• Re: Fun: Object Pascal on VMS

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Sep 6 19:35:19 2024
    On 9/6/2024 7:31 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 22:36:02 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    And to be clear then this work would have to be driven by fondness for
    Pascal. There is no business case.

    Back in the day, there was DECUS -- an active community of users creating/ adapting and collecting software for DEC systems, for each other to use.

    Where is that now?

    The artifacts from back then still exist.

    https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/

    The number of VMS users has decreased since then.

    The numbers of VMS users actively contributing has
    decreased even more since then.

    Arne

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 6 23:31:37 2024
    On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 22:36:02 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    And to be clear then this work would have to be driven by fondness for Pascal. There is no business case.

    Back in the day, there was DECUS -- an active community of users creating/ adapting and collecting software for DEC systems, for each other to use.

    Where is that now?

    If VSI or someone else want to port something on a commercial basis then
    I think the priority list should be:

    1) .NET with C#, F# and VB.NET

    Dotnet never seemed more than a Microsoft corporate vanity project (a
    reaction to Sun’s lawsuit over Java), rather than an actual important technology. Microsoft themselves have never used it for anything strategic (e.g. Office); their one attempt to incorporate it deeply into the OS
    (Vista) ended in failure.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Sep 6 19:38:58 2024
    On 9/6/2024 7:31 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 22:36:02 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    If VSI or someone else want to port something on a commercial basis then
    I think the priority list should be:

    1) .NET with C#, F# and VB.NET

    Dotnet never seemed more than a Microsoft corporate vanity project (a reaction to Sun’s lawsuit over Java), rather than an actual important technology. Microsoft themselves have never used it for anything strategic (e.g. Office); their one attempt to incorporate it deeply into the OS
    (Vista) ended in failure.

    When you last posted this (August 5th) I gave you a list of MS
    stuff known to be using .NET.

    A bit weird to repost again after that.

    Arne

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Dave Froble on Fri Sep 6 20:30:33 2024
    On 9/6/2024 8:19 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
    On 9/4/2024 3:29 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 9/3/2024 10:48 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
    On 9/3/2024 2:02 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    On 2024-09-03, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
    As for VMS and Pascal, there is a very decent implementation of that >>>>> language on
    VMS, so what's the problem when a product aimed at a different
    environment will
    not run on every environment.

    So how capable are the OO features in VMS Pascal these days ?

    You state that similar to my comment above, as if it is a given that
    OO is
    necessary.  Perhaps not.  Cheap way to avoid my question.

    If you write OS kernel or an embedded application for a device counting
    memory in KB (or maybe a few MB): it is not necessary.

    Ok, your word, "necessary".

    Explain to me why OO is necessary ...

    Not that it may be useful, or desired.  You wrote "necessary".

    They relate.

    If the customers consider a feature so useful/desired that it
    influence their product choice, then it becomes business necessary
    for the vendor to add that feature.

    Arne

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  • From Dave Froble@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 6 20:19:19 2024
    On 9/4/2024 3:29 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 9/3/2024 10:48 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
    On 9/3/2024 2:02 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    On 2024-09-03, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
    As for VMS and Pascal, there is a very decent implementation of that
    language on
    VMS, so what's the problem when a product aimed at a different environment will
    not run on every environment.

    So how capable are the OO features in VMS Pascal these days ?

    You state that similar to my comment above, as if it is a given that OO is >> necessary. Perhaps not. Cheap way to avoid my question.

    If you write OS kernel or an embedded application for a device counting memory in KB (or maybe a few MB): it is not necessary.

    Ok, your word, "necessary".

    Explain to me why OO is necessary ...

    Not that it may be useful, or desired. You wrote "necessary".


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  • From Dave Froble@21:1/5 to bill on Fri Sep 6 22:27:57 2024
    On 9/6/2024 9:13 PM, bill wrote:
    On 9/6/2024 8:19 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
    On 9/4/2024 3:29 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 9/3/2024 10:48 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
    On 9/3/2024 2:02 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    On 2024-09-03, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
    As for VMS and Pascal, there is a very decent implementation of that >>>>>> language on
    VMS, so what's the problem when a product aimed at a different environment
    will
    not run on every environment.

    So how capable are the OO features in VMS Pascal these days ?

    You state that similar to my comment above, as if it is a given that OO is >>>> necessary. Perhaps not. Cheap way to avoid my question.

    If you write OS kernel or an embedded application for a device counting
    memory in KB (or maybe a few MB): it is not necessary.

    Ok, your word, "necessary".

    Explain to me why OO is necessary ...

    Not that it may be useful, or desired. You wrote "necessary".



    Dave, you're wasting your time. The COBOL world asked that
    question and look what they did to them. :-)

    bill


    Still, someone has to mention it.

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