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Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more like iOS
/ iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying to make computers
and touch devices work in the same way will never be a good option, let
alone the ridiculousness of trying to make both of them work like a
pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.



Apple is planning to make enormous design changes to iOS 19 & macOS 16
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's been a while since we've seen a dramatic overhaul on any of
Apple's operating systems, but we could see the biggest ones in years
as soon as WWDC.

Apple is gearing up to overhaul its operating systems in hopes of
making its platforms more cohesive. The idea is that the change
should make the platforms feel familiar to people coming from one
device to another.

The new updates are expected to come later in 2025 according to
Bloomberg. Apple will update its icons, menus, apps, windows, and
system buttons.

Sources told Bloomberg the design is loosely based on visionOS, the
operating system on the Apple Vision Pro. The revamp to iOS 19 and
iPadOS 19 is codenamed "Luck," while macOS 16 is dubbed "Cheer."

It seems as though this will be the biggest refresh to the Mac
operating system since 2020 with the advent of Big Sur, and the
iPhone since iOS 7.

The changes will allegedly go much further than aesthetic tweaks.
The report claims that user interfaces will change - but without a
merge that's happened elsewhere.

For those who are hopeful that they'll see the iPad adopt macOS,
don't get too excited. The company still plans on keeping the
devices separate - after all, it still wants customers to own both.

If the report is accurate, we'll see many of the changes profiled at
WWDC 2025, which will presumably take place this June.

The move reportedly aims to recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales.
While Apple saw incredible growth in 2021, its numbers haven't been
nearly as good since. However, it seems as though the company is
already beginning to see a rebound.

As Bloomberg points out, even though the design change has probably
been a long time coming, it might be a good distraction from the
less-than-perfect Apple Intelligence launch.

Just last week, Apple confirmed it would not be launching its new,
more personalized Siri in iOS 18.4. While it's possible that we may
see the improved Siri in iOS 19, it's just as likely that Apple
could hold off even longer.



<https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/03/10/apple-is-planning-to-make-enormous-design-changes-to-ios-19-macos-16>

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On Mar 10, 2025 at 5:33:46 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more like iOS
/ iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying to make computers
and touch devices work in the same way will never be a good option, let
alone the ridiculousness of trying to make both of them work like a
pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.

These rumours are very common. Because any "rumour" about Apple generates clicks on websites.

MacOS UI and iPadOS UI are never going to merge. To do so would be like a broken pencil.

Pointless.

The people who want a mouse and keyboard on an iPad and the people who want a touch screen on a Mac have one thing in common. Both need to Get A Life.

You might as well wish for a steering wheel on motorcyles and handle bars on cars.

Different tools for different jobs, folks.

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On 2025-03-11 03:47:39 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Mar 10, 2025 at 5:33:46 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more like iOS
/ iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying to make computers
and touch devices work in the same way will never be a good option, let
alone the ridiculousness of trying to make both of them work like a
pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.

These rumours are very common. Because any "rumour" about Apple generates clicks on websites.

Apparently the redesign has now been mentioned by three separate
"sources", including Mark Gurman, so has a bit more substance than most anonymous rumours. :-( <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/03/10/ios-19-visionos-redesign-rumors/>

MacOS UI and iPadOS UI are never going to merge. To do so would be like a broken pencil.

Pointless.

The people who want a mouse and keyboard on an iPad and the people who want a touch screen on a Mac have one thing in common. Both need to Get A Life.

You might as well wish for a steering wheel on motorcyles and handle bars on cars.

Different tools for different jobs, folks.

Precisely, but apparently some moron in management at Apple doesn't
understand that. Although the OSes are apparently not planned to
actually merge, they already have been being made similar. For example
the ugly rounded rectangle icons infesting macOS and the make-over to
the old macOS "System Preferences" to be the horrible, near unusable,
"System Settings"). :-(

If Apple keeps trying to turn the Mac into a giant iPad, then they are
going to lose sales, not gain them.

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 18:31:38 +1300, Your Name wrote :

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.

These rumours are very common. Because any "rumour" about Apple generates
clicks on websites.

