• What does $0 zero dollars mean in Apple app store terminology?

    From Marion@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 19 02:04:15 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    I have an app that I just noticed says I can buy it for 0 dollars.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pdNq0Z0G/LANDRIVE-10.jpg> buy for $0.00

    What does that even mean?

    In normal operating systems, there's no concept of "purchasing" a
    zero-dollar app, as that would just be called a free app (as in beer).

    You don't purchase a free app.
    You just install it.

    But Apple has this concept of purchasing everything, I guess.
    Even free apps.

    But I've downloaded free apps before on the App Store.
    And I don't remember it being called a zero-dollar app.

    But this seemingly has a purchase price that I can "buy" it at.
    But what does that blue 0-dollar button even mean in Apple parlance?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Fri Apr 18 19:28:54 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-18 19:04, Marion wrote:
    I have an app that I just noticed says I can buy it for 0 dollars.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pdNq0Z0G/LANDRIVE-10.jpg> buy for $0.00

    What does that even mean?

    In normal operating systems, there's no concept of "purchasing" a
    zero-dollar app, as that would just be called a free app (as in beer).

    You don't purchase a free app.
    You just install it.

    But Apple has this concept of purchasing everything, I guess.
    Even free apps.

    But I've downloaded free apps before on the App Store.
    And I don't remember it being called a zero-dollar app.

    But this seemingly has a purchase price that I can "buy" it at.
    But what does that blue 0-dollar button even mean in Apple parlance?

    In this instance?

    It means you're looking for something to deflect from the fact that you
    were wrong on your precious "facts" from your first post on the subject.

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  • From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to Marion on Sat Apr 19 10:36:11 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 4/18/2025 10:04 PM, Marion wrote:
    I have an app that I just noticed says I can buy it for 0 dollars.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pdNq0Z0G/LANDRIVE-10.jpg> buy for $0.00

    What does that even mean?

    In normal operating systems, there's no concept of "purchasing" a
    zero-dollar app, as that would just be called a free app (as in beer).

    You don't purchase a free app.
    You just install it.

    But Apple has this concept of purchasing everything, I guess.
    Even free apps.

    But I've downloaded free apps before on the App Store.
    And I don't remember it being called a zero-dollar app.

    But this seemingly has a purchase price that I can "buy" it at.
    But what does that blue 0-dollar button even mean in Apple parlance?
    It is free but to simplify the web site uses $0 and the same program to
    process the order.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Sat Apr 19 22:42:09 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Apr 18, 2025 at 10:04:15 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    I have an app that I just noticed says I can buy it for 0 dollars.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pdNq0Z0G/LANDRIVE-10.jpg> buy for $0.00

    What does that even mean?

    It means exactly what it says. The upgrade is free.

    In normal operating systems, there's no concept of "purchasing" a
    zero-dollar app, as that would just be called a free app (as in beer).

    iOS is a normal operating system. It is Unix. Can't get any more normal than that.


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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 21 20:53:17 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:42:09 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    What does that even mean?

    It means exactly what it says. The upgrade is free.

    In normal operating systems, there's no concept of "purchasing" a
    zero-dollar app, as that would just be called a free app (as in beer).

    iOS is a normal operating system. It is Unix. Can't get any more normal than that.

    While I appreciate your saying that it's a normal thing for an upgrade to
    be free, I've been using computers since anyone here, and I haven't seen
    that before. I've seen free apps. And I've seen upgrades that cost money.

    Anyway, I'll try the upgrade and see what happens, although I don't have a credit card on any device so I'm not sure if it will even allow me that privilege without giving away all my privacy first. Time will tell.

    (I find it hilarious that iOS is the least private operating system on the planet, and yet, Apple touts that it's privacy oriented. It's all lies.)

    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week
    that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 21 21:55:16 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Apr 21, 2025 at 4:53:17 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:42:09 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    What does that even mean?

    It means exactly what it says. The upgrade is free.

    In normal operating systems, there's no concept of "purchasing" a
    zero-dollar app, as that would just be called a free app (as in beer).

    iOS is a normal operating system. It is Unix. Can't get any more normal than
    that.

    While I appreciate your saying that it's a normal thing for an upgrade to
    be free, I've been using computers since anyone here, and I haven't seen
    that before. I've seen free apps. And I've seen upgrades that cost money.

    Anyway, I'll try the upgrade and see what happens, although I don't have a credit card on any device so I'm not sure if it will even allow me that privilege without giving away all my privacy first. Time will tell.

    (I find it hilarious that iOS is the least private operating system on the planet, and yet, Apple touts that it's privacy oriented. It's all lies.)

    It is very secure.

    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week
    that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports.

    Um, I am Tyrone.

    And there is no law about "privileged ports". Companies are free to do
    whatever they want. Android could easily be doing this also. Which would mean that you would be no longer hung up about "privileged ports".

