On 2024-08-31 14:23, Tom Elam wrote:

On 8/30/2024 3:14 PM, Alan wrote:

I've been forced to use a Windows PC lately to do some work in Word
where Microsoft has not seen fit to provide the same UI in Word for
macOS as it has in Word for Windows; specifically surrounding what
they now call "Content Controls" and which any normal person would
call form fields.

It's not that the feature doesn't exist in the Mac version of Word—it
sort of does, but there is no user interface for creating or modifying
the content controls on the Mac. Microsoft just left them out! So, a
Windows PC has become necessary to do this work.

And I'm doing so on a somewhat dated surplus PC I got from one of my
clients, but it's a decent midr-range machine: a Lenovo T450s first
released in 2015. And I've updated it to Windows 10.

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

Using Word with a pointer that doesn't move fluidly is awful.

Understand, this is not a problem with understanding how to use the
Windows UI.

I'm just comparing the quality of the experience of how it behaves
against the gold standard...

...and it is coming up as dross.

It's an 9 year old machine designed to run a Windows version prior to
V.10 and it does not have a SSD. Get a more modern machine with solid
state memory.

You think changing to an SSD will make the mouse move more fluidly?

That the Word UI will suddenly stop being janky?

Interesting.

Until quite recently, I was running a MacBook Pro from 2015, and it was
great.

And as usual, you get your facts wrong.

The drive is a Kingston SV300S37A/480G 480GB SATA SSD.

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On 2024-09-02 07:35, Tom Elam wrote:

On 8/31/2024 6:42 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2024-08-31 14:23, Tom Elam wrote:

On 8/30/2024 3:14 PM, Alan wrote:

I've been forced to use a Windows PC lately to do some work in Word
where Microsoft has not seen fit to provide the same UI in Word for
macOS as it has in Word for Windows; specifically surrounding what
they now call "Content Controls" and which any normal person would
call form fields.

It's not that the feature doesn't exist in the Mac version of
Word—it sort of does, but there is no user interface for creating or >>>> modifying the content controls on the Mac. Microsoft just left them
out! So, a Windows PC has become necessary to do this work.

And I'm doing so on a somewhat dated surplus PC I got from one of my
clients, but it's a decent midr-range machine: a Lenovo T450s first
released in 2015. And I've updated it to Windows 10.

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity
of the trackpad and pointer is awful.

Using Word with a pointer that doesn't move fluidly is awful.

Understand, this is not a problem with understanding how to use the
Windows UI.

I'm just comparing the quality of the experience of how it behaves
against the gold standard...

...and it is coming up as dross.

It's an 9 year old machine designed to run a Windows version prior to
V.10 and it does not have a SSD. Get a more modern machine with solid
state memory.

You think changing to an SSD will make the mouse move more fluidly?

That the Word UI will suddenly stop being janky?

Interesting.

Until quite recently, I was running a MacBook Pro from 2015, and it
was great.

And as usual, you get your facts wrong.

The drive is a Kingston SV300S37A/480G 480GB SATA SSD.

The specs say it came with a 500 GB HD or 256 GB SSD.

So knowing that what you said could have been wrong, you claimed it as
an absolute anyway.

That's why you get called "Liarboy", Liarboy.

Strange though
that we have 2 2015-2016 era Windows machines here running W10 and
neither has the screen/mouse symptoms you mention. Both have hard drives
and updates/reboots are slow. But once up and running both are quite
good. I run a graphics intensive flight sim on the 2015 HP and it is
very responsive to controller inputs, totally usable. It's connected to
a 27" HP display. Fonts render just fine on that large screen.

You're just used to something worse than I'm used to, Liarboy.

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On 2024-09-17 06:22, Tom Elam wrote:

On 9/4/2024 6:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2024-09-03 09:29, Tyrone wrote:

On Aug 30, 2024 at 3:14:46 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

There are settings for all of that. The screen may even be set to the
wrong
resolution. If the screen's native res is 1920 x 1080 (for example)
but in
Windows it is set for anything but that, it will look like shit.

