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<https://9to5mac.com/2024/09/27/ifixit-iphone-16-pro-teardown-new- battery-camera-control-compromise-much-more-repairable/>
Apple is still the only one using such laughably puny el cheapo batteries, but they're encased in metal now, and they removed the 5G mmWave antennae
to create space for the Camera Control button (which iFixit considered a
fair loss of the 5G antenna traded for the gain of the camera button).
On 2024-09-27 20:20, Andrew wrote:
<https://9to5mac.com/2024/09/27/ifixit-iphone-16-pro-teardown-new-
battery-camera-control-compromise-much-more-repairable/>
Apple is still the only one using such laughably puny el cheapo batteries, >> but they're encased in metal now, and they removed the 5G mmWave antennae
to create space for the Camera Control button (which iFixit considered a
fair loss of the 5G antenna traded for the gain of the camera button).
Apple's batteries seem to work fine...
'The middle child of this year’s iPhones, the iPhone 16 Pro lasted 14
hours and 7 minutes on a single charge.'
<https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/iphones/iphone-16-battery-life-results-are-in-and-we-can-hardly-believe-our-eyes#section-iphone-16-pro-battery-life>
How many phones best that life in their testing?
<https://www.tomsguide.com/us/smartphones-best-battery-life,review-2857.html>
Not many.
:-)
Huh... Only a dozen non-Apple phones outlast Apple's "laughably puny el cheapo battery" in the iPhone 16 Pro? But we've been told over and over
by Arlen and his little anti-Apple trollboi gang of losers that Apple's batteries are complete shit! How can this be?
Jolly Roger wrote on 28 Sep 2024 21:18:44 GMT :
Huh... Only a dozen non-Apple phones outlast Apple's "laughably puny el
cheapo battery" in the iPhone 16 Pro? But we've been told over and over
by Arlen and his little anti-Apple trollboi gang of losers that Apple's
batteries are complete shit! How can this be?
What none of the zealots understand is basic math, chemistry and physics, which the Apple zealots repeatedly claim doesn't apply to Apple products.
According to the zealots, basic math & physics doesn't apply to Apple batteries, which last forever (they never die in decades of use).
To ignore lifetime (which is measured in years, lest they keep talking
about hours alone) and to ignore that the battery capacity is a key determinant of that lifetime (where capacity is measured in amp hours),
is how I can tell these zealots are claiming Apple batteries last forever.
They don't.
They're just batteries.
Apple batteries follow all the laws of physics that other batteries follow. And the capacity is a critical determinant of the number of charge cycles.
Notice these Apple zealots only talk about hours, instead of charge cycles? That's because they're claiming Apple batteries = infinite charge cycles.
Anyone who talks only of hours of life without mentioning charge cycles, is claiming Apple batteries last forever since charge cycles don't matter.
They do.
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is meaningless.
It's telling, actually, that both Apple slick advertisements and Apple zealots ignore that a fundamental determinant of charge cycles is capacity.
And iPhone batteries have the worst capacity of similarly priced phones.
Apple advertises an efficiency that is measured at 1 or 2 percent, which is great, but a couple of percent can't offset a 200% decrease in capacity.
That's just basic physics.
The same basic physics that the zealots claim doesn't ever apply to Apple.
Jolly Roger wrote on 28 Sep 2024 21:18:44 GMT :
Huh... Only a dozen non-Apple phones outlast Apple's "laughably puny
el cheapo battery" in the iPhone 16 Pro? But we've been told over and
over by Arlen and his little anti-Apple trollboi gang of losers that
Apple's batteries are complete shit! How can this be?
Anyone who talks only of hours of life without mentioning charge
cycles, is claiming Apple batteries last forever since charge cycles
don't matter.
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is
meaningless.
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is
meaningless.
And yet longer run times equate to fewer cycles
Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Sep 2024 02:00:38 GMT :
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is
meaningless.
And yet longer run times equate to fewer cycles
The problem with you zealots is you don't understand basic math.