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 21 22:06:43 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 21:55:16 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    (I find it hilarious that iOS is the least private operating system on the >> planet, and yet, Apple touts that it's privacy oriented. It's all lies.)

    It is very secure.

    We've had these discussions on this newsgroup so many times I can't count, where "privacy" & "security" are completely different things in reality.

    It's a fact that no mobile operating system has more exploits day in and
    day out than does iOS, so for anyone to claim iOS is secure, is absurd.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    Likewise, it's even more absurd for anyone to claim iOS is more "private"
    than Android, given you can't even run any privacy based tools on iOS.
    <https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>
    "Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device? Apple requires all
    browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit,
    which prevents any iOS browser from having the same privacy
    protections as Tor Browser."

    Anyone who claims iOS is more secure or more private than Android knows absolutely nothing about iOS or Android - as it's Apple's really big lie.

    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week
    that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports.

    Um, I am Tyrone.

    Oh. Yeah. I don't even L@@K at the headers since I don't use a newsreader.
    All I see is the original message in gvim on Windows due to my scripts.
    The only way I know whom I'm replying to is if I look at the attribute.

    Sorry about that. I actually thought it was Zaidy I was responding to.

    And there is no law about "privileged ports". Companies are free to do whatever they want. Android could easily be doing this also. Which would mean
    that you would be no longer hung up about "privileged ports".

    In fact, I'm *happy* that, for once, iOS is better'n Android in something.

    You don't know how ecstatic I am that I can sit at the PC and from the PC,
    I can copy files back & forth between iOS & Windows using the command line.

    What I don't understand yet is the iOS share appears as a drive letter on
    the Windows command line - but it doesn't show up as a drive in the Windows file explorer. It would be fantastic if the share showed up in the GUI.

    I never said I was a networking expert.
    I have no idea why it's a drive letter on the command line but not the GUI.

    Does anyone have any idea why not?
    --
    It's no longer shocking how little people know about iOS since all they
    know are the big lies that Apple tells them - but they know nothing of iOS.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 21 22:40:35 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Apr 21, 2025 at 6:06:43 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 21:55:16 +0000, Tyrone wrote :

    You don't know how ecstatic I am that I can sit at the PC and from the PC,
    I can copy files back & forth between iOS & Windows using the command line.

    What I don't understand yet is the iOS share appears as a drive letter on
    the Windows command line - but it doesn't show up as a drive in the Windows file explorer. It would be fantastic if the share showed up in the GUI.

    I never said I was a networking expert.

    That is obvious.

    I have no idea why it's a drive letter on the command line but not the GUI.

    Because you are doing it wrong.

    Does anyone have any idea why not?

    Because you are using
    net use \\ipaddress\share /user:name password.

    You need a drive letter in there. I DO THIS ALL THE TIME.

    I ALREADY explained this to you in the "How do nonroot" thread. Stop making this absurd claim. Of COURSE you can map it as a drive letter. I AM DOING IT ALL THE TIME.

    net use D: \\ipaddress\share /user:name password.

    You have to ASSIGN a drive letter for it to appear in Windows File Explorer.
    I DO THIS ALL THE TIME. It is NOT "imaginary functionality".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 21 18:08:09 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-21 15:06, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 21:55:16 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    (I find it hilarious that iOS is the least private operating system on the >>> planet, and yet, Apple touts that it's privacy oriented. It's all lies.)

    It is very secure.

    We've had these discussions on this newsgroup so many times I can't count, where "privacy" & "security" are completely different things in reality.

    It's a fact that no mobile operating system has more exploits day in and
    day out than does iOS, so for anyone to claim iOS is secure, is absurd.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    Likewise, it's even more absurd for anyone to claim iOS is more "private" than Android, given you can't even run any privacy based tools on iOS.
    <https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>
    "Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device? Apple requires all
    browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit,
    which prevents any iOS browser from having the same privacy
    protections as Tor Browser."

    Anyone who claims iOS is more secure or more private than Android knows absolutely nothing about iOS or Android - as it's Apple's really big lie.

    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week
    that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports.

    Um, I am Tyrone.

    Oh. Yeah. I don't even L@@K at the headers since I don't use a newsreader. All I see is the original message in gvim on Windows due to my scripts.
    The only way I know whom I'm replying to is if I look at the attribute.

    Sorry about that. I actually thought it was Zaidy I was responding to.

    And there is no law about "privileged ports". Companies are free to do
    whatever they want. Android could easily be doing this also. Which would mean
    that you would be no longer hung up about "privileged ports".

    In fact, I'm *happy* that, for once, iOS is better'n Android in something.

    You don't know how ecstatic I am that I can sit at the PC and from the PC,
    I can copy files back & forth between iOS & Windows using the command line.

