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I am curious why VSI are so heavily focused on Sweden to the exclusion
of other European countries.
3. Their plan to offer salmiakki with software distribution CDs was
not successful in most other countries.
I am curious why VSI are so heavily focused on Sweden to the exclusion
of other European countries.
On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 09:55:35 +1100, Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
France has better food and wine, compared to Swedish meatballs, and
overpriced beer.
The paradox of the Mediterranean diet: low heart disease, high liver
disease.
On 3/4/2025 8:11 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
I wonder how long it is going to be before nobody wants to buy _anything_
from a US company given just how toxic and untrustworthy the US has
become over the last month ? :-(
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him will equire much
pain before they realize just what idiots they are. He lies to them, and they >like it.
Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
On 3/4/2025 8:11 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
I wonder how long it is going to be before nobody wants to buy _anything_ >>> from a US company given just how toxic and untrustworthy the US has
become over the last month ? :-(
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him will equire much
pain before they realize just what idiots they are. He lies to them, and they
like it.
Unfortunately, as Simon has suggested might happen, we have Europeans boycotting American products over the bad decisions made by our
government. I just had a $6k order from my European dealer cancelled. --scott
Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
On 3/4/2025 8:11 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
I wonder how long it is going to be before nobody wants to buy _anything_ >>> from a US company given just how toxic and untrustworthy the US has
become over the last month ? :-(
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him will equire much
pain before they realize just what idiots they are. He lies to them, and they
like it.
Unfortunately, as Simon has suggested might happen, we have Europeans boycotting American products over the bad decisions made by our
government. I just had a $6k order from my European dealer cancelled. --scott
In article <vqas2l$2lru6$1@dont-email.me>, davef@tsoft-inc.com (Dave
Froble) wrote:
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
Who have control of the executive, and are doing lots of damage.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him
will equire much pain before they realize just what idiots they
are. He lies to them, and they like it.
Yup. And this can happen again, in a few years. Trust will be hard to recover.
On 3/8/2025 8:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
On 3/4/2025 8:11 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
I wonder how long it is going to be before nobody wants to buy _anything_ >>>> from a US company given just how toxic and untrustworthy the US has
become over the last month ? :-(
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him will equire much
pain before they realize just what idiots they are. He lies to them, and they
like it.
Unfortunately, as Simon has suggested might happen, we have Europeans
boycotting American products over the bad decisions made by our
government. I just had a $6k order from my European dealer cancelled.
--scott
Good! The idiots will require much pain before they turn on Donald.
BTW, I wonder if Mr Trump realises that you can't even make modern high-performance processors without critical European technology...
On 2025-03-06, John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <vqas2l$2lru6$1@dont-email.me>, davef@tsoft-inc.com (Dave
Froble) wrote:
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
Who have control of the executive, and are doing lots of damage.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him
will equire much pain before they realize just what idiots they
are. He lies to them, and they like it.
Yup. And this can happen again, in a few years. Trust will be hard to
recover.
I think these actions have broken the trust relationship with Europe
for at least the next several decades due to the fact that even if
you get a decent team in, they can still be kicked out in 4 years time.
BTW, I wonder if Mr Trump realises that you can't even make modern >high-performance processors without critical European technology...
On 3/10/2025 14:25, Simon Clubley wrote:
BTW, I wonder if Mr Trump realises that you can't even make modern
high-performance processors without critical European technology...
I wouldn't give him the respect that the honorific "Mr" conveys.
On 3/10/2025 14:25, Simon Clubley wrote:
BTW, I wonder if Mr Trump realises that you can't even make modern
high-performance processors without critical European technology...
I wouldn't give him the respect that the honorific "Mr" conveys.
BTW, I wonder if Trump realises that you can't even make modern high-performance processors without critical European technology...
In article <vqnare$1fru0$1@dont-email.me>, >clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote:
BTW, I wonder if Trump realises that you can't even make modern
high-performance processors without critical European technology...