Well I won't blame Windows for the fact that some people are cheap
about their computers. The Lenovo T450s screen is maxxed out at
1600x900. This particular client couldn't be convinced at the time to
get anything higher.

So the resolution is set to the correct value...

...and it still looks like shite.

But the reality is, 95% of Windows users "put up with it" because
that it what
they are forced to use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go
home and use
Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones and iPads.

Yup.

These days you can buy a perfectly usable Windows 11 machine for home
use at a price point about 50% of the cheapest Macbook Air with similar
SSD size.

"…and the people who consider price alone are that man's lawful prey."

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On 2024-09-17 06:22, Tom Elam wrote:

On 9/4/2024 6:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2024-09-03 09:29, Tyrone wrote:

On Aug 30, 2024 at 3:14:46 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

There are settings for all of that. The screen may even be set to the
wrong
resolution. If the screen's native res is 1920 x 1080 (for example)
but in
Windows it is set for anything but that, it will look like shit.

Well I won't blame Windows for the fact that some people are cheap
about their computers. The Lenovo T450s screen is maxxed out at
1600x900. This particular client couldn't be convinced at the time to
get anything higher.

So the resolution is set to the correct value...

...and it still looks like shite.

But the reality is, 95% of Windows users "put up with it" because
that it what
they are forced to use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go
home and use
Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones and iPads.

Yup.

These days you can buy a perfectly usable Windows 11 machine for home
use at a price point about 50% of the cheapest Macbook Air with similar
SSD size.

Please supply third party data to support "But the reality is, 95% of
Windows users "put up with it" because that it what they are forced to
use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go home and use Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones and iPads."

While a I agree with it, I'm not the one that said it, Liarboy.

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On Aug 30, 2024 at 3:14:46 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

There are settings for all of that. The screen may even be set to the wrong resolution. If the screen's native res is 1920 x 1080 (for example) but in Windows it is set for anything but that, it will look like shit.

But the reality is, 95% of Windows users "put up with it" because that it what they are forced to use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go home and use Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones and iPads.

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On 2024-09-03 09:29, Tyrone wrote:

On Aug 30, 2024 at 3:14:46 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

There are settings for all of that. The screen may even be set to the wrong resolution. If the screen's native res is 1920 x 1080 (for example) but in Windows it is set for anything but that, it will look like shit.

Well I won't blame Windows for the fact that some people are cheap about
their computers. The Lenovo T450s screen is maxxed out at 1600x900. This particular client couldn't be convinced at the time to get anything higher.

So the resolution is set to the correct value...

...and it still looks like shite.

But the reality is, 95% of Windows users "put up with it" because that it what
they are forced to use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go home and use
Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones and iPads.

Yup.

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On 2024-10-10 13:32, Tom Elam wrote:

On 9/17/2024 11:03 AM, Alan wrote:

On 2024-09-17 06:22, Tom Elam wrote:

On 9/4/2024 6:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2024-09-03 09:29, Tyrone wrote:

On Aug 30, 2024 at 3:14:46 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of >>>>>> the trackpad and pointer is awful.

There are settings for all of that. The screen may even be set to
the wrong
resolution. If the screen's native res is 1920 x 1080 (for example)
but in
Windows it is set for anything but that, it will look like shit.

Well I won't blame Windows for the fact that some people are cheap
about their computers. The Lenovo T450s screen is maxxed out at
1600x900. This particular client couldn't be convinced at the time
to get anything higher.

So the resolution is set to the correct value...

...and it still looks like shite.

But the reality is, 95% of Windows users "put up with it" because
that it what
they are forced to use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go
home and use
Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones and
iPads.

Yup.

These days you can buy a perfectly usable Windows 11 machine for home
use at a price point about 50% of the cheapest Macbook Air with
similar SSD size.

Please supply third party data to support "But the reality is, 95% of
Windows users "put up with it" because that it what they are forced
to use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go home and use
Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones and
iPads."

While a I agree with it, I'm not the one that said it, Liarboy.

