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Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now).
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing plant within a year or so.
Simon.
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
As has happened many times before then they changed their mind:
https://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2025/04/cisa-extends-mitre-backed- cve-contract-hours-its-lapse/404601/
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now).
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
As has happened many times before then they changed their mind:
https://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2025/04/cisa-extends-mitre-backed-cve-contract-hours-its-lapse/404601/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now).
I would hope that they have better criteria than whether you like Trump
or not.
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
As has happened many times before then they changed their mind:
https://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2025/04/cisa-extends-mitre-backed-cve-contract-hours-its-lapse/404601/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now).
I would hope that they have better criteria than whether you like Trump
or not.
Arne
On 4/16/2025 1:03 PM, Arne Vajh°j wrote:
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:As has happened many times before then they changed their mind:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/ >>
https://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2025/04/cisa-extends-mitre-backed-
cve-contract-hours-its-lapse/404601/
One earlier time was:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g3nrx1dq5o
On 4/16/2025 1:03 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:As has happened many times before then they changed their mind:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/ >>
https://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2025/04/cisa-extends-mitre-backed-cve-contract-hours-its-lapse/404601/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go
now).
I would hope that they have better criteria than whether you like Trump
or not.
Arne
You can hope, but I fear your hopes are doomed to fail.
On 2025-04-16, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public meansI would hope that they have better criteria than whether you like Trump
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now). >>
or not.
I'm afraid not. :-(
https://www.politico.eu/article/france-academic-denied-entry-united-states-donald-trump-personal-opinion-messages/
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now). >>
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing >> plant within a year or so.
Simon.
Got to wonder how many are lamenting the lack of shooting skills of the young man in Butler PA?
The cretin is grandstanding for his supporters. He knows much of his actions will be reversed, by him, or others. But his supporters will only remember his
original action, how he "showed the world how tough he is".
On 2025-04-16, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/ >>>
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now). >>>
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing >>> plant within a year or so.
Simon.
Got to wonder how many are lamenting the lack of shooting skills of the young
man in Butler PA?
Don't go there David. You are better than that.
The cretin is grandstanding for his supporters. He knows much of his actions
will be reversed, by him, or others. But his supporters will only remember his
original action, how he "showed the world how tough he is".
The situation is far worse than that.
You may not be seeing it much in the US itself, but externally, and especially in Europe, we can see the incredible damage he is doing to
the US and the damage done in the relations between the US and the
rest of the world.
Some of the damage which has been done is permanent because people
are far less likely to trust the US from now on. IOW, the standing
of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world has been permanently
damaged.
People are actively trying to find other markets than the US because
we don't know what the situation is going to be next week, next month,
or next year. He may think he is being clever by causing chaos by the constant policy changes, but all he is doing is causing long-term
structural damage to the US as people cannot function in that environment
and are actively trying to find alternatives.
Even your own bond markets have been damaged even though the US dollar
has traditionally been the world's reserve currency due to its stability
and trust in it. When the money people start thinking something different
to that, that's when it becomes clear you are in real trouble.
Simon.
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
On 4/16/2025 1:58 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2025-04-16, Arne Vajh°j <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means >>>> I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now).
I would hope that they have better criteria than whether you like Trump
or not.
I'm afraid not. :-(
https://www.politico.eu/article/france-academic-denied-entry-united-states-donald-trump-personal-opinion-messages/
Note that there are 3 different explanations floating around.
"he expressed a personal opinion on the research policy pursued by the
Trump administration"
"He was accused of sending messages that ?expressed hatred towards Trump
and can be qualified as terrorism,?"
"The French researcher in question was in possession of confidential information on his electronic device from Los Alamos National
Laboratory? in violation of a non-disclosure agreement"
On 4/16/2025 2:20 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2025-04-16, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 8:17 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/
homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means >>>> I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to
go now).
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip
manufacturing
plant within a year or so.
Simon.
Got to wonder how many are lamenting the lack of shooting skills of
the young
man in Butler PA?
Don't go there David. You are better than that.
Actually, no, I'm not. There have been instances in the past when if
some terrible person died early, the planet would be a better place.
Prime example, Hitler. And Assad.
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
Why doesn't industry fund it,
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now).
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing plant within a year or so.
Simon.
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
and why do so many people think the taxpayer should fund everything ?.
On 4/18/2025 10:24 AM, chrisq wrote:
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
and why do so many people think the
taxpayer should fund everything ?.
It does not have to. I assume it has been so for historic
reasons.
But I think this is one case where the taxpayers get a lot
of bang for the buck.
The CVE program has a significant impact on security at
US federal system, US state and local systems, US private
companies, US citizens and same for other countries including
close US allies.
And at a cost of approx. 50 M$ per year for running the program.
