• [NEWS] Two Apple Silicon chip flaws could expose your private data to t

    From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 29 10:52:13 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Note the word *could* in the headline ... it's another storm in a
    teacup that probably nobody in the real world will ever encounter (at
    least nobody with the sense to avoid porn and pirate websites).

    It's also similar to flaws already found in all other ARM processors,
    so the brainless troll brigade should keep their idiotic pieholes shut.


    Two Apple Silicon chip flaws could expose your private data to thieves
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Apple's processors are fast because they predict what you'll need next,
    but when they guess wrong hackers can exploit those mistakes to steal
    your private data.

    Apple Silicon, like the M2 and M3, is designed to be some of the
    fastest in the world, powering iPads and Macs. Their strength is
    speculative execution, a feature that guesses what you'll need next to
    keep things running smoothly.

    But new research shows this speed boost comes with a cost. When these
    guesses are wrong, they can create vulnerabilities that hackers could
    use to access sensitive information, like emails and credit card
    details.


    SLAP & FLOP attacks
    Researchers from the Georgia Institute of Technology have identified
    two new Apple Silicon security vulnerabilities in Apple's recent CPUs,
    named SLAP and FLOP. These attacks exploit features in the M2, M3,
    A15, and A17 chips that are supposed to improve performance.

    The problem lies in how Apple's processors try to predict memory
    operations to speed up tasks. When these guesses are wrong, they
    accidentally open the door for hackers.

    SLAP (speculative execution via Load Address Prediction) lets
    attackers access private data, like email content, by tricking the
    processor into using out-of-bounds memory. FLOP (False Load Output
    Prediction) goes even further, bypassing memory safety checks.

    These aren't just theoretical attacks. The team demonstrated how SLAP
    could extract private emails from Safari and how FLOP could recover
    sensitive data like credit card details.

    While there's no evidence of hackers exploiting these flaws in the
    wild yet, the potential is there.


    Apple's next move
    SLAP and FLOP are similar to other speculative execution attacks like
    Spectre and Meltdown, which caused widespread concerns a few years
    ago. The difference here is that they specifically target Apple's
    hardware.

    Apple hasn't yet released a fix, but it's aware of the Apple Silicon
    vulnerabilities. The researchers who found SLAP and FLOP notified
    Apple about a year ago for one flaw, and about six months ago for the
    other.

    However the M4 chip was well underway at that time. True fixes often
    require changes at the chip level, which can't happen until the next
    generation of processors.

    Software updates might mitigate the problem.


    What you can do to stay safe
    If your Mac, iPhone, or iPad uses an M2, M3, A15, or A17 chip, it's
    vulnerable. That includes devices like the M2 MacBook Air, the
    iPhone 15 Pro, and the latest iPads. Older devices with M1 or earlier
    chips aren't impacted by these particular vulnerabilities, though they
    might face different risks.

    Keep your devices updated with the latest software, including security
    patches. Avoid untrusted websites and disable JavaScript when not
    needed. Browser extensions that block scripts can also help.



    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/01/28/two-apple-silicon-chip-flaws-could-make-your-private-data-vulnerable-to-theft>

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Your Name on Wed Jan 29 01:24:18 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 10:52:13 +1300, Your Name wrote :


    It's also similar to flaws already found in all other ARM processors,
    so the brainless troll brigade should keep their idiotic pieholes shut.

    And yet, the Apple trolls are always claiming that Apple "designed" those ARM-based flawed CPUs - so the real trolls are the Apple trolls, namely
    Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, nospam, Jolly Roger, Chris, Your Name, et al.

    My question is why are Apple products always the most highly exploited?

    Given all Apple did was run the ARM technology which output the CPUs, why didn't Apple (yet again) never sufficiently *TEST* their output for flaws?

    Why can't Apple even *copy* someone else's technology without the flaws?

    In the past decade, has Apple ever pioneered *any* useful new technology?
    *In the past decade, has Apple released ANY high-technology product before others did?*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=18909&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18909>

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Marion on Wed Jan 29 17:51:17 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-29 01:24:18 +0000, Marion said:

    On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 10:52:13 +1300, Your Name wrote :


    It's also similar to flaws already found in all other ARM processors,
    so the brainless troll brigade should keep their idiotic pieholes shut.

