• Re: Jaguar used to be in F1. Anyone see it's new ad?

    From Geoff@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 23 23:48:06 2024
    XPost: rec.autos.sport.indycar

    On 23/11/2024 9:22 am, a425couple wrote:
    guar's new logo and branding

    Jaguar Rebrand Sparks Confusion, Angers Anti-‘Woke’ Critics

    2 days ago
    By Conor Murray

    Radical Jaguar rebrand and new logo sparks ire online

    2 days ago

    Phone brand Nothing teases Jaguar’s ‘Copy Nothing’ rebrand

    1 hour ago
    By Brandon Doerrer

    Hats off to Jaguar’s ‘inclusive’ new branding: now people of all backgrounds won’t buy its cars

    4 hours ago
    By Marina Hyde

    Lifelong Jaguar customer troubled by 'baffling' 'woke' rebrand: 'Going
    in a very sad direction'

    2 days ago
    By Kristine Parks

    Jaguar Rebrand Is Pink, Diverse and Doesn’t Feature Any Cars

    22 hours ago
    By Mengqi Sun

    GREG GUTFELD: Jaguar rebrand has everyone talking when they aren't
    actually puking

    14 hours ago
    By Greg Gutfeld

    Elon Musk and others pile on mocking luxury car brand’s ‘woke’ new ad: ‘Bud Light 2.0’

    2 days ago
    By Taylor Walters

    Jaguar Sees Rebranding Backlash After Rolling Out Divisive, Abstract New Campaign

    2 days ago
    By Stacey Ritzen


    The insecure lash out.

    --
    geoff

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Geoff on Sat Nov 23 11:14:10 2024
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one
    hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.


    Bob.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sat Nov 23 20:18:48 2024
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one
    hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

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  • From Woozy Song@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 25 09:51:47 2024
    XPost: rec.autos.sport.indycar

    a425couple wrote:
    guar's new logo and branding

    Jaguar Rebrand Sparks Confusion, Angers Anti-‘Woke’ Critics

    2 days ago
    By Conor Murray

    Radical Jaguar rebrand and new logo sparks ire online

    2 days ago

    Phone brand Nothing teases Jaguar’s ‘Copy Nothing’ rebrand

    1 hour ago
    By Brandon Doerrer

    Hats off to Jaguar’s ‘inclusive’ new branding: now people of all backgrounds won’t buy its cars


    I mostly see Jags at the golf club, driven by grey-haired men.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Woozy Song on Mon Nov 25 08:59:15 2024
    XPost: rec.autos.sport.indycar

    In article <vi0l7k$2fle3$1@dont-email.me>,
    Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
    a425couple wrote:
    guar's new logo and branding

    Jaguar Rebrand Sparks Confusion, Angers Anti-ÉWokeæ Critics

    2 days ago
    By Conor Murray

    Radical Jaguar rebrand and new logo sparks ire online

    2 days ago

    Phone brand Nothing teases Jaguaræs ÉCopy Nothingæ rebrand

    1 hour ago
    By Brandon Doerrer

    Hats off to Jaguaræs Éinclusiveæ new branding: now people of all backgrounds wonæt buy its cars


    I mostly see Jags at the golf club, driven by grey-haired men.

    True. They made cars that many men aspired to all their lives but
    were not able to afford until later in life.

    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 25 09:04:13 2024
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one
    hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to
    specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    Bob.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Mon Nov 25 08:48:58 2024
    On 2024-11-25 01:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one
    hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to
    specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    That's exactly what I thought...

    ...bigot.

    I don't know if this is a good choice or not for Jaguar.

    Personally, I don't think it's a very good ad for a car brand, but let's
    face head on who you are as a person.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 25 17:55:57 2024
    In article <vi2cme$2t2sk$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 09:32, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi29pq$2s83m$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 01:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one >>>>> hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to
    specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    That's exactly what I thought...

    ...bigot.


    Under the current circumstances where people who believe in
    reality as opposed to ideological nonsense and stupidity are
    called bigots I'm more than happy and proud to wear that badge.