Apparently the redesign has now been mentioned by three separate
"sources", including Mark Gurman, so has a bit more substance than most anonymous rumours. :-( <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/03/10/ios-19-visionos-redesign-rumors/>

For two main reasons, Apple "rumors" are widely reported in the field:
<https://www.pymnts.com/apple/2025/report-apple-to-make-biggest-changes-to-operating-systems-in-years/>
<https://www.theverge.com/news/627149/apple-ios-ipados-macos-design-overhaul>
<https://bgr.com/tech/ios-19-will-reportedly-bring-a-full-redesign-to-apples-iphone/>
<https://seekingalpha.com/news/4419042-apple-plans-to-revamp-operating-system-with-ios-19-report>
<https://www.macworld.com/article/2632571/ios-19-and-macos-16-will-reportedly-bring-a-huge-interface-overhaul.html>
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-overhaul-software-on-iphone-and-ipad_id168375>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/03/10/ios-19-visionos-redesign-rumors/>
<https://www.howtogeek.com/rumored-ios-macos-ipados-redesign-2025/>
<https://www.engadget.com/mobile/apple-is-reportedly-planning-a-major-redesign-for-ios-19-and-macos-16-202804091.html>
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2025/03/10/ios-19-apple-iphone-new-design-biggest-overhaul-coming-in-weeks-report-claims/>
<https://www.pocket-lint.com/apple-ios-19-and-smart-hub-delay/>
etc.

What is in the report?
*Rounder elements, new UI, easier navigation... and more...*

My assessment (so far) is that it will be mostly window dressing.
As meaningless as Apple's "Innovative BOLD!!!!!!!! New Colors!!!!!!!".

As far as we can tell, Apple hasn't innovated more than a single thing in
the past decade (see the prior thread proving we can't find anything else).

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On 11.03.25 04:47, Tyrone wrote:

On Mar 10, 2025 at 5:33:46 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more like iOS
/ iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying to make computers
and touch devices work in the same way will never be a good option, let
alone the ridiculousness of trying to make both of them work like a
pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.

These rumours are very common. Because any "rumour" about Apple generates clicks on websites.

+1; otherwise the time between WWDCs gets boring ...
There is absolutely no news in this article or the post.


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On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 03:47:39 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:

On Mar 10, 2025 at 5:33:46 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more like iOS
/ iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying to make computers
and touch devices work in the same way will never be a good option, let
alone the ridiculousness of trying to make both of them work like a
pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Why?

If Apple started with, as a random example, a neutral OS that had a
switch to turn it into a touch-OS for pads or a KB-rodent OS for
desktops, or anything else that comes along, would that not be a good
thing?

A Unified OS - maybe called Orchard or Tree or Forest or something
equally Apple-adjacent - with several "desktops" overlaying it
shouldn't be difficult if they could standardise the parts and the
File Systems on all of their kit.

From watches through vambraces, pads, slates, desktops, integrated
systems in machines, mainframes and super-computers to space-probes
and City-Minds doing traffic-control they could have the same basic
operating system with many, many interfaces.

Apple are large enough, they have sufficient money, they even have a
few programmers, they could do that.

Or is that the way to SkyNet? :)

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.

These rumours are very common. Because any "rumour" about Apple generates >clicks on websites.

MacOS UI and iPadOS UI are never going to merge. To do so would be like a >broken pencil.

Pointless.

The people who want a mouse and keyboard on an iPad and the people who want a >touch screen on a Mac have one thing in common. Both need to Get A Life.

You might as well wish for a steering wheel on motorcyles and handle bars on

The steering wheel thing may be a bit of a weirdy but haven't I seen handle-bars in cars in the vast, deep, distant past? Or at least
segmented half-wheels? That sort of thing (segmented half-wheels, not, necessarily, full-on bars) does work on aeroplanes and boats so it
could save the car-makers some cash if they could buy more
standardised parts. Don't they work? Didn't people like them? Were
they less safe?

I think that I've even seen joysticks as controllers for cars, not
just for idiotic, dangerous submarines. Those don't seem to be very
popular, either. Perhaps those were only on electrics? Or on
experimentals? Or even on "flying cars" (which, like "power too cheap
to meter" from Nuclear Fusion have been about ten to twenty years away
for about seventy years. :) ) perhaps?

cars.

Different tools for different jobs, folks.

If you only have a hammer, every screw becomes a nail. USAlien
politics has shown this truism recently. :)

Truthfully, I'd like a wired-in keyboard with touchpad for my
experimental iPad but it's a generation six and they only made
BlueToothed devices for it. I think. I find the onscreen KB far too
tiny and cramped for my fat, heavy fingers and holding it in one hand
while forcing the other to type all of the keys is mildly annoying.
Stiil, it's a lovely machine and I like using it to read on. It's like
a paperback book but with hundreds and hundreds of other books between
the "covers" and with lots of extra functions.

I would also like my vambrace computer with either a roll-out solid
screen or a virtual one done with magnets and lasers but I don't see
them happening.

I get the urge to merge all of the OSes, it would allow Apple to fire
many, many teams of programmers thus allowing them to profiteer more.
It's the Capitalists' Dream and however much we don't like it
sometimes, it's how Life will always work. We just need to live with
it.

