• Re: The GOG/Amazon Link

    From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Dec 17 11:38:42 2024
    On 16/12/2024 22:54, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    But I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. After all, some random
    employee at Valve once said that if Steam ever went down, they'd make
    it so we could all download and play our games without worrying about
    the DRM, and I'm sure they'll honor this statement, despite it never
    showing up in any of their license agreements and it being legally and technically dubious that they could even DO that sort of thing. So who
    cares if we have hundreds of games locked behind a Steam paywall and
    the company goes under. We'll be fine 😉

    I do remember that statement and although I think it should be
    technically possibly to either bypass or emulate Steam's DRM (obviously
    not 3rd party DRM) I'd be more concerned that Gabe is made an offer he
    can't refuse or if they are going down the tubes are they really going
    to make the company worse off financial.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 17 12:36:48 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 13:49:54 -0500, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 13:29:50 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson >><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    What do you think. Am I jumping at shadows? Would you welcome an >>>Amazon/GOG merger? And is it pronounced Gog or gee-oh-gee, anyway?

    My entire GOG library is backed up twice. So, I do not care what
    happens to GOG. I think I have every old game I want from GOG already.
    Get back to me when Steam may be in trouble. Then you will have my
    ear.

    Well, Steam may be in trouble too.

    Valve is currently being sued by a publisher over its 30% take, with
    the publisher (no, not Epic; it's a small Indie dev called "Wolfire") >claiming it can only demand so much because Steam has a monopoly over
    PC gaming sales. A judge recently ruled that the case can be broadened
    into a class action against Valve, which opens the company up to a lot
    more liability, including any US company that's partnered with Valve
    since 2017. Worse, new evidence about Valve's agreements doesn't show
    Valve in a good light.

    Now, I personally think that the 30% cut isn't too bad, considering
    what Steam brings to the table. Although a lot of people point to
    Epic's and Microsoft's 12% and 20% take on sales, they also offer many
    fewer features, ranging from user reviews, built-in workshop,
    streaming, and support for popular hardware such as Valve Index and >SteamDeck. Add into that the huge audience Steam attracts, and as a
    developer your'e getting a lot more bang for your buck by selling
    through Steam than you are elsewhere.

    This is the same kind of thing as those brand-x rap/hip-hop artists, who
    write a song, then partner with Rhianna or other big name.
    Big name gets a writing credit and thus residuals, but unknown sells a
    hell of a lot more copies.

    Half of a million sales vs all of 1000.

    That said, if the primary reason Steam can demand more money is
    because developers don't really have a choice due to its monopoly
    status and not because that 30% is going to offset Valve's costs, then
    it doesn't matter how good the platform is. And there does seem to be
    some evidence that Valve is keeping prices artificially high just
    because they can. Which could be quite troublesome for the company -to
    the tunes of billions of dollars- if they're forced not only to cut
    back on their rates, but also pay back some (or all!) of the partners
    they've been gouging since 2017.

    And honestly, it's not a good time for this to be happening to Valve.
    While Steam may have the vast majority of PC game sales, there are a
    lot of compeitors waiting in the wings to take up the slack if Steam
    goes down. And it's not just the obvious names like GOG, Epic, UPlay
    or EA Origin. Streaming companies are ready to take their place in the >industry, with companies like Amazon and Netflix pushing hard to
    become major players. Meanwhile, more and more people are moving to
    mobile. Valve, meanwhile, has mostly been treading water for the past
    decade, and I'm not sure it's really ready to compete against such
    powerful entities.

    I would not be surprised if Amazon or Netflix was funding this suit.

    So Steam isn't in trouble TODAY. But it's future isn't as secure as it
    once seemed.

    But I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. After all, some random
    employee at Valve once said that if Steam ever went down, they'd make
    it so we could all download and play our games without worrying about
    the DRM, and I'm sure they'll honor this statement, despite it never
    showing up in any of their license agreements and it being legally and >technically dubious that they could even DO that sort of thing. So who
    cares if we have hundreds of games locked behind a Steam paywall and
    the company goes under. We'll be fine ;-)

    Not a Monopoly in any sense really, they don't control the market, they
    don't control the pricing
    They were just the first one into it, and that gave them a massive
    advantage, in a market ignored by everyone else, but there are
    alternatives now and you can still go and sell elsewhere if you want.

    This Wolfire bunch want to have their cake and eat it too.

    To be on Steam for the exposure, but sell it cheaper elsewhere so they
    get more money and cut Valve out.

    I doubt we have anything to worry about.

    Xocyll

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Dec 17 12:31:48 2024
    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 13:29:50 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    What do you think. Am I jumping at shadows?

    Yes.

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    This is csipg.rpg - reality is off topic. ...G. Quinn ('08)

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Dec 17 12:50:48 2024
    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 17:54:45 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Now, I personally think that the 30% cut isn't too bad

    Exactly. Let's see how much it costs for each pub to maintain a fast, international CDN.

    It would be like not paying the CD/DVD fab.

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    Zag

    This is csipg.rpg - reality is off topic. ...G. Quinn ('08)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed Dec 18 10:32:02 2024
    On 17/12/2024 14:43, Justisaur wrote:
    * reminder: _never_ trust a corporation. They are not your friends.
    Even the ones that do things you like.


    Too true.

    I agree they aren't but I do view companies who sit more in the camp of
    what's beneficial to both parties instead of what's beneficial to us as
    a company and will at least be tolerated by customers after they've
    spent two weeks with their pitch forks and torches out rather differently.

    Unfortunately the former seem to pretty rare nowadays with everything
    geared towards keeping shareholders happy regardless of whether that
    means screwing over customers.

    Steam I think lean towards the former so you see say quite a few search/discovery features shipped from Steam labs. That's good for Steam
    to help ship games but also for me as it make it's easier to find games
    I want to play. If I contrast that with say Amazon, well I'm struggling
    to think of changes they've made me think oh that's a nice feature to have.

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