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On 2024-10-13, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Smart tech with explosives strapped to its back is everyone's favourite
suicide bomber if your population is not oversupplied with gullible idiots.
I don't see that supply running out anytime soon, on either side
of the fence. And politicians of all stripes are doing their best
to preserve that supply.
Still, your tech fantasies are rather interesting. I had a somewhat
more modest version of a cockroach-sized device that creeps into
meeting rooms, records incriminating evidence, and broadcasts it.
The only borderline Nazi team in this election is the Trumpist party,
which has all but promised that if they win, they are going to prosecuter their opponents, and "if you elect me, you will never have to vote
again", where as Kamala Harris a[ppears to be a typical center-right Democrat.
Yep, looks like Lars was actually the one with the wrong facts. On the
other hand, I suspect some danish influence, and given that, a leaning towards the (socialist) democrats is only natural.
I think the party that has elevated lawfare to new heights is in fact
the Democrats, so if I could vote, it would be Trump all the way.
The democrats are insane.
On 14/10/2024 10:45, D wrote:
Yep, looks like Lars was actually the one with the wrong facts. On the
other hand, I suspect some danish influence, and given that, a leaning
towards the (socialist) democrats is only natural.
I think the party that has elevated lawfare to new heights is in fact the
Democrats, so if I could vote, it would be Trump all the way.
The democrats are insane.
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA globally by becoming isolationist.
I am a natural centre right person. But the Donald has gone too far and cost thousands of Ukrainian lives already by reneging on the terms of the USAs relationship with Ukraine.
Ukraine is not 'Europe's problem'
Russia is a global problem alonng with Iran, North Korea China and all the other totalitarian post communist or islamfascist states.
Making Russia great again is Putins dream, but if he destroys teh USAs export marlet, its the USAs problem.
Right now its the Ukraine and the Israelis at the thin end of the wedge, but it will in the end be ordinary americans, and the longer you let these dictators get away with it the harder they become to stop.
First they came for the Ukrainians
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Ukrainian
Then they came for the Israelis
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for the Europeans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a European
Then they came for the Africans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not an African
Then they came for America
And there was no one left
To speak out for us...
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA globally by becoming isolationist.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:They are not self destructive.
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
On 10/14/2024 09:55, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or
Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
Israel doesn't really need our help because they kick ass anyways, and
the Ukraine Protection deal was revoked during Obama's presidency (Which again, the democrats wanted and now they are crying about it).
The US needs to do what every other country does, only get involved when
it is in our best interests. If it helps us to help the EU or some other nation
world benefit to the US needs to stop.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/10/2024 10:45, D wrote:
Yep, looks like Lars was actually the one with the wrong facts. On
the other hand, I suspect some danish influence, and given that, a
leaning towards the (socialist) democrats is only natural.
I think the party that has elevated lawfare to new heights is in fact
the Democrats, so if I could vote, it would be Trump all the way.
The democrats are insane.
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
I am a natural centre right person. But the Donald has gone too far
and cost thousands of Ukrainian lives already by reneging on the terms
of the USAs relationship with Ukraine.
Ukraine is not 'Europe's problem'
Russia is a global problem alonng with Iran, North Korea China and all
the other totalitarian post communist or islamfascist states.
Making Russia great again is Putins dream, but if he destroys teh USAs
export marlet, its the USAs problem.
Right now its the Ukraine and the Israelis at the thin end of the
wedge, but it will in the end be ordinary americans, and the longer
you let these dictators get away with it the harder they become to stop.
First they came for the Ukrainians
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Ukrainian
Then they came for the Israelis
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for the Europeans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a European
Then they came for the Africans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not an African
Then they came for America
And there was no one left
To speak out for us...
I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump says (in order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does.
Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US
stands alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but most likely with far less money, and way more effectively.
That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will
in turn make the world safer and more stable.
If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU
will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset.
The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented
russia.
Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans,
without weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the
western half will join europe and open for business.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump says (inHe almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget.
order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does.
Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US stands
alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but most likely
with far less money, and way more effectively.
What Trump does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let Russia occupy Ukraine forever.
That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will inThe EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as trustworthy and ambitious as Putin)
turn make the world safer and more stable.
The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald lied about that.
If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EUThe EU is not yet a military power.
will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset.
The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, hisWell yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to achieve that.
oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more
pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then
we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented
russia.
Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and
split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans, without >> weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the western half will >> join europe and open for business.