    And yet, the Apple trolls are always claiming that Apple "designed" those ARM-based flawed CPUs - so the real trolls are the Apple trolls, namely
    Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, nospam, Jolly Roger, Chris, Your Name, et al.

    My question is why are Apple products always the most highly exploited?

    Given all Apple did was run the ARM technology which output the CPUs, why didn't Apple (yet again) never sufficiently *TEST* their output for flaws?

    Why can't Apple even *copy* someone else's technology without the flaws?

    In the past decade, has Apple ever pioneered *any* useful new technology?
    *In the past decade, has Apple released ANY high-technology product
    before others did?*

    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=18909&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#18909>


    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the killfile. :-\

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Jan 29 08:28:20 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-29 04:49, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the killfile.
    :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your life?
    What does that say about you?


    That's a question you should ask "Marion"...

    ...don't you think?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Jan 29 11:22:39 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-29 11:21, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2025-01-29 04:49, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the
    killfile. :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your
    life? What does that say about you?


    That's a question you should ask "Marion"...

    ...don't you think?


    No. In every single post Your Name complains about "idiots" and
    "morons" regardless of what the context is or who he's referring to.
    He thinks he's the only one who's right about anything. In other
    words, he's extremely arrogant and condescending.

    And Marion/Andrew/Arlen does pretty much the same thing.

    The only difference is that "Your Name" doesn't change his nym so that
    anyone who doesn't like his posting style can killfile him.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Jan 30 10:20:30 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-29 19:21:07 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-01-29 04:49, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the
    killfile. :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your
    life? What does that say about you?


    That's a question you should ask "Marion"...

    ...don't you think?

    No. In every single post Your Name complains about "idiots" and
    "morons" regardless of what the context is or who he's referring to.
    He thinks he's the only one who's right about anything. In other
    words, he's extremely arrogant and condescending.

    If you actually read what that idiot wrote, then you'd realise they
    belong in the killfile of any sane person. It was just yet another
    moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Jan 29 14:17:20 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-29 13:33, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-01-29 19:21:07 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-01-29 04:49, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the
    killfile. :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your
    life? What does that say about you?


    That's a question you should ask "Marion"...

    ...don't you think?

    No. In every single post Your Name complains about "idiots" and
    "morons" regardless of what the context is or who he's referring to.
    He thinks he's the only one who's right about anything. In other
    words, he's extremely arrogant and condescending.

    If you actually read what that idiot wrote, then you'd realise they
    belong in the killfile of any sane person. It was just yet another
    moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll.

    Thank you for making my point.
    He's talking about another nym of the SAME PERSON, you idiot.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Jan 30 12:33:41 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-29 21:33:54 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-29 19:21:07 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-01-29 04:49, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name wrote:
    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the
    killfile. :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your
    life? What does that say about you?


    That's a question you should ask "Marion"...

    ...don't you think?

    No. In every single post Your Name complains about "idiots" and
    "morons" regardless of what the context is or who he's referring to.
    He thinks he's the only one who's right about anything. In other
    words, he's extremely arrogant and condescending.

    If you actually read what that idiot wrote, then you'd realise they
    belong in the killfile of any sane person. It was just yet another
    moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll.

    Thank you for making my point.

    So you actually think the complete bullshit lies that moron writes is
    helpful and useful to the newsgroup?!? :-\

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Jan 29 16:07:43 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2025-01-29 15:56, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-01-29 21:33:54 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-29 19:21:07 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-01-29 04:49, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name wrote:
    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the
    killfile. :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your >>>>>>> life? What does that say about you?


    That's a question you should ask "Marion"...

    ...don't you think?

    No. In every single post Your Name complains about "idiots" and
    "morons" regardless of what the context is or who he's referring to. >>>>> He thinks he's the only one who's right about anything. In other
    words, he's extremely arrogant and condescending.

    If you actually read what that idiot wrote, then you'd realise they
    belong in the killfile of any sane person. It was just yet another
    moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll.

