• Re: Musk et al.

    From rbowman@21:1/5 to chrisv on Sun Feb 16 03:36:11 2025
    On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:23:37 -0600, chrisv wrote:

    At least they are smart and working for a better America. Far better
    than the radical leftist assholes who were leading-around Biden.

    What scares me is if they ever get back in power with their pens and
    phones. What Trump is doing with executive orders needs to be codified but
    I don't know if the Republicans have to balls to do it, particularly
    wastes of oxygen like McConnell.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Feb 16 11:52:53 2025
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:

    On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:23:37 -0600, chrisv wrote:

    At least they are smart and working for a better America. Far better
    than the radical leftist assholes who were leading-around Biden.

    What scares me is if they ever get back in power with their pens and
    phones. What Trump is doing with executive orders needs to be codified but
    I don't know if the Republicans have to balls to do it, particularly
    wastes of oxygen like McConnell.

    Of course. Once the "democrats" are back... it will be time for the big reversal, were all the things being torn down now, will be built up just
    as quickly and all children indoctrination programs will be started again.

    After all, the democrats have worked for generations, Trump is 4 years. He cannot undone the damage of generations in 4 years, that is just common
    sense.

    The republican need 2 more wins I think, in order to root out woke:ism. I
    do not see that happening unless Trump pulls some nifty tricks with who is allowed to vote.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Feb 16 16:35:31 2025
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 11:42:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    With Trump v1 I hoped Australia's eternal arse kissing of America
    might become at least a bit less blind. Nope, still with 'em all
    the way. Same this time no doubt - Australian intelligence agencies
    will be the last ones to stop sharing every little scrap of info
    they get on anyone to the USA where they officially don't give a
    stuff about the rights of any Australian. Trump will keep the deal
    to sell us nuclear subs going, but that won't actually happen until
    after he's long gone anyway (out of office, and probably also died
    of old age by then).

    Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the world, that
    australia is turning into a surveillance state?

    Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this is a new
    global trend that caught on after corona?

    You're at least 20 years behind. They've been surveillance
    states for ages...
    []'s
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    We have a new policy - Google 2012
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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 16 16:36:57 2025
    On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:23:37 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    In fact, at this time he is being lead around by far smarter people.

    At least they are smart and working for a better America. Far better
    than the radical leftist assholes who were leading-around Biden.

    That fscking creep called people "white supremacists" for voting
    Republican. That fscking creep censored free speech. That fscking
    creep opened our borders to the dregs of the Earth. That fscking
    creep sought to make our country weak while China laughs and builds
    hundreds of more coal plants. That fscking creep advocated for the >castration and mutilation of confused children.

    I could go on.

    And that's the problem with idiots. They CAN go on, so they DO
    go on, and on, and on.....
    []'s
    --
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    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Shadow on Sun Feb 16 21:08:24 2025
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:35:31 -0300, Shadow wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 11:42:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    With Trump v1 I hoped Australia's eternal arse kissing of America
    might become at least a bit less blind. Nope, still with 'em all the
    way. Same this time no doubt - Australian intelligence agencies will
    be the last ones to stop sharing every little scrap of info they get
    on anyone to the USA where they officially don't give a stuff about
    the rights of any Australian. Trump will keep the deal to sell us
    nuclear subs going, but that won't actually happen until after he's
    long gone anyway (out of office, and probably also died of old age by
    then).

    Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the
    world, that australia is turning into a surveillance state?

    Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this
    is a new global trend that caught on after corona?

    You're at least 20 years behind. They've been surveillance
    states for ages...
    []'s

    Australia or Sweden. About 35 years ago I was more or less living off the
    grid and got talking to a man at the laundromat who was in the same
    situation. I'd been interested in Australia for a long time. It turned out
    he had returned to the US after living there for several years. According
    to him no matter how much freedom the US had lost Australia was much
    worse.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Feb 17 08:02:58 2025
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:35:31 -0300, Shadow wrote:
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 11:42:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the >>>world, that australia is turning into a surveillance state?

    Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this >>>is a new global trend that caught on after corona?

    You're at least 20 years behind. They've been surveillance
    states for ages...
    []'s

    Australia or Sweden. About 35 years ago I was more or less living off the grid and got talking to a man at the laundromat who was in the same situation. I'd been interested in Australia for a long time. It turned out
    he had returned to the US after living there for several years. According
    to him no matter how much freedom the US had lost Australia was much
    worse.

    Any extra freedoms we do accidentally have get rectified as soon as
    the USA gives our government the nudge, such as with the laws
    allowing any encryption to be cirumvented. Evidently laws to
    achieve that already existed in the USA with what happened to
    Lavabit.

    Besides strict gun control in Aus (albeit fairly ineffective), I
    think a lot of the differences would vary between individual US
    states and Australian states/territories. Things like private use
    of fireworks is still allowed in the Northern Territory.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Computer Nerd Kev on Mon Feb 17 05:04:37 2025
    On 17 Feb 2025 08:02:58 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Besides strict gun control in Aus (albeit fairly ineffective), I think a
    lot of the differences would vary between individual US states and
    Australian states/territories. Things like private use of fireworks is
    still allowed in the Northern Territory.

    There is even finer granularity in the US. In many states fireworks are
    illegal across the board. They are legal in this state but are illegal
    withing city limits. The city's boundary is rather irregular but around
    the 4th of July you can tell where it is by the fireworks stands set up on
    the county side of the line.

    It was rectified a couple of years ago but previously you did not need a concealed carry permit in unincorporated areas in the county but did in
    the city. On a national level it's even more confusing. I don't have a
    problem with that. I believe most legislation should be at the state or municipality level. If a state such as California has idiotic laws I don't
    have to visit there. That's immensely preferable to the idiots trying to
    pass national legislation.

