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Or, did Apple just copy what others already pioneered?
Some might say earbuds but Apple was fourth in line to release them.
Others may say BT trackers, but Apple was 8 years behind the Dash. <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=18907&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18907>
Others may say ARM technology or CPUs, but there are so many companies who pioneered CPUs before Apple even existed, that argument is patently absurd.
This is not a question of which is better but a question of who was first.
As asking "which is better" is a completely different question
This question is to find out the answer whether Apple has ever truly pioneered any high tech in the past decade. On the iPhone or on the Mac.
And no, buying ARM technology to release those laughably permanently flawed "Apple Silicon" chips is not pioneering of ARM technology in any way.
This question is an important question because it deals in fact.
Not in marketing.
Most people on these newsgroups know absolutely nothing about Apple
products, but I'm hoping someone (anyone) here knows something about them.
Has Apple pioneered *any* useful high technology in the past decade?
If so, what?
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Or, did Apple just copy what others already pioneered?
Some might say earbuds but Apple was fourth in line to release them.
Others may say BT trackers, but Apple was 8 years behind the Dash.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=18907&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18907>
Others may say ARM technology or CPUs, but there are so many companies who >> pioneered CPUs before Apple even existed, that argument is patently absurd. >>
This is not a question of which is better but a question of who was first. >>
As asking "which is better" is a completely different question
This question is to find out the answer whether Apple has ever truly
pioneered any high tech in the past decade. On the iPhone or on the Mac.
And no, buying ARM technology to release those laughably permanently flawed >> "Apple Silicon" chips is not pioneering of ARM technology in any way.
This question is an important question because it deals in fact.
Not in marketing.
Most people on these newsgroups know absolutely nothing about Apple
products, but I'm hoping someone (anyone) here knows something about them. >>
Has Apple pioneered *any* useful high technology in the past decade?
If so, what?
Dynamic Island?
Or, did Apple just copy what others already pioneered?
Some might say earbuds but Apple was fourth in line to release them.
Others may say BT trackers, but Apple was 8 years behind the Dash. <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=18907&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18907>
Others may say ARM technology or CPUs, but there are so many companies who pioneered CPUs before Apple even existed, that argument is patently absurd.
This is not a question of which is better but a question of who was first.
Marion <marion@facts.com> writes:
Or, did Apple just copy what others already pioneered?
Some might say earbuds but Apple was fourth in line to release them.
Others may say BT trackers, but Apple was 8 years behind the Dash.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=18907&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18907>
Others may say ARM technology or CPUs, but there are so many companies who >> pioneered CPUs before Apple even existed, that argument is patently absurd.
Apple has a long history with ARM, going back to the Newton.
This is not a question of which is better but a question of who was first.
I think that Apple has innovated over the years, but I'm not keeping
track of it. I like macOS and find it to be a comfortable place to work
in. It offers support for many mainstream apps, as well as being UNIX.
To be honest, your question just seems like a lead-up to some kind of
pissing contest, and that's quite boring.
Has Apple pioneered *any* useful high technology in the past decade?
If so, what?
Dynamic Island?
Has Apple pioneered *any* useful high technology in the past decade?
If so, what?
Siri? Don't recall any similar product before that.
On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:39:37 -0500, Rick wrote :
Has Apple pioneered *any* useful high technology in the past decade?
If so, what?
Siri? Don't recall any similar product before that.
Hi Rick,
Thank you for hazarding a guess for what useful "high technology" Apple has released within the past decade that nobody else already released prior.
Good choice. Perhaps you may be right with Siri voice assistant technology.
I have to check the facts since people tend to only know what's marketed.
Bear in mind that, even though I have plenty of Apple devices, I don't use Siri voice assistant myself; but I volunteer in town where I've shown the elderly & handicapped how to use Siri to access 1.800.chat.gpt so I'm familiar with it. On Android, I don't use the "hey google" stuff either,
nor would I use Alexa or Bixby or Cortana (for obvious privacy reasons).
But that's just me (because I care about privacy).
Certainly there is a place for voice assistant technology; hence, please allow me to research who came up with voice assistant technology first.