I wonder if Trump understands what processors are even for?
On 2025-03-06, John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <vqas2l$2lru6$1@dont-email.me>, davef@tsoft-inc.com (Dave
Froble) wrote:
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
Who have control of the executive, and are doing lots of damage.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him
will equire much pain before they realize just what idiots they
are. He lies to them, and they like it.
Yup. And this can happen again, in a few years. Trust will be hard to
recover.
I think these actions have broken the trust relationship with Europe
for at least the next several decades due to the fact that even if
you get a decent team in, they can still be kicked out in 4 years time.
BTW, I wonder if Mr Trump realises that you can't even make modern high-performance processors without critical European technology...
On 3/10/2025 2:25 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2025-03-06, John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <vqas2l$2lru6$1@dont-email.me>, davef@tsoft-inc.com (Dave
Froble) wrote:
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
Who have control of the executive, and are doing lots of damage.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him
will equire much pain before they realize just what idiots they
are. He lies to them, and they like it.
Yup. And this can happen again, in a few years. Trust will be hard to
recover.
I think these actions have broken the trust relationship with Europe
for at least the next several decades due to the fact that even if
you get a decent team in, they can still be kicked out in 4 years time.
Isn't that everywhere, well, except for Russia, China, and such dictatorships?
BTW, I wonder if Mr Trump realises that you can't even make modern
high-performance processors without critical European technology...
You give the idiot way too much credit.
But the pain is on it's way.
Ontario is adding a 25% surcharge to electricity sold across the border.
:-)
The stock markets are tanking ....
Perhaps it's time to consider recalling Trump?
But the pain is on it's way.
Ontario is adding a 25% surcharge to electricity sold across the border.
:-)
The stock markets are tanking ....
Perhaps it's time to consider recalling Trump?
Simon did not use "The Rt Hon" Trump. Which besides not being used in
the US also does not seem fitting.
There is no option for recalling the president in the US.
The options in the constitution are:
* impeachment (simple majority house + 2/3 majority senate)
* 25th amendment (VP + majority of cabinet ministers, and if
the president appeal 2/3 majority of both house and senate)
The reality is that _most_ Americans can't stand the guy. It's
just that the way that our weird (and arguably messed up)
electoral system works that allowed a minority to vote him into
office.
Trust me, to our European friends reading this, no matter how
upset you are over this actions, those of us who stand opposed
to him right here in the US are even more so.
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 21:41:37 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 3/10/2025 9:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Things seem so much easier in Parliamentary systems, don’t they: it
just takes a vote of no confidence in Parliament to bring down the
Government.
It is easier to get rid of a prime minister in that system.
But there is also a flip side. It can be difficult to find a PM. After
the election in Sweden in 2018 it took 4 months to agree on a
PM/government. After the election in the Netherlands in 2023 it took 6
months. After the election in Belgium in 2024 it took 8 months.
All using proportional representation? Didn’t one prior Belgian election spend all except the last few months of the entire term trying to come to
a coalition deal?
Actually I think proportional representation is wonderful. We adopted it
here in NZ, based on the German system. I think the longest it took us to form a Government was 6 weeks (from the first election under the new
system, in 1996); typically it takes more like 3 weeks.
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 19:51:20 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
There is no option for recalling the president in the US.
The options in the constitution are:
* impeachment (simple majority house + 2/3 majority senate)
* 25th amendment (VP + majority of cabinet ministers, and if
the president appeal 2/3 majority of both house and senate)
Things seem so much easier in Parliamentary systems, don’t they: it just takes a vote of no confidence in Parliament to bring down the Government.
On 3/10/2025 9:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Things seem so much easier in Parliamentary systems, don’t they: it
just takes a vote of no confidence in Parliament to bring down the
Government.
It is easier to get rid of a prime minister in that system.
