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There's a prescient observation for Apple trolls of...
Q: Why do Apple trolls know nothing about anything?
A: ?

Least of all about Apple products.

For example, Alan Baker claims to know about BMWs and yet, he clearly
doesn't know the first thing about them - down to not even knowing what the
the parts are on the engine that make bimmers work the way they do.

All Alan Baker knows is the bullshit that BMW marketing fed him.

Chris claims to know about immunology and yet, he doesn't know the first
thing about immunology - such as the relative size of a SARS-COV-2 RNA
genome or extremely basic terms such as the use of "vehicle" in science.

All Chris knows is the bullshit that is fed to him by the media.

Alan Browne claims that the resale value of the iPhone is higher than
Android when he doesn't even add into the fact that he ignored all the
costs of ownership such as AppleCare+ and the proprietary cabling & the
need to purchase components due to the lack of basic hardware (such as
standard ports and slots which are missing on all current iPhones and the
need to constantly replace batteries due to the substandard capacity).

All Alan Browne knows is the bullshit fed to him in Apple white papers.

Jolly Roger claims Apple fully supports old releases. He doesn't know that Apple has *never* fully supported more than one release in all its history.

All Jolly Roger knows is the (brilliant) marketing fed to him by Apple.

The question is valid since *everyone* but Apple trolls knows this stuff.
Q: Why do these Apple trolls know nothing about anything?
A: ?

Why do Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing?

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badgolferman wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 15:05:28 -0000 (UTC) :

I never claimed to be a BMW expert - I simply claimed to own a bimmer
and a beemer and because of that, I know a lot about those two
vehicles.

I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
not like that's a long acronym.

I may have mentioned this once. My mother who is German made sure I
knew how to pronounce Audi correctly. She hated when people pronounced
it "au-di" and said it's pronounced "ow-di".

I'm of German descent and I've always known what a bimmer & beemer are, badgolferman - but - I've owned both bimmers and beemers also.

If I own something, I then learn what I need to learn to know everything I
want to know about it. In the case of the beemer, my 525i happens to have a
CCV valve, which happens to clog up, which happens to make it fail
California emissions - which means - I have to learn how to replace it.

You will *never forget* a CCV replacement badgolferman. Never.
It's not possible to forget because you have to rip the engine bay apart.

When you replace the cooling system, you will *never forget* that the Behr expansion tank is just about as complicated as they could have made it.

When you replace the thermostat & waterpump, you will *never forget* the special 32mm tools you need just to spin off the radiator fan which has to
be removed before you can get the serpentine belt off.

To get the serpentine belt off, you will *never forget* how strongly and strangely designed the belt tensioners are that you have to also deal with.

When you fail emissions again, you have to deal with the DISA valve, which
is an expensive plastic piece of garbage that is on the intake manifold.

When you adjust your (admittedly rather comfortable leather) driver seat,
you will *never forget* the adjusting cable slips out of its clasp because eventually they all get "seat twist" which you then have to deal with.

Speaking of the interior, the cupholders are a joke but you have to periodically replace them because they break on every single 525i owner.

The trunk loom is a disaster just waiting to happen, depending on which
wires chafe and then short out against the others, causing all sorts of
strange electrical problems which are almost impossible to diagnose.

Speaking of impossible to diagnose, when the ABS control module goes out,
and it will because it fails on everyone - when you take it apart, you'll
be appalled at the "angel hairs" inside which simply break off at the weld.

All this - and more - is what will be inescapable to any bimmer owner who
owned the particular model that I owned since these problems are universal.

Those are just facts - but the *assessment* of those facts is my simple
summary that BMW does not know how to make systems work together.

Since *none* of those issues was in the drive train or suspension, I will
say that BMW makes those two systems work beautifully together.

Do you see what I'm trying to impart - which has nothing per se to do with
BMW but to do with *understanding* things that a normal person should do.

I (think I) understand how BMW thinks about the design of vehicles.
a. The drive train & suspension are what BMW cares about
b. Not anything else

Back to your question, it's a running joke among *all* BMW aficionados that
the noobs always come into the web site (such as bimmerfest.com) always
trying to tell us how much they know about their vehicle.

The instant they use the word beemer for a car, for example, we know
they're completely clueless morons who are posers like Alan Baker is.

If someone doesn't even know a beemer from a bimmer, they know nothing
about BMW vehicles as only the posers confuse the two critically important terms (for most of us who own both - and I know you own a motorcycle too).

If a person tells you that you "drive" that big heavy Honda you own, you
would also instantly ascertain they know absolutely nothing about bikes.

Am I right?

The point here is the Apple trolls know nothing about Apple products.
In fact, the Apple trolls know nothing about anything.
They're all Dunning Kruger left of the first quartile on Mount Stupid.
You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this.

But those trolls themselves are who think they're geniuses for standing in
long lines outside the Apple store waiting along with other likewise Apple geniuses to pay through the nose for a substandard product line from Apple.

All the Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.