Fewer cycles don't matter
This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast charging
the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery. Currently,
brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt adapters on Android
have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on the other hand are
quite careful with their charging accessories. That’s why they don’t offer anything extra other than suitable charging power."
Fewer cycles don't matter
Nonsense.
REALLY? Can you support that with facts, not unsupported words. Your
words are total bullshit. I'll bet you don't read a word of what follows.
Here are some facts:
https://techinspection.net/iphone-vs-android-battery-life/
Quotes:
"Battery Capacity
The battery capacity, measured in milliamp hours (mAh), gives a basic indicator of how much juice a phone's battery can hold. However,
optimization plays a huge role in translating that raw capacity into real-world usage.
Recent iPhone models have packed in these mAh capacities:
iPhone 14 Pro Max: 4,323 mAh
iPhone 14 Plus: 4,325 mAh
iPhone 14: 3,279 mAh
For Android, flagship capacities include:
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: 5,000 mAh
Google Pixel 7 Pro: 5,000 mAh
OnePlus 10T: 4,800 mAh
On paper, higher-end Android phones edge out iPhones on battery
capacities. The iPhone 14 Pro Max packs fairly large batteries given its
more compact size. However, Apple's custom silicon helps enable power efficiency that closes the usage gap despite lower mAh ratings. Still, Android makers continue pushing the envelope on sheer battery size to
enable marathon usage times."
"Real-World Battery Life Tests
Lab tests of battery life provide useful comparisons between iPhones and Android phones under controlled conditions. Reviewers like PhoneBuff run battery rundown tests for different use cases. In a web browsing test
over 5G networks, the iPhone 14 Pro Max lasted actively for 11 hours 28 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours making it a total of 27 hours 38 minutes. On the other hand, Galaxy S22 Ultra was active for 9 hours 16 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours, making it a total of 25 hours 16 minutes. Clearly, real-world testing indicates iPhones have an advantage
for typical daily use, thanks to the platform's power efficiency along
with battery capacity. However, results can vary depending on the
individual models tested in each phone generation."
Other tests show iPhones and Android about the same.
Here's the clincher:
"Battery Life Over Time
How well a smartphone battery holds up and maintains its charging
capacity over an extended period is an important consideration for
long-term owners.
Overall, iPhones tend to experience less severe battery degradation than typical Android phones after 12-24 months of use. Reports indicate most recent iPhone models still have around 80-85% of their original capacity after two years. Though there is no way to determine battery health on Android, but using 3rd party apps like AccuBattery, it has been seen
that many Android phones dip below 70% capacity by the same point as
repeated fast charging takes a toll.
However, Android variety means experiences vary. Since there are
numerous brands, ways to check battery health on Android also varies.
Since Android 13, Google started to offer battery health count from
settings. Although smartphone brands are offering quality batteries,
after a couple of years things like less battery backup and battery
swelling happen in Android. On the other hand, there is no record of
iPhone battery swelling.
This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast charging
the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery. Currently,
brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt adapters on Android
have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on the other hand are
quite careful with their charging accessories. That's why they don't
offer anything extra other than suitable charging power."
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design. >>
It's been exactly two years since I got my iPhone 14. The maximum battery capacity is now at 86%. The phone still lasts an entire day despite all the online backgammon that I play. I don't know if that's good or bad, but it's certainly better than previous iPhones I've had.
Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Sep 2024 14:53:51 GMT :
Fewer cycles don't matter
Nonsense.
[Ad hominem and bullshit claims rightfully ignored]
No amount of slick MARKETING can overcome iPhone lack of charge
cycles.
you don't understand even the most basic of the simplest things about batteries.
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design. >>
It’s been exactly two years since I got my iPhone 14. The maximum battery capacity is now at 86%. The phone still lasts an entire day despite all the online backgammon that I play. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but it’s
certainly better than previous iPhones I’ve had.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-09-30 15:27, badgolferman wrote:
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other >>>> batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design. >>>>
It’s been exactly two years since I got my iPhone 14. The maximum battery >>> capacity is now at 86%. The phone still lasts an entire day despite all the >>> online backgammon that I play. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but it’s
certainly better than previous iPhones I’ve had.