    Thank you for making my point.

    So you actually think the complete bullshit lies that moron writes is
    helpful and useful to the newsgroup?!? :-\




    To you “everything” is moronic and idiotic, not just what Arlen says. Do you get it now?


    Give some examples.

    How about just one?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Jan 30 09:35:46 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2025-01-30 05:00, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    To you “everything” is moronic and idiotic, not just what Arlen
    says. Do you get it now?


    Give some examples.

    How about just one?

    Do your own research. Click on ten ofhis messages and nearly all refer
    to idiotic or moronic. AI is just one example.

    So you claim it...

    ...claim it would be easy to find...

    ...but won't actually do it despite it being so easy.

    Do you see what's wrong with this picture?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Jan 30 09:43:57 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2025-01-30 09:43, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2025-01-30 05:00, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    To you “everything” is moronic and idiotic, not just what Arlen
    says. Do you get it now?


    Give some examples.

    How about just one?

    Do your own research. Click on ten ofhis messages and nearly all
    refer to idiotic or moronic. AI is just one example.

    So you claim it...

    ...claim it would be easy to find...

    ...but won't actually do it despite it being so easy.

    Do you see what's wrong with this picture?

    Yeah, your attempts at picking a fight.

    You're the one who attempted to pick a fight...

    ...with a bullshit claim you won't support.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Jan 30 19:47:50 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:43:21 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    So you claim it...

    ...claim it would be easy to find...

    ...but won't actually do it despite it being so easy.

    Do you see what's wrong with this picture?

    Yeah, your attempts at picking a fight.

    Hi badgolferman,

    Remember, the Apple trolls are on Usenet for their own sadistic amusement. They're not on Usenet to (a) Learn, nor to (b) Disseminate Knowledge.

    As a direct result of Apple trolls being on Usenet for sadistic amusement,
    the Apple trolls like Alan Baker spend five seconds (maximum!) on each of
    their replies - where Alan in particular - always says everything is wrong.

    Saying everything is wrong is what other Apple trolls do also, such as
    nospam & Jolly Roger & Chris - but the difference with Alan Baker (and
    Joerg) is they never once clicked on any link provided, nor do they bother
    to look up any claim.

    They just say every claim is wrong.

    To wit, we can have many threads on a topic in which Alan Baker actively participates in, and then, if we bring up that topic months later, Alan
    Baker will openly claim not only that all facts are wrong - but that he
    doesn't know anything about the facts you already discussed with him.

    It's what these Apple trolls do.

    Basically, you can assume that every claim they say is wrong is really
    their way of admitting publicly that they hate that the claim is right.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Thu Jan 30 11:51:59 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2025-01-30 11:47, Marion wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:43:21 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    So you claim it...

    ...claim it would be easy to find...

    ...but won't actually do it despite it being so easy.

    Do you see what's wrong with this picture?

    Yeah, your attempts at picking a fight.

    Hi badgolferman,

    Remember, the Apple trolls are on Usenet for their own sadistic amusement. They're not on Usenet to (a) Learn, nor to (b) Disseminate Knowledge.

    As a direct result of Apple trolls being on Usenet for sadistic amusement, the Apple trolls like Alan Baker spend five seconds (maximum!) on each of their replies - where Alan in particular - always says everything is wrong.

    Saying everything is wrong is what other Apple trolls do also, such as
    nospam & Jolly Roger & Chris - but the difference with Alan Baker (and
    Joerg) is they never once clicked on any link provided, nor do they bother
    to look up any claim.

    They just say every claim is wrong.

    To wit, we can have many threads on a topic in which Alan Baker actively participates in, and then, if we bring up that topic months later, Alan
    Baker will openly claim not only that all facts are wrong - but that he doesn't know anything about the facts you already discussed with him.

    It's what these Apple trolls do.

    Basically, you can assume that every claim they say is wrong is really
    their way of admitting publicly that they hate that the claim is right.

    There are no links to click on here, but let me just tell you that what
    you claim here is wrong.

