• Russell's car too light

    From Woozy Song@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 29 13:22:26 2024
    In another forum, a zillion posters said because he did 1-stop that he
    wore a few kg extra rubber off the tyres. But then would not the tyres
    be unsafe in the final laps?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Woozy Song on Mon Jul 29 00:44:00 2024
    On 2024-07-28 22:22, Woozy Song wrote:
    In another forum, a zillion posters said because he did 1-stop that he
    wore a few kg extra rubber off the tyres. But then would not the tyres
    be unsafe in the final laps?

    Not necessarily.

    Pirelli will have given the teams so data on how many laps the tires can
    run safely; which is not to say quickly.

    It was a real shame.

    Russell made a very bold call, and did make it stick on the track.

    And if Spa had the traditional cool down lap, he could probably have
    picked up enough rubber to have made minimum weight.

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 29 22:36:41 2024
    On 29/07/2024 8:16 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 8:04 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 5:22 pm, Woozy Song wrote:
    In another forum, a zillion posters said because he did 1-stop that
    he wore a few kg extra rubber off the tyres. But then would not the
    tyres be unsafe in the final laps?

    The other forum is filled with clowns. It's nothing to do with the
    tyres, Merc have admitted it was their error. (Often a light car is
    ballasted up to weight and I dare say that this was done incorrectly.)

    Ehhh... I've just done some quick reading and Mark Hughes thinks it WAS
    the tyres (and lack of a cooldown lap to pickup marbles?). <shrug>
    Buggered if I know, I could have been wrong above. I remember the days
    when engineers always told the driver to be sure to get plenty of tyre
    pickup on the cooldown lap but haven't heard anything like that for ... decades?


    I hear it all the time .

    geoff

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Jul 29 22:35:43 2024
    On 29/07/2024 7:44 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-07-28 22:22, Woozy Song wrote:
    In another forum, a zillion posters said because he did 1-stop that he
    wore a few kg extra rubber off the tyres. But then would not the tyres
    be unsafe in the final laps?

    Not necessarily.

    Pirelli will have given the teams so data on how many laps the tires can
    run safely; which is not to say quickly.

    It was a real shame.

    Russell made a very bold call, and did make it stick on the track.

    And if Spa had the traditional cool down lap, he could probably have
    picked up enough rubber to have made minimum weight.


    Yes, he went pretty much straight in. But so did the others ...

    Not to suggest 1.5KG would have likely made a difference to HAM passing him.

    geoff

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Geoff on Mon Jul 29 08:13:57 2024
    On 2024-07-29 03:36, Geoff wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 8:16 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 8:04 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 5:22 pm, Woozy Song wrote:
    In another forum, a zillion posters said because he did 1-stop that
    he wore a few kg extra rubber off the tyres. But then would not the
    tyres be unsafe in the final laps?

    The other forum is filled with clowns. It's nothing to do with the
    tyres, Merc have admitted it was their error. (Often a light car is
    ballasted up to weight and I dare say that this was done incorrectly.)

    Ehhh... I've just done some quick reading and Mark Hughes thinks it
    WAS the tyres (and lack of a cooldown lap to pickup marbles?). <shrug>
    Buggered if I know, I could have been wrong above. I remember the days
    when engineers always told the driver to be sure to get plenty of tyre
    pickup on the cooldown lap but haven't heard anything like that for
    ... decades?


    I hear it all the time .

    geoff

    I don't recall hearing it much, but I certainly do SEE it on cars that
    come to the victory area.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Geoff on Mon Jul 29 08:14:33 2024
    On 2024-07-29 03:35, Geoff wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 7:44 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-07-28 22:22, Woozy Song wrote:
    In another forum, a zillion posters said because he did 1-stop that
    he wore a few kg extra rubber off the tyres. But then would not the
    tyres be unsafe in the final laps?

    Not necessarily.

    Pirelli will have given the teams so data on how many laps the tires
    can run safely; which is not to say quickly.

    It was a real shame.

    Russell made a very bold call, and did make it stick on the track.

    And if Spa had the traditional cool down lap, he could probably have
    picked up enough rubber to have made minimum weight.


    Yes, he went pretty much straight in. But so did the others ...

    And to be clear, I'm not excusing it because of this.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Geoff on Mon Jul 29 08:12:11 2024
    On 2024-07-29 03:35, Geoff wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 7:44 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-07-28 22:22, Woozy Song wrote:
    In another forum, a zillion posters said because he did 1-stop that
    he wore a few kg extra rubber off the tyres. But then would not the
    tyres be unsafe in the final laps?

    Not necessarily.

    Pirelli will have given the teams so data on how many laps the tires
    can run safely; which is not to say quickly.

    It was a real shame.

    Russell made a very bold call, and did make it stick on the track.

    And if Spa had the traditional cool down lap, he could probably have
    picked up enough rubber to have made minimum weight.


    Yes, he went pretty much straight in. But so did the others ...

    Not to suggest 1.5KG would have likely made a difference to HAM passing
    him.

    If his car was 1.5kg lighter when it was weighed, and he wasn't carrying
    a different amount of fuel than Hamilton, then at every fuel load, his
    car was lighter.

    Could 1.5kg over the entire race distance put him half a second ahead at
    the end? Yes.

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to Geoff on Wed Aug 7 01:40:15 2024
    Geoff <geoff@geoffwood.org> writes:
    On 29/07/2024 8:16 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 8:04 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 5:22 pm, Woozy Song wrote:
    In another forum, a zillion posters said because he did 1-stop
    that he wore a few kg extra rubber off the tyres. But then would
    not the tyres be unsafe in the final laps?

    The other forum is filled with clowns. It's nothing to do with the
    tyres, Merc have admitted it was their error. (Often a light car is
    ballasted up to weight and I dare say that this was done
    incorrectly.)

    Ehhh... I've just done some quick reading and Mark Hughes thinks it
    WAS the tyres (and lack of a cooldown lap to pickup
    marbles?). <shrug> Buggered if I know, I could have been wrong
    above. I remember the days when engineers always told the driver to
    be sure to get plenty of tyre pickup on the cooldown lap but haven't
    heard anything like that for ... decades?

    I hear it all the time .

    Not so much in the last few years, but from about a decade ago you would
    always get a euphemism for it in the post-race radio - silly fluffy
    words like "standard in-lap procedure". Yeah, you're not hiding anything
    from anyone using terms like that, in particular when Brundle is
    explaining it the second after it's aired.

    Phil
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