• Re: Dial-up modems (Re: FREE GAME: Spirit of the Mouse)

    From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 13:06:08 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:07:34 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    We had an acoustic coupler for awhile. I think I could type faster than >>> it sent letters.

    That's like 300 speed. ;)

    Depends on how fast you can type :-)
    300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists.

    Don't be too sure, I hunt and peck at a quite fast rate (never learned
    to touch type and the allowable mistakes in touch typing, just plain DO
    NOT WORK when programming and it HAS TO BE RIGHT.

    I am however not one of those two-fingered hunt and peck types like you
    see in old police dramas, glacially typing up their reports on a
    typewriter or computer.

    And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of
    games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit
    slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for
    downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the
    original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day).
    Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and
    that would be it for the night ;-)

    Never used 300 baud, but first modem was a Zoltrix 2400, soon upgraded
    to a USR 14k4.

    I think I still have a ISA 56k modem around here somewhere, but of
    course no landline.

    Xocyll

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Oct 10 00:16:58 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:07:34 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    We had an acoustic coupler for awhile. I think I could type faster than >> it sent letters.

    That's like 300 speed. ;)

    Depends on how fast you can type :-)
    300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists.

    I hunt and peck on smartphones since I have to have one hand hold it and while other hand type!


    And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of
    games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit
    slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for
    downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the
    original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day).
    Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and
    that would be it for the night ;-)

    Yeah, but you had those evil line noises!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Wed Oct 16 08:55:58 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 23:28:59 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Can't use if for email anymore though, since all the email sites want a >security protocol it doesn't do.

    Xocyll

    Yep. I just had to stop using Agent for an old hotmail\outlook email
    address I was using due to a security thing. I am using Agent 6.0

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Wed Oct 16 08:59:58 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 21:30:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    Being fascinated with BBSes and finding one with a link to USENET?

    Interesting. I started with BBSes as well.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 16 08:59:17 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 13:30:27 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Binaries?

    Binaries are definitely still a thing on Usenet and it is safer then
    torrents. But I am more curious as to why anyone significantly younger
    then me would come to Usenet for messaging groups though.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Oct 10 20:23:29 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:16:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:07:34 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    We had an acoustic coupler for awhile. I think I could type faster than
    it sent letters.

    That's like 300 speed. ;)

    Depends on how fast you can type :-)
    300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists.

    I hunt and peck on smartphones since I have to have one hand hold it and while other hand type!


    And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of
    games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit
    slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for
    downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the
    original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day).
    Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and
    that would be it for the night ;-)

    Yeah, but you had those evil line noises!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No, you didn't. Most modems supported the AT M0 command, which turned
    off the speaker from the start. It was one of the first AT commands I learned, and boy howdy did I make sure every AT string I used included
    it! That squeal people associate with the dial-up era of the Internet?

    I never heard it.

    No, not the modem connection audio. The line noises that lag and even disconnect your connections. If the dial-up modem didn't have error
    corrections like my 2400 modems, then you get bunch of characters on
    screen if using text mode connections like in BBSes with terminal
    clients like $^UY&HW24tr856g65 (pretend some of these are extended ASCII characters too). :(

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Oct 10 18:36:27 2024
    On 10/10/2024 8:45 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:16:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:07:34 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    We had an acoustic coupler for awhile. I think I could type faster than >>>>> it sent letters.

    That's like 300 speed. ;)

    Depends on how fast you can type :-)
    300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists.

    I hunt and peck on smartphones since I have to have one hand hold it and while other hand type!


    And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of
    games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit
    slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for
    downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the
    original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day).
    Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and
    that would be it for the night ;-)

    Yeah, but you had those evil line noises!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No, you didn't. Most modems supported the AT M0 command, which turned
    off the speaker from the start. It was one of the first AT commands I learned, and boy howdy did I make sure every AT string I used included
    it! That squeal people associate with the dial-up era of the Internet?

    I never heard it.

    Then you were never properly IN the dial-up era of the Internet!!

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Oct 11 18:08:38 2024
    On 10/11/2024 8:02 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 20:23:29 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:16:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:07:34 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    We had an acoustic coupler for awhile. I think I could type faster than
    it sent letters.

    That's like 300 speed. ;)

    Depends on how fast you can type :-)
    300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists.

    I hunt and peck on smartphones since I have to have one hand hold it and while other hand type!


    And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of >>>>> games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit >>>>> slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for
    downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the
    original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day). >>>>> Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and
    that would be it for the night ;-)

    Yeah, but you had those evil line noises!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No, you didn't. Most modems supported the AT M0 command, which turned
    off the speaker from the start. It was one of the first AT commands I
    learned, and boy howdy did I make sure every AT string I used included
    it! That squeal people associate with the dial-up era of the Internet?