But there is also a flip side. It can be difficult to find a PM. After
the election in Sweden in 2018 it took 4 months to agree on a
PM/government. After the election in the Netherlands in 2023 it took 6 months. After the election in Belgium in 2024 it took 8 months.
On 3/10/2025 7:46 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
The reality is that _most_ Americans can't stand the guy. It's
just that the way that our weird (and arguably messed up)
electoral system works that allowed a minority to vote him into
office.
In 2016 he did not get the most votes (he got 63M
while Hilary got 66M).
But in 2024 he did get the most votes (he got 77M while
Kamala got 75M).
Mr. sofa got 91M and 87M respectively in those two elections.
Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
No problem. What VMS topic should we talk about ?
1) The new TECO version for x86-64 VMS ?
2) The new Ada compiler for x86-64 VMS ?
3) The new syntax colour coding that Rob has added to EDT ?
4) The new AI module for DCL (because let's face it, everything needs an
AI module built into it these days, or so marketing would tell you... :-) ) >>
Discussion on any of these topics (or more serious ones :-) ) are welcome. >>
:-D :-D :-D
The point I am making is that VMS functionality is mostly stagnant.
It's mostly tweaks and new versions of existing packages. There isn't
the kind of development that goes on in (for example) the Linux world.
The remaining VMS community clearly prefers this unchanging situation,
and for valid reasons (from their point of view), but it also means there
are few new exciting topics to talk about. :-)
But that is like a law of nature due to the resources thrown into Linux development by many big and small companies compared to the resources available to VSI.
Scott Dorsey wrote:
I am curious why VSI are so heavily focused on Sweden to the exclusion
of other European countries.
3. Their plan to offer salmiakki with software distribution CDs was
not successful in most other countries.
At least it met with more success than their previous plan of offering Surstr÷mming! :-) :-) :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming
All using proportional representation? Didn’t one prior Belgian election spend all except the last few months of the entire term trying to come to
a coalition deal?
I wonder if Mr Trump would ever go before Congress once a week and
answer questions put directly to him by the Democrats ? Somehow,
I suspect the answer is no. :-)
On 3/10/2025 14:25, Simon Clubley wrote:
BTW, I wonder if Mr Trump realises that you can't even make modern
high-performance processors without critical European technology...
I wouldn't give him the respect that the honorific "Mr" conveys.
It is easier to get rid of a prime minister in that system.
But there is also a flip side. It can be difficult to find
a PM. After the election in Sweden in 2018 it took 4 months
to agree on a PM/government. After the election in the
Netherlands in 2023 it took 6 months. After the election
in Belgium in 2024 it took 8 months. Given how the US
congress typical (recent years) handle budget and debt limit
increase, then I suspect that if the US congress elected
the US president then the position would be empty half the time.
On 2025-03-10, Arne Vajh°j <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
It is easier to get rid of a prime minister in that system.
But there is also a flip side. It can be difficult to find
a PM. After the election in Sweden in 2018 it took 4 months
to agree on a PM/government. After the election in the
Netherlands in 2023 it took 6 months. After the election
in Belgium in 2024 it took 8 months. Given how the US
congress typical (recent years) handle budget and debt limit
increase, then I suspect that if the US congress elected
the US president then the position would be empty half the time.
I don't know if this applies to other Parliamentary systems, but
here in the UK, the Prime Minister has to go to Parliament once
a week and answer questions from opposition leaders. In addition,
some normal MPs also get the chance to directly ask the PM questions
and to make the PM justify decisions that they have made.
I wonder if Mr Trump would ever go before Congress once a week and
answer questions put directly to him by the Democrats ? Somehow,
I suspect the answer is no. :-)
On 2025-03-10, Robert A. Brooks <FIRST.LAST@vmssoftware.com> wrote:
On 3/10/2025 14:25, Simon Clubley wrote:
BTW, I wonder if Mr Trump realises that you can't even make modern
high-performance processors without critical European technology...