That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he wants, nor its it what MAGA has acted to promote.
The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO.
If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of the free world disintegrates, and No European nation will support it when China comes knocking
On 14/10/2024 14:55, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:They are not self destructive.
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or
Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
USA is already under attack from the modern 'axis of evil' . Jealous of its power and wealth every single Russian Kleptocrat or Islamic theocrat hates and fears America, and are *actively * seeking its destruction. How many 'movements' and 'woke memes originate in Moscow or Tehran?
If you want to elect the 'Manchurian candidate' don't expect me to sympathise when the rest of the world turns its back on the USA.
That doesn't mean I support the wimpy wet Kamala. It's just that she represents slightly less direct threat to the USA and the nations of Europe, Canada, Australia, who didn't hold back when Japan fucked you over.
It's clear Trump owes Mr Putin something. And its payback time. I don't want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
I don't
want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each
individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US
ramps down.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or
Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
This is the truth!
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump saysHe almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget.
(in order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does.
Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US
stands alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but
most likely with far less money, and way more effectively.
Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down,
the EU would have ramped up.
What Trump does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let
Russia occupy Ukraine forever.
Incorrect. Trump is pro-business, and will help EU against Russia. Don't
buy the democratic rhetoric. What Trump will _not_ do however, is to
throw billions upon billions into a black hole. That is smart, and will benefit americans, and also, as I have explained, europeans, in the long term.
That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, whichThe EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as
will in turn make the world safer and more stable.
trustworthy and ambitious as Putin)
The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each
individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US
ramps down.
The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population
is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will embarass them for generations to come.
Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action
against him.
The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald
lied about that.
I don't know what you are talking about. Donald did however, without
being president or having any official power, make the europeans step up
with the funding to Nato. That shows how brilliant he is, and that you
should look at what Trump does or achieves, _not_ what he says. His
words are tools to create action, they are not the purpose in and of themselves.
If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, theThe EU is not yet a military power.
EU will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset.
It is. See above.
The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose,Well yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to
his oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone
more pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again,
and then we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western
oriented russia.
achieve that.
It is. Let europe and ukraine handle that.
Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them,
and split russia into the west, and countless little
durka-durka-stans, without weapons and resources. Those will be left
to rot, and the western half will join europe and open for business.
That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he
wants, nor its it what MAGA has acted to promote.
What Trump is irrelevant, what he does is relevant.
The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO.
If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of
the free world disintegrates, and No European nation will support it
when China comes knocking
Incorrect. The US does not have any obligations to play world police.
Trump, playing this the way he does, will stimulate EU to grow and
develop into a second world police. Then there will be two, instead of
today, only one, which is the US. Time for EU to pay its fair share and
stop free riding on the US. This is only elementary logic and common
sense.
They have wanted that the past 50 years, and have not achieved anything.
That testifies to the incompetence and weakness of the enemy, and the brilliance of the US, _despite_ the democrat party.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I don't
want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
Better Putin than Soros.
On 14/10/2024 22:29, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I don't
want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
Better Putin than Soros.
Phew. That you could say that is the most frightening thing I have
heard.
On 14/10/2024 20:48, D wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA >>>> globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or >>> Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
This is the truth!
It is also extremely short sighted.
And the USA is not part of Putin's Empire - yet.
How *much* does the Orange Jesus owe Mr Vlad?
More, or less, than Barack Obama?
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I don't
want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
Better Putin than Soros.
On 14/10/2024 20:57, D wrote:
They have wanted that the past 50 years, and have not achieved anything.
That testifies to the incompetence and weakness of the enemy, and the
brilliance of the US, _despite_ the democrat party.
You poor sucker. You have no idea.
with far less money, and way more effectively.He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget.
Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down,
the EU would have ramped up.
What with? It has no exonomy?
Its just a parasitic bureaucracy.
It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt it does.
What Trump does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let Russia >>> occupy Ukraine forever.
Incorrect. Trump is pro-business, and will help EU against Russia. Don't
buy the democratic rhetoric. What Trump will _not_ do however, is to
throw billions upon billions into a black hole. That is smart, and will
benefit americans, and also, as I have explained, europeans, in the long
term.
*shakes head sadly*
He is so business that when Putin lent him....well it was more than Hunter Biden anyway...
He is so business that he wants to forgoe the opportunity to actually get billions in debt for defunct obsolescent hardware, he would rather write it off than sell it to Ukraine?
Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how they got there.
Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU control. That's why they are in NATO.That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will in >>>> turn make the world safer and more stable.The EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as
trustworthy and ambitious as Putin)
The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each
individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US
ramps down.
The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population
is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will
embarass them for generations to come.
The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is nearer the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity trying to recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states.
Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the
minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action
against him.
Europe is a continent. It can't take action.
The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with
Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are. FAR more than the USA
Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they are small countries.
The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly contribution. Even Belgium has done better,
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/
Oh FFFS. I cant deal with another cult member tonight.The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald lied >>> about that.
I don't know what you are talking about. Donald did however, without
being president or having any official power, make the europeans step up
with the funding to Nato. That shows how brilliant he is, and that you
should look at what Trump does or achieves, _not_ what he says. His
words are tools to create action, they are not the purpose in and of
themselves.
Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little shit with his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama.
It is not
If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU >>>> will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset.The EU is not yet a military power.
It is. See above.
"The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence Policy and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union. Currently, there is no such army, and defence is a matter for the member states. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army
The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his >>>> oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone moreWell yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to
pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then >>>> we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented
russia.
achieve that.
It is. Let europe and ukraine handle that.
Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above their weight.
Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and >>>> split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans,
without weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the western >>>> half will join europe and open for business.
That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he wants, >>> nor its it what MAGA has acted to promote.
What Trump is irrelevant, what he does is relevant.
Exatcly. He nearly allowed Russia to win by stalling arms that had already been promised, a dirty political truck worthy of a democrat.
Leaving Ukraine in the shit.
The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO.
If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of the >>> free world disintegrates, and No European nation will support it when
China comes knocking
Incorrect. The US does not have any obligations to play world police.
I never said that it did.
But that is it status, deserved or not,
Trump, playing this the way he does, will stimulate EU to grow and
develop into a second world police. Then there will be two, instead of
today, only one, which is the US. Time for EU to pay its fair share and
stop free riding on the US. This is only elementary logic and common
sense.
Christ on a bike. The EU are the second biggest threat to world peace after the Russin/Ianian NORK axis.
That last thing you want is a military power run by a bunch of communist and ex communist apparatchiks.
You are woefully ill informed.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/10/2024 20:48, D wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA >>>>> globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the
Ukraine or
Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
This is the truth!
It is also extremely short sighted.
And the USA is not part of Putin's Empire - yet.
How *much* does the Orange Jesus owe Mr Vlad?
More, or less, than Barack Obama?
Proof please. Then we talk.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I don't
want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
Better Putin than Soros.
I have compared them both scientifically, and it is actualyl proven that Soros society would be a nicer one, than Putins. If you step away from
the main cities in russia, the people in the country side live under
close to medieval living conditions that would make all americans revolt.
That's what you get with a kleptocracy and an authoritarian system built
to exploit the people and enrich its leaders.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I don't
want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
Better Putin than Soros.
I have compared them both scientifically, and it is actualyl proven that Soros society would be a nicer one, than Putins. If you step away from
the main cities in russia, the people in the country side live under
close to medieval living conditions that would make all americans revolt.
That's what you get with a kleptocracy and an authoritarian system built
to exploit the people and enrich its leaders.
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
with far less money, and way more effectively.He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget.
Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down,
the EU would have ramped up.
What with? It has no exonomy?
Its just a parasitic bureaucracy.
It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt
it does.
The european economy is $26.64 trillion (PPP). This is proven.
Exactly. The democrats are the true evil.
Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how
they got there.
Irrelevant. We look at actions.
Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU
control.
That's why they are in NATO.
Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint
Nato
military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like
between sweden and finland.
You seem to know very little of europe and how europe works. Are you
based in the US?
The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population >>> is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will
embarass them for generations to come.
The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is
nearer the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity
trying to recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states.
$26.64 trillion (PPP) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union .
Proven.
Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the >>> minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action
against him.
Europe is a continent. It can't take action.
The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with
Europe has countries which can take action. I will not write every
single individual country in every single post due to your uncharitable
nit picking.
I do not think you are so stupid as to not be able to understand my
point with me having to write each country individually?
Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are.
FAR more than the USA
Thank you. Proven.
Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they
are small countries.
See above. Europe has a common market.
The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly
contribution.
Even Belgium has done better,
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/
Irrelevant.
Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little
shit with his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama.
Do you have Trump Derangement Syndrome? I think it is stopping you from perceiving the world correctly.
It is. See above. Read carefully and repent.