    What I don't understand yet is the iOS share appears as a drive letter on
    the Windows command line - but it doesn't show up as a drive in the Windows file explorer. It would be fantastic if the share showed up in the GUI.

    I never said I was a networking expert.
    I have no idea why it's a drive letter on the command line but not the GUI.

    Does anyone have any idea why not?

    It DOES appear, you simpleton.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Tue Apr 22 02:49:31 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:40:35 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    I never said I was a networking expert.

    That is obvious.

    Good. Then I don't need to keep repeating it then.

    I have no idea why it's a drive letter on the command line but not the GUI.

    Because you are doing it wrong.

    Even better, tell me how to do it right(ly).


    Does anyone have any idea why not?

    Because you are using
    net use \\ipaddress\share /user:name password.

    You need a drive letter in there. I DO THIS ALL THE TIME.

    Naaah. That was just a typo on my part.
    But I can see how you might have interpreted that typo as gospel.
    It's not. It's just a typo.

    I *always* typed the drive letter, and the screenshots I posted prove it.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/8zk8s2mb/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER01.jpg> Jan 24 2019
    <https://i.postimg.cc/7hgvTDRK/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER02.jpg> LAN Drive Server
    <https://i.postimg.cc/g0TbCgRH/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER03.jpg> Allow Bonjour
    <https://i.postimg.cc/SsHqMgxx/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER04.jpg> Server Settings
    <https://i.postimg.cc/MpYWF0d9/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER05.jpg> Network Ports
    <https://i.postimg.cc/wvvnFLGR/LANDRIVE-SMBSERVER06.jpg> Privileged Ports
    <https://i.postimg.cc/rp6r6Y24/LANDRIVE-01.jpg> Incessant Apple nag screen
    <https://i.postimg.cc/RFd6HS61/LANDRIVE-02.jpg> Two shares by default
    <https://i.postimg.cc/fykLSxhZ/LANDRIVE-03.jpg> Activate the SMB server
    <https://i.postimg.cc/CKPdhvWJ/LANDRIVE-04.jpg> User is Anonymous
    <https://i.postimg.cc/tRV7bNDt/LANDRIVE-05.jpg> iOS is now sharing
    <https://i.postimg.cc/c4RHg1pv/LANDRIVE-06.jpg> net use X: \\iOS\share
    <https://i.postimg.cc/d0xtPhyx/LANDRIVE-07.jpg> Allow iOS DCIM access
    <https://i.postimg.cc/B6F3rMsj/LANDRIVE-08.jpg> Command-line access only
    <https://i.postimg.cc/HsYGzpJc/LANDRIVE-09.jpg> Copy from iOS to WinPC
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pdNq0Z0G/LANDRIVE-10.jpg> Copy from WinPC to iOS

    It's the as with WebDav servers, only they result in a drive in the GUI.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/sxzR0Pg8/webdav01.jpg> WebDav has no sd permission
    <https://i.postimg.cc/X7FS61HD/webdav02.jpg> X-plore has no permission
    <https://i.postimg.cc/BvmRBrbt/webdav03.jpg> File Manager has permission
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3xCsd4HX/webdav04.jpg> My Files has permission
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Njm6ZXsc/webdav05.jpg> Permissions are the same
    <https://i.postimg.cc/BvJdKWzt/webdav06.jpg> Both sdcards mounted
    <https://i.postimg.cc/cJLK1wt0/webdav07.jpg> Mount the entire filesystem
    <https://i.postimg.cc/qv6HJ7GN/webdav08.jpg> Each sdcard is a drive letter
    <https://i.postimg.cc/D0qMxTMB/webdav09.jpg> FOSS general purpose solution
    <https://i.postimg.cc/wM4Z45pN/webdav10.jpg> Free Android WebDAV servers
    <https://i.postimg.cc/BQyRxCN9/webdav11.jpg> Mount sdcards read & write
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yYWwgGmy/webdav12.jpg> As Windows drive letters
    <https://i.postimg.cc/QtbR1GY0/webdav13.jpg> Over Wi-Fi on your home LAN
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhjpnRgh/webdav14.jpg> Mirroring Android on Windows
    <https://i.postimg.cc/gcKXV6F7/webdav16.jpg> A third free WebDAV server

    I ALREADY explained this to you in the "How do nonroot" thread. Stop making this absurd claim. Of COURSE you can map it as a drive letter. I AM DOING IT ALL THE TIME.

    net use D: \\ipaddress\share /user:name password.

    See above. It was a typo. Don't get so angry about a mere typo in Usenet.
    :)

    The drive letter was typed. I posted those screenshots already many times.
    You gotta look at the screenshots before you get mad. Then you can get mad.
    :)

    You have to ASSIGN a drive letter for it to appear in Windows File Explorer. I DO THIS ALL THE TIME. It is NOT "imaginary functionality".