Running a search, these seem to be the 8 common voice assistants out there. a. Amazon: Alexa b. Apple: Siri (officially rebranded as "Apple
Intelligence" in iOS 18)
c. Bidu: DuerOS
d. Google: Google Assistant
e. Microsoft: Cortana
f. Samsung: Bixby
g. Xiaomi: XiaoAI
h. Yandex Alice
Let's look up the history & then sort by general purpose release date:
1. Siri February 2010 (app release), October 4, 2011 (with iPhone 4S) 2. Cortana was released on April 2, 2014 for Windows Phone 8.1.
3. Alexa Nov 6, 2014 (limited release), June 23, 2015 (general release)
4. Bixby was released for Samsung phones on April 21, 2017
5. Xiaomi XiaoAI: July 2017
6. Baidu DuerOS: July 2017
7. Yandex Alice: October 10, 2017 8. Google Assistant May 2018 (wide availability on Android and iOS)
With that research performed, you are indeed correct, in my opinion, that Siri voice assistant technology was indeed first in the field (and maybe
even the best but which is better was never part of this question).
Looking up Siri's history, Siri was initially released as a standalone app for iOS in February 2010. However, Siri's official debut as an integral
part of the iOS platform happened with the launch of the iPhone 4S on
October 4, 2011. Then Apple rebranded Siri in 2024 as "Apple Intelligence".
So, Siri was indeed first in this technology for the general public.
By the way, as a humorous aside, using the logic of Alan Browne who argued that the venerable 3.5mm AUX jack was working for over a hundred years so Apple had to [courageously] remove it simply because it has worked for so long,
bear in mind that the "IBM Shoebox" was demonstrated in 1961 as a voice-activated calculator that could recognize 16 spoken words and digits. Same goes for Audrey (1952), which was developed by Bell Labs to recognize digits 0-9 spoken by a designated speaker. This was a significant step towards practical voice recognition.
Then there was Harpy (1971), which was Developed at Carnegie Mellon University where Harpy could understand spoken sentences with a vocabulary
of over 1,000 words. It was a major advancement in speech understanding research.
Yet, they paled in comparison to what Siri, Alexa & Google Assistant do for the common man, so I think we have a winner with Siri - although - note the time span is *more* than a decade ago, so the main question remains as:
Q: In the past decade, has Apple released ANY high-technology product
before others did?
A: Nobody has yet to find anything - but certainly Siri was first.
Alan wrote:
If it were, the Systems Settings entry for it Siri would not be
"Apple Intelligence & Siri".
Only for iPhone 15 and above. My iPhone 14 still says Siri.
If it were, the Systems Settings entry for it Siri would not be
"Apple Intelligence & Siri".
Only for iPhone 15 and above. My iPhone 14 still says Siri.
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the
power switch.
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the
power switch.
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
On 2025-02-04 19:45:54 +0000, Bud Frede said:
Marion <marion@facts.com> writes:
Or, did Apple just copy what others already pioneered?track of it. I like macOS and find it to be a comfortable place to work
Some might say earbuds but Apple was fourth in line to release
them.
Others may say BT trackers, but Apple was 8 years behind the Dash.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=18907&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18907>
Others may say ARM technology or CPUs, but there are so many
companies who
pioneered CPUs before Apple even existed, that argument is patently absurd. >> Apple has a long history with ARM, going back to the Newton.
This is not a question of which is better but a question of who was first. >> I think that Apple has innovated over the years, but I'm not keeping
in. It offers support for many mainstream apps, as well as being UNIX.
To be honest, your question just seems like a lead-up to some kind
of
pissing contest, and that's quite boring.
Plus, being "first" is usually not the best anyway. Apple tends to
wait and then release a product that is far better designed (power
button on the bottom of the new Mac Mini being one of their mis-steps)
and actually works properly ... and then the lazy companies like
If you want to pick on a company that hasn't done anything for the
tech industry, the Microsoft is a much better target. Everything they
do is abysmally bad copies of someone else's work, usually bought up
or stolen. They have never "innovated" anything in their entire
existence ... other than perhaps the biggest mass con in getting
management fools to buy into Windows.