"The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the
European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence
Policy and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union.
Currently, there is no such army, and defence is a matter for the
member states. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army
Irrelevant.
Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above
their weight.
Irrelevant see above.
Leaving Ukraine in the shit.
No, he is training europe to grow up and take responsibility. That is actually brilliant.
You are woefully ill informed.
You are ill informed and it has been proven.
On 10/15/24 09:09, D wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I don't
want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
Better Putin than Soros.
I have compared them both scientifically, and it is actualyl proven
that Soros society would be a nicer one, than Putins. If you step away
from the main cities in russia, the people in the country side live
under close to medieval living conditions that would make all
americans revolt.
That is an unfair comparison. Putin inherited a country on the brink of collapse. He stabilised it and produced reasonable growth. Many of his problems have been caused by external pressures, which do not exist for
the US. Not least of which is USA enforced sanctions.
Experience in Africa show us that trying to impose liberal democracy on countries, without the social framework to handle it, can be
catastrophic. Yes, Putin is a tyrant, but I suspect, currently, Russia
needs a tyrant.
That's what you get with a kleptocracy and an authoritarian system
built to exploit the people and enrich its leaders.
You'll have to spell out if you are talking about the USA or Russia.
Today I was reading about Cryptocurrency billionaires trying to
manipulate the US democratic process to remove a senator seeking to
regulate them.
FWIW, I don't understand why Soros is presented as an arch villain.
As we have done with North Korea. Its a pimple we need not burst,
because ultimately its an entirely self contained shithole that
doesn't impact anywhere else and it serves as an example of what
happens when you let leaders become divine beings and give them
godlike powers.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
As we have done with North Korea. Its a pimple we need not burst,
because ultimately its an entirely self contained shithole that
doesn't impact anywhere else and it serves as an example of what
happens when you let leaders become divine beings and give them
godlike powers.
North Korea does impact the rest of the world - it’s behind a lot of hacking campaigns, which we pay for in various ways (ransoms, theft, post-attack cleanup, etc).
say, letting that continue is much cheaper than military intervention.
In contrast sending old NATO kit to Ukraine is practically free l-)
FWIW, I don't understand why Soros is presented as an arch villain.
On 15/10/2024 09:09, D wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I don't
want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya.
Better Putin than Soros.
I have compared them both scientifically, and it is actualyl proven that
Soros society would be a nicer one, than Putins. If you step away from the >> main cities in russia, the people in the country side live under close to
medieval living conditions that would make all americans revolt.
That's what you get with a kleptocracy and an authoritarian system built to >> exploit the people and enrich its leaders.
Phew. I thought for a moment I was going mad.
Exactly. I think there is a tendency - an understandable tendency, for people living cushioned in the richest society in the world, and not needing to be really aware in any way in their daily lives about anything beyond its shores - to think that because they have identified deep flaws in their own government, that some one else's would in fact be better.
Let me tell you there is no such things as a corruption free government anywhere in the world, and the aim of most government is to be as corrupt and undemocratic as possible, because politicians are not saints, and anyone who thinks they are needs urgent medical attention.
I have expressed this many times as:
"All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood."
So the Liberals pretend to be the good guys on the moral high ground, to get the votes that enable them to satisfy the demands of the people with deep pockets like the globalist corporates.
Whilst the Donald pretends to be the redneck dude with the traditional values of bottom slapping and pussy grabbing individualism, in order that *he* can get into power and get paid off by the FSB leper funds from
Moscow.
So its not he redneck shit that I object to. Far from it. Lotta redneck in me. It's the FSB
I loathe the liberal moral snobbery and the wokery and Marxism inherent in it, but having Putin run your country instead is not the solution.
Its not a question of getting corrupt assholes out of politics, That is impossible. The point about a democracy is that you can get rid of a Biden, Or Trump, Or Obama.
The point about Putin, is that he gets rid of you. Think Al Capone heading up the white house.
On 15/10/2024 09:19, D wrote:
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
with far less money, and way more effectively.He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget.
Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down, >>>> the EU would have ramped up.
What with? It has no exonomy?
Its just a parasitic bureaucracy.
It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt it >>> does.
The european economy is $26.64 trillion (PPP). This is proven.
No, that is the sum of the econimies of thge natuions tha inhabit o the continent of Europe. One of which is Russsia
It us not e economy of the EU.
Exactly. The democrats are the true evil.
No. The true evil is greed, lust for power and fear of loss of privilege.