    I'm sure all bigots are very happy to "wear that badge".

    And lefties adore little more than insulting their opponents it's
    always their first action. They do this because their various
    arguments are so weak that they're easily demolished by people like
    Douglas Murray who never fails to wipe the floor with them.

    Bob.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Mon Nov 25 09:38:22 2024
    On 2024-11-25 09:32, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi29pq$2s83m$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 01:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one
    hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to
    specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    That's exactly what I thought...

    ...bigot.


    Under the current circumstances where people who believe in reality
    as opposed to ideological nonsense and stupidity are called bigots
    I'm more than happy and proud to wear that badge.
    I'm sure all bigots are very happy to "wear that badge".

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 25 17:32:07 2024
    In article <vi29pq$2s83m$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 01:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one
    hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to
    specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    That's exactly what I thought...

    ...bigot.


    Under the current circumstances where people who believe in reality
    as opposed to ideological nonsense and stupidity are called bigots
    I'm more than happy and proud to wear that badge.

    Thank you.

    Bob.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Mon Nov 25 11:05:55 2024
    On 2024-11-25 09:55, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi2cme$2t2sk$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 09:32, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi29pq$2s83m$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 01:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one >>>>>>> hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to
    specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    That's exactly what I thought...

    ...bigot.


    Under the current circumstances where people who believe in
    reality as opposed to ideological nonsense and stupidity are
    called bigots I'm more than happy and proud to wear that badge.

    I'm sure all bigots are very happy to "wear that badge".

    And lefties adore little more than insulting their opponents it's
    always their first action. They do this because their various
    arguments are so weak that they're easily demolished by people like
    Douglas Murray who never fails to wipe the floor with them.
    You're a bigot, Bob.

    Plain and simple.

    Judging people because they are different than you is the very heart and
    soul of bigotry.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 25 19:48:59 2024
    In article <vi2hqj$2u6id$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 09:55, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi2cme$2t2sk$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 09:32, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi29pq$2s83m$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 01:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one >>>>>>> hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to
    specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    That's exactly what I thought...

    ...bigot.


    Under the current circumstances where people who believe in
    reality as opposed to ideological nonsense and stupidity are
    called bigots I'm more than happy and proud to wear that badge.

    I'm sure all bigots are very happy to "wear that badge".

    And lefties adore little more than insulting their opponents it's
    always their first action. They do this because their various
    arguments are so weak that they're easily demolished by people
    like Douglas Murray who never fails to wipe the floor with them.
    You're a bigot, Bob.

    Plain and simple.

    Judging people because they are different than you is the very
    heart and soul of bigotry.

    Sorry you don't understand my position.

    I'm not judging anyone and before you say it, I don't hate anyone
    either. I am however, judging current modern ideologies and religions
    which deny objective truth. I'm happy for anyone to live as they
    wish to live *provided* that lifestyle isn't to the detriment of
    other people's lives.

    My problem comes when I'm expected to say things and agree with
    things that are clearly nonsense. Or indeed when I hear people making
    these absurd claims especially when there are children around.

    Abandoning reality because it doesn't fit modern sensitivities is the
    heart and soul of stupidity. Objective truth will remain even if it's
    not sayable in "progressive" company.

    Bob.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Mon Nov 25 14:20:45 2024
    On 2024-11-25 11:48, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi2hqj$2u6id$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 09:55, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi2cme$2t2sk$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 09:32, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi29pq$2s83m$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 01:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one >>>>>>>>> hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to >>>>>>> specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    That's exactly what I thought...

    ...bigot.


    Under the current circumstances where people who believe in
    reality as opposed to ideological nonsense and stupidity are
    called bigots I'm more than happy and proud to wear that badge.

    I'm sure all bigots are very happy to "wear that badge".

    And lefties adore little more than insulting their opponents it's
    always their first action. They do this because their various
    arguments are so weak that they're easily demolished by people
    like Douglas Murray who never fails to wipe the floor with them.
    You're a bigot, Bob.