Or to become Capitalists ourselves, out-money Apple and design kit
with a different, better, more ethical philosophy.

Yeah, I can see *that* happening. :)

J.

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On 2025-03-12 06:15:36 +0000, John said:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 03:47:39 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:

On Mar 10, 2025 at 5:33:46 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more like iOS
/ iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying to make computers
and touch devices work in the same way will never be a good option, let
alone the ridiculousness of trying to make both of them work like a
pair of AR/VR goggles. :-\

Why?

If Apple started with, as a random example, a neutral OS that had a
switch to turn it into a touch-OS for pads or a KB-rodent OS for
desktops, or anything else that comes along, would that not be a good
thing?

A Unified OS - maybe called Orchard or Tree or Forest or something
equally Apple-adjacent - with several "desktops" overlaying it
shouldn't be difficult if they could standardise the parts and the
File Systems on all of their kit.

From watches through vambraces, pads, slates, desktops, integrated
systems in machines, mainframes and super-computers to space-probes
and City-Minds doing traffic-control they could have the same basic
operating system with many, many interfaces.

Apple are large enough, they have sufficient money, they even have a
few programmers, they could do that.

Or is that the way to SkyNet? :)

Apple has already done that.

MacOS X was based on NeXTSTEP Unix. Apple then modified that to create
iOS specifically for the iPhone and then iPad as touch devices, and
then later split it into iOS and iPadOS (although there isn't a huge difference). Similarly they modified MacOS X for use on the Apple
Watch, the Apple Vison goggles, and even CarOS.

BUT trying to make each OS look and work exactly the same is just
silly. A Mac computer will never be an iPad - they are different
devices, used in different ways.

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.

These rumours are very common. Because any "rumour" about Apple generates
clicks on websites.

MacOS UI and iPadOS UI are never going to merge. To do so would be like a
broken pencil.

Pointless.

The people who want a mouse and keyboard on an iPad and the people who want a
touch screen on a Mac have one thing in common. Both need to Get A Life.

You might as well wish for a steering wheel on motorcyles and handle
bars on cars

The steering wheel thing may be a bit of a weirdy but haven't I seen handle-bars in cars in the vast, deep, distant past? Or at least
segmented half-wheels? That sort of thing (segmented half-wheels, not, necessarily, full-on bars) does work on aeroplanes and boats so it
could save the car-makers some cash if they could buy more
standardised parts. Don't they work? Didn't people like them? Were
they less safe?

I think that I've even seen joysticks as controllers for cars, not
just for idiotic, dangerous submarines. Those don't seem to be very
popular, either. Perhaps those were only on electrics? Or on
experimentals? Or even on "flying cars" (which, like "power too cheap
to meter" from Nuclear Fusion have been about ten to twenty years away
for about seventy years. :) ) perhaps?

There have been a few different attempts at a steering control for a car.

Many of the early cars of the late 1800s used a tiller handle, similar
to a small sailboat.

Tesla's original yoke, basically taken from the old TV show "Knight
Rider", is widely criticised as being awful and useless. The newer
version, which is more of a flatted steering wheel, is reportedly
better, but still pretty bad to use.

But the normal steering wheel (flatted on the bottom in some models) is
still the best way.

Different tools for different jobs, folks.

If you only have a hammer, every screw becomes a nail. USAlien
politics has shown this truism recently. :)

A screw knocked in with a hammer won't be doing the job of being a
screw properly and doesn't make a particularly good nail either.

Truthfully, I'd like a wired-in keyboard with touchpad for my
experimental iPad but it's a generation six and they only made
BlueToothed devices for it. I think.

Wired keyboards and mice can be used, but you need a Lightning to USB
adapter, and to use both at once you'll need a USB hub as well. <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254750745?sortBy=rank>

I find the onscreen KB far too tiny and cramped for my fat, heavy
fingers and holding it in one hand while forcing the other to type all
of the keys is mildly annoying.

If you're using a normal-sized external keyboard, wired or wireless,
you wouldn't be able to hold the ipad and type at the same time either.
It is potentially possible with a keyboard case, but is still clumsy.

Although Apple did relent and include the functionality of using a
mouse in iPadOS, it's still a very clumsy system that is nowhere near
as precise as using a proper computer.

Stiil, it's a lovely machine and I like using it to read on. It's like
a paperback book but with hundreds and hundreds of other books between
the "covers" and with lots of extra functions.

I would also like my vambrace computer with either a roll-out solid
screen or a virtual one done with magnets and lasers but I don't see
them happening.

I get the urge to merge all of the OSes, it would allow Apple to fire
many, many teams of programmers thus allowing them to profiteer more.
It's the Capitalists' Dream and however much we don't like it
sometimes, it's how Life will always work. We just need to live with it.

