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On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters.I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshiá <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being
installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. Never >>>>>> let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican >>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released.á Maybe even during the time >>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser extent >>>>> the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy.
I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D.á BADD was
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind.á Jack Chick was >>>> was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like
that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time,
is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e *Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup."
So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 17:50:34 -0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters.I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being >>>>>>> installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. Never >>>>>>> let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican >>>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released. Maybe even during the time >>>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser extent >>>>>> the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy.
I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D. BADD was
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind. Jack Chick was >>>>> was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like
that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time, >>> is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e *Deities >>> & Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup."
So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
LOL. No, ethnically Irish. At the time we had Irish and Italian Catholics
in America. She was definitely an American.
On 11/16/2024 5:42 AM, Zaghadka wrote:
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 17:50:34 -0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,I meant the whole "D&D is a satanic cult" thing was American, not that playing D&D was only American.
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters. >>>>I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D. BADD was
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being >>>>>>>> installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. Never >>>>>>>> let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican >>>>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released. Maybe even during the time >>>>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser extent
the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy. >>>>>>
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind. Jack Chick was >>>>>> was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like >>>>> that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time, >>>> is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e *Deities >>>> & Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup." >>>> So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
LOL. No, ethnically Irish. At the time we had Irish and Italian Catholics
in America. She was definitely an American.
On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters.I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being
installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. Never >>>>>> let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican >>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released. Maybe even during the time >>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser
extent
the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy.
I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D. BADD was
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind. Jack Chick was >>>> was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like
that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time,
is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e *Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup."
So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters.I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being >>>>>>> installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades.
Never
let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican >>>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released. Maybe even during the time >>>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser
extent
the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy.
I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D. BADD was
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind. Jack Chick >>>>> was
was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like
that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time, >>> is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e
*Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup."
So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
the truth from the water elemental. I've noticed this in some Dungeon Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory. Not one
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people? I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiateAll I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time, >>> is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1eI'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
*Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup."
So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
the truth from the water elemental. I've noticed this in some Dungeon Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory. Not one
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people? I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
But it's America; what do you expect?
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:31:43 -0600, Jhulian Waldby
<wichitajayhawks@msn.com> wrote:
I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate
the truth from the water elemental. I've noticed this in some Dungeon >>Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory. Not one
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Tabletop RPG afficiandos always point to 'rule zero: the DM has
ultimate say in what goes, overriding even what the books say.' But
few acknowledge that there is --or should be-- a rule -1: the goal of
the game is to have fun. And if you, as DM, are pissing off your
players, you've broken the most fundamental rule of the game. ;-)
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people? I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
Almost entirely people who had not only never played the game, but had
never even read the books.
Usually small-minded hypocrites who themselves have such difficulty >discerning fantasy from reality that they need an authority (usually >religious in nature) to tell them the difference and can't imagine any
one else not being so restricted in their thinking.
Yes, these people existed, and they still exist; I had somebody
confront me on the game's supposed Satanic connections just a few
years ago. They're far less common (and, as mentioned, almost entirely
an American construct) but they're still around. And it's not just D&D
they have a hate for; Harry Potter, Twilight, tarot cards... it's all >burnable to them.
But it's America; what do you expect?
On 11/18/2024 5:31 PM, Jhulian Waldby wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters. >>>>I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshiá <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D.á BADD was
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being >>>>>>>> installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. >>>>>>>> Never
let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican >>>>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released.á Maybe even during the time >>>>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser >>>>>>> extent
the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy. >>>>>>
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind.á Jack Chick >>>>>> was
was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like >>>>> that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time, >>>> is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e
*Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup." >>>> So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
the truth from the water elemental.á I've noticed this in some Dungeon
Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory.á Not one
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people?á I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
Something about some group of teenagers wandering around in the New York >subway tunnels comes to mind.
The Satanism thing was Jack Chick; https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/25/jack-chick-christian- comic-cartoonist-death
A snippet: "A lot of people hated Jack Chick. He wrote furious screeds against Dungeons & Dragons, against Catholicism and against rock music;
he waged a long and ultimately unsuccessful war on Halloween. If you
were Jewish or Muslim or gay, Chick wanted you to be saved from the
fires of hell and wrote a comic to tell you so."