On 2025-03-20 13:23:41 +0000, Bud Frede said:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> writes:
On 2025-02-26 09:37, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the >>>>> power switch.
to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
Yeah... ...I really don't get this gripe.
I leave my computer on at all times. Why on earth would I want to wait
for it to start up when I want to use it?
Modern Macs start up quite fast. That's not an issue for me.
I also don't like leaving things on when I don't have to.
It seems that my usage habits are different than yours, and that's
ok. :-)
To some degree it seems to be partly a generational thing.
The younger, wasteful and impatient generation can't be bothered turning things off and on.
The older generation was brought up to turn things off to save
electricity and money. In these days of so many electronic gadgets and gizmos, electricity companies are nearly always complaining about never having enough power to meet demand, so simply turning off things you're
not using makes sense.
On 2025-03-20 13:18:36 +0000, Bud Frede said:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the
power switch.
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
I turn off my computers when I'm not using them.
Me too.
The way I have my computers arranged, it would be difficult to reach a
power button on the bottom of the Mini.
There is a hub device you can buy which sits underneath the new Mac Mini
and has a notch cutout to make accessing the Mac Mini's powerbutton
easier. That is an extra expesnse, but given the sheer lack of ports on
Apple devices these days, many users will probably need a hub of some sort.
(Too bad power buttons on the keyboard don't seem to be a thing anymore.)
Yep. That was very useful for powering up my old PowerMac G3.
I know it's nit-picking, but I just prefer the older, larger Mini case
format over the new, small one. :-)
There was no real reason or need for Apple to make is smaller.
Although the new model has a smaller footprint, it is taller, so that
means it would not fit under my screen like the old one does. At best I
would either have to raise the screen or put a new Mac Mini on its side between the screen and the printer ... that would make accessing the ridiculously placed power button easier.
There is the bonus of the two ports on the front of the new model, just
a pity neither is USB-A for easily plugging in a USB stick.
Thankfully I don't need to upgrade anyway since this old Mac Mini still
works perfectly well.
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the
power switch.
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
On 2025-02-26 09:37, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the
power switch.
to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
Yeah... ...I really don't get this gripe.
I leave my computer on at all times. Why on earth would I want to wait
for it to start up when I want to use it?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> writes:
On 2025-02-26 09:37, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the
power switch.
to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
Yeah... ...I really don't get this gripe.
I leave my computer on at all times. Why on earth would I want to wait
for it to start up when I want to use it?
Modern Macs start up quite fast. That's not an issue for me.
I also don't like leaving things on when I don't have to.
It seems that my usage habits are different than yours, and that's
ok. :-)
On 2025-03-20 06:23, Bud Frede wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> writes:
On 2025-02-26 09:37, Jolly Roger wrote:Modern Macs start up quite fast. That's not an issue for me.
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the >>>>> power switch.
to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
Yeah... ...I really don't get this gripe.
I leave my computer on at all times. Why on earth would I want to wait
for it to start up when I want to use it?
I also don't like leaving things on when I don't have to.
It seems that my usage habits are different than yours, and that's
ok. :-)
Of course it's "ok"...
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> writes:
On 2025-02-26 09:37, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the
power switch.
to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
Yeah... ...I really don't get this gripe.
I leave my computer on at all times. Why on earth would I want to wait
for it to start up when I want to use it?
Modern Macs start up quite fast. That's not an issue for me.
I also don't like leaving things on when I don't have to.
It seems that my usage habits are different than yours, and that's
ok. :-)
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:
On 2025-02-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
I don't really like the size of the M4 Minis nor the location of the
power switch.
Meh. I rarely need to press the power switch, and it's easy enough to
reach. Not a deal breaker at all.
I turn off my computers when I'm not using them.
The way I have my computers arranged, it would be difficult to reach a
power button on the bottom of the Mini.
(Too bad power buttons on the keyboard don't seem to be a thing anymore.)
I know it's nit-picking, but I just prefer the older, larger Mini case
format over the new, small one. :-)