• [OT] It's Xmas - time for new gaming PC, advice please

    From Geeknix@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 1 13:00:04 2024
    As the subject suggests, I'm looking to build a gaming PC for my son, a combined birthday and Christmas gift. I don't have a budget, but "her in
    doors" has, so basically I do have a budget!

    Looking for a PC that will last a while without having to upgrade, can
    manage 2k graphics, and enough storage for his growing library. If I
    could smuggle install MSFS2020 that would be a bonus.

    I am thinking for our budget that AMD5 might offer more future proofing
    than LGA1700. 8Tb HDD seems a lot cheaper than 10Tb. Other
    considerations is I am in Malaysia, access to brands is a bit harder.
    Local shops are recommending Zotac GPU, or prices vary.

    I tried to build the same machine as recommended by a local shop here:

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kthRJn

    I tried to swap out the parts for brands I am aware of and tweak a few
    things:

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2Ptgn

    I would really appreciate anyone can have a quick review, I believe most
    here are more experienced gamers than myself! Apologies if the request
    for your time is cheeky or against the group rules. Thanks in advance.

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 1 09:20:40 2024
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2Ptgn

    I'd prefer you get a larger 32" monitor, and at that size a slight curve
    is beneficial. Here's one that looks attractive: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-32-curved-gaming-monitor-s3222dgm/apd/210-azzr/monitors-monitor-accessories
    This model happens to be on sale now, but of course look for reviews first
    for caveats. Don't shy away from a bigger monitor if you haven't used one before, it’s the one part that makes the largest and most lasting impression in an upgrade.

    rms

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 1 09:48:41 2024
    Also, you might want to reconsider the gpu purchase and wait just a bit
    longer. This video goes over the rationale for waiting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBTJG6cU7lY

    rms

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Dec 1 09:45:01 2024
    On 12/1/2024 9:08 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    You are buying right on the cusp of the
    next-gen 5xxx GPUs coming out though, so as soon as you get the PC its
    going to be outdated ;-)

    _That_ has been basically the case for many years now with the "Next Generation" of some component or another.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to rms on Sun Dec 1 09:41:43 2024
    On 12/1/2024 8:20 AM, rms wrote:
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2Ptgn

      I'd prefer you get a larger 32" monitor, and at that size a slight
    curve is beneficial.  Here's one that looks attractive: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-32-curved-gaming-monitor-s3222dgm/ apd/210-azzr/monitors-monitor-accessories
    This model happens to be on sale now, but of course look for reviews
    first for caveats.  Don't shy away from a bigger monitor if you haven't
    used one before, it’s the one part that makes the largest and most
    lasting impression in an upgrade.

    Depending on prices two monitors might be cheaper while providing more
    actual screen space. But that depends a lot on how many
    windows/programs you commonly have running at one time. I have a pair
    of 27" monitors and at times will have more than half-a-dozen various
    windows open that I am actively doing something on.

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  • From Geeknix@21:1/5 to rms on Thu Dec 5 12:00:08 2024
    On 2024-12-01, rms <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote: >>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2Ptgn

    I'd prefer you get a larger 32" monitor, and at that size a slight curve is beneficial. Here's one that looks attractive: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-32-curved-gaming-monitor-s3222dgm/apd/210-azzr/monitors-monitor-accessories
    This model happens to be on sale now, but of course look for reviews first for caveats. Don't shy away from a bigger monitor if you haven't used one before, it’s the one part that makes the largest and most lasting impression
    in an upgrade.

    I like the size also, 32" was just my first choice, but the price put me
    off. Maybe I should look at VA panels if they work out a bit cheaper
    than IPS.

    I might stretch to a 32" seems to be worth the bit extra.

    For gaming do you have a preference between VA or IPS?

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  • From Geeknix@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Dec 5 12:00:06 2024
    On 2024-12-01, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 01 Dec 2024 13:00:04 GMT, Geeknix
    <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> wrote:
    I tried to swap out the parts for brands I am aware of and tweak a few >>things:

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2Ptgn

    I would really appreciate anyone can have a quick review, I believe most >>here are more experienced gamers than myself! Apologies if the request
    for your time is cheeky or against the group rules. Thanks in advance.

    Some immediate thoughts:

    - Fully modular power supplies are neat, but unless you really tinker, they're generally not worth the premium over non-modular power
    supplies. How often are you going to be plugging and unplugging
    peripherals? The fifty bucks you save can get put to something more
    useful...

