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Doesn't Apple advertise privacy?
Where is it?
Is there a way to SKIP that privacy-robbing collection of your phone?
Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
simply by changing its posting name.
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply change its name when it wants you to feed it again.
On 19.11.24 17:34, Peter Piper wrote:
Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
simply by changing its posting name.
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
change its name when it wants you to feed it again.
It is easy to catch the Arlen with an appropriate filter even if it pops
up as a reincarnation of itself.
On 2024-11-22 13:58, Andrew wrote:
-hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :
In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just...
what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
before trying to condemn any one vendor.
Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.
What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?
For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play
Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.
Cite please!
It has obsessive tropes.
On 2024-11-23 06:57, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
It has obsessive tropes.
I'll amend that to ...
It has excessive obsessive tropes.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-23 06:57, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I stand corrected.
It has obsessive tropes.
I'll amend that to ...
It has excessive obsessive tropes.
What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?
Yup, still waiting.
For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play
Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.
Cite please!
Which needs to be reconcile against this, which says that you do:
" A range of Google applications and services is available on your
device when you purchase it, for example, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube,
and the Google Play application. To get the most out of these services,
you need a Google account." <https://helpguide.sony.net/mobile/xperia-5/v1/en/contents/why-do-i-need-a-google-account.html>
Plus of course the tracking integral to Google Chrome (see current
lawsuit) where it effectively doxxes its users without them consenting.
-hh wrote on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 08:52:13 -0500 :
What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?
Yup, still waiting.
It's not surprising the Apple trolls know nothing about anything, ...
but even
so, since -hh hasn't acted like the rest of the ignorant trolls, note that this has been discussed & tested for a long time on the Windows 11 ng.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=alt.comp.os.windows-10>
What's funny about that is the Apple trolls only look at Apple marketing brochures to find all their information they think they know about stuff.
For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play
Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.
Cite please!
Which needs to be reconcile against this, which says that you do:
" A range of Google applications and services is available on your
device when you purchase it, for example, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube,
and the Google Play application. To get the most out of these services,
you need a Google account."
<https://helpguide.sony.net/mobile/xperia-5/v1/en/contents/why-do-i-need-a-google-account.html>
Again (and again) it's no longer shocking the Apple trolls know absolutely nothing of everything they think they know anything about such as this.
Who is that stupid as to think you need a Google account on Android?
I haven't had a Google account on Android for years and mine works fine.
The fact is setting up a Google account on Android is NOT needed to have
full functionality (such as downloading & installing apps from the App Store). I do it all the time and I've been doing it for many years.
Note that adding a Microsoft account isn't needed on Windows either.
It's only Apple who murders your privacy.
Plus of course the tracking integral to Google Chrome (see current
lawsuit) where it effectively doxxes its users without them consenting.
I don't have Google Chrome on my Android phone and it works just fine.
I have *plenty* of web browsers - but none of them are Google Chrome.
Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret.
Andrews wrote on Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:55:48 -0000 (UTC) :
Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret.
It turns out that it's not possible to create a new iCloud account without calling Apple personally and giving them your phone number to verify.
Not if there is already an iCloud account set up with your Android phone. It's impossible to do it from your iPad device. You must talk to Apple.
And then you must identify yourself to Apple's satisfaction.
Just to set up an iCloud account on the iPad.
Which proves there is no privacy with Apple products. None.
No other operating system vendor has that privacy robbing requirement.
Not Google. Not Microsoft. Nobody.
Just Apple.
All to make their walled-garden work.
That is, you trade your privacy to get the walled garden to work.
Great deal.
For Apple.
What *they* do, is they set up the Apple account on their side.
This can only happen if you call them & identify yourself to them.
Only *after* Apple creates the iCloud account, can you then set it up.
Even after they've created the iCloud account over the phone, they still require your phone number to verify that iCloud account on the iPad.
The trick is you can't do it with their iOS system prompts.
Nope. Won't work.
You *must* do it through the email app.
Go figure.
It's Apple so it doesn't have to make any sense.
In the end, you *can* create a new iCloud account but you have to trade
your privacy to do it with Apple products.
Apple brazenly lies about privacy.
There is no privacy on Apple products.
Proof.
<https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>
Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
Apple does not ask for
SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.
What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
compromises anything?
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
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And all that is total bullshit.
Apple does not ask for
SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.
What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
compromises anything?
You never answer my questions. You don't have answers.
This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
simply by changing its posting name.
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply change its name when it wants you to feed it again.
Tom Elam wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:55:52 -0500 :
And all that is total bullshit.
I'm going to respond to this particular Apple troll, Tom Elam,
as if he owns the mentality of an adult. Is that OK with you Tom?