The global cost of cybersecurity incidents are estimated
at 10 T$.
It is a bargain.
I am pretty sure there are many other programs with more
questionable value.
Arne
On 4/18/2025 10:24 AM, chrisq wrote:
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
Why doesn't industry fund it,
That may very well be where it end up.
https://www.thecvefoundation.org/
<quote>
In response, a coalition of longtime, active CVE Board members have
spent the past year developing a strategy to transition CVE to a
dedicated, non-profit foundation. The new CVE Foundation will focus
solely on continuing the mission of delivering high-quality
vulnerability identification and maintaining the integrity and
availability of CVE data for defenders worldwide.
</quote>
Arne
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now). >>
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing >> plant within a year or so.
Why doesn't industry fund it, and why do so many people think the
taxpayer should fund everything ?.
On 4/18/25 18:14, Dan Cross wrote:
In article <vttnam$36p3b$1@dont-email.me>, chrisq
<devzero@nospam.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/ >>>>
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means >>>> I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to
go now).
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip
manufacturing
plant within a year or so.
Why doesn't industry fund it, and why do so many people think the
taxpayer should fund everything ?.
Because it is in the vital interest of national security, for
one.
- Dan C.
You really think that government oversight over the process of computer security and bug fixes will improve the outcome ?, I have my doubts.
It would make sense to have computer security specialists represented
from the security services, but typical government employees do not have
the required knowledgebase, or awareness, to make any difference. If
the governemnt pay for it, they will want to have influence on what
is a technical process, ideally free of politics.
Here in the UK, the majority of government employees tend to be from
arts, history, or ppe backgrounds, zero industry or business
experience, risk averse, and change resistant, resulting in little
or nothing getting done for years. They just get in the way.
It's an industry problem, let them sort it out, and pay for it.
Chris
In article <vttnam$36p3b$1@dont-email.me>, chrisq <devzero@nospam.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/ >>>
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now). >>>
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing >>> plant within a year or so.
Why doesn't industry fund it, and why do so many people think the
taxpayer should fund everything ?.
Because it is in the vital interest of national security, for
one.
- Dan C.
In article <vttnam$36p3b$1@dont-email.me>, chrisq <devzero@nospam.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/ >>>>
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means >>>> I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now).
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing >>>> plant within a year or so.
Why doesn't industry fund it, and why do so many people think the
taxpayer should fund everything ?.
Because it is in the vital interest of national security, for
one.
You really think that government oversight over the process of computer >security and bug fixes will improve the outcome ?, I have my doubts.
It would make sense to have computer security specialists represented
from the security services, but typical government employees do not have
the required knowledgebase, or awareness, to make any difference. If
the governemnt pay for it, they will want to have influence on what
is a technical process, ideally free of politics.
Here in the UK, the majority of government employees tend to be from
arts, history, or ppe backgrounds, zero industry or business
experience, risk averse, and change resistant, resulting in little
or nothing getting done for years. They just get in the way.
It's an industry problem, let them sort it out, and pay for it.
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be protectionist.
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:21:45 +0100, chrisq wrote:
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be
protectionist.
Ummm ... wasn’t it your choice to leave the EU?
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:21:45 +0100, chrisq wrote:
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be
protectionist.
Ummm ... wasn’t it your choice to leave the EU?
On 4/19/25 01:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:21:45 +0100, chrisq wrote:
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be
protectionist.
Ummm ... wasn’t it your choice to leave the EU?
Don't see how that is connected ...
... yes, I did vote to leave that corrupt and unaccountable
organsation ...
On 19/04/2025 01:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:21:45 +0100, chrisq wrote:
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be
protectionist.
Ummm ... wasn’t it your choice to leave the EU?
VAT is charged o everything, so internal and external product, so no idea why its seen as a tariff wall. As for "protectionist" yes, just like the USA where
everything has to be in Feet, worse US pints and gallons are the wrong size...
Dave
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 11:32:36 +0100, chrisq wrote:
On 4/19/25 01:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:21:45 +0100, chrisq wrote:
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be
protectionist.
Ummm ... wasn’t it your choice to leave the EU?
Don't see how that is connected ...
If you’d stayed, then goods made in the UK would have counted as “EU sourced product”.
... yes, I did vote to leave that corrupt and unaccountable
organsation ...
Just so long as you understood the consequences of your own decision, that’s all.
In article <vttnam$36p3b$1@dont-email.me>, chrisq <devzero@nospam.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/ >>>
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means
I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now). >>>
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing >>> plant within a year or so.
Why doesn't industry fund it, and why do so many people think the
taxpayer should fund everything ?.
Because it is in the vital interest of national security, for
one.
- Dan C.
