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  • Re: Ricciardo out Lawson in as of now.

    From Geoff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 27 14:22:09 2024
    On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

    Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and keep
    the ride for 2025.

    --
    geoff

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  • From Yazoo@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 14:41:10 2024
    On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 09:09:13 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    ...

    As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.

    Yes, I agree.

    But, Riciardo is one of only three drivers from RB academy who
    actually had success in F1 (podiums and victories). Other two are
    Vettel and Verstappen.

    So, Dani is not only great person, but great driver too. He deserved a
    little bit more respect from RB. What will this mid season change
    bring to RB? Nothing!


    (and I was never RB supporter, but I respect good teams and drivers)
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    It's better to be judged by twelwe than carried by six.

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  • From Yazoo@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 15:11:50 2024
    On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 13:03:28 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    ...

    I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
    this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them
    identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
    can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood.
    What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
    to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
    to give another driver a chance.

    I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
    have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
    others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing >reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.

    Yes, he can hold his head up high! He deserved it!

    I can understand the team long term strategy, but a bit of finesse in
    change would be nice.
    This is business, I know.


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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Oct 4 11:39:43 2024
    On 3/10/2024 10:09 pm, Mark wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
    On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

    Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
    keep the ride for 2025.

    Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
    chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

    New blood good.

    Phil

    You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

    Most seem to think he did pretty well.

    I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
    *don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
    may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
    medium-long term rather than short-term.

    As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.

    So it should be applied to all drivers in the field, who haven't done as
    well as Lawson did in the first ever 5 races ?

    A bit harsh.

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    geoff

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to Yazoo on Fri Oct 4 10:39:40 2024
    Yazoo <yazoo@myself.com> writes:
    On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 13:03:28 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    ...

    I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
    this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them >>identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
    can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood. >>What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
    to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
    to give another driver a chance.

    I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
    have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
    others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing >>reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.

    Yes, he can hold his head up high! He deserved it!

    Absolutely. He's been one of the best contributors of both skill and
    character to the forumula on my living memory, one of my favourites.
    But it's best to keep things that way and not have a long drawn-out
    fall from grace. And I think the last couple of years has been part of
    that fall already. Stop it now.

    I can understand the team long term strategy, but a bit of finesse in
    change would be nice.
    This is business, I know.

    Strange business, for sure. Their inexplicable decisions don't end at
    Dani Ric. The elephant in the room is surely 2 more years of Perez. Who
    I also think is a great driver, but probably better as the driver to
    learn from in the lower team rather than someone whose day job is
    bringing in double-digit points every race weekend. At the moment he's
    the driver who has cost Red Bull the constructor's championship. 6 good
    races does not a winning season make.

    Phil
    --
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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to Geoff on Fri Oct 4 10:27:49 2024
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
    On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
    On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

    Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
    keep the ride for 2025.

    Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
    chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

    New blood good.

    You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

    Most seem to think he did pretty well.

    "did"

    If you don't understand the concept of either tenses or time,
    we can have no serious discussion.

    If you do, then work the fucking rest out yourself.

    Phil
    --
    We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Oct 11 12:36:19 2024
    On 10/10/2024 5:16 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Geoff wrote:

    On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
    On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

    Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
    keep the ride for 2025.

    Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
    chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

    New blood good.

    Phil

    You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

    Most seem to think he did pretty well.

    Late to the discussion BUT...

    Are you both talking about the same driver?

    I think (hope) Phil is talking about RIC. I was/am talking about LAW,
    which should be pretty clear.

    --
    geoff

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Phil Carmody on Sat Oct 5 12:02:24 2024
    On 4/10/2024 8:27 pm, Phil Carmody wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
    On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
    On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

    Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
    keep the ride for 2025.

    Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
    chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

    New blood good.

    You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

    Most seem to think he did pretty well.

    "did"

    If you don't understand the concept of either tenses or time,
    we can have no serious discussion.

    If you do, then work the fucking rest out yourself.

    Phil

    Seems you are referring to LAW, who this thread is primarily about. But
    not very clear who you are writing about because if LAW your responses
    are irrational and harsh as he has done better than many other drivers
    in the field

    If you are in fact referring to RIC, then sad but agreed.
    --
    geoff

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