Since you called well-established facts "bullshit", what exactly are you claiming is "bullshit" since I provided all necessary details, including screenshots, proving Apple *requires* your personal phone number in order
to set up an iCloud account which is needed to download apps for the iPad.
Why do you Apple trolls call that "bullshit"?
Is it because you don't believe it?
If so, that means you're completely ignorant of how the walled garden
works.
Or, is it because you don't like it?
Then you're just being an ignorant troll by claiming the earth is flat. Simply because you don't like that it's round.
The fact is only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege
of installing apps. Google doesn't do it. Microsoft doesn't either.
Just Apple.
That's a fact.
You can call that fact "bullshit", but then, as an adult, I ask why.
Apple does not ask for
SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.
Huh? Nobody said they did. And yet, they do. Apple *requires* your
government ID whenever you stop logging into your iPad, which you Apple trolls are unaware that you're logging into the Apple servers every day.
Yes. You heard that correctly. Only Apple requires your government issue iD to unlock an iPad that Apple unilaterally bricked simply because you
stopped logging into it for two years (this happened on two different iPads!).
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login
What's interesting is you Apple trolls know nothing about Apple.
Why don't you Apple trolls know anything about how Apple really works?
What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
compromises anything?
Huh? It's your phone number. Only you. Nobody else. If you don't understand that it compromises your privacy, then let me ask you why you think NOBODY BUT APPLE does this? Nobody. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Just Apple.
Do you Apple trolls understand anything at the level an adult should?
Why, Tom Elam, do you think only Apple requires your phone number in order
to install apps - when NOBODY else who makes an OS requires your privacy?
You never answer my questions. You don't have answers.
You make that claim without even realizing I know more about Apple than all of you Apple trolls combined do - since NONE of you even know that you're logging into Apple mainframe servers every single moment of every day of
the rest of your natural life. You don't know that. You think you're not.
But you are.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...
Only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing apps. Google doesn't do it. Neither does Microsoft. Just Apple.
Why is that a fact, Tom Elam?
On 2024-11-19 16:34:18 +0000, Peter Piper said:
Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
simply by changing its posting name.
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
change its name when it wants you to feed it again.
And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
simply by changing its posting name.
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply change its name when it wants you to feed it again.
On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
Answering it feeds it.
And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
Answering it feeds it.
engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive nutters would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days of no nonsense moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a shitshow thanks primarily
to one or more bad actors and their multiple enablers.
That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the group while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after him.
On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
Answering it feeds it.
engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive
nutters would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days
of no nonsense moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a
shitshow thanks primarily to one or more bad actors and their
multiple enablers.
That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the
group while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after
him.
No troll August worked
Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader
than a doornail.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-21, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
Answering it feeds it.
engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive
nutters would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days
of no nonsense moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a
shitshow thanks primarily to one or more bad actors and their
multiple enablers.
That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the
group while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after
him.
No troll August worked
"No troll August" is a really strange way of saying "allowing trolls to
lie, belittle, and so on for a month here without objection".
You'll note that the trolls posted far less that month.
Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader
than a doornail.
When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy
newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible
people just stay away as a result.
Let us know when you're capable of that.
No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
I really don't get why people continue to engage
Now groups like this devolve into a shitshow thanks primarily
to one or more bad actors and their multiple enablers.
When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy >>> newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible >>> people just stay away as a result.
Let us know when you're capable of that.
+1 (Usenet's Like button)
Why do the Apple trolls viciously hate anyone telling the truth on this ng?
Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:24:59 -0500 :
No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
What idiots you Apple trolls are, Alan Browne.
I was on *vacation* in Germany most of August, you fools.
We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as you
refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start to
become normal again
I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more reasonable
than the rest of the hive.
Andrew wrote:
badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :
We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as
you refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start
to become normal again
I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more
reasonable than the rest of the hive.
I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
posting here.
Jolly Roger === Lewis
Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
Haemactylus === Your Name
Alan Browne === Chris
nospam === he is in a category of his own
The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far
more about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even
as if we took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing -
but he was simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not
needed & not wanted.
Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually
think for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne loves to quote Apple white
papers, and Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the
walled-garden restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to
pay dearly to be admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some
things on an adult level.
Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences
are that the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former
two do not, and, what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never
related to the topic.
Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference
being Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their
own amusement.
When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this
newsgroup for at least as long as I have and who is the classic
epitome of the Apple troll.
To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple
troll team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that
Jolly Roger hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type
of inane childish vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully
in all ways possible).
As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple
trolls, in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without
any qualms.
Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves
that such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible
to those that do simply because they have been told their entire
lives that they're stupid - and they want to get back at everyone
else for doing that to them.
Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with
those clarifying distinctions above?
Maybe Chris should be in his own category. Anyone who can see through
Jolly Roger's bullshit and calls him out for it is okay with me.
Andrew wrote:
We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as you
refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start to
become normal again
I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more reasonable
than the rest of the hive.
On 2024-11-21, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
Answering it feeds it.
engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive
nutters would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days
of no nonsense moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a
shitshow thanks primarily to one or more bad actors and their
multiple enablers.
That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the
group while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after
him.
No troll August worked
"No troll August" is a really strange way of saying "allowing trolls to
lie, belittle, and so on for a month here without objection".
Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader
than a doornail.
When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible people just stay away as a result.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
Answering it feeds it.
engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive nutters >>> would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days of no nonsense >>> moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a shitshow thanks primarily >>> to one or more bad actors and their multiple enablers.
That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the group >>> while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after him.
No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader than
a doornail. Other (web based and other) social media has taken over.
And likely preferable as Arlen won't ever be found there due to his
"privacy" issues. He can just rant away here on his own.
Alan wrote:
You know, in many ways you're worse than Arlen.
Arlen doesn't pretend to be even-handed or unbiased.
You're really just an asshole.
If that's what you think of me then that says a lot about you.
Andrew wrote:
badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :
We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as
you refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start
to become normal again
I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more
reasonable than the rest of the hive.
I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
posting here.
Jolly Roger === Lewis
Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
Haemactylus === Your Name
Alan Browne === Chris
nospam === he is in a category of his own
The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far
more about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even
as if we took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing -
but he was simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not
needed & not wanted.
Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually
think for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne loves to quote Apple white
papers, and Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the
walled-garden restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to
pay dearly to be admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some
things on an adult level.
Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences
are that the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former
two do not, and, what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never
related to the topic.
Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference
being Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their
own amusement.
When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this
newsgroup for at least as long as I have and who is the classic
epitome of the Apple troll.
To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple
troll team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that
Jolly Roger hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type
of inane childish vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully
in all ways possible).
As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple
trolls, in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without
any qualms.
Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves
that such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible
to those that do simply because they have been told their entire
lives that they're stupid - and they want to get back at everyone
else for doing that to them.
Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with
those clarifying distinctions above?
Maybe Chris should be in his own category. Anyone who can see through
Jolly Roger's bullshit and calls him out for it is okay with me.
I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of<snip a load of drivel>
the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
posting here.
And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile.
Ignore the trolls, filter them. They go away eventually.
Your Name wrote on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:30:04 +1300 :
And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile.
The fact is that only Apple requires you to lose your privacy just so that you can access the app store. Nobody else requires you to set up an account on the device just so you can install apps from the official app store.
Not Google. Not Microsoft.
Just Apple.
In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
before trying to condemn any one vendor.
For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?
-hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :
In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
before trying to condemn any one vendor.
For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?
That's a surprisingly adult question for an Apple troll to ask, so I will faithfully answer that question as best I know as if -hh is an adult.
Fair enough?
Bear in mind I'm an expert at Windows & Android & iOS accounts, so you're going to hear the truth from me - not something Apple marketing would say.
For Windows, Microsoft would love for you to provide an account, for
reasons which are obvious, but there is no requirement for an account.
Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.
For Linux, I'm sure you're aware there is no requirement to create an account, so again, no personal information is required of you to use it.
For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.
I have over 900 apps installed on my Android phone, for example, most of which are off the Google Play Store and I have no Google account set up.
It's only Apple that requires that account.
In reality, you do NOT have to set up an account on an Apple iOS device. But... it won't be able to do anything.
At least a Windows, Linux & Android device works just fine without the account, but the Apple device is even more crippled than normal with it.
Let me know if you have any other questions as I use them all personally.
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On 2024-11-24 23:04, -hh wrote:
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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-24 23:04, -hh wrote:I fully agree with you, but find this a losing battle. <S>
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On 2024-11-27 09:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-11-24 23:04, -hh wrote:I fully agree with you, but find this a losing battle. <S>
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It doesn't matter. I've found many other groups where there are more
people who are:
-polite
-humble and/or genuinely subject matter experts (and not snide about it)
-can talk about a shortcoming of iPhones v. Android w/o making it a
black and white battle for the souls of the human race
-broader range of valuable inputs and insights
-no trolls (not very long anyway)
-no moderation delay - but a-holes get ejected within hours if not minutes
So I tell myself at least once per week not to bother coming here ...
and one day (probably soon) I will heed my own advice. And by "here"
I mean usenet (I use about 6 NG's).
Reddit is a vast area and it's hard to find "the right place" (I don't
spend enough time on it, so hard to find "the right place").
