• Linux advocacy (was: Re: Anybody Using IPv6?)

    From vallor@21:1/5 to Shadow on Sun May 18 00:11:49 2025
    On Sat, 17 May 2025 15:13:28 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote in <r7kh2ktuo8sl5hrn77gih786uqdklfnvqq@4ax.com>:

    On 17 May 2025 18:01:35 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 18:42:47 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote
    in <pan$e6d88$f019cb49$2e3cccf9$253bfbf1@linux.rocks>:

    GNU/Linux has total IPv6 capabilities but this is also fully
    configurable.

    Since I operate a standalone workstation that is only connected to the
    Internet via Comcast, my system and software configuration only
    includes IPv4. (My local network certainly does not require it.)

    IOW, I don't need IPv6 and therefore I exclude it.

    Does anybody use or need IPv6?

    I suppose that since the vast majority of GNU/Linux users depend on a
    distro and that since most distros automatically enable IPv6 the
    answer is that most users have IPv6 enabled whether they need it or
    not.

    (It's considered good netiquette to announce a followup-to when >>crossposting. Please consider doing that in the future.)

    I didn't notice the OP had set a follow up to COLA. Had I
    noticed I wouldn't have replied....
    COLA is Troll-Land.
    []'s

    Some of us folks are trying to be topical in cola. Still, it needs
    a fairly robust killfile, because it gets a lot of political spam.

    (For a while, I was posting build reports in there as new
    kernels came out, but there doesn't seem to be much interest.)

    One could argue that Linux advocacy isn't all that necessary
    anymore, since it has already all but taken over the planet.
    (Except for the desktop, of course -- that is still a Windows world.)

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to vallor on Sat May 17 23:45:43 2025
    On 5/17/25 8:11 PM, vallor wrote:
    On Sat, 17 May 2025 15:13:28 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote in <r7kh2ktuo8sl5hrn77gih786uqdklfnvqq@4ax.com>:

    On 17 May 2025 18:01:35 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 18:42:47 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote
    in <pan$e6d88$f019cb49$2e3cccf9$253bfbf1@linux.rocks>:

    GNU/Linux has total IPv6 capabilities but this is also fully
    configurable.

    Since I operate a standalone workstation that is only connected to the >>>> Internet via Comcast, my system and software configuration only
    includes IPv4. (My local network certainly does not require it.)

    IOW, I don't need IPv6 and therefore I exclude it.

    Does anybody use or need IPv6?

    I suppose that since the vast majority of GNU/Linux users depend on a
    distro and that since most distros automatically enable IPv6 the
    answer is that most users have IPv6 enabled whether they need it or
    not.

    (It's considered good netiquette to announce a followup-to when
    crossposting. Please consider doing that in the future.)

    I didn't notice the OP had set a follow up to COLA. Had I
    noticed I wouldn't have replied....
    COLA is Troll-Land.
    []'s

    Some of us folks are trying to be topical in cola. Still, it needs
    a fairly robust killfile, because it gets a lot of political spam.

    (For a while, I was posting build reports in there as new
    kernels came out, but there doesn't seem to be much interest.)

    One could argue that Linux advocacy isn't all that necessary
    anymore, since it has already all but taken over the planet.
    (Except for the desktop, of course -- that is still a Windows world.)


    Ummmm ... Linux/BSD is a *niche* ... but has not
    'taken over the planet' and likely never will
    except in the 'systems' universe.

    Yes, we know the -IX perspective IS better ... but
    Granny and friends are NOT gonna get it. They will
    stick with Winders/Apple forever and ever. They do
    NOT understand that 'easier/prettier' = vulnerability
    and exploitation and/or DON'T CARE.

    Anyway, the SMART people will use -IX ... the REST
    get to suffer horribly.

    Right in the middle of installing FreeBSD on one
    of my mini-PCs ... not 100% sure what I'm gonna
    DO with it, but I'll find SOMETHING useful. The
    DRIVERS issue HAS been an irritant ... it cannot
    detect the wi-fi chip. However its destiny is
    to be plugged direct into the router, so ....

    As for IPV6 ... my ISP doesn't use it. NO use at
    all - so I disable it to prevent problems.

    IPV6 or something like it WILL be NECESSARY in
    maybe five years or so alas. IPV4 seemed like
    it'd last forever ... until IOT and a zillion
    2nd/3rd-world sign-ups and .......

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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to c186282@nnada.net on Sun May 18 10:02:22 2025
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    Ummmm ... Linux/BSD is a *niche* ... but has not
    'taken over the planet' and likely never will
    except in the 'systems' universe.

    That is true for desktops and laptops. But desktops and laptops are a
    niche.

    Phones? Tablets? The market is led by Systems running a very BSD-like
    system (iOS) or at least with a Linux kernel (Android).

    Servers? The market is led by Unixoid systems. The vast majority of
    existing cloud systems runs GNU/Linux.

    As for IPV6 ... my ISP doesn't use it. NO use at
    all - so I disable it to prevent problems.

    That's a really stupid idea.

    Greetings
    Marc
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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Marc Haber on Sun May 18 20:27:43 2025
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 10:02:22 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

    Servers? The market is led by Unixoid systems. The vast majority of
    existing cloud systems runs GNU/Linux.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Linux

    If you look at AWS Linux becomes very attractive. A Windows Server
    instance is much more expensive than any of the Linux flavors. Call it
    what you will but for some strange reason Windows Server is cheaper on
    Azure.

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  • From Marc Haber@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon May 19 08:13:31 2025
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 10:02:22 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

    Servers? The market is led by Unixoid systems. The vast majority of
    existing cloud systems runs GNU/Linux.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Linux

    If you look at AWS Linux becomes very attractive. A Windows Server
    instance is much more expensive than any of the Linux flavors.

    Thanks for proving my point.

    Call it
    what you will but for some strange reason Windows Server is cheaper on
    Azure.

    Might be because Azure's owner doesn't have to pay for Windows
    licenses?

    Greetings
    Marc
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