    Thanks for hanging around, I have been away on business, tried to post
    from Thunderbird portable. I don't see my replies here so I guess it
    didn't work!

    Thanks for this tip, will consider a partial PSU, I am just concerned
    about cooling, since the shops suggested liquid cooling. Were in my
    build I have swapped liquid cooling for a top range fan.

    -... like adding a second (or larger) SSD. 1TB goes fast with games.
    Fully installed (e.g., base game plus all free add-ons), MS Flight Sim
    2020 takes 220GB all on its own (plus more for cache). And you _do_
    feel a difference playing that game on SSD versus HDD.

    I was originally think of 2 x 1Tb SSDs, one for OS and AAA games, the
    second for flight sim, then spinning rust for all the less demanding
    games he likes to play. My last build worked out cheaper with 1x2Tb SSD.
    I might try sim on the HDD.

    - I'm sure this is subjective, but I also prefer Samsung SSDs to
    Toshiba. I've just had better experience with the latter brand.

    I almost always buy Samsung or Kingston.

    - Surprisingly (at least according to the specs sheet), the spinning
    rust HDD you picked is CMR and not WD's usual SMR bullshit (which
    slows down write performance). Be careful with picking hard-drives
    since larger capacity drives usually accomplish this by using shingled magnetic recording. If speed is a consideration, you want conventional magnetic recording.

    Haha that was luck, I just searched for gaming optimised HDD and
    WD_BLACK came out top.

    (That said, I'd just buy a cheaper and spinning-rust drive for data
    storage and spend the savings on that second .M2 SSD).

    - I don't have any issue with Zotac as a brand for the GPU. For a
    while they were a bit dodgy but their QA has definitely improved over
    the years. I was always a fan of EVGA but since they ducked out of the industry they're not an option. The 4070 is a capable card and has
    headroom for several years of gaming, even if it isn't highest-end.
    It's /more/ than capable of running pretty much every game out there
    at maxed out settings. You are buying right on the cusp of the
    next-gen 5xxx GPUs coming out though, so as soon as you get the PC its
    going to be outdated ;-)

    That is good to know. I just wasn't sure whether to deviate from the
    standard GPU providers.

    Other than that, looks like a nice build (except... what, no mouse?).
    If you want, you can buy two and give one to me ;-)

    He'll have to use what he has already for keyboard, mouse and
    headphones. They can be next year.

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  • From Geeknix@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Thu Dec 5 12:30:05 2024
    On 2024-12-01, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 12/1/2024 8:20 AM, rms wrote:
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2Ptgn

      I'd prefer you get a larger 32" monitor, and at that size a slight
    curve is beneficial.  Here's one that looks attractive:
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-32-curved-gaming-monitor-s3222dgm/
    apd/210-azzr/monitors-monitor-accessories
    This model happens to be on sale now, but of course look for reviews
    first for caveats.  Don't shy away from a bigger monitor if you haven't
    used one before, it’s the one part that makes the largest and most
    lasting impression in an upgrade.

    Depending on prices two monitors might be cheaper while providing more
    actual screen space. But that depends a lot on how many
    windows/programs you commonly have running at one time. I have a pair
    of 27" monitors and at times will have more than half-a-dozen various
    windows open that I am actively doing something on.

    For productivity I would certainly consider multiple separate monitors.
    Easier to snap applications to monitors or online meeting you can select
    one monitor to share all apps, then drag into that monitor any app you
    want to show.

    For gaming (not flight sim) I am leaning towards 1 larger monitor for
    his AAA FPS.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to usenet@apple.geeknix135.net on Thu Dec 5 08:56:01 2024
    On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 12:00:08 GMT, Geeknix
    <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> wrote:

    For gaming do you have a preference between VA or IPS?

    Don't gamers prefer TN displays due to response time?

    I prefer IPS displays as color pops on these screens in a way that
    they don't on other displays. At least from what I have seen.

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to usenet@apple.geeknix135.net on Thu Dec 5 15:42:17 2024
    Geeknix <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> wrote:
    Haha that was luck, I just searched for gaming optimised HDD and
    WD_BLACK came out top.

    There's no such thing as a gaming optimized hard drive. Get the WD
    Blue 8TB drive instead. It's also a CMR drive, you just save money by
    getting a blue sticker instead of a black one.