They don't actually know *anything* about the Apple products they love.
Just like none of them know anything about BMWs (the bikes or the cars).

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On 2024-11-09 06:50, Andrews wrote:

There's a prescient observation for Apple trolls of...
Q: Why do Apple trolls know nothing about anything?
A: ?

Least of all about Apple products.

For example, Alan Baker claims to know about BMWs and yet, he clearly
doesn't know the first thing about them - down to not even knowing what the the parts are on the engine that make bimmers work the way they do.

Lots of people drive cars without knowing about engine parts, Arlen.

And I never claimed to "know about BMWs".

I just happen to drive one.

You dragged the goalposts away from claiming I don't own one, didn't you?

:-)

All Alan Baker knows is the bullshit that BMW marketing fed him.

I've never seen much marketing material about any cars, Arlen.

For the record:

Here's my current road car:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RksO8IIHEzap0YkYbkLNReU2zKc5WhLw/view?usp=share_link>

Me in my current road racing car:

<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19bcmcwANrxaHzebNKWGu2V-lvQgTtCl-?usp=share_link>

My current race license:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TGOu7kBmLk6XwQgLz7h1PX0FTyMrtSDG/view?usp=share_link>

My current road racing instructor's license:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K_iC3Vtkp5gP36T4lBZFc7rAkmzQ7x9u/view?usp=share_link>

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*Hemidactylus* wrote on Sat, 09 Nov 2024 16:51:27 +0000 :

I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
not like that's a long acronym.

Arlen is a pseudointellectual hack who introduces irrelevant asides into a discussion to parade why he thinks he's more knowledgable than his many targets. Why else would anyone arbitrarily introduce Einstein into a discussion besides an exercise in pseudointellectual pretense? Only wackaloons do that.

What's interesting is the Apple trolls like Hemidactylus, who know nothing about anything, instantly assume that terms are for "pseudointellectuals".

Notice that normal people (like badgolferman) simply ask why all BMW aficionados use these specific terms, while the hoi polloi don't know them.

Yet these Apple trolls, who, of course, don't know BMW terms & yet they
claim to own BMWs, call anyone who knows anything, a "pseudointellectual".

Since badgolferman rides a Gold Wing (which Honda doesn't usually refer to
as a "Goldwing" but many people do), he knows the terms "ride" & "drive".

If someone walks up to him saying "I know everything about Goldwings
because I drive one myself", badgolferman would know he is a poser.

This is relevant because all th Apple trolls are posers.
They're all on Mount Stupid to the left of the 1st Dunning-Kruger quadrile.

Which is why it was important to destroy the poser who claimed to be a physicist and yet he didn't even realize gravity is not a force.

Likewise with Alan Baker who claims to "teach racing" and yet Alan has no
idea whatsoever of what a catenary is - which is a common term for curves.

Similarly with Jolly Roger who claims that Apple fully supports older
releases when the fact is even Apple says they have never ever done that.

Same with Chris who claims to own a doctorate in the medical sciences and
yet he ridicules common immunology terms like "vehicle" which everyone
learns in their very first class in immunology or his claim that an RNA
genome of 30K subunits is tiny - when in fact - it's HUGE for RNA virions.

My main point is that all these Apple trolls are posers.

All the Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.

They don't actually know *anything* about the Apple products they love.

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badgolferman wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 18:25:11 -0000 (UTC) :

If only they had built
in an access panel for the air filter...

Same with the CCV on my 525i which is merely a PCV but with a far more
complex design such that BMW decided to call it, instead, a CCV.

It's horribly complicated.

And as a result, it *always* eats itself up in just a few years.

So *everyone* with that bimmer model has to replace it.

Like your Gold%20Wing/Gold-Wing/Goldwing/etc. air filter joke, it's as if
BMW started with a CCV and then built the entire engine around that one emissions component.

It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't fail emissions - but it often does.

So everyone who knows anything about that bimmer model is well acquainted
with the CCV (among other horridly designed engine components).

If they claim to be knowledgeable in that model, and if they don't know
about the CCV, then it's clear that they're just posers playing games.

Like Alan Baker who never knew what a catenary was until I explained it to
him in terms of sweeping around curves at constant speeds.

Alan Baker was so stupid, even after he looked it up - he thought it was
about bridges - which proves yet again my point these Apple trolls are incredibly uneducated, and hence ignorant of everything - especially Apple products.

Even when told a catenary had to do with taking curves at speed, these
Apple trolls insisted a catenary has only to do with suspension bridges.

That's how stupid these Apple trolls truly are.

They read Wikipedia, which I'm sure mentions suspension bridges, and they
don't have the education to flip the terms 90 degrees to sweeping out
curves at constant speed.

They're morons.

Which is my point.

My main point is that all these Apple trolls are posers.

All the Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.

They don't actually know *anything* about the Apple products they love.
In fact, it's patently obvious they don't know anything about anything.

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On 2024-11-09 11:59, Andrews wrote:

badgolferman wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 18:25:11 -0000 (UTC) :

If only they had built
in an access panel for the air filter...