    I haven't been in the south in some time but there used to be dry counties either completely or partially.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Feb 17 11:49:28 2025
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:35:31 -0300, Shadow wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 11:42:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:



    On Sat, 16 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    With Trump v1 I hoped Australia's eternal arse kissing of America
    might become at least a bit less blind. Nope, still with 'em all the
    way. Same this time no doubt - Australian intelligence agencies will
    be the last ones to stop sharing every little scrap of info they get
    on anyone to the USA where they officially don't give a stuff about
    the rights of any Australian. Trump will keep the deal to sell us
    nuclear subs going, but that won't actually happen until after he's
    long gone anyway (out of office, and probably also died of old age by
    then).

    Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the
    world, that australia is turning into a surveillance state?

    Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this
    is a new global trend that caught on after corona?

    You're at least 20 years behind. They've been surveillance
    states for ages...
    []'s

    Australia or Sweden. About 35 years ago I was more or less living off the grid and got talking to a man at the laundromat who was in the same situation. I'd been interested in Australia for a long time. It turned out
    he had returned to the US after living there for several years. According
    to him no matter how much freedom the US had lost Australia was much
    worse.


    This would be my idea of australia today. I thought about moving there 15
    years ago or so, but in the end didn't.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Computer Nerd Kev on Mon Feb 17 13:42:03 2025
    On Sun, 17 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:35:31 -0300, Shadow wrote:
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 11:42:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the
    world, that australia is turning into a surveillance state?

    Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this >>>> is a new global trend that caught on after corona?

    You're at least 20 years behind. They've been surveillance
    states for ages...
    []'s

    Australia or Sweden. About 35 years ago I was more or less living off the
    grid and got talking to a man at the laundromat who was in the same
    situation. I'd been interested in Australia for a long time. It turned out >> he had returned to the US after living there for several years. According
    to him no matter how much freedom the US had lost Australia was much
    worse.

    Any extra freedoms we do accidentally have get rectified as soon as
    the USA gives our government the nudge, such as with the laws
    allowing any encryption to be cirumvented. Evidently laws to
    achieve that already existed in the USA with what happened to
    Lavabit.

    Besides strict gun control in Aus (albeit fairly ineffective), I
    think a lot of the differences would vary between individual US
    states and Australian states/territories. Things like private use
    of fireworks is still allowed in the Northern Territory.

    Fear not! I'm sure fireworks will be forbidden in all EU countries soon.
    Then there's no longer any point in celebrating new years in the EU. I
    imagine they will ban christmas next. ;)

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andreas Eder on Tue Feb 18 09:25:51 2025
    On 17/02/2025 15:54, Andreas Eder wrote:
    On Mo 17 Feb 2025 at 09:10, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:



    I think we're better-off than most, in the West. We're not getting
    thrown in jail for "mean" social media posts, for example.

    Oh. some people are, in the UK

    No, you only get fired when you do climate research.

    Or anything else that prioritises truth over political ideology
    'Andreas


    --
    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
    ― Groucho Marx

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Lars Poulsen on Tue Feb 18 10:45:50 2025
    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:

    On 2025-02-17, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Red, rural and bible-thumping US. It is my belief, that if you stick to >>>> rural areas in the US, the surveillance will be a minimum. Other areas >>>> I've considered are switzerland (the southern italien part),
    liechtenstein, the channel islands, the isle of man.

    If you are of a socialist bent, iceland could also be a small, more or >>>> less forgotten place, in the middle of nowhere. =)

    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
    But will Iceland grant you residency?

    Iceland is in Schengen, so you can visit (it's a "domestic flight" from
    Frankfurt or Copenhagen). And a bit of Googling teaches me that EU and
    EFTA citizens can live in Iceland without a visa.

    Non-EU, non-Scandinavians ... not so easy.

    On 2025-02-17, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Not only is there Schengen, there is also a nordic treaty which name
    escapes me for the moment, which makes it super easy for scandinavians to
    move around, and it also covers iceland I think. I do know plenty of
    icelanders move to scandinavia since they are bored with iceland.

    Hmm, yes, could be more difficult, but since you are danish by birth, and
    perhaps still have your citizenship, I think it should be pretty easy for
    you to relocate to iceland. For your daughter... difficult to say.

    I would be very surprised to find myself leaving "New Denmark" (a.k.a. California). My daughter might move to Denmark, but not Iceland.

    Well, I think she should try it for at least 6 months or 12 months, just
    for the experience. Working in the academic sector, maybe it would be
    possible to get a sabbatical?

    You, on the other hand might rediscover your ancestry - but what about
    your wife? She would probably not be able to practice law there.

    Oh, I've been to iceland enough times for a lifetime. I have very little interest in exploring my ancestry, beyond what I have been told by my
    parents. My father, is trying to push me to reconnect with relatives in iceland, but I have zero interest in that.

    As for the wife, yes, this is a problem with a law degree. Currently, her
    plan is to eitehr give up lawyering, since she is not so happy with her
    career choice, or, switch to GDPR/EU law and try to land a remote job
    somewhere at a european company, or possibly a non-profit. I think she
    probably would have to go down in salary though, compared with her current
    jobs which she hates, and I am trying to say that since she hates it, and
    since I can more than provide for us both, maybe for her mental health and enjoyment of life, it could be worth it?

    To be continued! As the saying goes...

    But we've decided to sell my apartment in the east, and live the nomadic
    life style for a year or so. In my apartment the community decided on 24/7 camera surveillance and I cannot accept this. Hence we're leaving.

    Also, with inflation, it's become quite expensive to live here, so by
    settling on a combination of spain, sweden, and a third country (to be
    decided) the cost of living would be cut by 25% or so, which is also a
    nice thing! =)

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