    Plain and simple.

    Judging people because they are different than you is the very
    heart and soul of bigotry.

    Sorry you don't understand my position.

    I'm not judging anyone and before you say it, I don't hate anyone
    either. I am however, judging current modern ideologies and religions
    which deny objective truth. I'm happy for anyone to live as they
    wish to live *provided* that lifestyle isn't to the detriment of
    other people's lives.

    My problem comes when I'm expected to say things and agree with
    things that are clearly nonsense. Or indeed when I hear people making
    these absurd claims especially when there are children around.

    Abandoning reality because it doesn't fit modern sensitivities is the
    heart and soul of stupidity. Objective truth will remain even if it's
    not sayable in "progressive" company.
    Who do you think you're fooling?

    Racists made EXACTLY the same argument about people whose skin was a
    different colour.

    They claimed it was "objective truth" that certain people were inferior.

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 26 14:12:46 2024
    On 26/11/2024 6:38 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 09:32, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi29pq$2s83m$1@dont-email.me>,
        Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 01:04, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhu9f8$1v2tv$2@dont-email.me>,
         Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-23 03:14, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vhsbt7$1m16a$1@dont-email.me>,
          Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    The insecure lash out.

    No.

    It's the divide between rationality and objective truth on the one >>>>>> hand against ideology and "feelings" on the other.
    Describe exactly what you mean.

    You know exactly what I'm saying but I'm not going to be drawn to
    specifics when 'free speech' can carry a prison sentence.

    That's exactly what I thought...

    ...bigot.


    Under the current circumstances where people who believe in reality
    as opposed to ideological nonsense and stupidity are called bigots
    I'm more than happy and proud to wear that badge.
    I'm sure all bigots are very happy to "wear that badge".

    And the cap.

    --
    geoff

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 26 09:02:25 2024
    In article <vi2t7t$31qci$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 11:48, Bob Latham wrote:

    Sorry you don't understand my position.

    I'm not judging anyone and before you say it, I don't hate anyone
    either. I am however, judging current modern ideologies and
    religions which deny objective truth. I'm happy for anyone to
    live as they wish to live *provided* that lifestyle isn't to the
    detriment of other people's lives.

    My problem comes when I'm expected to say things and agree with
    things that are clearly nonsense. Or indeed when I hear people
    making these absurd claims especially when there are children
    around.

    Abandoning reality because it doesn't fit modern sensitivities is
    the heart and soul of stupidity. Objective truth will remain even
    if it's not sayable in "progressive" company.


    Who do you think you're fooling?

    I don't need to make a fool of you......

    Racists made EXACTLY the same argument about people whose skin was
    a different colour.

    They claimed it was "objective truth" that certain people were
    inferior.

    Did "they"? Well I can't speak for others but I've not gone there or
    anywhere near it.

    But you raise an obvious diversion from the argument, clearly you
    know your position is weak.

    The truth is you believe in progressive, finger wagging crap and I
    don't. I believe in immutable biological sex. The fact based belief
    that the whole world believed a few short decades ago and the vast
    majority of it still does.

    It's only a handful of activists in the spoilt decadent west that
    have such a privileged lifestyles they can afford to engage with this ideological clap-trap. They then force their nonsense on others with
    the racists or bigots, climate deniers, claims or whatever the
    current insult.

    It looks like most of the USA now don't care for leftist nonsense any
    longer, Trump victory is overwhelming, thank God.

    Like him I have seen no evidence of a climate crisis or any tangible
    basis for reparations either. More leftists crap.

    I see no point in further argument with you, clearly your argument is
    entirely ideological. You seem to think having "nice views" and
    "feelings" is paramount regardless of the need to deny objective
    truth and reality itself to hold them. Good luck with that.

    So call me names by all means, happy for you. :-)

    Bye.

