• GnuCOBOL in the press

    From docdwarf@panix.com@21:1/5 to bill.gunshannon@gmail.com on Sun Jun 23 20:44:01 2024
    In article <ldr69dF7qasU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:38:46 -0000 (UTC), docdwarf wrote:

    in a skill that
    folks decided to stop learning twenty years ago (thanks, Mr Gunshannon!)


    Let's keep it honest. Folks never said they did not want to learn it.

    That might be why I didn't phrase it as 'folks said they didn't want to
    learn it'. My words were 'folks decided to stop learning (it)'.

    From my experience in over 30 years in academia the decision was to stop >teaching it whether folks wanted to learn it or not.

    I used to have a link around, somewhere, that lead to freeware which
    allowed IBM MVS mainframe emulation on a PC, including FORTRAN and COBOL compilers. Everything was - and still is - out there that'll allow
    someone who decides to learn it the learning.

    Folks don't want it. There may be many reasons for this but the fact
    remains that the desire isn't there.

    DD

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  • From Rich Alderson@21:1/5 to docdwarf@panix.com on Sun Jun 23 19:24:35 2024
    docdwarf@panix.com () writes:

    I used to have a link around, somewhere, that lead to freeware which allowed IBM MVS mainframe emulation on a PC, including FORTRAN and COBOL compilers. Everything was - and still is - out there that'll allow someone who decides to learn it the learning.

    There is still a very active community of developers for the Hercules emulator, and very active discussions on groups.io mailing lists. Hercules itself can be downloaded from Github, and there are pointers to tons of documentation in the README.md file.

    Just sayin'.

    --
    Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
    Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
    omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
    --Galen

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  • From Robert Doerfler@21:1/5 to docdwarf@panix.com on Thu Jul 4 20:32:35 2024
    docdwarf@panix.com () <docdwarf@panix.com> schrieb:
    In article <ldr69dF7qasU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:38:46 -0000 (UTC), docdwarf wrote:

    in a skill that
    folks decided to stop learning twenty years ago (thanks, Mr Gunshannon!)


    Let's keep it honest. Folks never said they did not want to learn it.

    That might be why I didn't phrase it as 'folks said they didn't want to
    learn it'. My words were 'folks decided to stop learning (it)'.

    When I talk about myself, I often mention that I wanted to learn COBOL.
    From time to time, I got distracted by other things, but fortunately,
    there are now countless opportunities to learn COBOL, and I assume others
    are also interested.

    For example, I can recommend the following online course with GnuCOBOL,
    which would be a good start:

    https://www.linkedin.com/learning/topics/cobol

    (But yes, this course would require a LinkedIn account.)

    When it comes to mainframes, IBM offers countless opportunities,
    including accounts and tests on mainframes.

    PS: I recently got some Professional Certificates like “IBM Mainframe Developer” or “z/OS Mainframe Practitioner Specialization.” There were others doing the same at the same time. Honestly, I don’t know what
    those might be worth, but dealing with z/OS, ISPF, REXX, CICS
    and COBOL on an IBM Z Mainframe was great fun though. ;)

    RD

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  • From docdwarf@panix.com@21:1/5 to rodo@bloerp.de on Fri Jul 5 00:18:03 2024
    In article <leof73FlsatU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Robert Doerfler <rodo@bloerp.de> wrote:
    docdwarf@panix.com () <docdwarf@panix.com> schrieb:
    In article <ldr69dF7qasU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:38:46 -0000 (UTC), docdwarf wrote:

    in a skill that
    folks decided to stop learning twenty years ago (thanks, Mr Gunshannon!) >>>

    Let's keep it honest. Folks never said they did not want to learn it.

    That might be why I didn't phrase it as 'folks said they didn't want to
    learn it'. My words were 'folks decided to stop learning (it)'.

    When I talk about myself, I often mention that I wanted to learn COBOL.

    When I talk about myself I am taller, smarter, better-looking, more sharply-dressed, a delight to ladies who recognise this, by instinct,
    across crowded rooms or great, open, empty spaces.

    One of us might have something to learn from the other.

    [snip]

    Honestly, I don???t know what
    those might be worth, but dealing with z/OS, ISPF, REXX, CICS
    and COBOL on an IBM Z Mainframe was great fun though. ;)

    Here we are in agreement; I found doing such things to be much more
    enjoyable than working as a delivery-clerk or stirring vats in a factory.

    DD

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  • From Amessyroom to Robert Doerfler on Thu Jul 11 22:29:04 2024
    Re: GnuCOBOL in the press
    By: Robert Doerfler to docdwarf@panix.com on Thu Jul 04 2024 08:32 pm

    When I talk about myself, I often mention that I wanted to learn COBOL.
    From time to time, I got distracted by other things, but fortunately,
    there are now countless opportunities to learn COBOL, and I assume others are also interested.