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:31:43 -0600, Jhulian Waldby
<wichitajayhawks@msn.com> wrote:
I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate
the truth from the water elemental. I've noticed this in some Dungeon
Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory. Not one
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Tabletop RPG afficiandos always point to 'rule zero: the DM has
ultimate say in what goes, overriding even what the books say.' But
few acknowledge that there is --or should be-- a rule -1: the goal of
the game is to have fun. And if you, as DM, are pissing off your
players, you've broken the most fundamental rule of the game. ;-)
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people? I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
Almost entirely people who had not only never played the game, but had
never even read the books.
Usually small-minded hypocrites who themselves have such difficulty
discerning fantasy from reality that they need an authority (usually
religious in nature) to tell them the difference and can't imagine any
one else not being so restricted in their thinking.
Yes, these people existed, and they still exist; I had somebody
confront me on the game's supposed Satanic connections just a few
years ago. They're far less common (and, as mentioned, almost entirely
an American construct) but they're still around. And it's not just D&D
they have a hate for; Harry Potter, Twilight, tarot cards... it's all
burnable to them.
But it's America; what do you expect?
America, a nation founded by people who were kicked out of England for
being too uptight for the Puritans.
On 11/19/2024 5:32 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:31:43 -0600, Jhulian Waldby
<wichitajayhawks@msn.com> wrote:
I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate
the truth from the water elemental. I've noticed this in some Dungeon
Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory. Not one
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Tabletop RPG afficiandos always point to 'rule zero: the DM has
ultimate say in what goes, overriding even what the books say.' But
few acknowledge that there is --or should be-- a rule -1: the goal of
the game is to have fun. And if you, as DM, are pissing off your
players, you've broken the most fundamental rule of the game. ;-)
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people? I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
Almost entirely people who had not only never played the game, but had
never even read the books.
Usually small-minded hypocrites who themselves have such difficulty
discerning fantasy from reality that they need an authority (usually
religious in nature) to tell them the difference and can't imagine any
one else not being so restricted in their thinking.
Yes, these people existed, and they still exist; I had somebody
confront me on the game's supposed Satanic connections just a few
years ago. They're far less common (and, as mentioned, almost entirely
an American construct) but they're still around. And it's not just D&D
they have a hate for; Harry Potter, Twilight, tarot cards... it's all
burnable to them.
Ah, Harry Potter recently has gotten into their good graces as JKR
decided to come out hard against trans women. All of a sudden the
previous arguments against HP were forgotten and witchcraft now is A-OK.
On 11/19/2024 10:27 AM, JAB wrote:
On 19/11/2024 01:31, Jhulian Waldby wrote:
I guess the concern is that players may become unable toAll I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19thI'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
time,
is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e
*Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all
"Yup."
So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
differentiate the truth from the water elemental. I've noticed this
in some Dungeon Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics
laboratory. Not one hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a
rule for that."
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people? I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
I did read a 'discussion' in I think White Dwarf many, many years ago
about whether sharp weapons should do half damage on skeletons based
on whether they had an 'energy body' keeping everything together. My
thoughts were who cares either way as long as the game world is
internally consistent.
I play Call of Cthulhu and someone decided to rewrite the firearms
damage to reflect muzzle velocities and projectile weight. Was it more
realistic, yes but they had made it so that instead of combat just
being dangerous, and best avoided where possible, it was outright
deadly and one hit is time to roll a new character.
I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, if they think it's a good idea for
their game and their players like it...
On the other hand I also feel one-hit kills might be driving players off.
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 15:23:25 -0500, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the >>entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 11/18/2024 5:31 PM, Jhulian Waldby wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate >>>> the truth from the water elemental.á I've noticed this in some Dungeon >>>> Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory.á Not one
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters. >>>>>>I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>>>>> Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time, >>>>>> is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshiá <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D.á BADD was
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being >>>>>>>>>> installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. >>>>>>>>>> Never
let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican >>>>>>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released.á Maybe even during the time >>>>>>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser >>>>>>>>> extent
the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy. >>>>>>>>
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind.á Jack Chick >>>>>>>> was
was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like >>>>>>> that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the >>>>>>> middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the >>>>>>> Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe. >>>>>>
*Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup." >>>>>> So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people?á I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
Something about some group of teenagers wandering around in the New York >>>subway tunnels comes to mind.
That's Rona Jaffe's Mazes & Monsters.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084314/
The Satanism thing was Jack Chick; >>https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/25/jack-chick-christian-comic-cartoonist-death
A snippet: "A lot of people hated Jack Chick. He wrote furious screeds >>against Dungeons & Dragons, against Catholicism and against rock music;
he waged a long and ultimately unsuccessful war on Halloween. If you
were Jewish or Muslim or gay, Chick wanted you to be saved from the
fires of hell and wrote a comic to tell you so."