    Bob.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 22 12:22:47 2024
    XPost: rec.autos.sport.indycar

    guar's new logo and branding

    Jaguar Rebrand Sparks Confusion, Angers Anti-‘Woke’ Critics

    2 days ago
    By Conor Murray

    Radical Jaguar rebrand and new logo sparks ire online

    2 days ago

    Phone brand Nothing teases Jaguar’s ‘Copy Nothing’ rebrand

    1 hour ago
    By Brandon Doerrer

    Hats off to Jaguar’s ‘inclusive’ new branding: now people of all backgrounds won’t buy its cars

    4 hours ago
    By Marina Hyde

    Lifelong Jaguar customer troubled by 'baffling' 'woke' rebrand: 'Going
    in a very sad direction'

    2 days ago
    By Kristine Parks

    Jaguar Rebrand Is Pink, Diverse and Doesn’t Feature Any Cars

    22 hours ago
    By Mengqi Sun

    GREG GUTFELD: Jaguar rebrand has everyone talking when they aren't
    actually puking

    14 hours ago
    By Greg Gutfeld

    Elon Musk and others pile on mocking luxury car brand’s ‘woke’ new ad: ‘Bud Light 2.0’

    2 days ago
    By Taylor Walters

    Jaguar Sees Rebranding Backlash After Rolling Out Divisive, Abstract New Campaign

    2 days ago
    By Stacey Ritzen

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Tue Nov 26 14:23:14 2024
    On 2024-11-26 01:02, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi2t7t$31qci$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 11:48, Bob Latham wrote:

    Sorry you don't understand my position.

    I'm not judging anyone and before you say it, I don't hate anyone
    either. I am however, judging current modern ideologies and
    religions which deny objective truth. I'm happy for anyone to
    live as they wish to live *provided* that lifestyle isn't to the
    detriment of other people's lives.

    My problem comes when I'm expected to say things and agree with
    things that are clearly nonsense. Or indeed when I hear people
    making these absurd claims especially when there are children
    around.

    Abandoning reality because it doesn't fit modern sensitivities is
    the heart and soul of stupidity. Objective truth will remain even
    if it's not sayable in "progressive" company.


    Who do you think you're fooling?

    I don't need to make a fool of you......

    Racists made EXACTLY the same argument about people whose skin was
    a different colour.

    They claimed it was "objective truth" that certain people were
    inferior.

    Did "they"? Well I can't speak for others but I've not gone there or anywhere near it.

    That is EXACTLY where you go.


    But you raise an obvious diversion from the argument, clearly you
    know your position is weak.

    The truth is you believe in progressive, finger wagging crap and I
    don't. I believe in immutable biological sex. The fact based belief
    that the whole world believed a few short decades ago and the vast
    majority of it still does.

    You do, huh?

    Then you don't understand biology to begin with.

    And there was a time when the "vast majority" of people thought the
    world was flat.


    It's only a handful of activists in the spoilt decadent west that
    have such a privileged lifestyles they can afford to engage with this ideological clap-trap. They then force their nonsense on others with
    the racists or bigots, climate deniers, claims or whatever the
    current insult.

    It looks like most of the USA now don't care for leftist nonsense any
    longer, Trump victory is overwhelming, thank God.

    1. It was NOT "overwhelming": it was one of the smallest margins of
    victory (if it proves to truly BE a margin) in quite a while.


    Like him I have seen no evidence of a climate crisis or any tangible
    basis for reparations either. More leftists crap.

    Really?

    Arctic sea ice minimum extent is going down and down. So is the Antarctic:

    https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today/sea-ice-tools/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph

    Glaciers have receded tremendously:

    <https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/glaciersoverview.htm>

    Those are undeniable facts.

    The "reparations" crack is interesting, though.

    You bringing up race seems like maybe it is one your mind.


    I see no point in further argument with you, clearly your argument is entirely ideological. You seem to think having "nice views" and
    "feelings" is paramount regardless of the need to deny objective
    truth and reality itself to hold them. Good luck with that.

