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And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
21-Home screen.jpeg
Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.
On 2024-08-04 14:22, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel
without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
21-Home screen.jpeg
Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags. >>
out and it will never ask you again.
So we're agreed:
Anyone who claims that an iOS device is just a "dumb terminal" that
cannot function without a connection to Apple's servers at all times...
...is just a huge idiot.
:-)
On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
21-Home screen.jpeg
Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.
You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel out and it will never ask you again.
On Aug 4, 2024 at 5:33:17 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-08-04 14:22, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel
without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
21-Home screen.jpeg
Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the >>>> iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but >>>> lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags. >>>
out and it will never ask you again.
So we're agreed:
Anyone who claims that an iOS device is just a "dumb terminal" that
cannot function without a connection to Apple's servers at all times...
Well, to be fair, ANY device these days can be - sort of - considered a "dumb terminal" because the whole point of most devices is the network
connection. But apparently troll boy has never actually seen a real
dumb terminal. It
actually does nothing locally, it merely displays the TEXT that is coming across the line from the Actual Computer.
Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago.
The network connection is needed,to get data/apps/communicate with friends/etc. No one buys a phone/PC/iPad to use it as a stand-alone
device.
To use a very old phrase, "The Network IS The Computer".
...is just a huge idiot.
:-)
Well, he is certainly that. And he demonstrates it every time he rambles on here.
Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing >> going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago.
Maybe, but the tech industry is pushing more and more back towards
consumers having what are realistically little more than dumb terminals
with all the apps running on the developers' servers (at a monthly subscription of course). Office 365 is the obvious example, but Apple
and Adobe also have webapps of their office and creative software.
They want to do that because it makes it easier for them to enure
everyone is using the latest version, which in turn pushes poeple into
buying a newer device. They also do that to circumvent the pirating of
the apps.
BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your device is considered "too old".
My Macs/PCs/iPhones/iPads are NOT "dumb terminals".
BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your device is considered "too old".
On Aug 4, 2024 at 9:29:54 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing >>> going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago.
Maybe, but the tech industry is pushing more and more back towards
consumers having what are realistically little more than dumb terminals
with all the apps running on the developers' servers (at a monthly
subscription of course). Office 365 is the obvious example, but Apple
and Adobe also have webapps of their office and creative software.
Office 365 is for corporations, so they no longer have to deploy Office to 50,000 separate PCs. It is all done automagically. For consumers who might need Excel once a year, it is still a free download for iPads. I bought Office 2021 for Windows and Mac last year, for about $80 total. No 365 here.
My Macs/PCs/iPhones/iPads are NOT "dumb terminals".
They want to do that because it makes it easier for them to enure
everyone is using the latest version, which in turn pushes poeple into
buying a newer device. They also do that to circumvent the pirating of
the apps.
Of course. Corporate PCs again.
BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it
impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your
device is considered "too old".
The entire internet is in "the cloud". Is that "ridiculously silly"? Is this usenet group running on your local Mac? Or mine? No, we connect to "the cloud"
to talk here.
And how often does one's internet connection go down? Maybe a few times a year
for maybe an hour total? About as often as the power going out (unless a major storm/tornado/hurricane comes through). You can't handle that?
Even if my cable goes out, I can use my phone as a hotspot and be online again
in minutes. BFD. Way easier than cranking up a generator when the power goes out, unless you have an automatic Generac system.
Since my killfilter automatically deletes anything Alan Baker sends, I
looked up his original post using the canonical search engine for this ng.
<http://tinyurl.com/nova-misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
*Setting up an iPad without an AppleID*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16576&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16576>
On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory reset.
Here they are:
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
Let's walk through them, together.
First, you get the "Hello" screen.
...
No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
On 8/17/24 2:31 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory
reset.
Here they are:
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
Let's walk through them, together.
First, you get the "Hello" screen.
...
No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be set
up without it.
-hh
Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be set
up without it.
On 2024-08-04 21:53:02 +0000, Tyrone said:
On Aug 4, 2024 at 5:33:17 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-08-04 14:22, Tyrone wrote:
On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
21-Home screen.jpeg
Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the >>>>> iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but >>>>> lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by >>>>> adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.