If you think Liberal versus Republican is evil versus good, you are already a controlled useful idiot
All your politicians are belong to us.
Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how they >>> got there.
Irrelevant. We look at actions.
No, it is clear you do not. Even if you think you do. Mike Johnson absolutely vilolated every norm of honorable and decent behaviors and cost thousands of lives by the disgraceful actions he took, that Trump supported.
Exactly my point. EU doesnt have a military, and its members don't want it to.Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU
control.
That's why they are in NATO.
Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint
Nato
military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like
between sweden and finland.
EU is compulsory, NATO is voluntary.
You seem to know very little of europe and how europe works. Are you
based in the US?
That was my question to you.
The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population >>>> is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will >>>> embarass them for generations to come.
The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is nearer >>> the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity trying to >>> recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states.
$26.64 trillion (PPP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union .
Proven.
From that refeernce The 'economy of the European Union' is the joint economy of the member states of the European Union¨
I.e. it doesnt belong to the Union. And the Union has little effect on how it is generated.
Youu seem to have no understanbding of European politics
But it makes a huge difference. Fir example Hungary. Slovenia and almost Germany have decided to limit Ukrainian support. Other counytries who know Vlad, like Poland and Estonia, have thrown huge resources into the pot.
Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the >>>> minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action
against him.
Europe is a continent. It can't take action.
The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with
Europe has countries which can take action. I will not write every
single individual country in every single post due to your uncharitable
nit picking.
The EU itself has done the square root of fuck all. A bit of humanitarian aid.
What the EU did manage to do was co-ordinate and prepare a set of sanctions that are slow but effective.
I do not think you are so stupid as to not be able to understand myBecause there *is* no point without mentioning each country individually.
point with me having to write each country individually?
The Czechs organised world wide black/grey market purchase of artillery shells from unnamed sources using money donated by various other countries, to save the day when Mike Johnson fucked Ukraine at Russias behest by blocking the support of the whole of the USA.
Viktor Orban in Hungary has tried the same, but the EU is not the USA (although it would love to be) it doesn't represent the people of Europe, They have national governments. It doesn't control the defence of Europe, Individual nations in, or out of NATO or the EU, do that themselves . It doesn't even control the economies of Europe, although it tries to.
It doesn't even have a single currency, though it wants to.
Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are. FAR
more than the USA
Thank you. Proven.
Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they are
small countries.
See above. Europe has a common market.
The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly
contribution.
Even Belgium has done better,
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/
Irrelevant.
Nto in te slightest.
Europe is contributing far far more per person to this war than the miserly USA is.
Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little shit
with his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama.
Do you have Trump Derangement Syndrome? I think it is stopping you from
perceiving the world correctly.
Better put yiur shades on an not stand behind him when he driops his pants
It is. See above. Read carefully and repent.
All your examples show exactlyt why the EU is not a nation or a miultray power as you seem to think it is.
Irrelevant.
"The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the
European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence
Policy and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union. Currently, >>> there is no such army, and defence is a matter for the member states. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army
Irrelevant.
Totally relevant
Irrelevant.Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above
their weight.
Irrelevant see above.
Realebant
Leaving Ukraine in the shit.
No, he is training europe to grow up and take responsibility. That is
actually brilliant.
It us Europe who is taking responsibility and the Donald who is deliberately absolving himself of it preferring to simply parraot Russian propagandas (as you are)
You are woefully ill informed.
You are ill informed and it has been proven.
Nope, It is clear you are either trolling, a trump supporter who has replaced reason with religious faith, or in Putins pocket
You don't understand the politics of Russia, or of Ukraine, or of Europe or of the EU, how any of their economies are run, how their military are organised or who ultimately controls it.
In fact you don't even seem to understand the politics of the USA. Except in a very childlike and unsophisticated way.
Hint. The guys in the white hats are the baddies too, sometimes.
This is the truth. Soros is preferable to Putin. With Putin, society is reduced to a medieval fiefdom with serfs, nobility and Tsar. Serfs will
be trampled upon and killed when expedient.
On 15/10/2024 09:10, D wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/10/2024 20:48, D wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the >>>>>> USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the
Ukraine or
Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf
destructive third world states.
This is the truth!
It is also extremely short sighted.
And the USA is not part of Putin's Empire - yet.
How *much* does the Orange Jesus owe Mr Vlad?
More, or less, than Barack Obama?
Proof please. Then we talk.
