• Interlagos (may be a bit of a spoiler)

    From pP85PrR@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 3 16:39:33 2024
    What an F'd up weekend.

    I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
    weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
    Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

    As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion of abort/abandon.

    I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of
    a shitshow.

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 3 16:54:51 2024
    On 11/3/2024 4:39 PM, pP85PrR wrote:
    I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of
    a shitshow.

    At this writing there are seven issues still unresolved (summons issued
    but no finding on the FIA website): four "aborted start incident," two
    "tyre pressure checks," and one "dangerous driving."

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to PP85PRR on Mon Nov 4 08:56:00 2024
    I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
    weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
    Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

    Many years ago, when Michael Schummacher was driving and, IIRC, Fernando
    Alonso was young, they had a heck of a wet race at the same facility.

    I remember it because I believe they both crashed out.


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Geoff May on Mon Nov 4 10:49:03 2024
    On 2024-11-04 10:08, Geoff May wrote:
    On 03/11/2024 21:39, pP85PrR wrote:
    What an F'd up weekend.

    I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
    weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
    Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

    As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
    of abort/abandon.

    I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
    of a shitshow.

    Norris and Russell got fined for starting another lap instead of parking
    up at the aborted start.

    Mercedes got fined for the tyre pressure changes.

    Sainz got a reprimand because he removed the steering wheel and the
    marshals started preparing the car for removal. Sainz then reattached
    the steering wheel in preparation for driving off but the marshals were
    still sorting the car for removal.

    No one got penalties that change the results.
    And I think that's appropriate.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 4 17:30:09 2024
    On 2024-11-03 20:48, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:
    What an F'd up weekend.

    I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
    weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
    Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

    As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
    of abort/abandon.

    I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
    of a shitshow.

    I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most of
    the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres when
    it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous and a
    guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
    intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?

    The problem isn't that teams won't use the extreme wet.

    The problem is that we've gotten to the point where the technology of
    the cars combined with the extreme wet tires lets them work in
    conditions that throw up so much spray that the drivers really can't SEE.

    I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can be
    a challenge.

    Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
    just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme wet
    tires.

    I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
    changes during red flag periods during a race, though.

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  • From Woozy Song@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Tue Nov 5 16:33:33 2024
    Dumas Walker wrote:
    I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
    weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
    Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

    Many years ago, when Michael Schummacher was driving and, IIRC, Fernando Alonso was young, they had a heck of a wet race at the same facility.

    I remember it because I believe they both crashed out.


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    2003 was pretty bad, cars aquaplaning off left, right and centre. It was abandoned after 56 laps, and Jordan ended up winning.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 5 13:07:05 2024
    On 2024-11-05 12:51, a425couple wrote:
    On 11/4/24 17:30, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-11-03 20:48, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:
    What an F'd up weekend.

    I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
    weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe
    the Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

    As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary
    confusion of abort/abandon.

    I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be
    more of a shitshow.

    I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most
    of the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres
    when it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous
    and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
    intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?

    The problem isn't that teams won't use the extreme wet.

    The problem is that we've gotten to the point where the technology of
    the cars combined with the extreme wet tires lets them work in
    conditions that throw up so much spray that the drivers really can't SEE.

    I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can
    be a challenge.

    Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
    just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme wet
    tires.

    I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
    changes during red flag periods during a race, though.

    I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
    for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
    safety problem.
    And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
    turn workers.



    And that's coming from you...

    ...who I watched drive around at nearly walking pace in your sports
    racer after all your competitors had gone off track in heavy rain!

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 5 12:51:16 2024
    On 11/4/24 17:30, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-11-03 20:48, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:
    What an F'd up weekend.

    I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
    weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe
    the Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

    As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
    of abort/abandon.

    I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
    of a shitshow.

    I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most
    of the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres
    when it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous
    and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
    intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?

    The problem isn't that teams won't use the extreme wet.

    The problem is that we've gotten to the point where the technology of
    the cars combined with the extreme wet tires lets them work in
    conditions that throw up so much spray that the drivers really can't SEE.

    I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can be
    a challenge.

    Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
    just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme wet
    tires.

    I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
    changes during red flag periods during a race, though.

    I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
    for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
    safety problem.
    And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
    turn workers.

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