    I had the opportunity to learn COBOL in high school in the late 80's. When
    I went to college, I though I would take it as an easy course and ended up changing it to Pass/Fail. I just lost interest.

    Wish I would not have done that.

    For example, I can recommend the following online course with GnuCOBOL, which would be a good start:

    https://www.linkedin.com/learning/topics/cobol

    I'll have to find the class, and see if I can get GnuCOBOL to work on my VPS or RaspPi, and see if I can write some COBOL programs.

    When it comes to mainframes, IBM offers countless opportunities,
    including accounts and tests on mainframes.

    May have to look into these opportunities; I've not taken any IBM training.
    PS: I recently got some Professional Certificates like "IBM Mainframe Developer" or "z/OS Mainframe Practitioner Specialization." There were others doing the same at the same time. Honestly, I don't know what
    those might be worth, but dealing with z/OS, ISPF, REXX, CICS
    and COBOL on an IBM Z Mainframe was great fun though. ;)
    I did REXX back when I co-oped with BNR (Bell Northern Research),
    the research arm of Nortel Telecom later known as Nortel.

    That was a cool language. I couldn't probably write a hello world program
    with it now; that was many years ago. Should look and see if I could
    find REXX class, and interpreter for linux. LOL
  • From David Meyer@21:1/5 to Amessyroom on Fri Jul 12 14:26:52 2024
    Amessyroom@f10.n1.z5.binkp.net (Amessyroom) writes:

    I did REXX back when I co-oped with BNR (Bell Northern Research),
    the research arm of Nortel Telecom later known as Nortel.

    That was a cool language. I couldn't probably write a hello world program with it now; that was many years ago. Should look and see if I could
    find REXX class, and interpreter for linux. LOL

    REXX is cool, indeed!

    /**/
    SAY 'HELLO, REXX!'

    That's all.

    --
    David Meyer
    Takarazuka, Japan
    papa@sdf.org

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Amessyroom on Fri Jul 12 07:13:57 2024
    On 7/11/2024 5:29 AM, Amessyroom wrote:
    I did REXX back when I co-oped with BNR (Bell Northern Research),
    the research arm of Nortel Telecom later known as Nortel.

    That was a cool language. I couldn't probably write a hello world program with it now; that was many years ago. Should look and see if I could
    find REXX class, and interpreter for linux. LOL

    https://regina-rexx.sourceforge.io/
    https://github.com/0branch/regina

    Arne

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Vincent Coen on Sat Jul 13 13:03:33 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:58:17 +0100, "Vincent Coen" <VBCoen@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello Amessyroom!

    Thursday July 11 2024 10:29, Amessyroom wrote to Robert Doerfler:

    ..

    I'll have to find the class, and see if I can get GnuCOBOL to work on
    my VPS or RaspPi, and see if I can write some COBOL programs.


    Works well on a Pi 3B+ with a 1Tb HDD - needed to install a Cobol >application on it as a self contained system offloaded from the main system >for some months with the idea of reducing overall power consumption.
    Also set up a back up for it on a brand new Pi4B with 8Gb Ram and a SSD
    but as it was not really needed dropped that idea.

    I set up on the Pi3 Hercules running MVS, ciks, Cobol etc., as well.

    Note the use of a SSD or/and a SSD.
    I do not use a SD on anything.

    When it comes to mainframes, IBM offers countless opportunities,
    including accounts and tests on mainframes.

    May have to look into these opportunities; I've not taken any IBM training.
    PS: I recently got some Professional Certificates like "IBM
    Mainframe Developer" or "z/OS Mainframe Practitioner
    Specialization." There were others doing the same at the same time.
    Honestly, I don't know what those might be worth, but dealing with
    z/OS, ISPF, REXX, CICS and COBOL on an IBM Z Mainframe was great
    fun though. ;)
    I did REXX back when I co-oped with BNR (Bell Northern Research),
    the research arm of Nortel Telecom later known as Nortel.

    That was a cool language. I couldn't probably write a hello world
    program with it now; that was many years ago. Should look and see if I could find REXX class, and interpreter for linux. LOL



    Vincent

    GNUCobol on a Pi vs mainframe does not have comparable performance, think factor "millions". But it does work..... Biggest problem
    for me at the time was lack of a decent SQL preprocessor for mySQL/MariaDB. MQTT did work reasonably well.

    Since then I've moved to Python, better support for all types of infra & easy to learn for a Cobol person.

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