    I think that what other people feel about themselves is none of my
    business and not a problem of any kind. I don't think they're any more
    (or any less) dangerous to others than any other people; except that the
    pain they're caused by your kind might make them lash out.

    OTOH, you hate them because they don't think and feel as you do.

    In an earlier age, yeah: you'd absolutely have been a racist, too (if
    you're not one right now).

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 27 09:56:50 2024
    In article <vi5hoi$3jtcs$8@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-26 01:02, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi2t7t$31qci$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-11-25 11:48, Bob Latham wrote:

    Sorry you don't understand my position.

    I'm not judging anyone and before you say it, I don't hate anyone
    either. I am however, judging current modern ideologies and
    religions which deny objective truth. I'm happy for anyone to
    live as they wish to live *provided* that lifestyle isn't to the
    detriment of other people's lives.

    My problem comes when I'm expected to say things and agree with
    things that are clearly nonsense. Or indeed when I hear people
    making these absurd claims especially when there are children
    around.

    Abandoning reality because it doesn't fit modern sensitivities is
    the heart and soul of stupidity. Objective truth will remain even
    if it's not sayable in "progressive" company.


    Who do you think you're fooling?

    I don't need to make a fool of you......

    Racists made EXACTLY the same argument about people whose skin was
    a different colour.

    They claimed it was "objective truth" that certain people were
    inferior.

    Did "they"? Well I can't speak for others but I've not gone
    there or anywhere near it.

    That is EXACTLY where you go.

    So you can show evidence of me saying that black people are inferior?

    No you can't because I've never thought that let alone said it, so
    that makes you a liar.

    It's just another case of you have no sensible arguments so you
    insult.


    But you raise an obvious diversion from the argument, clearly you
    know your position is weak.

    The truth is you believe in progressive, finger wagging crap and I
    don't. I believe in immutable biological sex. The fact based belief
    that the whole world believed a few short decades ago and the vast
    majority of it still does.

    You do, huh?

    Then you don't understand biology to begin with.

    [Snip leftists nonsense]

    You choose to ignore rationality and reality and even the evidence of
    your own eyes so that you can be a member of a modern religion and
    cult. You swallow all the crap the leftist lying media throw at you
    with alacrity.

    You cannot change sex, it is unhinged to claim otherwise.

    For the record, The earth's temperature is determined by 3 major
    factors; TSI, Atmospheric pressure and cloud albedo. Any effect by
    atmosphere gases if it exists at all is trivial in the extreme, It's
    doubtful if their effect is even measurable.

    Short term ocean temperature rises which lead to atmosphere warming
    and increased moisture come from hundreds of under sea volcanos.

    Did you know the highest 5 temperatures every recorded in Australia
    were all before 1912 ?

    Have you seen the (untampered) temperature records for the USA in the
    1930s? Far hotter and far longer heat waves than at any time since.
    I'm looking at a graph from the EPA United States Environmental
    Protection Agency. Massive difference in heat and duration. You think
    it's hot now? You've not done your homework mate.


    June 29th 1901 New York, newspaper headlines...
    Temperature 98 to 106 in the shade - many dead and prostrated.

    July 1st 1901. The city a furnace and virtually deserted.

    July 2nd, 87 dead and 178 prostrations.

    July 3rd 1901 heat brings death to over 200 people.

    July 4th 1901 200 more dead before rain falls.

    In Italy in 1901, vineyards in entire districts have been shrivelled
    up and ruined to the very roots as though set on fire.

    1911 Another heatwave killed thousands in New England, people
    committed suicide to escape the heat. In Paris more than 40,000
    people died in the heatwave of 1911.

    Yes, it does say 40,000 dead in Paris from a heatwave in 1911,
    Imagine what the BBC would say about that if anything like it
    happened today. They would have predicted the end of the world and
    they would have been wrong.

    These newspaper clippings are all on line for you to see, do research
    and stop listening to the corrupt media.

    CO2 = 0.04% of the atmosphere.
    96% of that is natural and nothing to do with man.
    1% of the remains is UK produced.