Same with the CCV on my 525i which is merely a PCV but with a far more

complex design such that BMW decided to call it, instead, a CCV.

It's horribly complicated.

And as a result, it *always* eats itself up in just a few years.

So *everyone* with that bimmer model has to replace it.

Like your Gold%20Wing/Gold-Wing/Goldwing/etc. air filter joke, it's as if
BMW started with a CCV and then built the entire engine around that one emissions component.

It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't fail emissions - but it often does.

So everyone who knows anything about that bimmer model is well acquainted with the CCV (among other horridly designed engine components).

If they claim to be knowledgeable in that model, and if they don't know
about the CCV, then it's clear that they're just posers playing games.

Like Alan Baker who never knew what a catenary was until I explained it to him in terms of sweeping around curves at constant speeds.

Except you don't "sweep around curves at constant speeds" when you're
road racing, Arlen.

Alan Baker was so stupid, even after he looked it up - he thought it was about bridges - which proves yet again my point these Apple trolls are incredibly uneducated, and hence ignorant of everything - especially Apple products.

Nope. That's simply false.

Even when told a catenary had to do with taking curves at speed, these
Apple trolls insisted a catenary has only to do with suspension bridges.

False again.

That's how stupid these Apple trolls truly are.

They read Wikipedia, which I'm sure mentions suspension bridges, and they don't have the education to flip the terms 90 degrees to sweeping out
curves at constant speed.

You don't take curves at constant speeds when racing, doofus.

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pothead wrote on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 01:49:13 -0000 (UTC) :

I've used all the common consumer operating systems, and I agree that the
Linux and Windows and Android systems give the user choice & functionality.

Same.

Good. As I own a half dozen iPhones & iPads and as many Androids, plus
Windows and Linux (generally set up as dual boot) and I've "owned" macs but
you do not want to hear me discuss macOS for two reasons, only one of which
is that I have nothing good to say about it - but the other is that I admit
I haven't touched a mac in about two or three years so they may have
changed a lot since I last wanted to throw it out the fifth-floor window.

Most of what you refer to as "OS wars" are really from the Apple trolls
spewing (brilliant) Apple propaganda such as "it just works" lies.

Every OS has issues.
There is no exception.

This is true. But there's a HUGE DIFFERENCE in the user base for each.

In general... Linux users know what it is that sits on their desk.
a. They're competent.
b. Particularly the Linux users who post to Linux Usenet newsgroups.

Windows users fall into two fundamental categories
a. Users who are competent (which is most who post to Usenet ngs).
b. But there are far more Windows users who are technically clueless.

Apple users are strange people because they buy based on herd mentality.
a. Almost zero Apple users are competent for that very reason
b. Certanily none of the Apple trolls who post to Usenet are competent
c. You can tell because they only spew baseless Apple propaganda

While Apple propaganda is much like Russian propaganda where only the
ignorant parrot it back - you'll find the Apple troll who posts to Usenet
is like the Russian troll who claims Nazi Banderites are why they're in Ukraine.

My point is very clear that the Apple troll who posts to Usenet is not a
normal person - they're very strange herd animals who are technically incompetent - but they're so Dunning Kruger Mount Stupid that they don't
even realize how incompetent they are because they KNOW all the Apple propaganda - so they spit it out.

Hence... the "OS Wars" someone spoke of occur because these Apple trolls
are so technically ignorant they don't even know that Apple only fully
supports a single release - and that Apple has NEVER fully supported more
than a single release.

They don't know Apple iPhones have the smallest batteries in the industry
such that the EU told Apple that next year Apple can no longer sell an
iPhone in the EU that doesn't meet modern battery lifetime specifications.

Which almost all of Apple's current iPhones do NOT meet, by the way.

These Apple users are so clueless that they parrot Apple propaganda that
the iPhone is "safer" and yet they're clueless that no phone has more
zero-day holes than the iPhone, nor more active exploits than the iPhone.

All of this comes as a surprise to the Apple trolls who post to Usenet
simply because they are all completely incompetent technically.

That's what separates the Apple posters from the normal adults on this ng.

Try to get a system firewall to "just work" on an iOS device. It just
doesn't work. Same with Wi-Fi & cellular debugging tools. They don't work.

The walled garden.
Do it as Apple want or go away.

It's even worse than that since most people don't realize that the iDevice
is a "dumb terminal" since all of the nice things the Apple lovers love
about the walled garden happen on Cupertino mainframe servers.

Without logging into the mainframe, the Apple dumb terminal devices can't
do anything (they can't even message the way they like or install apps).

No other common consumer operating system requires you to log into their OS vendor's mainframes every moment of your life just to use the device.

Just Apple.

Try to plug in your wired headphones to the expensive Apple gear.
Again, it stands no chance of working.

Apple keeps redefining connectivity to stay one step ahead of the competition.
It's getting insane.

Apple *removed* the 3.5mm jack to limit the users' choice which in the end makes lots of money for Apple because now the users have to figure out how
to buy that lost functionality back (often using Apple products to do it).

