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Yazoo <yazoo@myself.com> writes:
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 13:03:28 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them
identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood. >>> What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
to give another driver a chance.
I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing
reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.
Yes, he can hold his head up high! He deserved it!
Absolutely. He's been one of the best contributors of both skill and character to the forumula on my living memory, one of my favourites.
But it's best to keep things that way and not have a long drawn-out
fall from grace. And I think the last couple of years has been part of
that fall already. Stop it now.
I can understand the team long term strategy, but a bit of finesse in
change would be nice.
This is business, I know.
Strange business, for sure. Their inexplicable decisions don't end at
Dani Ric. The elephant in the room is surely 2 more years of Perez. Who
I also think is a great driver, but probably better as the driver to
learn from in the lower team rather than someone whose day job is
bringing in double-digit points every race weekend. At the moment he's
the driver who has cost Red Bull the constructor's championship. 6 good
races does not a winning season make.
Phil
On 3/10/2024 10:09 pm, Mark wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.
Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.
New blood good.
Phil
You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?
Most seem to think he did pretty well.
I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
*don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
medium-long term rather than short-term.
As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.
So it should be applied to all drivers in the field, who haven't done
as well as Lawson did in the first ever 5 races ?
A bit harsh.
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 3/10/2024 10:09 pm, Mark wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and >>>>>> keep the ride for 2025.
Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.
New blood good.
Phil
You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?
Most seem to think he did pretty well.
I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
*don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
medium-long term rather than short-term.
As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.
So it should be applied to all drivers in the field, who haven't done
as well as Lawson did in the first ever 5 races ?
A bit harsh.
Straw man.
Phil
On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.
Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.
New blood good.
Phil
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.
I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them
identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood.
What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
to give another driver a chance.
I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing >reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.
Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.
New blood good.
Phil
You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?
Most seem to think he did pretty well.
I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
*don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
medium-long term rather than short-term.
As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 13:03:28 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them >>identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood. >>What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
to give another driver a chance.
I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing >>reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.
Yes, he can hold his head up high! He deserved it!
I can understand the team long term strategy, but a bit of finesse in
change would be nice.
This is business, I know.
On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.
Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.
New blood good.
You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?
Most seem to think he did pretty well.
Geoff wrote:
On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.
Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.
New blood good.
Phil
You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?
Most seem to think he did pretty well.
Late to the discussion BUT...
Are you both talking about the same driver?
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.
Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.
New blood good.
You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?
Most seem to think he did pretty well.
"did"
If you don't understand the concept of either tenses or time,
we can have no serious discussion.
If you do, then work the fucking rest out yourself.
Phil