    You really don't want to be playing games off a hard drive anyways
    these days. It's fine for older games and smaller ones, but most new
    games list an SSD as a requirement. You can use the hard drive to
    store the games you're not playing though, as Steam makes it easy to
    move installed games from one drive to another.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Geeknix on Thu Dec 5 15:50:04 2024
    Geeknix <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> wrote at 12:30 this Thursday (GMT):
    On 2024-12-01, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 12/1/2024 8:20 AM, rms wrote:
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2Ptgn

      I'd prefer you get a larger 32" monitor, and at that size a slight
    curve is beneficial.  Here's one that looks attractive:
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-32-curved-gaming-monitor-s3222dgm/
    apd/210-azzr/monitors-monitor-accessories
    This model happens to be on sale now, but of course look for reviews
    first for caveats.  Don't shy away from a bigger monitor if you haven't >>> used one before, it’s the one part that makes the largest and most
    lasting impression in an upgrade.

    Depending on prices two monitors might be cheaper while providing more
    actual screen space. But that depends a lot on how many
    windows/programs you commonly have running at one time. I have a pair
    of 27" monitors and at times will have more than half-a-dozen various
    windows open that I am actively doing something on.

    For productivity I would certainly consider multiple separate monitors. Easier to snap applications to monitors or online meeting you can select
    one monitor to share all apps, then drag into that monitor any app you
    want to show.

    For gaming (not flight sim) I am leaning towards 1 larger monitor for
    his AAA FPS.


    2 Monitors is pretty useful, even if it is technically an external
    monitor and laptop screen.
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Geeknix on Thu Dec 5 08:03:48 2024
    On 12/5/2024 4:30 AM, Geeknix wrote:
    On 2024-12-01, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 12/1/2024 8:20 AM, rms wrote:
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2Ptgn

      I'd prefer you get a larger 32" monitor, and at that size a slight
    curve is beneficial.  Here's one that looks attractive:
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-32-curved-gaming-monitor-s3222dgm/
    apd/210-azzr/monitors-monitor-accessories
    This model happens to be on sale now, but of course look for reviews
    first for caveats.  Don't shy away from a bigger monitor if you haven't >>> used one before, it’s the one part that makes the largest and most
    lasting impression in an upgrade.

    Depending on prices two monitors might be cheaper while providing more
    actual screen space. But that depends a lot on how many
    windows/programs you commonly have running at one time. I have a pair
    of 27" monitors and at times will have more than half-a-dozen various
    windows open that I am actively doing something on.

    For productivity I would certainly consider multiple separate monitors. Easier to snap applications to monitors or online meeting you can select
    one monitor to share all apps, then drag into that monitor any app you
    want to show.

    For gaming (not flight sim) I am leaning towards 1 larger monitor for
    his AAA FPS.

    If the machine he's interested in building is going to be "only" or
    almost exclusively a gaming rig I agree (basically an overgrown console
    :D ), a second monitor isn't necessary.

    But everything is subject to mission drift. Even putting away the
    laundry. ;)

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  • From Geeknix@21:1/5 to Ross Ridge on Fri Dec 6 13:00:04 2024
    On 2024-12-05, Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
    Geeknix <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> wrote:
    Haha that was luck, I just searched for gaming optimised HDD and
    WD_BLACK came out top.

    There's no such thing as a gaming optimized hard drive. Get the WD
    Blue 8TB drive instead. It's also a CMR drive, you just save money by getting a blue sticker instead of a black one.

    I see, hmm, wonder why I see so much discussion on the topic. I'll check
    out the basic stats between WD_BLACK and Blue versions.

    You really don't want to be playing games off a hard drive anyways
    these days. It's fine for older games and smaller ones, but most new
    games list an SSD as a requirement.

    Good tip, I'll check requirements when deciding the drive to install on.
    He has a lot of older games, or things like Ravenfield, Minecraft,
    slower moving games.

    You can use the hard drive to
    store the games you're not playing though, as Steam makes it easy to
    move installed games from one drive to another.

    Another good tip thanks. Never thought of that, it would certainly make swapping AAA games around faster.


    EVERYONE WHO GAVE ADVICE ON MONITORS:

    I wish I could afford two monitors, two 27" or two 32" would be epic. Unfortunately, I can afford only one 27" or maybe can stretch to 32".
    Another upgrade added to Wishlist.