Apple's business stratey has always been to remove functionality so that
you're restricted in your choices in how you have to buy it back.

Witness Apple never putting in the portable memory slot where if you needed
an extra 128GB of memory, you have to buy it back somehow - but you can't
just pop in a cheap $25 128GB expansion card because Apple negates the
cheap choice. Only the expensive choices remain - which is Apple's
strategy.

Note how much money Apple made selling wireless chargers just by removing
the PD charger from the box - telling people it's "green" for them to have
to buy a wireless or wired) PD charger from Apple (or Amazon) instead of getting it from the box like every other company did until Apple removed
that functionality from the box.

Apple removes functionality so that you have to buy it back, preferably
from Apple (where they'll give you all the advice you need to do that).

Interestingly, since I test things as a hobby, try NOT logging into your
Apple gear while using it every day - and two years later - like clockwork >> Apple will unilaterally *brick* your iOS device - where you *must* waltz
into an Apple store to shows your government issue ID just to unlock it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/FHKHm9kD/locked01.jpg> Apple requires frequent login >> <https://i.postimg.cc/WzjsyjPm/locked02.jpg> Some things still work
<https://i.postimg.cc/MGC6yVPF/locked03.jpg> But the walled garden stops

I have not seen this one on my watch and iPhone but I'll take your word for it.

Oh, I've tested it. For years. I have plenty of iOS devices in front of me,
as I'm running the test on a new iPad as we speak. Like clockwork, after
two years of setting up an Apple ID and NOT logging in again - Apple will unilaterally brick your device until you physically go into an Apple store
and provide your government issue ID and prove it's you.

How's that for Apple's "privacy" propaganda?

Speaking of Apple's privacy propaganda, are you aware that it is impossible
(as of February 2023) to create a new Apple ID without setting up 2FV with Apple and that this 2FV is forever. Yup. Forever. Only Apple forces that.

Nobody else takes your privacy like Apple does - but notice that the (brilliant) Apple propaganda never mentions that this is a fact.

You can't even *re-use* an older phone number without providing Apple with
your identity - which proves Apple's privacy propaganda is a falsity.
*Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake*

<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17771&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17771>

Don't believe me? Look at this proof taken just last week for you:
<https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>

The Apple trolls are Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, Your Name, et al. who know nothing about Apple products.

None of them realize only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing apps.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

Microsoft doesn't do that.
Neither does Google.

Just Apple.

That's a fact.

The Apple trolls don't know any of this because they only know what Apple's >> (rather brilliant) marketing feeds them to know (i.e., Apple propaganda).

Sure.
How else can they get drones camping out in front of Apple stores to get the latest release?
It's all hype.

Understood. Not only are the herd animals camping out to get the "new"
device, but notice they can't wait to ditch their "old" device too!

That's why the Apple fools always scream out in glee how much "money they
made" on their tradein - the Apple user pays two to three times the value.

Ask the next Apple troll you run into if they're logging into the Cupertino >> mainframe servers every single day of their lives and they'll say "no".

I doubt they even know if they are.

Agreed. They have no idea because they've never set up an iPhone without an Apple ID - and I have - so I know how to do that and how brain dead it is.

Do you know you can't even set up an iPad WITHOUT the Internet?
<https://i.postimg.cc/D00hc5gZ/10genipad01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/bv0qYZrz/10genipad02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/m2cRzXkp/10genipad03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/Njqc38Vj/10genipad04.jpg>

No other common consumer OS requires the Internet just to boot it up.
Just Apple.

This is a key reason why the "OS wars" (as you call them) occur.

It's like trying to tell a Russian that Ukraine did NOT attack them.
All the Apple trolls know is the (brilliant) propaganda Apple feeds them.

These ignorant Apple trolls don't actually know anything about anything.
That's why they dispute everything about every OS - out of sheer ignorance. >>
Ask them if they're NOT logging into Apple's mainframes every day.
They don't realize their Apple device is nothing more than a dumb terminal.

Apple users are end user based to the extreme.
They want to unbox their shiny new machine and have it on the net
in 10 minutes or less and honestly Apple does offer that.

I don't mind that an Apple user is technically incompetent.
What I mind are the Apple trolls who post here are technically incompetent.

I've studied them since I've been on Usenet for decades and since they're
not like normal people. They're very strange. Almost like religious
zealots. They fit into five categories based on the way they post to
Usenet.

1. Jolly Roger <===> Lewis
2. Alan Baker <===> Joerg Lorenz
3. Haemactylus <===> Your Name <===> -hh
4. Alan Browne <===> Chris
5. nospam <===> he is in a category of his own

While they're different, all share common traits (such as being herd
animals who defend Apple products to the death, no matter what).

The main three traits they all share though are:
a. None of them owns an IQ even close to normal
b. Hence, none of them have greater than a 12th grade education
c. And as a result, they're so ignorant they know nothing about anything

*Q: Why do Apple trolls know nothing about anything?*

<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17675&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17675>

They dispute every fact about Apple out of their own ignorance.
If they don't know the fact - they immediately claim it's wrong.