You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel
out and it will never ask you again.
So we're agreed:
Anyone who claims that an iOS device is just a "dumb terminal" that
cannot function without a connection to Apple's servers at all times...
Well, to be fair, ANY device these days can be - sort of - considered a "dumb
terminal" because the whole point of most devices is the network connection. >> But apparently troll boy has never actually seen a real dumb terminal. It
actually does nothing locally, it merely displays the TEXT that is coming
across the line from the Actual Computer.
Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing >> going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago.
Maybe, but the tech industry is pushing more and more back towards consumers having what are realistically little more than dumb terminals with all the apps
running on the developers' servers (at a monthly subscription of course). Office
365 is the obvious example, but Apple and Adobe also have webapps of their office and creative software.
They want to do that because it makes it easier for them to enure everyone is using the latest version, which in turn pushes poeple into buying a newer device. They also do that to circumvent the pirating of the apps.
BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your device
is considered "too old".
On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory reset.
Here they are:
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
Let's walk through them, together.
First, you get the "Hello" screen.
1-Hello.jpeg
After pressing the home button, you see the language selection screen:
2-Language.jpeg
After selecting your language, you are asked for your region:
3-Region.jpeg
I selected Canada and came to the screen where you can either do a
"Quick Start" using an iOS device running iOS 11 or later, or you can
do a "Set Up Manually"
4-Quick Start.jpeg
I chose to "Set Up Manually" and we came to the "Choose a Wi-Fi" screen.
5-Wi-Fi.jpeg
Not living in a slum and not afraid of my own shadow, I chose my home
network, and came to the "Data and Privacy" screen:
6-Data & Privacy.jpeg
Having already read Apple's privacy documentation previously (and
having access to that documentation online, because I wasn't too
afraid to connect to WiFi in the previous step), I clicked Continue,
and came to the passcode setup screen:
7-Passcode.jpeg
I set up a passcode--twice as is the usual way, and came to the App &
Data screen where you're asked if you'd like to restore from some
source or set up a new device without transferring:
8-Apps & Data.jpeg
I chose, "Don't Transfer Apps & Data", and now we come to the Apple ID
screen:
9-Apple ID.jpeg
I chose, "Forgot password or don't have an Apple ID?", and came to the
second Apple ID screen where the option, "Set Up Later in Settings"
exists:
10-Forgot Apple ID.jpeg
I chose, "Set Up Later in Settings", and was asked to confirm my choice:
11-Confirm no Apple ID.jpeg
I confirmed, "Don't Use", and we get:
12-Terms & Conditions.jpeg
Accepting the T&C, we get options for setting up Siri and Location,
but remember: we're anonymous, and you can choose NOT to have this
information transferred.
13-Express Setttings.jpeg
So after selecting, "Continue", we get whether or not to have software
updates done automatically or not:
14-Software updates.jpeg
For the purposes of this demonstration, I chose "Continue" rather than
"Install Updates Manually", and we get Screen Time options:
15-Screen Time.jpeg
"Continue" and we get options about sending analytic data to Apple and
app developers:
16-iPad Analytics.jpeg
17-App Analytics.jpeg
Continue to both, and we get a three informational screens about
features of iOS/iPadOS;
18-Dock quick access.jpeg
19-Recent app switch.jpeg
20-Quickly Access Controls.jpeg
And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
21-Home screen.jpeg
Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on
the iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an
AppleID, but lots don't require one. You may be bothered about
finishing setup by adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can
simply ignore those nags.
And of course, you could add a completely minimal AppleID with no
personal information at all:
22-AppleID setup.jpeg
No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
As I said above, they aren't *now*, but the tech industry is heading in
that direction.
On 8/17/2024 2:49 PM, -hh wrote:
On 8/17/24 2:31 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory
reset.
Here they are:
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
Let's walk through them, together.
First, you get the "Hello" screen.
...
No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be
set up without it.
-hh
Set it up then try to make it really useful without an account? How?
The troll was wrong, but what you wind up with is going to be a limited device.
BTW, I personally have zero issues with having Apple accounts on our
devices. Makes life simple and they all talk to each other. Much easier
to work with than multiple Android branded devices.
