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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-04 15:40, Marc Haber wrote:
Come on, boys, we have the 2020ies, and pgrep and pkill have been
around for two decades now.
Care to explain? I've never used them, what's the advantage?
Care to look at the man pages and ask questions?
I am an old fart myself, and I refrain from using killall since it
does different things on Solaris than on Linux.
I don't have or do any Solaris.
And if you do, you'll kill all.
Greetings
Marc
On 2025-04-05 15:44, Marc Haber wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-04 15:40, Marc Haber wrote:
Come on, boys, we have the 2020ies, and pgrep and pkill have been
around for two decades now.
Care to explain? I've never used them, what's the advantage?
Care to look at the man pages and ask questions?
No.
I am an old fart myself, and I refrain from using killall since it
does different things on Solaris than on Linux.
I don't have or do any Solaris.
And if you do, you'll kill all.
That's fine.
Le 06-04-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit :
On 2025-04-05 15:44, Marc Haber wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-04 15:40, Marc Haber wrote:
Come on, boys, we have the 2020ies, and pgrep and pkill have been
around for two decades now.
Care to explain? I've never used them, what's the advantage?
Care to look at the man pages and ask questions?
No.
I am an old fart myself, and I refrain from using killall since it
does different things on Solaris than on Linux.
I don't have or do any Solaris.
And if you do, you'll kill all.
That's fine.
Same for me. I'm not using Solaris and killall always did what I wanted,
so except for a good reason, I'll keep using it.
The good reason is accident prevention. Like putting on a seat belt.
Or not driving on the other side of the road even if noone's there.
Driving down the middle gives you more chance to swerve
to avoid the deer that suddenly appears at the road edge.
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 12:00:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Driving down the middle gives you more chance to swerve
to avoid the deer that suddenly appears at the road edge.
Do not stare at the deer that runs across in front of you.
Look *behind* him to see the one that will follow.
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 12:00:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Driving down the middle gives you more chance to swerve to avoid the
deer that suddenly appears at the road edge.
Do not stare at the deer that runs across in front of you.
Look *behind* him to see the one that will follow.
On 4/7/25 4:42 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 12:00:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Driving down the middle gives you more chance to swerve to avoid the
deer that suddenly appears at the road edge.
Do not stare at the deer that runs across in front of you.
Look *behind* him to see the one that will follow.
Absolutely !!!
And I used to travel by motorcycle a lot .
DID see one of those 'live cop' shows recently where they were
chasing some guy on a bike at night. Long chase, then suddenly a deer
bolts out of a field and T-bones the biker and his girlfriend ! Chase
over :-)
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 18:04:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 4/7/25 4:42 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 12:00:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Driving down the middle gives you more chance to swerve to avoid the
deer that suddenly appears at the road edge.
Do not stare at the deer that runs across in front of you.
Look *behind* him to see the one that will follow.
Absolutely !!!
And I used to travel by motorcycle a lot .
DID see one of those 'live cop' shows recently where they were
chasing some guy on a bike at night. Long chase, then suddenly a deer
bolts out of a field and T-bones the biker and his girlfriend ! Chase
over :-)
The downside of this area is the roads that are interesting on a bike are where the deer and antelope play. And bears. And elk. And moose.
However my Mom was on a BUS TOUR in northern Maine and the Canadian
maritimes ... and a huge moose decided to attack the damned bus. Took
off one of the front wheels, total disaster.
NOT so good for the idiot moose either .....
Bull Moose seem to be very large things with an IQ of nine plus a
massive testosterone overdose.
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:51:15 -0400, c186282 wrote:
However my Mom was on a BUS TOUR in northern Maine and the Canadian
maritimes ... and a huge moose decided to attack the damned bus. Took
off one of the front wheels, total disaster.
NOT so good for the idiot moose either .....
Bull Moose seem to be very large things with an IQ of nine plus a
massive testosterone overdose.
People think I'm strange because I worry more about moose than bears or
cats. There's some history there. Camping in a meadow off the trail in NH, I'd just gotten up and was cooking breakfast when I heard crashing through the woods. The moose walked through the meadow missing my tent by a few
feet. If he'd been off course he would have plowed through the tent and
not noticed.
Hiking in VT I saw what I first thought were two horseback riders on a
cross trail up the slope. It isn't all that common, but people do trail
ride back east. They turned down the trail I was on and I realized it was
a pair of moose. I'm not much of a tree climber but the trees were all 4"
DBH or less. I didn't think a .38 would impress them. They split off on either side of the trail and flanked me. I didn't know if they were being polite or planning on a pincer attack.
One of my favorite cartoons was in a local ME paper after they opened the first moose season in decades. Redneck one was painting a target on a complacent moose. Redneck two was sitting in a lawn chair with his rifle
and a can of beer.
The season is coming rapidly when the tourons come to Jellystone to pet
the moose, buffalo, grizzlies, and anything else they can get close to. They'd probably try for a selfie with a wolf if they could find one.
The season is coming rapidly when the tourons come to Jellystone to pet
the moose, buffalo, grizzlies, and anything else they can get close to.
They'd probably try for a selfie with a wolf if they could find one.
A Møøse once bit my sister ...
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the m00se with the
sharpened end of an interspace t00thbrush given by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian m0vies:
“The H0t Hands of an Oslo Dentist”, “Fillings of Passion”,
“The Huge M0lars of Horst Nordfink”.
On 7 Apr 2025 22:40:30 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Then there are the suicidal deer. I had one cross the eastbound
interstate lanes to safely get to the median strip. Then he made a
u-turn and tried to cross back. I was driving a Kenworth at the time
so it was 'Sorry, Bambi!'