Because Apple didn't feed that fact to them.
Who is that stupid?

I've never met, in the flesh, anyone in my life, as stupid as Apple trolls
are. But when people talk of "OS Wars", often its these Apple trolls.

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-hh wrote on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 08:52:13 -0500 :

What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?

Yup, still waiting.

It's not surprising the Apple trolls know nothing about anything, but even
so, since -hh hasn't acted like the rest of the ignorant trolls, note that
this has been discussed & tested for a long time on the Windows 11 ng.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=alt.comp.os.windows-10>

What's funny about that is the Apple trolls only look at Apple marketing brochures to find all their information they think they know about stuff.

For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.

Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play
Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.

Cite please!

Which needs to be reconcile against this, which says that you do:

" A range of Google applications and services is available on your
device when you purchase it, for example, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube,
and the Google Play application. To get the most out of these services,
you need a Google account." <https://helpguide.sony.net/mobile/xperia-5/v1/en/contents/why-do-i-need-a-google-account.html>

Again (and again) it's no longer shocking the Apple trolls know absolutely nothing of everything they think they know anything about such as this.

Who is that stupid as to think you need a Google account on Android?
I haven't had a Google account on Android for years and mine works fine.

All you Apple trolls live on Mount Stupid (in Dunning Kruger inexact
terms). You're so stupid you don't even realize how stupid you are.

Bear in mind I'm not stupid.
You're stupid.
I'm not.

Actually, you're incredibly stupid.

The fact is setting up a Google account on Android is NOT needed to have
full functionality (such as downloading & installing apps from the App
Store). I do it all the time and I've been doing it for many years.

Note that adding a Microsoft account isn't needed on Windows either.

It's only Apple who murders your privacy.

Plus of course the tracking integral to Google Chrome (see current
lawsuit) where it effectively doxxes its users without them consenting.

I don't have Google Chrome on my Android phone and it works just fine.
I have *plenty* of web browsers - but none of them are Google Chrome.

What's no longer shocking is you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.
And yet... you make these absurd claims... which everyone knows are wrong.

Seriously.

I've never met people this stupid in the flesh in my entire life.

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On 2024-11-09 16:36, RoadRacer wrote:

You don't take curves at constant speeds when racing, doofus.

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Alan Browne wrote on Mon, 11 Nov 2024 12:12:19 -0500 :

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Notice the consummate Apple troll Alan Browne posts nothing of value.

Since I study the Apple trolls, I find Alan Browne only less interesting
than Jolly Roger in that Alan Browne loves to post Apple white papers.

Why?

After having studied this strange Alan Browne Apple troll, I know why.
Do you?

(BTW, a catenary is the best way possible to take a turn at speed, & yet,
the so-called-racer, Alan G. Baker, has to ask what it means to racing!)
<https://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?96988-It-s-still-motor-racing-but-quot-catenary-quot>

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On 2024-11-11 10:08, Andrews wrote:

(BTW, a catenary is the best way possible to take a turn at speed, & yet,
the so-called-racer, Alan G. Baker, has to ask what it means to racing!)
<https://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?96988-It-s-still-motor-racing-but-quot-catenary-quot>

I asked only to confirm my own understanding, doofus.

Did you notice that not one person in that discussion said that they'd
ever heard of "catenary" being used in the context of the racing line.
Many, many decades of racing experience in that group, and not ONE
person said they'd ever heard it used.



'I had never heard the term before your post. Having now looked it up I
know why, it's clearly not the optimal racing line through any curve I'm
aware of!'



"Let the guy think whatever the H he wants, sounds like he will either
way — and perhaps *especially* when you prove him wrong."



"38 years in this game and never have I heard that word used by anyone.

I bet your "friend" reads a lot of books."



"Been racing since 1988 and have never heard the term CATENARY used to
describe any aspect of a turn."



"I know the word but never heard it as a line in a corner. I believe it
is the strongest shape for a suspension bridge."



"So, IMO, catenary has little relationship to the "best" line in racing."

That quote, BTW, is from a guy who has been racing for more than 50
years and only won the Sports Car Club of America's national championship...

...SEVEN TIMES.

His record at driverDB.com:

<https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/dave-weitzenhof>



"To say that EVERY turn should be one shape is as absurd as saying your cornering speed should always be constant."



"Whenever a non-racer spews their "knowledge" at me, and implies I
should know what they know, I open myself to being educated."



And my bonafides.

My current racing license (home address redacted):

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TGOu7kBmLk6XwQgLz7h1PX0FTyMrtSDG/view?usp=share_link>

And my current instructor's license (home address redacted):

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K_iC3Vtkp5gP36T4lBZFc7rAkmzQ7x9u/view?usp=share_link>

You can check out the QR codes on either of them.

:-)

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*Hemidactylus* wrote on Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:17:30 +0000 :

That's where his power exists, in pushing your buttons.

The Apple trolls like Hemidactylus own a kindergarten view of the world.
When Apple trolls *leave* this newsgroup, it will return to normal again.