Why don't you ask Arlen/Andrew where these EU standards are that Apple
supposedly failed?
I’m not interested in being your mouthpiece. If you want to know something ask him yourself.
If you want to know something ask him yourself.
badgolferman wrote on Tue, 1 Oct 2024 18:56:05 -0000 (UTC) :
If you want to know something ask him yourself.
Even better, since we have entire threads on this topic, "If you want to
know something, look it up yourself".
It can't possibly be that difficult for the Apple zealots to be so dumb
that they can't even look up the well-publicized-for-years EU standards.
On 2024-10-01 11:56, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-09-30 15:27, badgolferman wrote:
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics
as other batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an
el cheapo design.
It’s been exactly two years since I got my iPhone 14. The maximum
battery capacity is now at 86%. The phone still lasts an entire day
despite all the online backgammon that I play. I don’t know if
that’s good or bad, but it’s certainly better than previous iPhones >>>> I’ve had.
Why don't you ask Arlen/Andrew where these EU standards are that
Apple supposedly failed?
I’m not interested in being your mouthpiece. If you want to know
something ask him yourself.
You're not interest in what's true in what he says and what's not?
Predictable.
Do you get it yet, BGM?O
Of course not.....
You'll note he virtually never questions them.
RocketSurgeon wrote on Wed, 2 Oct 2024 10:59:50 -0700 :
Do you get it yet, BGM?O
Of course not.....
You do realize that Apple publicized that the only phones that met the EU standards are the iPhone 15 (and now, the iPhone 16), don't you?
Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Oct 2024 04:49:01 GMT :
You'll note he virtually never questions them.
Only you Apple zealots dispute facts that are well publicized.
Such as the fact that Apple's iPhones have smaller batteries than most Androids of similar size & price range. Far smaller batteries, in fact.
You religious zealots
Only you Apple zealots dispute facts that are well publicized.
Only Arlen and badgolferman think repeated unsubstantiated lies are
"facts that are well publicized".
Such as the fact that Apple's iPhones have smaller batteries than most
Androids of similar size & price range. Far smaller batteries, in fact.
iPhones have battery run times that are in the top 10.
Instead, Arlen wants everyone to focus on the relatively meaningless
metric of battery size.
what most normal people care about is runtime.
Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Oct 2024 22:46:06 GMT :
Only you Apple zealots dispute facts that are well publicized.
Only Arlen and badgolferman think repeated unsubstantiated lies are
"facts that are well publicized".
Why not just say, "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are puny"?
you spend endless hours *disputing*
The fact is, iPhone batteries *are* puny.
Why not just say, "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are puny"?
Why not just admit that iPhones are routinely in the top ten smartphones
with the longest runtime between charges?
You can't bring yourself to say that because it's a religious thing.
The fact is, iPhone batteries *are* puny.
The fact is iPhones are in the top ten smartphones with the longest
run times between charges - which is the metric most people actually
care about...
Jolly Roger wrote on 3 Oct 2024 15:42:19 GMT :
Why not just say, "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are puny"?
Why not just admit that iPhones are routinely in the top ten
smartphones with the longest runtime between charges?
You can't bring yourself to say that because it's a religious thing.
Heh heh heh... I never once said otherwise, Jolly Roger.
Well YOU are the liar.
The fact is, iPhone batteries *are* puny.
The fact is iPhones are in the top ten smartphones with the longest
run times between charges - which is the metric most people actually
care about...
Actually most people care about other things, like the emoijis and the
video quality and the color of teh iPhone case, etc.
*You zealots dispute everything you don't know; which is everything.*
-hh wrote on Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:55:12 -0500 :
Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which
meet the EU's minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet
them (which again shows Apple's propensity for the absolute
minimum required by law for customers).