    I do click your links, and I do expose your bullshit.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Jan 31 11:06:08 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-29 12:49:37 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Your Name wrote:

    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the killfile.
    :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your life?
    What does that say about you?

    I'm certainly not the only one, and many of these others are highly
    respected ... :op

    "In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he
    made school boards."
    - Mark Twain

    "Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots."
    - John Kennedy

    "I'm fed up with the idiots... the ever-widening gap between people
    who know how to make movies and the people who green-light the
    movies."
    - Sean Connery

    "Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using
    pretentious jargon."
    - David Ogilvy

    "Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people
    clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
    - Walter Kerr

    "The minute somebody joins a committee... they immediately suffer
    from committee brain. They become wildly over-enthusiastic,
    over-optimistic, over-pessimistic. Committees turn people into
    idiots, and politics is a committee."
    - P. J. O'Rourke

    "The main difference between men and women is that men are lunatics
    and women are idiots."
    - Rebecca West

    "More idiots should just shut their mouths."
    - Chris Martin

    "Major actions by courageous and wise men will be necessary to
    avoid our continuing to blunder into the space age like
    unenlightened and selfish idiots."
    - Fritz Zwicky


    ... and many many more.
    <https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/idiots-quotes>

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Jan 30 16:13:10 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-30 15:10, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-01-29 12:49:37 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Your Name wrote:

    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the
    killfile. :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your
    life? What does that say about you?

    I'm certainly not the only one, and many of these others are highly
    respected ... :op

    "In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he
    made school boards." - Mark Twain

    "Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots."
    - John Kennedy

    "I'm fed up with the idiots... the ever-widening gap between people
    who know how to make movies and the people who green-light the
    movies."
    - Sean Connery

    "Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using
    pretentious jargon."
    - David Ogilvy

    "Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people
    clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
    - Walter Kerr

    "The minute somebody joins a committee... they immediately suffer
    from committee brain. They become wildly over-enthusiastic,
    over-optimistic, over-pessimistic. Committees turn people into
    idiots, and politics is a committee."
    - P. J. O'Rourke

    "The main difference between men and women is that men are lunatics
    and women are idiots."
    - Rebecca West

    "More idiots should just shut their mouths."
    - Chris Martin

    "Major actions by courageous and wise men will be necessary to
    avoid our continuing to blunder into the space age like
    unenlightened and selfish idiots."
    - Fritz Zwicky


    ... and many many more.
    <https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/idiots-quotes>


    Assuming everyone else is an idiot only shows you're not as smart as
    you think you are.
    Only an idiot would take away from his post that he assumes everyone
    else are idiots.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Jan 31 18:44:07 2025
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-01-30 23:10:31 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-29 12:49:37 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Your Name wrote:

    Yet another moronic know-nothing anti-Apple troll for the
    killfile. :-\

    Have you noticed how there are so many morons and idiots in your
    life? What does that say about you?

    I'm certainly not the only one, and many of these others are highly
    respected ... :op

    "In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he
    made school boards." - Mark Twain

    "Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots."
    - John Kennedy

    "I'm fed up with the idiots... the ever-widening gap between people
    who know how to make movies and the people who green-light the
    movies."
    - Sean Connery

    "Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using
    pretentious jargon."
    - David Ogilvy

    "Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people
    clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
    - Walter Kerr

    "The minute somebody joins a committee... they immediately suffer
    from committee brain. They become wildly over-enthusiastic,
    over-optimistic, over-pessimistic. Committees turn people into
    idiots, and politics is a committee."
    - P. J. O'Rourke

    "The main difference between men and women is that men are lunatics
    and women are idiots."
    - Rebecca West

    "More idiots should just shut their mouths."
    - Chris Martin

    "Major actions by courageous and wise men will be necessary to
    avoid our continuing to blunder into the space age like
    unenlightened and selfish idiots."
    - Fritz Zwicky


    ... and many many more.
    <https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/idiots-quotes>

    Assuming everyone else is an idiot only shows you're not as smart as
    you think you are.

    I never said anywhere that "everyone else is an idiot" ... but you
    continue to believe whatever utter nonsense you want. :-\

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