A collection of his lunacy; >>https://www.chick.com/products/category?type=tracts
Specifically for D&D
https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=46&ue=d
Xocyll
I mean, it wasn't _only_ Jack Chick. The American 'Satanic Panic'
thing was fairly wide-spread even before D&D; believers pointed to
comic books, movies, rock'n'roll and all sorts of entertainment as
malefic influences on the youth. D&D was a sort of easy target because
one of its rulebooks featured a demonic idol on its cover. But of any
one person could be pointed to as the driving force for the 'D&D is a
tool of Satan", it's probably Patricia Pulling, nominal private
investigator, author of "The Devil's Web" and founder of BADD
('Bothered About Dungeons & Dragons', an anti-satanism campaign that >specifically targeted tabletop RPGs).
Chick was an end-times baptist nutjob who wrote a lot of corny and >logically-inconsistent morality plays in the form of comic strips
which reflected his very weird beliefs, of which 'Dark Dungeons' was
only one of many. As far as I can tell, it came out in the mid 80s,
some years after Pulling founded BADD and after the height of the
Satanic Panic frenzy.
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:11:40 +0100, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, Harry Potter recently has gotten into their good graces as JKR
decided to come out hard against trans women. All of a sudden the
previous arguments against HP were forgotten and witchcraft now is A-OK.
You'll have to tell that then to people like Greg Locke (a Tennesee
Pastor) who is still calling for the Harry Potter books to be burnt.
He was doing so long after Rowling's anti-trans views were known.
There's probably more people in the US who still believe in the
'Satanic Panic' than use of Usenet worldwide. There's a lot of very
backwards people there.
(the US, that is, and not Usenet. Although maybe Usenet too ;-)
On 11/18/2024 11:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Probably, that tracks with how American christians are sometimes.
There are few things as confusing as talking to an American Lutheran as
a European Lutheran.
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 15:23:25 -0500, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the >>entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 11/18/2024 5:31 PM, Jhulian Waldby wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/15/2024 12:37 PM, Zaghadka wrote:I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate >>>> the truth from the water elemental.á I've noticed this in some Dungeon >>>> Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory.á Not one
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters. >>>>>>I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>>>>> Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time, >>>>>> is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshiá <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D.á BADD was
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being >>>>>>>>>> installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. >>>>>>>>>> Never
let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican >>>>>>>>> long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released.á Maybe even during the time >>>>>>>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser >>>>>>>>> extent
the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy. >>>>>>>>
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind.á Jack Chick >>>>>>>> was
was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like >>>>>>> that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the >>>>>>> middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the >>>>>>> Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe. >>>>>>
*Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup." >>>>>> So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people?á I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
Something about some group of teenagers wandering around in the New York >>>subway tunnels comes to mind.
That's Rona Jaffe's Mazes & Monsters.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084314/
The Satanism thing was Jack Chick; >>https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/25/jack-chick-christian-comic-cartoonist-death
A snippet: "A lot of people hated Jack Chick. He wrote furious screeds >>against Dungeons & Dragons, against Catholicism and against rock music;
he waged a long and ultimately unsuccessful war on Halloween. If you
were Jewish or Muslim or gay, Chick wanted you to be saved from the
fires of hell and wrote a comic to tell you so."
A collection of his lunacy; >>https://www.chick.com/products/category?type=tracts
Specifically for D&D
https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=46&ue=d
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I mean, it wasn't _only_ Jack Chick. The American 'Satanic Panic'
thing was fairly wide-spread even before D&D; believers pointed to
comic books, movies, rock'n'roll and all sorts of entertainment as
malefic influences on the youth. D&D was a sort of easy target because
one of its rulebooks featured a demonic idol on its cover. But of any
one person could be pointed to as the driving force for the 'D&D is a
tool of Satan", it's probably Patricia Pulling, nominal private
investigator, author of "The Devil's Web" and founder of BADD
('Bothered About Dungeons & Dragons', an anti-satanism campaign that >specifically targeted tabletop RPGs).
Chick was an end-times baptist nutjob who wrote a lot of corny and >logically-inconsistent morality plays in the form of comic strips
which reflected his very weird beliefs, of which 'Dark Dungeons' was
only one of many. As far as I can tell, it came out in the mid 80s,
some years after Pulling founded BADD and after the height of the
Satanic Panic frenzy.