I wouldn't give him the respect that the honorific "Mr" conveys.
Over here, it's just a polite way some people use to refer to someone
in a neutral way in situations like this. No respect is intended by
the use of the word "Mr".
OTOH, there is/was a use that is directly applicable here. :-) I don't
know if they still do it these days, but in times gone by some teachers
would talk to a misbehaving child in this way:
"Mr Smith." <slight pause> "What makes you think _that_ was acceptable ?"
On 3/10/2025 19:46, Dan Cross wrote:
Trust me, to our European friends reading this, no matter how
upset you are over this actions, those of us who stand opposed
to him right here in the US are even more so.
Well said!
Robert A. Brooks <FIRST.LAST@vmssoftware.com> wrote:
On 3/10/2025 19:46, Dan Cross wrote:
Trust me, to our European friends reading this, no matter how
upset you are over this actions, those of us who stand opposed
to him right here in the US are even more so.
Well said!
And not only that, we can't even get the Lindt salty licorice chocolate
bars.
--scott
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 15:22:53 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
Simon did not use "The Rt Hon" Trump. Which besides not being used in
the US also does not seem fitting.
They're not supposed to have honorifics in the US. But then they end up referring to ex-politicians by their last-held title, e.g. living ex- Presidents continue to be titled as "President".
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 15:22:53 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
Simon did not use "The Rt Hon" Trump. Which besides not being used in
the US also does not seem fitting.
They're not supposed to have honorifics in the US. But then they end up
referring to ex-politicians by their last-held title, e.g. living ex-
Presidents continue to be titled as "President".
Which is something that changed in my lifetime. Before Reagan, ex-Presidents >were addressed by the highest non-presidential title they held, or simply "Mr."
I’m not objecting to any specific post or topic in this thread, but
don’t even people who occasionally enjoy echo chambers eventually get
bored of them?
I’m not objecting to any specific post or topic in this thread, but don’t >even people who occasionally enjoy echo chambers eventually get bored of >them?
;-)
Of course, since the earliest years of c.o.v we’ve very frequently >witnessed their formation here. Maybe more often than in the present case >(though this topic is small, historically speaking), with at least a
tendency to have a continuing sub-thread at of least somewhat c.o.v. >subject-relevant content.
;-)
I’m not objecting to any specific post or topic in this thread, but
don’t even people who occasionally enjoy echo chambers eventually get
bored of them?
;-)
Of course, since the earliest years of c.o.v we’ve very frequently witnessed their formation here. Maybe more often than in the present
case (though this topic is small, historically speaking), with at
least a tendency to have a continuing sub-thread at of least somewhat
c.o.v. subject-relevant content.
;-)
All using proportional representation? Didn’t one prior Belgian election spend all except the last few months of the entire term trying to come to
a coalition deal?
On 2025-03-01, Alan Frisbie <Usenet03_REMOVE@flying-disk.com> wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
I am curious why VSI are so heavily focused on Sweden to the exclusion >>>> of other European countries.
3. Their plan to offer salmiakki with software distribution CDs was
not successful in most other countries.
At least it met with more success than their previous plan of offering
Surströmming! :-) :-) :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming
I wonder how long it is going to be before nobody wants to buy _anything_ from a US company given just how toxic and untrustworthy the US has
become over the last month ? :-(
Simon.
Hey! It ain't the USA. It's Trump and his minions.
But, yeah, don't patronize them. The idiots that voted for him
will equire much pain before they realize just what idiots they
are. He lies to them, and they like it.
I?m not objecting to any specific post or topic in this thread, but don?t even people who occasionally enjoy echo chambers eventually get bored of them?
;-)
Of course, since the earliest years of c.o.v we?ve very frequently
witnessed their formation here. Maybe more often than in the present case (though this topic is small, historically speaking), with at least a
tendency to have a continuing sub-thread at of least somewhat c.o.v. subject-relevant content.