    I never heard it.

    No, not the modem connection audio. The line noises that lag and even
    disconnect your connections. If the dial-up modem didn't have error
    corrections like my 2400 modems, then you get bunch of characters on
    screen if using text mode connections like in BBSes with terminal
    clients like $^UY&HW24tr856g65 (pretend some of these are extended ASCII
    characters too). :(

    Oh, that.

    I was fairly lucky; I never had significant problems with line noise
    (then again, as noted, the majority of my modeming-years were in an
    era where modems _did_ have built-in era correction).

    So, did your modems come from the future or the past? O_o

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Oct 12 02:14:31 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 20:23:29 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:16:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:07:34 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    We had an acoustic coupler for awhile. I think I could type faster than
    it sent letters.

    That's like 300 speed. ;)

    Depends on how fast you can type :-)
    300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists.

    I hunt and peck on smartphones since I have to have one hand hold it and while other hand type!


    And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of >> >> games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit
    slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for
    downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the
    original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day). >> >> Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and
    that would be it for the night ;-)

    Yeah, but you had those evil line noises!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No, you didn't. Most modems supported the AT M0 command, which turned
    off the speaker from the start. It was one of the first AT commands I
    learned, and boy howdy did I make sure every AT string I used included
    it! That squeal people associate with the dial-up era of the Internet?

    I never heard it.

    No, not the modem connection audio. The line noises that lag and even >disconnect your connections. If the dial-up modem didn't have error >corrections like my 2400 modems, then you get bunch of characters on
    screen if using text mode connections like in BBSes with terminal
    clients like $^UY&HW24tr856g65 (pretend some of these are extended ASCII >characters too). :(

    Oh, that.

    I was fairly lucky; I never had significant problems with line noise
    (then again, as noted, the majority of my modeming-years were in an
    era where modems _did_ have built-in era correction). Disconnects were actually fairly uncommon for me. And software existed to automatically
    redial if there was a disconnect, so even when it did happen it wasn't
    more than a momentary annoyance.

    I never had good and fast dial-up modem connections due to crappy copper
    phone lines and far away to central offices (COs). I couldn't even get
    DSL. Not even IDSL.


    Maybe it was more of an issue on the Apple ][; I really don't
    remember. It may or may not have had error-correction; I have no idea
    as to the specs or capability of the modem I used. (I dont' even know
    the brand). But, I think, between the wonderousness of just being
    able to connect to another computer, and the fact that I didn't make
    much use of the thing, I've no recollection as to how often I had to
    redial because my connection got unceremoniously dumped whilst
    browsing some BBS. It may have happened -it probably did- but it
    didn't stick with me as some tremendous disadvantage.

    Honestly, given the limited capability of the Apple ][, the computer
    probably froze long before the line noise had a chance to kill any connection. ;-)

    I never had dial-up for my Apple //c. I got an internal Zoom (Hayes
    compatible) 2400 modem for my IBM PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC. It was
    Prodigy (still remember my TGSV85B ID) and BBSes. :)
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Oct 12 02:17:50 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    ...
    We had an acoustic coupler for awhile. I think I could type faster than
    it sent letters.

    That's like 300 speed. ;)

    Depends on how fast you can type :-)
    300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists.

    I hunt and peck on smartphones since I have to have one hand hold it and while other hand type!


    And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of
    games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit
    slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for
    downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the
    original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day). >>> Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and
    that would be it for the night ;-)

    Yeah, but you had those evil line noises!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No, you didn't. Most modems supported the AT M0 command, which turned
    off the speaker from the start. It was one of the first AT commands I learned, and boy howdy did I make sure every AT string I used included
    it! That squeal people associate with the dial-up era of the Internet?

    I never heard it.

    Then you were never properly IN the dial-up era of the Internet!!

    Let's fix that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xalTFH5ht-k :)
    It's funny to read the auto text (subtitle/closed captioning)s. :D

    Speaking of action games, what games did you play over dial-up? For me,
    Duke3D, DOOM, Heretic, BattleZone, MotoRacer, Diablo, Warcraft, Quake, etc.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Mike S on Fri Oct 18 20:30:06 2024
    Mike S <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote at 12:59 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 13:30:27 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Binaries?

    Binaries are definitely still a thing on Usenet and it is safer then torrents. But I am more curious as to why anyone significantly younger
    then me would come to Usenet for messaging groups though.


    maybe bc I dont rly have friends irl lol
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