Dodging the question, SO typical of a narcissist. Lay the blame for a
lie on others!

There is literally no question in this thread to dodge, Liarboy.

And I clearly stated my agreement with the position, so what exactly did
I "dodge"?

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I've been forced to use a Windows PC lately to do some work in Word
where Microsoft has not seen fit to provide the same UI in Word for
macOS as it has in Word for Windows; specifically surrounding what they
now call "Content Controls" and which any normal person would call form
fields.

It's not that the feature doesn't exist in the Mac version of Word—it
sort of does, but there is no user interface for creating or modifying
the content controls on the Mac. Microsoft just left them out! So, a
Windows PC has become necessary to do this work.

And I'm doing so on a somewhat dated surplus PC I got from one of my
clients, but it's a decent midr-range machine: a Lenovo T450s first
released in 2015. And I've updated it to Windows 10.

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

Using Word with a pointer that doesn't move fluidly is awful.

Understand, this is not a problem with understanding how to use the
Windows UI.

I'm just comparing the quality of the experience of how it behaves
against the gold standard...

...and it is coming up as dross.

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On 8/30/24 3:14 PM, Alan wrote:

I've been forced to use a Windows PC lately to do some work in Word
where Microsoft has not seen fit to provide the same UI in Word for
macOS as it has in Word for Windows; specifically surrounding what they
now call "Content Controls" and which any normal person would call form fields.

It's not that the feature doesn't exist in the Mac version of Word—it
sort of does, but there is no user interface for creating or modifying
the content controls on the Mac. Microsoft just left them out! So, a
Windows PC has become necessary to do this work.

I'd not heard of 'content controls' before, so I did a quick Google:

This looked promising...

<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/client-developer/word/content-controls-in-word>

and sure, it does explain the basics, but what's of note is that first line:

"Learn how Microsoft Word 2013 content controls enable..."

Word 2013? So the element has been around for a decade, yet has still
not made it into all of their Word platform versions!

What's next? "MacOS-Access"? /s

And I'm doing so on a somewhat dated surplus PC I got from one of my
clients, but it's a decent midr-range machine: a Lenovo T450s first
released in 2015. And I've updated it to Windows 10.

FWIW, another option is to install Parallels on one's Mac, and Windows
11 (ARM version) therein.

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

Using Word with a pointer that doesn't move fluidly is awful.

Understand, this is not a problem with understanding how to use the
Windows UI.

I'm just comparing the quality of the experience of how it behaves
against the gold standard...

...and it is coming up as dross.

Understandable. Adobe has been the same way at times too.


-hh

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On 2024-08-30 16:42, -hh wrote:

On 8/30/24 3:14 PM, Alan wrote:

I've been forced to use a Windows PC lately to do some work in Word
where Microsoft has not seen fit to provide the same UI in Word for
macOS as it has in Word for Windows; specifically surrounding what
they now call "Content Controls" and which any normal person would
call form fields.

It's not that the feature doesn't exist in the Mac version of Word—it
sort of does, but there is no user interface for creating or modifying
the content controls on the Mac. Microsoft just left them out! So, a
Windows PC has become necessary to do this work.

I'd not heard of 'content controls' before, so I did a quick Google:

This looked promising...

<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/client-developer/word/content-controls-in-word>

and sure, it does explain the basics, but what's of note is that first
line:

"Learn how Microsoft Word 2013 content controls enable..."

Word 2013?  So the element has been around for a decade, yet has still
not made it into all of their Word platform versions!

What's next?  "MacOS-Access"?   /s

What's maddening about this is that it really appears that it's just a
matter of not bothering to include the user interface elements to work
with them on the Mac.

And I'm doing so on a somewhat dated surplus PC I got from one of my
clients, but it's a decent midr-range machine: a Lenovo T450s first
released in 2015. And I've updated it to Windows 10.

FWIW, another option is to install Parallels on one's Mac, and Windows
11 (ARM version) therein.

Oh, I know.

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

Using Word with a pointer that doesn't move fluidly is awful.