Or to become Capitalists ourselves, out-money Apple and design kit
with a different, better, more ethical philosophy.

Yeah, I can see *that* happening. :)

J.

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Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote at 03:47 this Tuesday (GMT):

On Mar 10, 2025 at 5:33:46 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more like iOS
/ iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying to make computers
and touch devices work in the same way will never be a good option, let
alone the ridiculousness of trying to make both of them work like a
pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.

These rumours are very common. Because any "rumour" about Apple generates clicks on websites.

MacOS UI and iPadOS UI are never going to merge. To do so would be like a broken pencil.

Pointless.

The people who want a mouse and keyboard on an iPad and the people who want a touch screen on a Mac have one thing in common. Both need to Get A Life.

You might as well wish for a steering wheel on motorcyles and handle bars on cars.

Different tools for different jobs, folks.

Isn't this how we got Windows 8?
--
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On Mar 11, 2025 at 1:31:38 AM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2025-03-11 03:47:39 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Mar 10, 2025 at 5:33:46 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more like iOS
/ iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying to make computers
and touch devices work in the same way will never be a good option, let
alone the ridiculousness of trying to make both of them work like a
pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design change
will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales" needs to be
fired.

These rumours are very common. Because any "rumour" about Apple generates
clicks on websites.

Apparently the redesign has now been mentioned by three separate
"sources", including Mark Gurman, so has a bit more substance than most anonymous rumours. :-( <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/03/10/ios-19-visionos-redesign-rumors/>

MacOS UI and iPadOS UI are never going to merge. To do so would be like a
broken pencil.

Pointless.

The people who want a mouse and keyboard on an iPad and the people who want a
touch screen on a Mac have one thing in common. Both need to Get A Life.

You might as well wish for a steering wheel on motorcyles and handle bars on >> cars.

Different tools for different jobs, folks.

Precisely, but apparently some moron in management at Apple doesn't understand that. Although the OSes are apparently not planned to
actually merge, they already have been being made similar. For example
the ugly rounded rectangle icons infesting macOS and the make-over to
the old macOS "System Preferences" to be the horrible, near unusable,
"System Settings"). :-(

If Apple keeps trying to turn the Mac into a giant iPad, then they are
going to lose sales, not gain them.

Exactly.

The OSes are already 75% identical. All are Unix underneath. Only the UIs are different. For obvious reasons.

There is no point in making them run the same UIs. As someone else said, if
the only tool you have is a hammer then all problems tend to look like nails.


One size never fits all. We have microwave ovens and wood burning, brick
pizza ovens. Both are ovens, but for vastly different uses.

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On 13.03.25 14:17, Blueshirt wrote:

Your Name wrote:

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more
like iOS / iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying
to make computers and touch devices work in the same way will
never be a good option, let alone the ridiculousness of trying
to make both of them work like a pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design
change will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales"
needs to be fired.

Isn't there always some "moron in management" that likes to
change things for the sake of changing things? It seems an
obligatory position that gets filled in every company.

You like conspiracy therories, don't you?

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Your Name wrote:

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more
like iOS / iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying
to make computers and touch devices work in the same way will
never be a good option, let alone the ridiculousness of trying
to make both of them work like a pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design
change will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales"
needs to be fired.

Isn't there always some "moron in management" that likes to
change things for the sake of changing things? It seems an
obligatory position that gets filled in every company.

I don't use a Mac so as long as iOS remains a stable operating
system I'll be happy enough. If it ain't broke...

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On 13.03.25 15:14, badgolferman wrote:

Blueshirt wrote:

Isn't there always some "moron in management" that likes to
change things for the sake of changing things? It seems an
obligatory position that gets filled in every company.

Not just companies, but government too. It's called "justifying your
job".

Musk: badgolferman, you are fired!

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On 2025-03-13 13:17:15 +0000, Blueshirt said:

Your Name wrote:

Apple already started trying to make macOS look and work more
like iOS / iPadOS, and it's a bit of a horrible mess. Trying
to make computers and touch devices work in the same way will
never be a good option, let alone the ridiculousness of trying
to make both of them work like a pair of AR/VR googles. :-\

Plus, whichever moron in management thinks such a silly design
change will somehow "recapture some of its Pandemic-era sales"
needs to be fired.

Isn't there always some "moron in management"

There isn't just "someone" ... pretty much *all* management types are
morons, and that includes politicians (as badgolferman said). Most of
them are actually completely unnecessary jobs as well.

that likes to change things for the sake of changing things? It seems an obligatory position that gets filled in every company.

I don't use a Mac so as long as iOS remains a stable operating system
I'll be happy enough. If it ain't broke...

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