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Geeknix on Fri Dec 6 07:29:46 2024
    On 12/6/2024 5:00 AM, Geeknix wrote:
    On 2024-12-05, Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
    Geeknix <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> wrote:
    Haha that was luck, I just searched for gaming optimised HDD and
    WD_BLACK came out top.

    There's no such thing as a gaming optimized hard drive. Get the WD
    Blue 8TB drive instead. It's also a CMR drive, you just save money by
    getting a blue sticker instead of a black one.

    I see, hmm, wonder why I see so much discussion on the topic. I'll check
    out the basic stats between WD_BLACK and Blue versions.

    You really don't want to be playing games off a hard drive anyways
    these days. It's fine for older games and smaller ones, but most new
    games list an SSD as a requirement.

    Good tip, I'll check requirements when deciding the drive to install on.
    He has a lot of older games, or things like Ravenfield, Minecraft,
    slower moving games.

    You can use the hard drive to
    store the games you're not playing though, as Steam makes it easy to
    move installed games from one drive to another.

    Another good tip thanks. Never thought of that, it would certainly make swapping AAA games around faster.


    EVERYONE WHO GAVE ADVICE ON MONITORS:

    I wish I could afford two monitors, two 27" or two 32" would be epic. Unfortunately, I can afford only one 27" or maybe can stretch to 32".
    Another upgrade added to Wishlist.

    Advice like that is always divorced from real world economics. :)

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 6 08:36:46 2024
    For gaming do you have a preference between VA or IPS?
    I prefer IPS displays as color pops on these screens in a way that
    they don't on other displays. At least from what I have seen.

    I went for VA, but have no experience with IPS, so my opinion doesn't
    count for much. Some complain about 'smearing' with VA but can't say I'm
    aware of any, and I do like the black levels, which are good for movies in particular.

    rms

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Sun Dec 8 11:24:49 2024
    On 07/12/2024 16:00, Justisaur wrote:
    On 12/6/2024 5:00 AM, Geeknix wrote:
    On 2024-12-05, Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
    Geeknix  <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> wrote:
    Haha that was luck, I just searched for gaming optimised HDD and
    WD_BLACK came out top.

    There's no such thing as a gaming optimized hard drive.  Get the WD
    Blue 8TB drive instead.  It's also a CMR drive, you just save money by
    getting a blue sticker instead of a black one.

    I see, hmm, wonder why I see so much discussion on the topic. I'll check
    out the basic stats between WD_BLACK and Blue versions.

    You really don't want to be playing games off a hard drive anyways
    these days.  It's fine for older games and smaller ones, but most new
    games list an SSD as a requirement.

    Good tip, I'll check requirements when deciding the drive to install on.
    He has a lot of older games, or things like Ravenfield, Minecraft,
    slower moving games.

    If you do go SSD, see if the board has an m.2 slot, as those are between
    2-5x faster than a 2.5" SSD and cost barely any more now.  I'd try not
    to buy any that are really off brand as I've been having a lot of
    trouble with the ones HP especially but to some extent Dell and Lenovo
    are putting in that have brands that I've never heard of.

    2tb is fine if you don't mind uninstalling larger games now and again. I don't know that I'd get any lower than that as some games can be very
    large, and between the os and a couple really big games you'd fill up a 1tb.  Definately not a 500gb or lower though.

    You can use the hard drive to
    store the games you're not playing though, as Steam makes it easy to
    move installed games from one drive to another.

    Another good tip thanks. Never thought of that, it would certainly make
    swapping AAA games around faster.


    EVERYONE WHO GAVE ADVICE ON MONITORS:

    I wish I could afford two monitors, two 27" or two 32" would be epic.
    Unfortunately, I can afford only one 27" or maybe can stretch to 32".
    Another upgrade added to Wishlist.

    Personally I don't care much for 27" for gaming if it's within the about
    4-5' mine is, you can't really focus on everything well.

    Even a second very cheap smaller monitor - especially if it can be
    rotated to portrait can be very handy when playing to look stuff up, or
    just half watch something else.


    I have a 24" monitor and although I have thought about going for a
    larger size ultimately I think what do I practically get out of it
    beyond that's cool for about two weeks before I've got used to it and no
    longer really notice. I put 4k gaming in the same category - why spend
    the money for something that will have no practical effect on improving
    my gaming experience.

    For other tasks, I just don't see the need for it and nor do I really
    have the space on my little desk. The few times I do think another
    screen would be useful I just use my iPad and a book-stand.

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