• Re: The news letter of VMSgenerations "la lettre de VMSgenerations" (nu

    From Subcommandante XDelta@21:1/5 to VMSgenerations on Wed Mar 26 12:01:10 2025
    On 13/03/2025 11:01 pm, VMSgenerations wrote:
    Dear friends of VMS,

    The second issue of our news letter is already here.

    We hope you'll enjoy it. And we look forward to receiving your feedback.

    You'll find this document at URL: https://www.vmsgenerations.fr/la-lettre-de-vmsgenerations-n2-EN/

    VMSgenerations working group

    It's very good that you highlighted the issue of bare metal.

    Everyone wants it - VMS in rugged, hairs on chest, chug a lug Solo, macho-boffo, bare metal mode, rather than mincing Hypervisor drag (not
    that there's anything wrong with that! - horses for courses!)

    However, VSI are being prissy, dithering, fusspots, apparently - very
    leery of opening a Pandora's box of device driver requests - something
    the VMS ecosystem could provide for and assist with.

    So the VMSgenerations group could do a VSI a very big favour and choose
    two board (one Intel based, one AMD based) candidates, that
    VMSgenerations and their affiliate community would be very happy to have
    as bare metal targets, to invest in, once VSI certifies them.

    Vendor lockdown? - meh! - who cares! - Just get the ball rolling, and
    ensure that any in the existing VMS shop community is not tempted to
    migrate away - for any such migration is a permanent loss to the VMS
    ecosystem and a permanent amputation from the VSI income stream.

    Once VSI mind their P's and Q's and patch their EULA's accordingly, to
    cover their assets, everything will be tickety-boo, and everyone will be
    a lot happier.

    Of course, I'd still love to see bare metal VSI/VMS on the Frame.Work
    laptops, but I'm not holding my breath, or crossing my legs...

    BTB, Frame.Work now have an absolute killer desktop configuration as well:

    https://frame.work/desktop

    The Frame.Work team continue to smash it.

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  • From Subcommandante XDelta@21:1/5 to VMSgenerations on Fri Mar 14 10:22:35 2025
    On 13/03/2025 11:01 pm, VMSgenerations wrote:

    Dear friends of VMS,

    The second issue of our news letter is already here.

    We hope you'll enjoy it. And we look forward to receiving your feedback.

    You'll find this document at URL:

    https://www.vmsgenerations.fr/la-lettre-de-vmsgenerations-n2-EN/

    VMSgenerations working group

    Dear Gérard "Asterix" Calliet, and your tribe of fellow plucky, gallant, gauls, of gonadic gumption:

    I salute you all, in the VMSgenerations group, for leading the way, in
    industry engagement, representation, and activism, towards a preferable
    outcome for all, in regards to VMS's future.

    May the imperators of the new Romans at VSI, take close heed to your
    wise counsels. :-)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to VMSgenerations on Thu Mar 13 20:34:00 2025
    On 3/13/2025 8:01 AM, VMSgenerations wrote:
    The second issue of our news letter is already here.

    We hope you'll enjoy it. And we look forward to receiving your feedback.

    You'll find this document at URL: https://www.vmsgenerations.fr/la-lettre-de-vmsgenerations-n2-EN/

    I think there are a lot of good points in this.

    A public "list price" list would be nice. That would set
    everybody expectations. And don't tell me that high prices
    scare customers away - nothing is as scary as an unknown price,
    because that will make everybody expect crazy high.

    I believe that the vast majority of future VMS customers
    will be fine with VM's, but there are still a minority
    that prefer bare metal. We know that VMS runs on bare metal
    x86-64. So it makes sense if VSI certify one or two
    bare metal configs. I hope that VSI will get to that when
    the dozens of higher priority items have been delivered.

    Obviously SPD's and other documentation should be uptodate.
    Again I hope that VSI will catch up on this when the
    higher priority items have been delivered.

    When the CLP was changed, then I did not believe that the new
    approach would fix the problems. And I still don't. But it is
    also my impression that most of the actual contributors are
    on either Ambassador program or ISV program with few CLP
    users. And CLP is creating a lot of questions in the VSI forum.
    Depending on perspective on can say that proves either
    that Ambassador program is the right model or that CLP is fine
    as is. Anyway before changing the current setup, then I think
    it would be nice to actually see how it turns out: will VSI
    be happy with ambassador program or not? will we continue to
    see lots of CLP user question in the VSI forum or is it just
    a startup thing?

    There is an important topic that is only briefly covered:

    "Open Source products whose source code is never published—yet, as the
    name suggests, "open source" should be open."

    "Contributors have repeatedly pointed out that VSI’s restrictive and
    complex approach to source sharing discourages participation."

    The open source world is huge. VSI is a very small company compared
    to HPE/HP/CPQ/DEC. The group of VMS open source contributors are
    very small. VMS can simply not afford any waste of open source
    effort.

    I strongly recommend that:
    * VSI move all their open source repos to public Github repos
    * VSI invite non-VSI people to contribute
    * if there are some code that cannot be made public (closed source
    copyright by HPE or similar) then put Alpha, Itanium and
    x86-64 OLB's in the repo
    * if there is a concern about control of direction then make
    a VSI person the "Linus" or "Guido" for the project
    * make unsupported community builds available from Github
    for Alpha, Itanium and x86-64
    * for those open source products deemed important enough
    then VSI can do a special VSI build producing a signed PCSI
    to be distributed from VSI SP an "enterprise build" (no functional
    differences please)

    Arne

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