    UK going netzero will:
    Not reduce the rate of CO2 climb at all.
    Will not effect the climate or weather.
    Will not convince China India, etc. to go netzero, they have real
    issues to deal with.
    All it will do is make Britain poor and cold. People who advocate
    this crap are dangerous, ignorant fools. It will cost lives.

    See this excellent video spelling out realities about the world and
    climate change, netzero, watch and learn. It's a rational argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJdqJu-6ZPo

    Global boiling my arse, you're being lied to, successfully. I realise
    I'm wasting my time, you cannot reason someone out of a brainwashed
    state. You have my condolences.

    You can now have the last word I'm out.






    Bob.

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Thu Nov 28 12:42:50 2024
    On 26/11/2024 10:02 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi2t7t$31qci$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    It looks like most of the USA now don't care for leftist nonsense any
    longer, Trump victory is overwhelming, thank God.

    Like him I have seen no evidence of a climate crisis or any tangible
    basis for reparations either. More leftists crap.
    'Like him', I'm so relieved that you have a better understanding of
    climate science than the vast vast majority (as in all but a tiny few
    with wacky alternative agendas) of those who have spent their academic
    and professional lives studying that sort of thing.

    --
    geoff

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Geoff on Thu Nov 28 09:27:28 2024
    In article <vi8apq$7dhr$1@dont-email.me>,
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 26/11/2024 10:02 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <vi2t7t$31qci$1@dont-email.me>,
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    It looks like most of the USA now don't care for leftist nonsense
    any longer, Trump victory is overwhelming, thank God.

    Like him I have seen no evidence of a climate crisis or any
    tangible basis for reparations either. More leftists crap.

    'Like him', I'm so relieved that you have a better understanding of
    climate science than the vast vast majority (as in all but a tiny
    few with wacky alternative agendas) of those who have spent their
    academic and professional lives studying that sort of thing.

    Oh, the consensus argument, that old chestnut!

    So the recent document by over 1000 scientists many of them household
    names, plenty of people who know their stuff like Will Happer,
    Richard Lindzen, John Clauser, Willie Soon, Ivar Giaever, Bill
    kininmonth and there are over a thousand more who say there is no
    climate emergency.
    I'll go with them, thanks.

    Of course the woke, leftist media do not publicize their work and
    documents because they are willful liars with a political agenda.

    Plus, it's obvious that people will agree with the hand that feeds
    them. If the ipcc etc. were to say the truth, ie. we can find nothing
    to worry about with regard to CO2 and the climate then those people
    would all be looking for a job the next day, so what are they going
    to say?

    Science is never about consensus, just about every scientific
    discovery comes from 1 or 2 people, not a consensus.

    It matters not how many scientists say they agree or how great their
    names are. The acid test is 'do their predictions come true'? Every
    single climate prediction that has ever been made has failed
    miserably to materialize. The poles should have melted by 2014
    according to Al Gore 2007.

    In 2009 our King said we only had 96 months save the world.

    About 6 years ago saint Greta claimed we would be doomed by some
    recent date, can't remember, it came it passed, nothing happened.
    She's since deleted that post.

    The list of failed doomsday predictions goes on and on. They don't
    worry about their failures they just make another absurd prediction.
    The media report the latest predictions with glea but never mention
    the failures. They're corrupt.

    The Climate agenda has nothing to do with climate. If it had, then
    the delegates for conferences would not fly in private jets and would
    use video conferencing, we have that technology. If it had, rich
    people would not be investing in Pacific islands that are predicted
    to disappear under the ocean imminently but they build hotels and
    runways just above sea level.

    Obama buys luxury property at Martha's Vineyard which is at sea level
    isn't it, obvious he's worried.

    No, It's about money and control of YOU!

    Seriously, if you're interested in the science truth then this video
    is about as close as you can get. Very educational long and detailed,
    even talks about SDI, a brilliant watch. If you've not seen it you
    need to.

    Will Happer:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA8elCE75ns


    Bob.

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