Because, as always, these Apple trolls don't know anything about anything.
*Q: Why do Apple trolls know nothing about anything?* <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17675&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17675>

I've been posting to Usenet for decades, where these Apple trolls like Hemidactylus think I post for the "attention" of the ignorant Apple trolls.

Guess what Hemidactylus. I posted today to the Android newsgroup and you
Apple trolls aren't on it. I posted to Windows 10 too. And Linux.
*What are the privacy implications of 802.11az Wi-Fi Ranging?* <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=82729&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#82729>

Do you know why I didn't post here to the Apple newsgroups that same
question? The answer is Apple trolls don't know anything about anything.

But since you pulled Alan G. Baker's post out of my killfile, notice that
the catenary is one of the most fundamental curves, where the morons think curves can only be in the Y axis but there's nothing stopping curves from existing on the x axis (or any axis for that matter, even 4D spacetime).
<http://lastufka.net/lab/cars/why/raceit.htm>
"This race report features two cars named "Typical" and "Best" racing
on an Official AWANA Track with a catenary transition... The Track
Profile follows with the name of the track and its configuration...
Because a catenary transition model was selected, specifics of the
catenary transition appear below the character sketch of the track.
Marks in the track sketch represent the track surface..."

The problem with the Apple trolls is they have no education so they don't
know even the most basic of curves, which, let's face it, are important.

The important aspect of a catenary is the force exerted is uniform with
respect to length of the catenary curve - which is important to racing.

Even a moving charge in a uniform electric field travels along a catenary
such that every part of the catenary is in perfect equilibrium.

In summary, all the Apple trolls (Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et. al) know nothing about anything.

Not even the shapes everyone learned in their very first Calculus class.

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Your Name wrote on Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:12:52 +1300 :

Bimmer is the slang for BMW's automobiles;
Beemer is the slang for BMW's motorcycles.

Doesn't work. Many people call the cars "Beemers".

Just like nobody who owns a motorcycle "drives" it, anyone calling their
car a "beamer" is instantly recognizable as a poser who knows nothing.

Which was my point that Alan G. Baker claimed to own a bimmer and to teach racing and yet he doesn't know the very first thing about either topic.

All you Apple trolls are posers (Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al.) who know nothing about anything.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 12 Nov 2024 01:36:27 GMT :

Which slang to use isn't anywhere near a high priority for normal
people. And the only reason Arlen mentions it is to belittle people he dislikes..

The point of bringing up the catenary or bimmer is that you Apple trolls
don't know anything about anything - which is a trait you all possess.

Both are the most basic terms *anyone* would know who knows anything.
But not you Apple trolls.

You know nothing.

Apple trolls are squarely on top of Mount Stupid on everything, JR.

None of you Apple trolls understands even the DK seminal papers, but in
their terminology, you're all to the left of the first DK quadrile.

"The Dunning-Kruger effect is strongest when we're in the
first stage, unconscious incompetence. If we don't know what
we don't know, the Dunning-Kruger effect says, then we're
actually more likely to feel confident than others at higher
stages of competence."

You Apple trolls don't know the first thing about anything.

Not cars. Not curves. Not immunology. Not even headers for God's sake
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/EiNl6hyMBDo/>

Who on earth is _that_ stupid? Nobody.

Except you Apple trolls.

All the Apple trolls (Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et. al) know nothing about anything.

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On 2024-11-11 18:30, Andrews wrote:

Your Name wrote on Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:12:52 +1300 :

Bimmer is the slang for BMW's automobiles;
Beemer is the slang for BMW's motorcycles.

Doesn't work. Many people call the cars "Beemers".

Just like nobody who owns a motorcycle "drives" it, anyone calling their
car a "beamer" is instantly recognizable as a poser who knows nothing.

Which was my point that Alan G. Baker claimed to own a bimmer and to teach racing and yet he doesn't know the very first thing about either topic.

I only "claim" it, because:

I do--in fact--own a 2012 BMW 135i,

and I do--in fact--teach road racing as well as race a 1998 Van Diemen
RF98-2 Formula F Honda.

🙂

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On 2024-11-11 18:19, Andrews wrote:

*Hemidactylus* wrote on Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:17:30 +0000 :

That's where his power exists, in pushing your buttons.

The Apple trolls like Hemidactylus own a kindergarten view of the world.
When Apple trolls *leave* this newsgroup, it will return to normal again.

Is there some reason you have to post the same thing several times, doofus?

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On 2024-11-11 18:18, Andrews wrote:

But since you pulled Alan G. Baker's post out of my killfile, notice that
the catenary is one of the most fundamental curves, where the morons think curves can only be in the Y axis but there's nothing stopping curves from existing on the x axis (or any axis for that matter, even 4D spacetime).
<http://lastufka.net/lab/cars/why/raceit.htm>
"This race report features two cars named "Typical" and "Best" racing
on an Official AWANA Track with a catenary transition... The Track
Profile follows with the name of the track and its configuration...
Because a catenary transition model was selected, specifics of the
catenary transition appear below the character sketch of the track.
Marks in the track sketch represent the track surface..."