In article <vtun10$1e6l$1@dont-email.me>, chrisq <devzero@nospam.com> wrote:
On 4/18/25 18:14, Dan Cross wrote:
In article <vttnam$36p3b$1@dont-email.me>, chrisq <devzero@nospam.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 13:17, Simon Clubley wrote:
Read for yourself:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/ >>>>>
Of course, now that I have called him a clueless cretin in public means >>>>> I am now unlikely to be allowed into the US (_if_ I ever wanted to go now).
BTW, Mr Orange, on a related subject, you don't build a chip manufacturing
plant within a year or so.
Why doesn't industry fund it, and why do so many people think the
taxpayer should fund everything ?.
Because it is in the vital interest of national security, for
one.
You really think that government oversight over the process of computer
security and bug fixes will improve the outcome ?, I have my doubts.
I did not say that. What I said is that having a robust means
to record, track and search computer vulnerabilities is in the
vital national interest, so government funding is entirely
appropriate.
It would make sense to have computer security specialists represented
from the security services, but typical government employees do not have
the required knowledgebase, or awareness, to make any difference. If
the governemnt pay for it, they will want to have influence on what
is a technical process, ideally free of politics.
Here in the UK, the majority of government employees tend to be from
arts, history, or ppe backgrounds, zero industry or business
experience, risk averse, and change resistant, resulting in little
or nothing getting done for years. They just get in the way.
It's an industry problem, let them sort it out, and pay for it.
Bluntly, it's too important to leave --- at least the funding
side --- to the vagueries and often capricious whims of
industry.
- Dan C.
On 4/19/2025 4:33 AM, David Wade wrote:
On 19/04/2025 01:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:21:45 +0100, chrisq wrote:
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be
protectionist.
Ummm ... wasn’t it your choice to leave the EU?
VAT is charged o everything, so internal and external product, so no
idea why
its seen as a tariff wall. As for "protectionist" yes, just like the
USA where
everything has to be in Feet, worse US pints and gallons are the wrong
size...
Dave
Governments must raise money in some way to provide services. TANSTAAFL
...
As for VAT type taxes, I for one think it's not so bad. If one wants a product, and can afford it and the taxes, then fine. A tax on
consumption is paid by those who can afford it. It is also considered a taxon the poor. It is the taxes that ignore one's ability to pay them
that I really do not like.
Prime example, the property tax on one's home. If I cannot pay such
tax, then the government is just fine with kicking me out and selling my
home to others.
Then there is the "joke" of rebates for seniors and such. First pay the tax, then apply for a rebate of some or all the tax. If one can pay the tax, perhaps one does not need such a rebate. But if the tax cannot be paid, no rebate, and homeless.
We don't like taxes, but we do like roads and services.
Me, I'm just fine with feet, inches, miles, pints, quarts, gallons, and
such. It's what I know.
Anyone trust Elon Musk to have his own armed forces?
On 19/04/2025 01:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:21:45 +0100, chrisq wrote:
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be
protectionist.
Ummm ... wasn?t it your choice to leave the EU?
VAT is charged o everything, so internal and external product, so no
idea why its seen as a tariff wall. As for "protectionist" yes, just
like the USA where everything has to be in Feet, worse US pints and
gallons are the wrong size...
I really wish we would complete the process of moving to metric as well. :-( >We are currently in some half-way situation that feels like it is currently >static and unmoving.
For example, metres/kilometres are a hell of a lot nicer and easier
to work with than the miles/yards/feet stuff.
Direct personal experience here as OS maps have been metric for decades
and the standard hiking maps (1:25000) are easy to work with provided
you know how to read a map (which I do).
In article <vu845v$juoc$1@dont-email.me>,
Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
I really wish we would complete the process of moving to metric as well. :-( >> We are currently in some half-way situation that feels like it is currently >> static and unmoving.
For example, metres/kilometres are a hell of a lot nicer and easier
to work with than the miles/yards/feet stuff.
Direct personal experience here as OS maps have been metric for decades
and the standard hiking maps (1:25000) are easy to work with provided
you know how to read a map (which I do).
I learned land navigation using metric units in the US Marines,
using the NATO grid system (not lat/long). I agree that it is
better in all respects. And certainly, for any sort of
scientific or engineering work, one should just use metric.
That said, for intuitive distances and so forth, for example if
someone says to me, "how far is it from here to X" or "about how
much does this weigh?" I find imperial units easier to think
about, but this is simply because I am used to them.
Officially, the US is a metric country; we switched back in the
70s. Of course, most working scientists and many engineers here
use it professionally. But it's never been _implemented_ on a
large scale for day-to-day use, and I suspect if you tried now,
the MAGA crowd would throw another temper tantrum. They're
still holding onto cursive for similar, antiquated reasons.
- Dan C.