And these EU regulators had independent & objective criteria for
setting this standard, which was done double-blind to how products
performed ...
...right?
The EU specified battery lifetime rules which applied equally to
Android and to Apple phones
- where all known Android phones
surpassed those minimum lifetime rules
failed initially
- but Apple literally changed their test standard -
and then it passed.
Fancy that.
Note we discussed this ad infinitum on this very newsgroup, so I'm
not telling you anything which isn't already in this newsgroup's
archives.
Only *after* Apple tweaked the testing procedure did the iPhone 15
pass. Nonetheless, it passed. But barely.
Meanwhile, almost all Androids (if not all Samsung/Google phones,
which are the vast majority) passed with flying colors - some
exceeding TWICE the lifetime (while Apple iPhones, even the latest,
barely meet the standard).
The reason is trivially simple to comprehend. Apple puts crappy
batteries (in terms of capacity) in iPhones.
That's just a fact. The only people disputing that fact are the
ignorant Apple trolls.
On 9/30/2024 5:00 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tom Elam wrote on Mon, 30 Sep 2024 13:51:56 -0400 :
REALLY? Can you support that with facts, not unsupported words. Your
words are total bullshit. I'll bet you don't read a word of what
follows.
Here are some facts:
https://techinspection.net/iphone-vs-android-battery-life/
Quotes:
"Battery Capacity
The battery capacity, measured in milliamp hours (mAh), gives a basic
indicator of how much juice a phone's battery can hold. However,
optimization plays a huge role in translating that raw capacity into
real-world usage.
Recent iPhone models have packed in these mAh capacities:
iPhone 14 Pro Max: 4,323 mAh
iPhone 14 Plus: 4,325 mAh
iPhone 14: 3,279 mAh
For Android, flagship capacities include:
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: 5,000 mAh
Google Pixel 7 Pro: 5,000 mAh
OnePlus 10T: 4,800 mAh
On paper, higher-end Android phones edge out iPhones on battery
capacities. The iPhone 14 Pro Max packs fairly large batteries given
its more compact size. However, Apple's custom silicon helps enable
power efficiency that closes the usage gap despite lower mAh ratings.
Still, Android makers continue pushing the envelope on sheer battery
size to enable marathon usage times."
"Real-World Battery Life Tests
Lab tests of battery life provide useful comparisons between iPhones
and Android phones under controlled conditions. Reviewers like
PhoneBuff run battery rundown tests for different use cases. In a web
browsing test over 5G networks, the iPhone 14 Pro Max lasted actively
for 11 hours 28 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours making it a
total of 27 hours 38 minutes. On the other hand, Galaxy S22 Ultra was
active for 9 hours 16 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours, making it
a total of 25 hours 16 minutes. Clearly, real-world testing indicates
iPhones have an advantage for typical daily use, thanks to the
platform's power efficiency along with battery capacity. However,
results can vary depending on the individual models tested in each
phone generation."
Other tests show iPhones and Android about the same.
Here's the clincher:
"Battery Life Over Time
How well a smartphone battery holds up and maintains its charging
capacity over an extended period is an important consideration for
long-term owners.
Overall, iPhones tend to experience less severe battery degradation
than typical Android phones after 12-24 months of use. Reports
indicate most recent iPhone models still have around 80-85% of their
original capacity after two years. Though there is no way to
determine battery health on Android, but using 3rd party apps like
AccuBattery, it has been seen that many Android phones dip below 70%
capacity by the same point as repeated fast charging takes a toll.
However, Android variety means experiences vary. Since there are
numerous brands, ways to check battery health on Android also varies.
Since Android 13, Google started to offer battery health count from
settings. Although smartphone brands are offering quality batteries,
after a couple of years things like less battery backup and battery
swelling happen in Android. On the other hand, there is no record of
iPhone battery swelling.
This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast
charging the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery.
Currently, brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt
adapters on Android have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on
the other hand are quite careful with their charging accessories.