Er. a question doesn't have a 'proof'
Why would Putin and his FSB chums *not* funnel funds/blackmail/otherwise compromise/ to affect, support or purchase politicians in other nations
in order to shape their political processes to suit Russian needs?
The CIA does *exactly* that. I am sure MI5 does. I would be upset if
they did not.
We saw as blatant and disgraceful an attempt by the Speaker of your
House to utterly disrupt the USAs political process in favour of Russia
as we did in OUR house to favour the European Union.
Why this naive need to believe that you have finally found the One True Incorruptible politician who is really on your side?
Bless!
We have a government website called 'they work for you'
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/
Do they work for us? Do they fuck!
In terms of what motivates a politician, the *last* people they are
working for is you.
Only very rarely does someone with some idea of what 'national interest' *really* means turn up, and they are regarded by their fellow
politicians as extremely dangerous people.
Whatever else he may be, Trump is certainly beholden to Putin. So too
via Hunter, may have been Joe Biden.
I think I read somewhere that the *majority* of politicians in the main German political party had all been to Russia on expense paid trips, and
no doubt entertained by athletic 'Natashas' in the absence of their
stolid German wives...
This is how the world works.
Democracy us about sacking the worst before they can do as much damage
to your country as Putin has done to Russia.
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 22:24:22 +0200, D wrote:
This is the truth. Soros is preferable to Putin. With Putin, society is
reduced to a medieval fiefdom with serfs, nobility and Tsar. Serfs will
be trampled upon and killed when expedient.
And what will a Soros backed society be? Thralls will be thralls. In
modern society they aren't owned. It was recognized it is more economic to let the thralls provide their own sustenance rather than having to provide for them., You left out the karls, or freemen, They were the craftsmen, merchants, and other necessary functionaries. Then there were the jarls
and the king.
That echoes the Laws of Manu that help Indian society together for
centuries. They did have a finer distinction between the brahmins and the kshatriya, warriors and administrators.
That's the reality, dress it up with 'equality' and other phantoms as you will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D77dbv-xNfE
"And you think you're so clever, classless, and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see"
John Lennon
I've been switching to FreeBSD for most of my computers (laptop and
servers) because of the systemd assumption debacle and updates bring frivolous changes for the sake of change that break things.
If these sorts of things upset you that much (which is reasonable);
perhaps consider stop using software that has too much redhat
influence.
Part of the problem (and feature) of the Linux ecosystem is that every
system component is made by a completely different person/team/company
with different, often conflicting design goals.
You can get away from the FreeDesktop stuff by stop using desktop environments and learn how to configure a compact window manager that
doesn't rely on FreeDesktop stuff.
In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering,
You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his
original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering
Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software
engineer working for Microsoft ...
<snip>
Well, in all fairness, I said better with Soros than Putin, but I agree
that it won't be a utopia. ;)
D wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
<snip>
Well, in all fairness, I said better with Soros than Putin, but I agree
that it won't be a utopia. ;)
The only Utopia is sitting in front of a Linux box writing code. :-)
My mother was always telling me this:
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering,
You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his
original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering
Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software
engineer working for Microsoft ...
Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that a
good thing. There are companies that deserve lots of more hate than MS
does.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:08:36 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering,
You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his
original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering
Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software
engineer working for Microsoft ...
Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that a
good thing. There are companies that deserve lots of more hate than MS
does.
Replacing Ballmer with Nadella seems to have had quite an impact. Often replacing a CEO is 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering,
You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his
original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering
Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software
engineer working for Microsoft ...
Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that
a good thing.
Replacing Ballmer with Nadella seems to have had quite an impact. OftenI'd disagree. I think Nadella is more like Gates then Ballmer. When was
replacing a CEO is 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.
the last time you saw Nadella run on the stage chanting and raving like Ballmer did? :-P
I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a
little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest
a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers
can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of
Linux, like I'm using now, for some things).
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering,
You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his
original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering
Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software
engineer working for Microsoft ...
Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that
a good thing.
I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a
little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest
a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers
can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of
Linux, like I'm using now, for some things).
Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish .
On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:53:58 +0200, D wrote:
Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish .
In fairness Microsoft follows the same path for things they do own. Silverlight anyone?
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a
little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest
a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers
can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of
Linux, like I'm using now, for some things).
So you're doing your own security? Or do you just not care about being vulnerable?
Fortunately at least this practice is illegal in the EU, so there they
cannot do this.