;-)
In article <vqquh9$2a8en$1@dont-email.me>,
Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
IΓÇÖm not objecting to any specific post or topic in this thread, but donΓÇÖt >>even people who occasionally enjoy echo chambers eventually get bored of >>them?
;-)
Of course, since the earliest years of c.o.v weΓÇÖve very frequently >>witnessed their formation here. Maybe more often than in the present case >>(though this topic is small, historically speaking), with at least a >>tendency to have a continuing sub-thread at of least somewhat c.o.v. >>subject-relevant content.
;-)
You know, it's funny. I've spent a lot of time over the last 8
years thinking about echo chambers, because it seemed so utterly
improbable that the American public could vote Donald Trump into
the presidency, not once, but twice. Surely his obvious lying,
his transparent grifting, his shameless and lifelong tendency to
take advantage of others was so clear that no one would take him
seriously, let alone vote for him. And yet, here we are.
So I have to ask myself, seriously, "do all those people see
something that I don't?" And, "am I the one that's wrong?"
After all, how would I know if I was, in fact, living in an echo
chamber.
On 2025-03-12, Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
In article <vqquh9$2a8en$1@dont-email.me>,
Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I’m not objecting to any specific post or topic in this thread, but don’t
even people who occasionally enjoy echo chambers eventually get bored of >>>them?
;-)
Of course, since the earliest years of c.o.v we’ve very frequently >>>witnessed their formation here. Maybe more often than in the present case >>>(though this topic is small, historically speaking), with at least a >>>tendency to have a continuing sub-thread at of least somewhat c.o.v. >>>subject-relevant content.
;-)
You know, it's funny. I've spent a lot of time over the last 8
years thinking about echo chambers, because it seemed so utterly
improbable that the American public could vote Donald Trump into
the presidency, not once, but twice. Surely his obvious lying,
his transparent grifting, his shameless and lifelong tendency to
take advantage of others was so clear that no one would take him
seriously, let alone vote for him. And yet, here we are.
So I have to ask myself, seriously, "do all those people see
something that I don't?" And, "am I the one that's wrong?"
After all, how would I know if I was, in fact, living in an echo
chamber.
One of the things I do to make sure I never fall into this trap is to
expose myself to sources of information or viewpoints I strongly disagree >with, to make sure they don't reveal something that my normal sources of >information have "forgotten" to mention.
It helps you to understand what others are thinking and to help you build
a well-rounded model of reality instead of your reality been based on one >specific set of views.
It would be nice if Mr Trump's supporters could do the same.
On 3/10/2025 7:46 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
The reality is that _most_ Americans can't stand the guy. It's
just that the way that our weird (and arguably messed up)
electoral system works that allowed a minority to vote him into
office.
In 2016 he did not get the most votes (he got 63M
while Hilary got 66M).
But in 2024 he did get the most votes (he got 77M while
Kamala got 75M).
Mr. sofa got 91M and 87M respectively in those two elections.
Arne
I’m not objecting to any specific post or topic in this thread, but don’t >even people who occasionally enjoy echo chambers eventually get bored of >them?
;-)
I am only reading this thread in hopes of someone mentioning semlor and toscakaka.
One of the things I do to make sure I never fall into this trap is to
expose myself to sources of information or viewpoints I strongly disagree with, to make sure they don't reveal something that my normal sources of information have "forgotten" to mention.
On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 03:20:09 -0000 (UTC)
Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I’m not objecting to any specific post or topic in this thread, but
don’t even people who occasionally enjoy echo chambers eventually get
bored of them?
;-)
Of course, since the earliest years of c.o.v we’ve very frequently
witnessed their formation here. Maybe more often than in the present
case (though this topic is small, historically speaking), with at
least a tendency to have a continuing sub-thread at of least somewhat
c.o.v. subject-relevant content.
;-)
It seems comp.os.vms regulars find Trump more exciting that Lutefisk.