    Yeah. But you're so focused on the typos you don't understand the question.
    :)

    When I use "net use drive:" with WebDav servers, it shows up in the GUI.
    When I use "net use drive:" with SMB servers (so far), it does not.

    The question is why not?

    Note: See also:
    https://jeromebelleman.gitlab.io/posts/filesystems/photofs/

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 12:41:38 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Apr 21, 2025 at 10:49:31 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    When I use "net use drive:" with WebDav servers, it shows up in the GUI.
    When I use "net use drive:" with SMB servers (so far), it does not.

    The question is why not?

    The question is, why do you keep claiming it does not when it clearly does?
    You WERE claiming that the iOS SMB server was impossible. You WERE claiming that the Files app does not work. So your track record is not exactly great.


    AGAIN, why don't you try mapping the drive from Windows File Explorer? Under Computer, Map Network Drive, Map Network Drive. A Dialog box will come up. Pick a drive letter. Enter the path \\ipaddress\share (or \\servername\share).
    You will then be prompted for the login name and password.

    If you claim it still does not create a drive letter in Windows File Explorer, then you are just being your normal self again. A lying, sick troll. Because this works for literally billions of people, and has worked for 30 years.

    THIS IS STANDARD WINDOWS NETWORKING. It works just fine. That YOU claim it
    does not is totally meaningless.
    Just like your totally meaningless claims about iOS SMB Servers and the iOS Files app.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Apr 22 12:46:06 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:08:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    It DOES appear, you simpleton.

    Isn't it amazing how something SO basic and simple like Windows SMB networking - that works for billions of people every day - "does not work" for Arlen when iOS is involved.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Tue Apr 22 16:08:34 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-22, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:08:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    It DOES appear, you simpleton.

    Isn't it amazing how something SO basic and simple like Windows SMB networking - that works for billions of people every day - "does not
    work" for Arlen when iOS is involved.

    He doesn't know what he's doing, and can't figure basic networking out
    on his own.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Apr 22 16:09:42 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-22, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week
    that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports.

    We did no such thing. Why lie so obviously?

    Lies and schoolyard insults are all he has in his trollbag. It's really pathetic. 😉

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 16:07:08 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-22, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:40:35 +0000, Tyrone wrote :

    I never said I was a networking expert.

    That is obvious.

    Good. Then I don't need to keep repeating it then.

    You didn't have to say it at all since it's blatantly obvious to those
    of us who know about the topic. 🤣

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Apr 22 16:37:51 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:31:15 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week
    that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports.

    We did no such thing. Why lie so obviously?

    Privileged ports work differently with iOS than with Android & Unix.
    You proved that yourself. So did Tyrone. And so did I. We all did.

    For you to now claim that's a "lie" is rather odd, Chris, is it not?
    (Did you buy too many arguments this week?)

    BTW, did you see my public apology to the Windows newsgroup yet?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 09:50:58 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-22 09:37, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:31:15 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week
    that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports.

    We did no such thing. Why lie so obviously?

    Privileged ports work differently with iOS than with Android & Unix.
    You proved that yourself. So did Tyrone. And so did I. We all did.

    You don't understand that "Unix" is NOT a single operating system, doofus.

    There are VARIATIONS.

    And it's not a core part of any Unix that ports from 0-1024 are privileged.


    For you to now claim that's a "lie" is rather odd, Chris, is it not?
    (Did you buy too many arguments this week?)

    BTW, did you see my public apology to the Windows newsgroup yet?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Apr 22 12:46:56 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-22 12:45, Chris wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:31:15 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week >>>> that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports. >>>
    We did no such thing. Why lie so obviously?

    Privileged ports work differently with iOS than with Android & Unix.
    You proved that yourself. So did Tyrone. And so did I. We all did.

    Nothing was "proved" about differences between multiple OSes. All that was demonstrated is that there is at least one app on iOS that can create a
    Samba server which listens on port 445.

    If anything, Android is the odd one out.

    For you to now claim that's a "lie" is rather odd, Chris, is it not?
    (Did you buy too many arguments this week?)

    BTW, did you see my public apology to the Windows newsgroup yet?

    No. It's very hard to keep up with your scattergun method of posting.



    Which is not an accident.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 21:27:34 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-22, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:31:15 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

    As for iOS being "normal UNIX", Chris & Tyrone already proved last week
    that iOS is anything but normal UNIX when it comes to privileged ports.

    We did no such thing. Why lie so obviously?

    Privileged ports work differently with iOS than with Android & Unix.

    Nope. They do not. You're just completely out of your depth, as usual.

    You proved that yourself. So did Tyrone. And so did I. We all did.

    The only thing you've proved is how incompetent you really are.

    BTW, did you see my public apology to the Windows newsgroup yet?

    Empty apologies from a brain-dead troll? Om my! Shall we all feign
    shock for you?

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    JR

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