On Sat, 17 May 2025 16:20:02 -0000 (UTC), db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com>
wrote in <100acvi$fftn$2@dont-email.me>:

I run Kubuntu, at the moment v. 22.04 LTS. But when I boot up I am told
that I should upgrade to 24.04.2.
So I do an update and an upgrade as recomended, and then

sudo do-release-upgrade Checking for a new Ubuntu release Please

install all available updates for your release before upgrading.

See if you have packages held back due to phasing. You do that by
inspecting the output of apt upgrade, which currently on my
Ubuntu-derived Linux Mint system says:

_ _ _ _ _ _ _
The following upgrades have been deferred due to phasing:
grub-efi-amd64-bin
The following packages have been kept back:
grub-efi-amd64-signed
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
N: Some packages may have been kept back due to phasing.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

So, after careful consideration[*], I decided it was worth the risk
to go ahead and upgrade these packages. Here's how I did that:

$ sudo apt install --only-upgrade grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed

[*] Don't just go off willy-nilly forcing a phased update -- make sure
you understand the risks.

Why? I just did. How do I proceed?
Or do I need to? Someone tells me that 22.04 LTS is supported until
2027. Is that true?
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db wrote:

Or do I need to? Someone tells me that 22.04 LTS is supported
until 2027. Is that true?

You do not need to. I am on Ubuntu 22.04 and I see no reason why I
should update at all. I registered for free with Canonical and now get
updates for 10 instead of 5 years, so what's the point if you are happy
with the system as it is?

-jw-
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On Sat, 17 May 2025 19:01:42 +0200, Joerg Walther wrote:

... so what's the point if you are happy with the system as it is?

It may be OK to run old versions of software (with updates for bugs/
security holes) on a server, but on a desktop, that rapidly gets boring.
You want new features in the productivity suites, content-creation apps,
and all the rest of it. That keeps life interesting.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

It may be OK to run old versions of software (with updates for bugs/
security holes) on a server, but on a desktop, that rapidly gets boring.
You want new features in the productivity suites, content-creation apps,
and all the rest of it.

No, I don't. I have setup a bunch of applications exactly the way I want
it, they do exactly what I want them to do, so currently I do not see
any need for anything new. I only use 10% max of the features
LibreOffice offers, so why bother about additional ones? Not every user
is the same, and btw. my newsreader (running in Wine) is from 2009.

That keeps life interesting.

Humbug! :)

-jw-
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On 2025-05-18, Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

It may be OK to run old versions of software (with updates for bugs/
security holes) on a server, but on a desktop, that rapidly gets boring.
You want new features in the productivity suites, content-creation apps,
and all the rest of it.

No, I don't. I have setup a bunch of applications exactly the way I want
it, they do exactly what I want them to do, so currently I do not see
any need for anything new. I only use 10% max of the features
LibreOffice offers, so why bother about additional ones? Not every user
is the same, and btw. my newsreader (running in Wine) is from 2009.

That keeps life interesting.

Humbug! :)

IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring. Ugly as in not
full of eye candy that gets in the way of getting the job done,
and boring as in Just Working with no nasty surprises.

My life is interesting enough doing the things I want to do.
I don't need someone else telling me what is interesting.
Too many corporations define "interesting" as making me
work on a treadmill for them while they rake in billions.
Screw 'em all.

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On Sun, 18 May 2025 23:04:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring.

Servers need to be boring. And rock-solid. Because the client entrusts mission-critical revenue-generating operations to them.

My life is interesting enough doing the things I want to do.
I don't need someone else telling me what is interesting.

This is why I get to choose what to install on my systems, and what not
to.

My starting point for my own main machine is Debian Unstable, as being a baseline of reasonably bleeding-edge goodies on which I can make things
even more bleeding-edge as I choose. ;)

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On Mon, 19 May 2025 01:01:32 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

My starting point for my own main machine is Debian Unstable, as being a baseline of reasonably bleeding-edge goodies on which I can make things
even more bleeding-edge as I choose.

I've got several boxes but one the Fedora one at least the blood has
coagulated a bit before they roll it out. Judging by the frequent updates
of some modules, maybe some of them could have used a little more time in
the recovery room.

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