That's why they don't offer anything extra other than suitable
charging power."
You have never read the news, Tom Elam, am I correct?
(You only read Apple's (rather brilliant) advertising, right Tom?)
The fact is the EU told Apple to STOP SELLING el cheap iPhones, Tom Elam.
That's *every* iPhone below the iPhone 15, Tom Elam.
Look it up.
All iPhones miserably failed the EU's *MINIMUM* standards for battery
life!
Even the iPhones that passed, *barely* meet EU minimum-life standards.
While some Android phones *DOUBLED* the EU's minimum battery standards!
Think about that.
In addition...
See my response to Jolly Roger where, using simple numbers, if you have a
batter that lasts for an entire week on one charge, but if that
battery has
a 5 charge cycle rating, then it won't last more than a few months, Tom.
Apple marketing is genius at advertising only half the picture, where
Apple's admirable number of hours on one charge is only one metric.
What you have to look at is Apple's atrocious number of charge cycles
before that battery is considered dead as a doorknob - unchargeable.
To put it bluntly, the main reason the iPhone has the most replaced
battery
of all phones in that price range is Apple uses el cheapo battery design.
The EU was so appalled at the extremely short lifetime of Apple
batteries,
that the EU recently *forced* Apple to disclose the number of charge
cycles, and the EU forbid Apple to sell every iPhone below the iPHone
15 as
a result of the astoundingly low number of iPhone battery charge cycles.
Look it up as we discussed this topic in great detail only a short while
ago.
You'd be hard pressed to find worse batteries than those in the iPhone.
At least in that price range - there are multiple batteries in Android
phones that last TWICE the charge cycles as the el cheapo iPhones do.
Look that up since charge cycles are the major second-order
determinant of
overall battery life, with initial capacity being the first-order
determinant, and the overall daily life being a third-order determinant.
Sorry if this simple math is too much for you brainwashed Apple zealots.
And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new
iPhone
lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test.
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo
design.
So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14 version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.
Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.
And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new iPhone >> lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test.
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.
So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14 version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.
Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.
Tom Elam wrote on Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:17:37 -0500 :
And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new iPhone >>> lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test. >>>So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other >>> batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design. >>
version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.
Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.
It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.
You can't even look up what both Apple & the EU published - and - what
we've talked about already on in-depth threads on this very newsgroup!
Notwithstanding the fact that none of you Apple trolls could possibly have earned even a college degree because you can't find what *everyone* knows.
Apple *published* the figures for Christ's sake. And the EU rules are also *published* so again you Apple trolls prove to be ignorant of everything.
To make it ever more obvious that you Apple trolls ignorantly deny
everything about Apple you don't like (which is pretty much everything)...
We even had entire threads on this very topic - which you trolls forgot!
Even if I gave you Apple trolls the links for the umpteenth time, you Apple trolls have shown you never click on the cites. And if I force you to click on the cites, you Apple trolls never can understand what the cites says.
Suffice to say everyone on the planet except you Apple trolls is well aware of the EU rules on the lifetime of batteries which absolutely no Apple
iPhone meets except the iPhone 15 and up (because Apple had to meet them!).
Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).
Apple's own published words show clearly no iPhone below the iPhone 15
meets the EU's requirements for battery life - and yet - *plenty* of
Android phones exceed the EU's minimum battery life by more than double!
It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.
The fact is the iPhone battery capacity is crap. And it always was crap. Apple gives you loyal morons the shittiest components they can possibly do.
And you *love* Apple for that. You'll stand in long lines outside the Apple store because you can't wait to get *rid* of your old iPhone in tradein!
One good reason for that is Apple put crappy batteries in all iPhones.
That's just a fact. The capacity is crap compared to that of most Androids.
And capacity is the single most important determinant of battery longevity. Which is why the EU rules forbid iPhones older than the 15 from being sold.
...
Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).
Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's >> minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows
Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).
And these EU regulators had independent & objective criteria for setting
this standard, which was done double-blind to how products performed ...
...right?