On 11/19/2024 5:32 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:31:43 -0600, Jhulian Waldby
<wichitajayhawks@msn.com> wrote:
I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate
the truth from the water elemental. I've noticed this in some Dungeon
Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory. Not one
hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
Tabletop RPG afficiandos always point to 'rule zero: the DM has
ultimate say in what goes, overriding even what the books say.' But
few acknowledge that there is --or should be-- a rule -1: the goal of
the game is to have fun. And if you, as DM, are pissing off your
players, you've broken the most fundamental rule of the game. ;-)
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
Who were those people? I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
Almost entirely people who had not only never played the game, but had
never even read the books.
Usually small-minded hypocrites who themselves have such difficulty
discerning fantasy from reality that they need an authority (usually
religious in nature) to tell them the difference and can't imagine any
one else not being so restricted in their thinking.
Yes, these people existed, and they still exist; I had somebody
confront me on the game's supposed Satanic connections just a few
years ago. They're far less common (and, as mentioned, almost entirely
an American construct) but they're still around. And it's not just D&D
they have a hate for; Harry Potter, Twilight, tarot cards... it's all
burnable to them.
Ah, Harry Potter recently has gotten into their good graces as JKR
decided to come out hard against trans women. All of a sudden the
previous arguments against HP were forgotten and witchcraft now is A-OK.
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 13:29:33 -0600, Jhulian Waldby
<wichitajayhawks@msn.com> wrote:
Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/19/2024 10:27 AM, JAB wrote:This might be kind of digressive, but one of the few times I tried my
On 19/11/2024 01:31, Jhulian Waldby wrote:
I guess the concern is that players may become unable toAll I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th >>>>>>> time,I'm pretty sure it was an American phoneme.
is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e >>>>>>> *Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all >>>>>>> "Yup."
So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D. >>>>>>>
differentiate the truth from the water elemental.á I've noticed this >>>>> in some Dungeon Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics
laboratory.á Not one hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a
rule for that."
Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs. >>>>> That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons. >>>>>
Who were those people?á I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
I did read a 'discussion' in I think White Dwarf many, many years ago
about whether sharp weapons should do half damage on skeletons based
on whether they had an 'energy body' keeping everything together. My
thoughts were who cares either way as long as the game world is
internally consistent.
I play Call of Cthulhu and someone decided to rewrite the firearms
damage to reflect muzzle velocities and projectile weight. Was it more >>>> realistic, yes but they had made it so that instead of combat just
being dangerous, and best avoided where possible, it was outright
deadly and one hit is time to roll a new character.
I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, if they think it's a good idea for
their game and their players like it...
On the other hand I also feel one-hit kills might be driving players off. >>
hand at being DM, the party was fighting a colony of bats when one of
the guys asked, can't this go any faster? Is there a way to abbreviate >>combat for players that don't like to focus on that aspect of the game?
I felt silly sitting there enjoying it while they were more story-focused.
I just had a flashback to facing off against a roomful of mongbats in
Ultima V....
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshiá <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being
installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. Never
let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican
long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released.á Maybe even during the time
when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser extent >>> the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy.
I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D.á BADD was
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind.á Jack Chick was
was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like
that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
Top post. First off, please knock it off with the non ANSI characters.
I've never had so much trouble posting a reply.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:32:27 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Kyonshi wrote:
On 11/15/2024 1:11 AM, Justisaur wrote:
On 11/14/2024 10:55 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
At any rate, it is ironic see D&D go from Satanic Panic to being
installed somewhere in the Vatican in just a few short decades. Never >>>>> let anyone tell you who you are.
I'm sure D&D was played in some form in the precincts of the Vatican
long before Baldur's Gate 3 was released. Maybe even during the time >>>> when the Satanic Panic thing was raging in the US and to a lesser extent >>>> the rest of the English speaking world, but not so much in Italy.
I don't know that it was Catholics going after D&D. BADD was
popularized by evangelicals - specifically the TV kind. Jack Chick was >>> was some very weird offshoot of Baptist.
And I think D&D was too niche back then to even touch some area like
that (which is after all just the size of a small town, even in the
middle of a metropolis), especially as a lot of inhabitants of the
Vatican city are elder professionals.
One would have to look up when DnD was released in Italian maybe.
All I know, and excuse me if I'm repeating this story for the 19th time,
is that my Irish Catholic grandmother bought me a first print 1e *Deities
& Demigods* for freaking Easter. I asked for it, and she was all "Yup."
So no, I don't think her priest was railing against Satan in D&D.