(I do think that Farenheit is frankly a better scale for human
temperatures: 0 is really cold, 100 is really hot, the
differences between degress are small enough that they're
meaningful without fractions. Compare to Celsius, where at 0,
water is getting icy and 100 you're dead.)
|-(elect)->country parliament-(elect)->country ministers-(is)-
european council| |
| (nominate)
| |
| v
people-| european comission
| ^
| |
| (approve)
| |
|-(elect)----------------------------------------------------->european parliament
On 4/19/25 01:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:21:45 +0100, chrisq wrote:
The EU countries are even worse, with tariffs imposed + vat, on most
non EU sourced product. An organisation designed very much to be
protectionist.
Ummm ... wasn’t it your choice to leave the EU?
Don't see how that is connected, but yes, I did vote to leave that
corrupt and unaccountable organsation, and understand why. Little
more than a dictatorship, with a "parliament" that has no
legislative power at all. How is that democratic ?.
On 22/04/2025 15:54, Dan Cross wrote:
[snip]
Officially, the US is a metric country; we switched back in the
70s. Of course, most working scientists and many engineers here
use it professionally. But it's never been _implemented_ on a
large scale for day-to-day use, and I suspect if you tried now,
the MAGA crowd would throw another temper tantrum. They're
still holding onto cursive for similar, antiquated reasons.
One of the suggested benefits of Brexit was that the UK could revert to >imperial measure. The UK government ran a consultation. The results
were almost totally in favour of retaining Metric Measure...
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/choice-on-units-of-measurement-markings-and-sales/outcome/choice-on-units-of-measurement-consultation-response
or
https://tinyurl.com/3bpjjae9
(I do think that Farenheit is frankly a better scale for human
temperatures: 0 is really cold, 100 is really hot, the
differences between degress are small enough that they're
meaningful without fractions. Compare to Celsius, where at 0,
water is getting icy and 100 you're dead.)
Went on a trip across Canada. Interesting to see the Americans response
to Celsius - total bafflement...
... I was also bemused by the bafflement of some USA passengers who did
not know why the Holland America's flagship the Nieuw Amsterdam has a
light representing the New York skyline.. Pic here -
https://www.tripadvisor.com.my/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g1-d15691662-i386593179-Nieuw_Amsterdam-World.html
or
https://tinyurl.com/2469rxu3
Went on a trip across Canada. Interesting to see the Americans response
to Celsius - total bafflement...
On 4/22/2025 10:54 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
I learned land navigation using metric units in the US Marines,
using the NATO grid system (not lat/long).
It's called Universal Transverse Mercator and NATO had nothing
to do with it.
Just a few blurbs:
The Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM) system was developed by the US
Army Corps of Engineers starting in the early 1940s.
Provided by AI overview.
The Universal Transverse Mercator projection and grid system was adopted
by the U.S. Army in 1947 for designating rectangular coordinates on
large scale military maps. UTM is currently used by the United States
and NATO armed forces.
MapTools.
Note the dates, long before NATO even existed.
Developed by the US Army Map Service in the late 1940s — probably 1947 — >and shortly thereafter adopted by US Army
as well as North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces, the
Universal Transverse Coordinate (UTM) projection and grid system
remained a classified secret for many years.
The Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM) geographic coordinate system
By
Michael A. Neiger
Marquette, Michigan
© Copyright 2010 - 2022
It was originally developed not by NATO but by the US Army.
By the way, just for the sake of curiosity the reason I am rather
well versed in this is because my first job after high school and
leading up to my first enlistment in the U.S. Army was with the
above mentioned Army Map Service where I was both a Cartographic
Technician and a Geodetic Aide. When I went into the Army I was
hell on the Land Navigation Course. :-)
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 16:28:01 +0100, David Wade wrote:
Went on a trip across Canada. Interesting to see the Americans response
to Celsius - total bafflement...
The only logical temperature scale is one where zero means zero. That
means absolute temperature, i.e. Kelvin.
On 22/04/2025 23:51, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
The only logical temperature scale is one where zero means zero. That
means absolute temperature, i.e. Kelvin.
Of course, logical but impractical.
Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> whines on
the internet.
Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> whines on
the internet.
Stuff it. I could care less what you think and this has nothing to do
with VMS per se.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 16:28:01 +0100, David Wade wrote:
Went on a trip across Canada. Interesting to see the Americans response
to Celsius - total bafflement...
The only logical temperature scale is one where zero means zero. That
means absolute temperature, i.e. Kelvin.
I don't see why. Consider how your weather report gives readings for >atmospheric pressure: if it were to be 'practical' by analogy with >temperature, then the scale would have zero correspond to normal
atmospheric pressure, while high-pressure systems would have positive
numbers in their centres, and low-pressure ones negative numbers in
theirs.