The problem with the Apple trolls is they have no education so they don't know even the most basic of curves, which, let's face it, are important.

The important aspect of a catenary is the force exerted is uniform with respect to length of the catenary curve - which is important to racing.

This is HILARIOUS folks!

After what must have been HOURS of scouring the web, Arlen has finally
found a page that mentions "catenary" in a "racing" context...

...but it's about Pinewood gravity cars!

'My hope is that this serious simulation program will help you use,
experiment with and get a better feel for the physics of the race
detailed in the Grand Prix Science Manual and the reasons behind the suggestions in How To Make A Fast Pinewood Car. But more than just
changing design parameters to see the effect in virtual races, Race It!
is an attempt to give you the ability to tune YOUR Grand Prix car design concepts on your organization's track before you build!'

Pinewood cars are homebuilt model cars designed to race down ramp onto a straight section of track.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinewood_derby>

Arlen is using a single reference to using a catenary as the curve to transition a wooden ramp to horizontal track...

...for cars made by Boy Scouts!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

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Tom Elam wrote on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:59:56 -0500 :

No other common OS system vendor requires you to give up your privacy
just to get apps off the app store so that the device can do stuff.

Just Apple.

That's a fact.

That is not true. Google Services also requires a valid mobile number
for 2FA.

Wrong.

I have plenty of Google accounts and not one of them requires 2FA.
Apple is the only OS vendor who murders privacy with 2FA being required.

Notice there's a reason I say that the Apple trolls know nothing about
anything since you don't know this fact - but you "think" you know it.

Google only required 2FA for about a month or two a couple of years ago and then stopped that requirement because of the uproar by people who hated it.
*There are now 3rd-party MUAs to recover from Google May 30th 2022 unilateral loss of privacy*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/prNMni71S3k/m/Y3yrV5EFBQAJ>

By August of 2022, Google stopped requiring 2FA/2FV/MFV for their accounts. That's a fact.

What's interesting is the Apple trolls are all on Mount Stupid where they
think they know facts - but in reality - they know nothing about anything.

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On 2024-11-13 09:47, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-11-11 22:13, RoadRacer wrote:

Is there some reason you have to post the same thing several times,
doofus?

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You realize that just ensures another reply from the troll you claim you
don't want fed...

...right?

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On 2024-11-11 22:13, RoadRacer wrote:

Is there some reason you have to post the same thing several times, doofus?

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Tom Elam wrote on Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:17:37 -0500 :

And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new iPhone >> lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test.

The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14 version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.

Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.

It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.

You can't even look up what both Apple & the EU published - and - what
we've talked about already on in-depth threads on this very newsgroup!

Notwithstanding the fact that none of you Apple trolls could possibly have earned even a college degree because you can't find what *everyone* knows.

Apple *published* the figures for Christ's sake. And the EU rules are also *published* so again you Apple trolls prove to be ignorant of everything.

To make it ever more obvious that you Apple trolls ignorantly deny
everything about Apple you don't like (which is pretty much everything)...

We even had entire threads on this very topic - which you trolls forgot!

Even if I gave you Apple trolls the links for the umpteenth time, you Apple trolls have shown you never click on the cites. And if I force you to click
on the cites, you Apple trolls never can understand what the cites says.

Suffice to say everyone on the planet except you Apple trolls is well aware
of the EU rules on the lifetime of batteries which absolutely no Apple
iPhone meets except the iPhone 15 and up (because Apple had to meet them!).

Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows
Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).

Apple's own published words show clearly no iPhone below the iPhone 15
meets the EU's requirements for battery life - and yet - *plenty* of
Android phones exceed the EU's minimum battery life by more than double!

It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.

The fact is the iPhone battery capacity is crap. And it always was crap.
Apple gives you loyal morons the shittiest components they can possibly do.

And you *love* Apple for that. You'll stand in long lines outside the Apple store because you can't wait to get *rid* of your old iPhone in tradein!

One good reason for that is Apple put crappy batteries in all iPhones.
That's just a fact. The capacity is crap compared to that of most Androids.

And capacity is the single most important determinant of battery longevity. Which is why the EU rules forbid iPhones older than the 15 from being sold.

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-hh wrote on Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:55:12 -0500 :

Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's >> minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows
Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).

And these EU regulators had independent & objective criteria for setting
this standard, which was done double-blind to how products performed ...

...right?

The EU specified battery lifetime rules which applied equally to Android
and to Apple phones - where all known Android phones surpassed those
minimum lifetime rules - and yet - the iPhone 15 failed initially - but
Apple literally changed their test standard - and then it passed.

Fancy that.

Note we discussed this ad infinitum on this very newsgroup, so I'm not
telling you anything which isn't already in this newsgroup's archives.

Only *after* Apple tweaked the testing procedure did the iPhone 15 pass. Nonetheless, it passed. But barely.

