• Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key diffe

    From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Sep 23 15:53:53 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 23.09.24 05:10, Andrew wrote:
    How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-enable-rcs-messaging-on-iphone-to-text-android-users-3482571/#2

    Fundamentally iMessage is an internet-based service that delivers your messages via Apple's servers which means it doesn't work most of the time unless you have all the myriad requirements (and which is why most of the world shuns Apple devices as only working in the richest countries).

    RCS, on the other hand, is a carrier-based service and works everywhere the carrier supports it (without needing the net just to do anything useful).

    In other words, if you want it to work, don't use the Apple walled garden.

    Worse, the article explains that Apple (again!) murdered privacy, saying:
    "Apple warns that user identifiers are exchanged for your carrier
    and their partners to authenticate your device and provide a
    connection for RCS messaging. "These identifiers could include
    but are not limited to your IMEI, IMSI, current IP address,
    and phone number. Your current IP address might also be shared
    with other RCS users," the company notes."

    Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
    iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all encryptions or even doesn't have any.

    *LOL*


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 23 12:48:40 2024
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    On 2024-09-23 06:53, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 23.09.24 05:10, Andrew wrote:
    How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18
    https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-enable-rcs-messaging-on-iphone-to-text-android-users-3482571/#2

    Fundamentally iMessage is an internet-based service that delivers your
    messages via Apple's servers which means it doesn't work most of the time
    unless you have all the myriad requirements (and which is why most of the
    world shuns Apple devices as only working in the richest countries).

    RCS, on the other hand, is a carrier-based service and works everywhere the >> carrier supports it (without needing the net just to do anything useful).

    In other words, if you want it to work, don't use the Apple walled garden. >>
    Worse, the article explains that Apple (again!) murdered privacy, saying:
    "Apple warns that user identifiers are exchanged for your carrier
    and their partners to authenticate your device and provide a
    connection for RCS messaging. "These identifiers could include
    but are not limited to your IMEI, IMSI, current IP address,
    and phone number. Your current IP address might also be shared
    with other RCS users," the company notes."

    Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
    iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all encryptions or even doesn't have any.

    *LOL*



    And carrier services will not suffice.

    RCS REQUIRES internet access.

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 23 16:15:11 2024
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    Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
    iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all encryptions or even doesn't have any.

    A message going through Apple's system has ten times the requirements of
    that same message going through just the carrier's services.

    For one, it requires an account on Apple's servers, which nobody on Android would need - and which is used by Apple to provide others with your data.

    Apple reports every year how many people they ratted out for example
    because of those additional overhead accounts above carrier services.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Sten deJoode on Mon Sep 23 17:28:32 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-09-23 13:15, Sten deJoode wrote:

    Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
    iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another
    messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all
    encryptions or even doesn't have any.

    A message going through Apple's system has ten times the requirements of
    that same message going through just the carrier's services.

    For one, it requires an account on Apple's servers, which nobody on Android would need - and which is used by Apple to provide others with your data.

    Give a single example of Apple providing user data to others.


    Apple reports every year how many people they ratted out for example
    because of those additional overhead accounts above carrier services.

    Any messaging service requires you to have an account, doofus.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Sep 23 18:50:01 2024
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    On 2024-09-23 18:38, Ant wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.system Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    ...
    And carrier services will not suffice.

    RCS REQUIRES internet access.

    Like Apple's iMessage.

    TANSTAAFL

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Sep 24 01:38:22 2024
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    In comp.sys.mac.system Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    ...
    And carrier services will not suffice.

    RCS REQUIRES internet access.

    Like Apple's iMessage.
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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Sep 24 02:46:40 2024
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    Ant wrote on Tue, 24 Sep 2024 01:38:22 +0000 :

    And carrier services will not suffice.

    RCS REQUIRES internet access.

    Like Apple's iMessage.

    Hi Ant,

    The fact is, no operating system murders privacy like iOS does, Ant.

    You're not an Apple zealot so I'll just let you know that you do not need
    to have an account on Google's servers to send messages on an Android phone
    but you DO need to have an account (which nobody wants) on Apple's servers
    to send a message using Apple's messaging system.

    That is why Apple's messaging system horrendously murdered privacy.

    The ignorant Apple zealots don't even realize this huge privacy hole due to
    the required account which they "think" Android requires - but they're
    wrong.

    The Apple zealots who equate the Apple mothership tracking account to a
    Google mothership tracking account have no idea there's no account needed
    on the Google servers. In a word, those Apple zealots are stupid.

    Only Apple requires that mothership account.

    No other operating system is designed to murder privacy like iOS is.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Sep 23 19:48:37 2024
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    On 2024-09-23 19:46, Andrew wrote:
    Ant wrote on Tue, 24 Sep 2024 01:38:22 +0000 :

    And carrier services will not suffice.

    RCS REQUIRES internet access.

    Like Apple's iMessage.

    Hi Ant,

    The fact is, no operating system murders privacy like iOS does, Ant.

    You're not an Apple zealot so I'll just let you know that you do not need
    to have an account on Google's servers to send messages on an Android phone but you DO need to have an account (which nobody wants) on Apple's servers
    to send a message using Apple's messaging system.

    Do you notice how he just pivoted from RCS to sending messages on an
    Android phone...

    ...with SMS?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Sep 24 07:16:25 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 24.09.24 03:38, Ant wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.system Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    ...
    And carrier services will not suffice.

    RCS REQUIRES internet access.

    Like Apple's iMessage.

    That is the concept, dear.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Sten deJoode on Tue Sep 24 07:18:12 2024
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    On 23.09.24 22:15, Sten deJoode wrote:
    For one, it requires an account on Apple's servers, which nobody on Android would need - and which is used by Apple to provide others with your data.

    You show you have no clue.

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