Understand, this is not a problem with understanding how to use the
Windows UI.

I'm just comparing the quality of the experience of how it behaves
against the gold standard...

...and it is coming up as dross.

Understandable.  Adobe has been the same way at times too.

-hh

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On 10/10/24 8:41 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2024-10-10 13:32, Tom Elam wrote:

On 9/17/2024 11:03 AM, Alan wrote:

On 2024-09-17 06:22, Tom Elam wrote:

On 9/4/2024 6:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2024-09-03 09:29, Tyrone wrote:

On Aug 30, 2024 at 3:14:46 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The
fluidity of
the trackpad and pointer is awful.

There are settings for all of that. The screen may even be set to
the wrong
resolution. If the screen's native res is 1920 x 1080 (for
example) but in
Windows it is set for anything but that, it will look like shit.

Well I won't blame Windows for the fact that some people are cheap
about their computers. The Lenovo T450s screen is maxxed out at
1600x900. This particular client couldn't be convinced at the time
to get anything higher.

So the resolution is set to the correct value...

...and it still looks like shite.

But the reality is, 95% of Windows users "put up with it" because
that it what
they are forced to use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go
home and use
Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones and
iPads.

Yup.

These days you can buy a perfectly usable Windows 11 machine for
home use at a price point about 50% of the cheapest Macbook Air with
similar SSD size.

Please supply third party data to support "But the reality is, 95%
of Windows users "put up with it" because that it what they are
forced to use at work, 8 hours a day. Very few people go home and
use Windows for personal use. Most people have moved on to phones
and iPads."

While a I agree with it, I'm not the one that said it, Liarboy.

Dodging the question, SO typical of a narcissist. Lay the blame for a
lie on others!

There is literally no question in this thread to dodge, Liarboy.

And I clearly stated my agreement with the position, so what exactly did
I "dodge"?

Wait until Tommy learns of software features that aren't enabled until
you make sure that your user registration includes your birthday!

True ... and it isn't from Microsoft (or Apple).


-hh

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Alan wrote:
I've been forced to use a Windows PC lately to do some work in Word

where Microsoft has not seen fit to provide the same UI in Word for

macOS as it has in Word for Windows; specifically surrounding what

they

now call "Content Controls" and which any normal person

would call form

fields.

It's not that the feature doesn't exist in the Mac version of

Word—it

sort of does, but there is no user interface for creating or

modifying

the content controls on the Mac. Microsoft just left them out! So,

a

Windows PC has become necessary to do this work.

And I'm doing so on a somewhat dated surplus PC I got from one of

my

clients, but it's a decent midr-range machine: a Lenovo T450s first

released in 2015. And I've updated it to Windows 10.

But actually working on it is AWFUL.

The screen is awful. The rendering of fonts is awful. The fluidity

of

the trackpad and pointer is awful.

Using Word with a pointer that doesn't move fluidly is awful.

Understand, this is not a problem with understanding how to use the

Windows UI.

I'm just comparing the quality of the experience of how it behaves
against the gold standard...

....and it is coming up as dross.

1.There is a wide-variety
of windows writing programs for you to download. Not just word.
2. Works etc have options. Why not Libre Office or Open Office if your
not up to it.
3. I use Notepad++ and then I bring it to a Word document.
4. Windows can be altered to your own desire as with any OS. You have
to tweak it, to get any real use out of it.
5. The problem with most Windows users is that they do not mess with
the OS. This is why.
6. Most people are pushed on Windows in HS and College projects. That
is why Windows is still around.
7. Your crying about Word? Look at what itunes have turned into.
8. Sometimes you should try installing scoop, and updating features
like winget and the installing the terminal ( HINT: Do not do this
from the store version.
9. You can for a long time install Linux on Window subsystem and enjoy
with no need for any Vmware or Vbox.
10. Specific versions of windows have Virtualization.
11. Like any many of African decent you have to read to keep the
European demons out. Joking aside, you have to read up and learn to
use the terminal as with OSX to get by in Windows world.
12. Privacy.Sexy ?


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