• Re: Alternative to Optical Storage????

    From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Sep 30 19:40:09 2024
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
    In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.

    Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(

    Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
    DVDs are nothing compared to that.

    Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.


    Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Tue Oct 1 05:35:46 2024
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
    In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.

    Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(

    Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
    DVDs are nothing compared to that.

    Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.

    Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.

    Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P
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  • From Robert Riches@21:1/5 to 186282@ud0s4.net on Wed Oct 2 03:28:00 2024
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Oct 8 21:40:04 2024
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 05:05 this Friday (GMT):
    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote:
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> >> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
    In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.

    Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(

    Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
    DVDs are nothing compared to that.

    That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an
    external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive.
    Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.

    Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.

    Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P

    From what media to what media?

    Using what data path?

    Internal SATA 7200 RPM 2 GB HDD to external 2.5" 5 TB USB3 HDDs.


    Oh cool
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  • From Lars Poulsen@21:1/5 to Lars Poulsen on Tue Oct 8 23:22:09 2024
    Some time ago, Lars Poulsen wrote:
    Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >>> >>>> DVDs are nothing compared to that.
    That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an
    external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive.

    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.

    On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote:
    Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P

    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    From what media to what media?
    Using what data path?

    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 05:05 this Friday (GMT):
    Internal SATA 7200 RPM 2 GB HDD to external 2.5" 5 TB USB3 HDDs.

    I am not surprised that a BD-R drive is slower than a HDD.

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  • From Lars Poulsen@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Oct 2 19:14:32 2024
    On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote:
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
    In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.

    Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(

    Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
    DVDs are nothing compared to that.

    That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an
    external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive.
    Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.

    Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.

    Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P

    From what media to what media?

    Using what data path?

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Oct 3 16:00:05 2024
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 05:35 this Tuesday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
    In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.

    Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(

    Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc.
    DVDs are nothing compared to that.

    Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.

    Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.

    Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P


    Is that a good or bad speed?
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Lars Poulsen on Fri Oct 4 05:05:44 2024
    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    On 30/09/2024 22:35, Ant wrote:
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 00:15 this Monday (GMT):
    Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    On 28/09/2024 16:14, Ant wrote:
    In comp.os.linux.misc Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
    +1 for M-Disc BDR. I use the 100GB version.

    Aren't they slow? Burning DVDs and CDs take forever! :(

    Yeah, my 60 GB weekly backup set takes about 3 hours to get on disc. >>>> DVDs are nothing compared to that.

    That is burning 55GB to a 100GB-capable BD-R/M-disc, using USB-3 to an external Pioneer M-Disc compatible BD-R drive.
    Oof. Even copying files with USB between HDDs is slow enough for me. Haha.

    Might be a issue with your computer? That's weird.

    Like overnight, I copied 455 GB that took about 1.5 hrs. ;P

    From what media to what media?

    Using what data path?

    Internal SATA 7200 RPM 2 GB HDD to external 2.5" 5 TB USB3 HDDs.
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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 27 15:39:08 2024
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 17:36:29 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    In comp.os.linux.misc Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> wrote:
    It seems that a lot of users are, irrationally, opposed to the
    use of optical media for long-term archival storage.

    Having personally experienced failures of both cd-r and dvd-r media
    wherein the recorded media became unreadable in a very short timeframe
    (only a few years) even with proper storage it is not at all irrational
    to be skeptical of claims of significant lifetimes for optical media
    (esp. the user recordable type, pressed disks are a different matter). >Existing user recordable optical systems have, so far, had a poor track >record, so any new system has a higher bar to get over before it is
    trusted for any long-term archive use.


    I back up to DVD. Some of my backups (CDs) are 30 years old,
    and > 99% work perfectly. Since optical media is dirt cheap, I do
    duplicate backups, and if one gives a read error, I include its better
    half in my next backup.
    I use USB pendrives for very short term storage, and rotate.
    They tend to go bad.
    As to storing sensitive data on someone else's computer, LOL,
    why not give them all your passwords and company secrets too?
    []'s
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  • From jjb@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Sep 27 21:54:23 2024
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 27-09-2024 20:39, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 17:36:29 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    In comp.os.linux.misc Nux Vomica <nv@linux.rocks> wrote:
    It seems that a lot of users are, irrationally, opposed to the
    use of optical media for long-term archival storage.

    Having personally experienced failures of both cd-r and dvd-r media
    wherein the recorded media became unreadable in a very short timeframe
    (only a few years) even with proper storage it is not at all irrational
    to be skeptical of claims of significant lifetimes for optical media
    (esp. the user recordable type, pressed disks are a different matter).
    Existing user recordable optical systems have, so far, had a poor track
    record, so any new system has a higher bar to get over before it is
    trusted for any long-term archive use.


    I back up to DVD. Some of my backups (CDs) are 30 years old,
    and > 99% work perfectly. Since optical media is dirt cheap, I do
    duplicate backups, and if one gives a read error, I include its better
    half in my next backup.
    I use USB pendrives for very short term storage, and rotate.
    They tend to go bad.
    As to storing sensitive data on someone else's computer, LOL,
    why not give them all your passwords and company secrets too?
    []'s

    I completely agree. In at least 25 years I never lost a byte. Mind
    you, I make duplicates of really important data.

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@21:1/5 to jjb on Fri Sep 27 20:38:36 2024
    XPost: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-09-27, jjb <jjb@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 27-09-2024 20:39, Shadow wrote:

    As to storing sensitive data on someone else's computer, LOL,
    why not give them all your passwords and company secrets too?

    Seen on a T-shirt:

    There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer.

    I completely agree. In at least 25 years I never lost a byte. Mind
    you, I make duplicates of really important data.

    Currently I back up my stuff to external hard drives. I keep the
    latest copy offsite, and rotate the previous one back into the
    office, ready for the next backup. However, I have archived a
    lot of stuff on DVDs. I apply 25% PARs in the hope that if a
    disk goes flaky, I'll still be able to pull enough stuff off it
    to rebuild it.

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