I'm trying to find all files in my home dir that are not in group foo or
group bar. Most of my files are in one or the other of these groups.

This is my tcsh command line:

% find ~ -xdev \! \( -group foo -o -group bar \) -ls

This dumps out every file. It should just dump out a few. Why?

I tried replacing \! with -not and I tried replacing -o with -or.
Neither helped.

I'm sure I've done this sort of thing in the past (successfully).
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On 2024-12-27, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

I'm trying to find all files in my home dir that are not in group foo or group bar. Most of my files are in one or the other of these groups.

This is my tcsh command line:

% find ~ -xdev \! \( -group foo -o -group bar \) -ls

It works for me. For instance if I run this on /etc using

-group root -o group shadow

I get only entries that are in groups lp or dip. If I switch
to dip, I get entries in lp and shadow.

Yes, I also tried it in tcsh just to be sure, and I tried it in
my home directory.

This dumps out every file. It should just dump out a few. Why?

Maybe some invisible junk characters in the command line?
Try typing it out afresh.

Is there direct proof in the output that the results are wrong? Are any
of the listed files in group foo or bar contrary to the query?

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On 2024-12-27 at 21:08 Kenny McCormack wrote:

I'm trying to find all files in my home dir that are not in group foo or group bar. Most of my files are in one or the other of these groups.

This is my tcsh command line:

% find ~ -xdev \! \( -group foo -o -group bar \) -ls

This dumps out every file. It should just dump out a few. Why?

I tried replacing \! with -not and I tried replacing -o with -or.
Neither helped.

I'm sure I've done this sort of thing in the past (successfully).

$ find ~ -xdev -not -group foo -not -group bar -ls

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On 2024-12-27 at 22:39 marrgol wrote:

On 2024-12-27 at 21:08 Kenny McCormack wrote:

I'm trying to find all files in my home dir that are not in group foo or
group bar. Most of my files are in one or the other of these groups.

This is my tcsh command line:

% find ~ -xdev \! \( -group foo -o -group bar \) -ls

This dumps out every file. It should just dump out a few. Why?

I tried replacing \! with -not and I tried replacing -o with -or.
Neither helped.

I'm sure I've done this sort of thing in the past (successfully).

$ find ~ -xdev -not -group foo -not -group bar -ls

I've just tried your version too and both give the the same and correct
result -- are you sure you are using GNU findutils find? Mine is v4.8.0.

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The "-ls" doesn't work as yoiu expect. Try something like -print or
-printf instead.

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On 12/27/2024 3:08 PM, Kenny McCormack wrote:

I'm trying to find all files in my home dir that are not in group foo or group bar. Most of my files are in one or the other of these groups.

This is my tcsh command line:

% find ~ -xdev \! \( -group foo -o -group bar \) -ls

This dumps out every file. It should just dump out a few. Why?

I tried replacing \! with -not and I tried replacing -o with -or.
Neither helped.

I'm sure I've done this sort of thing in the past (successfully).

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On 2024-12-27, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

I'm trying to find all files in my home dir that are not in group foo or group bar. Most of my files are in one or the other of these groups.

This is my tcsh command line:

% find ~ -xdev \! \( -group foo -o -group bar \) -ls

Works for me. You can also de-morgan the expression

% find ~ -xdev \! -group foo \! -group bar -ls

but obviously that won't change whatever underlying problem you're
having.

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In article <slrnvmub16.22so.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

On 2024-12-27, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

I'm trying to find all files in my home dir that are not in group foo or
group bar. Most of my files are in one or the other of these groups.

This is my tcsh command line:

% find ~ -xdev \! \( -group foo -o -group bar \) -ls

Works for me.

OK - I've got this sorted now.

tl; dr: It works if you put in the correct numeric gid(s) rather than the symbolic group names. So, I am not losing my mind, and the syntax is
correct.

Longer version: The system on which I am running this (not my system) is a little bit misconfigured, such that even though both ls and find display
the group id of my files as "foo", and "foo" is defined in /etc/group as
having gid (say) 1234, in fact, my files are not in group 1234, but rather
in group (say) 5678.

So, bottom line, when you use the name "foo" in the command line, "find" translates that to 1234 and looks for files not in group 1234 (which is
almost all of them) and so on...

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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:37:26 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber wrote:

You can also de-morgan the expression

First time I heard a reference to De Morgan’s theorems being used as a
verb. ;)

Does make it sound like you are removing something called “morgan” though, doesn’t it ...

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