• Re: Bluefish HTML Editor

    From azigni@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 19 02:01:11 2024
    I'm glad you hung back on how you really feel about his situation. Just kidding, a very good read.

    I haven't used anything Ubuntu in quite a while. First Canonical wanted to dictate everything about my install. It got old quickly, install *tu,
    remove all snap, and flatpak, and hope everything is still functional and secure.

    I'm not a security wizard though everything appeared to work, that doesn't really mean it does.

    In short I second your thoughts! You were just more polite about it...lol

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to azigni on Wed Sep 18 20:59:20 2024
    On 9/18/24 19:01, azigni wrote:
    I'm glad you hung back on how you really feel about his situation. Just kidding, a very good read.

    I haven't used anything Ubuntu in quite a while. First Canonical wanted to dictate everything about my install. It got old quickly, install *tu,
    remove all snap, and flatpak, and hope everything is still functional and secure.

    I'm not a security wizard though everything appeared to work, that doesn't really mean it does.

    In short I second your thoughts! You were just more polite about it...lol

    In the past I tried Ubuntu but I started with Mandriva in 2006
    and I found Ubuntu to be more restictive of my investigations. I joined
    a LUG about the same time and no one knew anything about Mandriva. They
    had all joined the Canonical Bandwagon and convinced new users to use it.
    But I had used AmigaOS before GNU/Linux, AmigaOS ran essentially
    in root mode all the time. I learned to edit configuration files and startup-sequences using AmigaOS. I also learned things that would be no
    use whatsoever in the Linux x86 world like terminating SCSI chains and installing DIPs to increase the memory and ROMs to increase the OS's capabilities.
    So as my long passed OL pal Skal Loret recommended Mandriva suited me and when it went under I went to PCLinuxOS.

    bliss

    Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.06- Linux 6.6.51-Plasma 5.27.11
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to chrisv on Fri Sep 20 08:39:04 2024
    On 9/20/24 05:07, chrisv wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    clinker wrote:
    Not to derail this thread, which is a good one, but it is possible an
    operating system will be developed that threaten both Linux and Windows
    existence as it is known today.

    most things are *possible*

    OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
    proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks as no >>> one remembers it.

    We also had Amigas and Atari ST's, before it become impractical to
    compete with the Wintel juggernaut on the desktop.

    If Micro$oft could push all of those (at least somewhat) established platforms out of the market, what chance does a newcomer have?

    But the thing is, again from my perspective, as a user, not a developer
    of operating systems, is that what you want - and IBM, Red Hat etc
    understand this - is a reliable secure bug free platform on which to
    write applications that is easily ported to whatever hardware is available. >>
    And in that context 30 years of development beats a new kid on the block
    every day.

    It's almost impossible to come from behind, in these markets.

    People are still trying and reading Distowatch on a frequent basis I
    find this:
    2024-09-10 OS Release: Redox OS 0.9.0

    Redox OS is a UNIX-like, general-purpose, microkernel-based operating system written in Rust. The project's latest release, version 0.9.0, introduces COSMIC desktop applications, a custom web server, improved performance and stability, and the Nano
    text editor has been ported

    Good luck to them. I am too tired to
    start over with a new OS at this point in my
    life but young people will try it and maybe it is
    as big a winner as Linux in another 20 or 30
    years..
    bliss - who hopes that she does not suffer that long.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to chrisv on Fri Sep 20 08:33:00 2024
    On 9/20/24 04:59, chrisv wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    If Linux had existed we would never have had DOS

    Linux on an 8088 and 64k of RAM? 8)

    I guess the 68000 was also an option...

    No but the 68020 with the memory management systen chip added might
    work. But those were not cheap when in productions. That is why
    the $5.00 68000 chip was chosen by Amiga/Commodore and why the memory management from TriPOS was discarded. I dunno why Mac went
    the same route.