I had one slalom back and forth in front of me for a good 300' before
he finally lost his footing and took a header into the ditch.
I s'pect it's some aeons-old predator-evasion tactic that makes them do
this, but *boy* is it Not Adaptational for dealing with road traffic.
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2025 22:40:30 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Then there are the suicidal deer. I had one cross the eastbound
interstate lanes to safely get to the median strip. Then he made a
u-turn and tried to cross back. I was driving a Kenworth at the time
so it was 'Sorry, Bambi!'
I had one slalom back and forth in front of me for a good 300' before
he finally lost his footing and took a header into the ditch.
Here down under kangaroos are no better. I chased one along the
side of the road for over a kilometer, with it crossing sides in
front of me each time I tried to "overtake". _Eventually_ it
remembered that it could jump over the fences on either side of the
road and bounded over one.
I s'pect it's some aeons-old predator-evasion tactic that makes them do
this, but *boy* is it Not Adaptational for dealing with road traffic.
With 'roos I think the consesus is that they're just plain stupid.
But lighter than a deer at least.
Back to computers, I heard that kangaroos were befuddling
animal-detection software for self-driving cars during testing.
Each time one jumped the software thought it had suddenly gone
further away then gotten closer again.
Here it is: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-24/driverless-cars-in-australia-face-challenge-of-roo-problem/8574816
Oh boy, looks like they still haven't figured out how to handle
them: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-19/self-driving-cars-kangaroo-research/103993614
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Okay, enough of that... I don't use -9 but killall is handy in small
doses.
I use -KILL instead of -9, but if you've got a program that's gone
nuts and it's ingoring SIGTERM, what else can you do? True you
shouldn't need to use it with intended behaviour like in the
article though.
Another handy signal for killall is -0, which does nothing. It's
handy because you can check whether a process with a certain name
exists or not, eg.
$ killall -q -0 tin && echo "Tin is running"
Tin is running
You can also use pgrep?
On 2025-04-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
The season is coming rapidly when the tourons come to Jellystone to pet
the moose, buffalo, grizzlies, and anything else they can get close to.
They'd probably try for a selfie with a wolf if they could find one.
A Møøse once bit my sister ...
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the m00se with the
sharpened end of an interspace t00thbrush given by Svenge - her
brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian m0vies:
“The H0t Hands of an Oslo Dentist”, “Fillings of Passion”,
“The Huge M0lars of Horst Nordfink”.
We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible
have been sacked.
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
You can also use pgrep?
Too easy. Those guys rather use the footguns. They despise progress.
Greetings
Marc
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 15:40:46 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
I am an old fart myself, and I refrain from using killall since it does
different things on Solaris than on Linux.
My use of killall is very limited. On Ubuntu Brave is a snap and updating
a running process is beyond snap's capabilities. Brave spawns a lot of processes and 'killall brave' gets rid of them with the advantage that it will restore your tabs on restart.
Le 07-04-2025, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> a écrit :
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
Le 06-04-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit :
On 2025-04-05 15:44, Marc Haber wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-04 15:40, Marc Haber wrote:
I am an old fart myself, and I refrain from using killall since it >>>>>>> does different things on Solaris than on Linux.
I don't have or do any Solaris.
And if you do, you'll kill all.
That's fine.
Same for me. I'm not using Solaris and killall always did what I wanted, >>> so except for a good reason, I'll keep using it.
The good reason is accident prevention. Like putting on a seat belt.
Or not driving on the other side of the road even if noone's there.
For me, it's easier to avoid accident by giving the name of the program
I want to stop to killall, than by giving the number of the process to
kill. By far. Because I can make a mistake in copying the process number
or in looking at the line in which it's displayed. When it's very
difficult to make a mistake using the name and the tabular key to use
the name of the process.
So, for me, killall is by far the best way to prevent accidents. And
knowing it's working differently on slowlaris, which I don't use, isn't
an interesting reason for me to stop using it.
For me, it's easier to avoid accident by giving the name of the program
I want to stop to killall, than by giving the number of the process to
kill.
On 2025-04-12 12:21, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 07-04-2025, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> a écrit :
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
Le 06-04-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit :
On 2025-04-05 15:44, Marc Haber wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-04 15:40, Marc Haber wrote:
I am an old fart myself, and I refrain from using killall since it >>>>>>>> does different things on Solaris than on Linux.
I don't have or do any Solaris.
And if you do, you'll kill all.
That's fine.
Same for me. I'm not using Solaris and killall always did what I
wanted,
so except for a good reason, I'll keep using it.
The good reason is accident prevention. Like putting on a seat belt.
Or not driving on the other side of the road even if noone's there.
For me, it's easier to avoid accident by giving the name of the program
I want to stop to killall, than by giving the number of the process to
kill. By far. Because I can make a mistake in copying the process number
or in looking at the line in which it's displayed. When it's very
difficult to make a mistake using the name and the tabular key to use
the name of the process.
So, for me, killall is by far the best way to prevent accidents. And
knowing it's working differently on slowlaris, which I don't use, isn't
an interesting reason for me to stop using it.
Same here.
The only snag, of course, is that there can be multiple processes.
Hopefully we know that. Run killall as user, not root.
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
Le 06-04-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit :
On 2025-04-05 15:44, Marc Haber wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-04 15:40, Marc Haber wrote:
I am an old fart myself, and I refrain from using killall since it >>>>>> does different things on Solaris than on Linux.
I don't have or do any Solaris.
And if you do, you'll kill all.
That's fine.
Same for me. I'm not using Solaris and killall always did what I wanted,
so except for a good reason, I'll keep using it.
The good reason is accident prevention. Like putting on a seat belt.
Or not driving on the other side of the road even if noone's there.