Meanwhile, almost all Androids (if not all Samsung/Google phones, which are
the vast majority) passed with flying colors - some exceeding TWICE the lifetime (while Apple iPhones, even the latest, barely meet the standard).

The reason is trivially simple to comprehend.
Apple puts crappy batteries (in terms of capacity) in iPhones.

That's just a fact.
The only people disputing that fact are the ignorant Apple trolls.

And yet - they are completely ignorant of *everything* about Apple.
They don't even know about the EU standards & Apple's test proc changes.

*Who is /that/ stupid?*

As I've had to explain to the actual adults on this child-like Apple
newsgroup, you have to treat these Apple trolls like kindergartners.

They can't find links to Usenet threads that they themselves were on.
Jesus Christ - *who is _that_ stupid?*

We already discussed this many times. With links to Apple's own public
reports saying only the iPhone 15 (and up) meets these new EU standards.

Not only do none of the Apple trolls (Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al.) know anything about Apple, but
they don't know anything about anything. Sheeesh. Who is *that* stupid?

None could possibly have earned even a college BA with their low IQs.
They can't look up publicly *published* information for Christs sake.

They simply deny everything they don't know - which - is everything!

Like mentally handicapped IQ 40 people, you can spoon feed the Apple trolls entire threads containing many references to the reports - and they can't
click on the links (they'll say a reference is just a link - nothing more).

*Who is _that_ stupid?*

You can point them to many threads they already participated on, replete
with links published by Apple & the EU and the news articles - and still - these ignorant low IQ Apple trolls will claim it's just a Usenet thread.

Again and again, you have to ask: *Who is that incredibly stupid?*
The Apple trolls don't even remember we discussed this many times!

Each of these threads has plenty of links to the public references.
And yet - the Apple trolls are completely ignorant of it - and everything.

Mon, 15 Jul 2024
*EU mandating OEMs certify their batteries perform for 800 cycles or face consequences*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15882&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15882>

Fri, 12 Jul 2024
*Laughably puny cheap iPhone batteries rumored to get slightly better with iPhone 16 due to EU regulations*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15838&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15838>

Sun, 28 Jul 2024
*If you own an iPhone X or older - you should throw it over the next bridge*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16350&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16350>

Mon, 15 Jul 2024
*Why are ignorant low-IQ uneducated zealots always the last to know everything?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15881&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15881>

Fri, 15 Nov 2024
*iFixit iPhone 16 Pro teardown*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17764&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17764>

Note: The ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple trolls always claim a
bibliography doesn't contain any useful data (to them), so I'm already
warning the adults they'll say "those are just Usenet threads" even though those threads not only provide plenty of reference cites, but the Apple
trolls who claim to know nothing about these facts are on those threads.

Who is that stupid?

In my whole life, I've never met, in the flesh, people that stupid as Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al.

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On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:47:25 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-11-11 22:13, RoadRacer wrote:

Is there some reason you have to post the same thing several times,
doofus?

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Or as those young people say nowadays:
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Your Name wrote on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 12:50:47 +1300 :

I think it's funny when the Apple trolls assume I hate Apple or that I
don't own plenty of Apple products since they assume anyone who knows
what's s anything about Apple must not own any Apple products. They're strange.

What's strange is you hate Apple and keep buying their products!

Even if he wasn't already a well-known moronic troll, anyone who thinks
$250 is a "stocking stuffer" is obviously an insane idiot anyway.

It's well known on this newsgroup for years that I've given out electronics
as stocking stuffers, and that I own plenty of Apple products myself.

That's why I find it intriguing that you Apple trolls constantly claim that
I know so much about Apple products because you think I don't own them.

Only Apple trolls are *that* stupid.

But I understand why you Apple trolls say that.

It's because it's you Apple trolls who hate what Apple is - not me.

So to make the truth about Apple go away, you low IQ uneducated Apple
trolls come up with the first childish excuse you can think of.

Which is that you state I can't possibly own Apple products simply because
I know so much more about them than any of you Apple trolls who own them.

But the fact simply is you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.

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Tom Elam wrote on Fri, 29 Nov 2024 17:46:06 -0500 :

Andrew, just today, Google required me to respond to a text sent to my
iPhone to 2FA validate a Google account request.

Google does *not* require 2FA. It only required it for about 2 months a
couple of years ago, and after the brouhaha, Google rescinded that decree.

Yet, you Apple trolls live in a fantasy world where 2FA is required.
Who is *that* stupid?

Nobody, right?
Except you Apple trolls.

As I've stated many times - and which you just proved - you Apple trolls
know nothing about anything - least of all about Apple or Google OS's.

The fact is well known that Google does NOT require any account on Android
for Android to work - so there's no MFV/2FA/2FV when there is no account.

It's also well known even if you do have a Google Account (I have plenty,
for example), you *never* need to use 2FA to access that account.

Given those facts, what's always the case with you Apple trolls is
A: You "think" you know something about this topic;
B: And yet, you know nothing at all about it.

None of you Apple trolls knows anything about Google or Apple systems.

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