    The memory for these old 16/32 bit chips was not very inexpensive
    either.
    I spent hundreds of dollars on memory expansions and on
    accelerator cards finally with the 68060 at 50 MegaHertz and
    about 32 Megabytes of ram. Still no real memory management
    and it had problems with running a text editor and a Web Browser.
    The great thing was that it had Aminet where shareware and
    freeware could be downloaded along with the latest patches.

    Linux is good but still Thunderbird cannot do the
    tricks that Yet Another Mailer did nor the Usenet access
    programs. Of course it was invented before .html was a
    standard and we only had to deal wth BBSes and ansi
    codes.

    bliss

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sat Sep 21 00:04:15 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:33:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Linux is good but still Thunderbird cannot do the
    tricks that Yet Another Mailer did nor the Usenet access programs.

    Luckily, those are not the only programs available on Linux systems for
    that sort of purpose.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Charlie Gibbs on Fri Sep 20 18:08:37 2024
    On 9/20/24 11:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    clinker wrote:

    OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
    proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks as no >>>> one remembers it.

    We also had Amigas and Atari ST's, before it become impractical to
    compete with the Wintel juggernaut on the desktop.

    If Micro$oft could push all of those (at least somewhat) established
    platforms out of the market, what chance does a newcomer have?

    The Amiga would have fared much better if Commodore's board wasn't
    so busy running the company into the ground while siphoning off
    bigger salaries than IBM's bigwigs were getting.

    Very, very true. The owner of the massive debt demanded
    thet the company be liquidated so he could recover as much as
    possbile from cut rate sales of the silliest models..

    bliss
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Lester Thorpe on Fri Sep 20 18:13:11 2024
    On 9/20/24 12:11, Lester Thorpe wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:40:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:


    The Amiga would have fared much better if Commodore's board wasn't
    so busy running the company into the ground while siphoning off
    bigger salaries than IBM's bigwigs were getting.


    Who gives a flying fuck about 50-year-old computing. That shit
    is long dead and buried so why the need to resurrect the stench?

    The future, and present, is GNU/Linux/FOSS/FreeBSD.

    Keep your comments progressive and keep your nostalgia up
    your fucking ass where it belongs.



    We oldsters are entitled to use Usenet as we please
    and if you are so young try out Redox. CBM failed only
    30 years ago, when I was in my youthful 50s. Aminet is
    still up and serving the latest version of AmigaOS on expensive
    machines.

    bliss

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Sep 20 18:15:59 2024
    On 9/20/24 17:00, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:40:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    The Amiga would have fared much better if Commodore's board wasn't so
    busy running the company into the ground while siphoning off bigger
    salaries than IBM's bigwigs were getting.

    The Amiga made a giant leap in hardware capability, then stood still as competitors surpassed it. For example, the Apple Mac was able to improve
    its hardware with minimal breakage in app compatibility, because of its
    good software abstractions. Whereas Amiga apps had to work directly with
    the hardware, so that hardware could not be improved without breaking
    those apps.

    Good applications on the Amiga did not run directly on the
    hardware. The AmigaOS ran on the hardware and lots of gamers and
    demo-coders would exploit the hardware ignoring the OS. The OS had
    everything
    but memory management.

    bliss

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sat Sep 21 09:21:56 2024
    On 21/09/2024 02:08, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 9/20/24 11:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    clinker wrote:

    OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
    proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks
    as no
    one remembers it.

    We also had Amigas and Atari ST's, before it become impractical to
    compete with the Wintel juggernaut on the desktop.

    If Micro$oft could push all of those (at least somewhat) established
    platforms out of the market, what chance does a newcomer have?

    The Amiga would have fared much better if Commodore's board wasn't
    so busy running the company into the ground while siphoning off
    bigger salaries than IBM's bigwigs were getting.

        Very, very true. The owner of the massive debt demanded
    thet the company be liquidated so he could recover as much as
    possbile from cut rate sales of the silliest models..

    The owner of the debt was probably perfectly entitled to do just that.

    Money doesnt come without strings


        bliss

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    “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
    obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
    they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

    ― Leo Tolstoy

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