• Re: Origins Of Interrupts

    From Terje Mathisen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 4 17:36:30 2025
    MitchAlsup1 wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 21:15:41 +0000, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb:

    13) check level and add 116 octane fuel as needed

    116 octane fuel?  Did you find any lead lining the exhausts?

    16.5:1 compression
    SMC heads and block
    at least 6 oil lines external to the block+heads
    750 HP 600 lb×ft
    9,300 Red Line
    Hewland 5 speed transmission
    and it weighted only 1600 pounds

    The fuel mas mainly Toluene, benzene, and Acetone, with some other
    bad stuff in there.

    "bad stuff"?

    As one of the people who are allergic to natrium benzoate, I have a very healthy respect for the reactive qualities of a carbon hex ring with alternating single and double bounds.


    Unlike Sunoco 260 it smelled horrid going in, but smelled great coming
    out of the tail pipes.

    The only good benzene is a fully oxidized version?

    Terje

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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to Terje Mathisen on Sat Jan 4 17:47:09 2025
    Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> schrieb:
    MitchAlsup1 wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 21:15:41 +0000, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb:

    13) check level and add 116 octane fuel as needed

    116 octane fuel?  Did you find any lead lining the exhausts?

    16.5:1 compression
    SMC heads and block
    at least 6 oil lines external to the block+heads
    750 HP 600 lb×ft
    9,300 Red Line
    Hewland 5 speed transmission
    and it weighted only 1600 pounds

    The fuel mas mainly Toluene, benzene, and Acetone, with some other
    bad stuff in there.

    "bad stuff"?

    Tetraethyl lead, I assume... which I was alluding to asking about
    lead lining the exhausts.

    As one of the people who are allergic to natrium benzoate, I have a very healthy respect for the reactive qualities of a carbon hex ring with alternating single and double bounds.

    Hmm... but that's the beonzoate, not benzene itself (which
    is carcinogenic, hazard statement H350). But the Benzene ring
    (which does not really contain alternate single and double bonds,
    those electrons are smeared together) is certainly one of the most
    versatile chemical moeities; it also forms a reasonable part of
    us all, for examle in the form of Tyrosine, an amino acid which
    is one of the 20 standard amino acids forming all proteins.

    Unlike Sunoco 260 it smelled horrid going in, but smelled great coming
    out of the tail pipes.

    The only good benzene is a fully oxidized version?

    It's one of the most important raw materials for the chemical
    industry. Polyethylene terephtalate, from which plastic bottles
    and clothing is made of (via p-Xylene -> terephtalic acid),
    Polycarbonate (vie Phenol), the upholstery of the chair you're
    likely to be sitting on (via Toluene -> Dinitrotoluene -> ... TDI -> Polyurethane), ...

    Trying to find the relevance to computer architecture... and
    not really succeeding :-)

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  • From MitchAlsup1@21:1/5 to Thomas Koenig on Sat Jan 4 20:36:34 2025
    On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 17:47:09 +0000, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Trying to find the relevance to computer architecture... and
    not really succeeding :-)

    Sometimes even we mundane computer architects run into things that are
    really FUN. Not very often in computer architecture, more often
    elsewhere.

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  • From Michael S@21:1/5 to Terje Mathisen on Sat Jan 4 23:51:03 2025
    On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 17:36:30 +0100
    Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> wrote:

    MitchAlsup1 wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 21:15:41 +0000, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb:

    13) check level and add 116 octane fuel as needed

    116 octane fuel?  Did you find any lead lining the exhausts?

    16.5:1 compression
    SMC heads and block
    at least 6 oil lines external to the block+heads
    750 HP 600 lb×ft
    9,300 Red Line
    Hewland 5 speed transmission
    and it weighted only 1600 pounds

    The fuel mas mainly Toluene, benzene, and Acetone, with some other
    bad stuff in there.

    "bad stuff"?

    As one of the people who are allergic to natrium benzoate, I have a
    very healthy respect for the reactive qualities of a carbon hex ring
    with alternating single and double bounds.


    Unlike Sunoco 260 it smelled horrid going in, but smelled great
    coming out of the tail pipes.

    The only good benzene is a fully oxidized version?

    Terje


    There should be a reason why derivatives of benzen used to be called
    'aromatic compaunds' in chemestry books.

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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to Michael S on Sun Jan 5 09:29:13 2025
    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> schrieb:

    There should be a reason why derivatives of benzen used to be called 'aromatic compaunds' in chemestry books.

    Used to be called?

    Last time I looked, that was still the case.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 3 02:49:49 2025
    There is an Asianometry video which says that the first computer to have interrupts was the Univac 1103.

    Does this sound right? What’s the earliest architecture anybody knows of
    that had support for interrupts?

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 3 03:25:32 2025
    According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:
    There is an Asianometry video which says that the first computer to have >interrupts was the Univac 1103.

    Does this sound right? What’s the earliest architecture anybody knows of >that had support for interrupts?

    This informative web page repeats that claim but then says he
    thinks the Univac I had an overflow trap several years earlier:

    https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/interrupts.html

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to John Levine on Fri Jan 3 03:49:28 2025
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 03:25:32 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:

    There is an Asianometry video which says that the first computer to
    have interrupts was the Univac 1103.

    Does this sound right? What’s the earliest architecture anybody knows
    of that had support for interrupts?

    This informative web page repeats that claim but then says he thinks the Univac I had an overflow trap several years earlier:

    https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/interrupts.html

    OK, but an overflow trap is a synchronous notification from the CPU to do
    with the current instruction.

    To be clear, I was specifically thinking of asynchronous notifications to
    do with external conditions (typically I/O).

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 3 17:06:17 2025
    According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:
    This informative web page repeats that claim but then says he thinks the
    Univac I had an overflow trap several years earlier:

    https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/interrupts.html

    OK, but an overflow trap is a synchronous notification from the CPU to do >with the current instruction.

    To be clear, I was specifically thinking of asynchronous notifications to
    do with external conditions (typically I/O).

    Hmmn. Is there some reason you were unable to read that web page? If you
    had, you'd know the answer.


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  • From EricP@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Jan 3 12:35:15 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 03:25:32 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:
    There is an Asianometry video which says that the first computer to
    have interrupts was the Univac 1103.

    Does this sound right? What’s the earliest architecture anybody knows
    of that had support for interrupts?
    This informative web page repeats that claim but then says he thinks the
    Univac I had an overflow trap several years earlier:

    https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/interrupts.html

    OK, but an overflow trap is a synchronous notification from the CPU to do with the current instruction.

    To be clear, I was specifically thinking of asynchronous notifications to
    do with external conditions (typically I/O).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt#History

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to John Levine on Fri Jan 3 18:08:18 2025
    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
    According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:
    This informative web page repeats that claim but then says he thinks the >>> Univac I had an overflow trap several years earlier:

    https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/interrupts.html

    OK, but an overflow trap is a synchronous notification from the CPU to do >>with the current instruction.

    To be clear, I was specifically thinking of asynchronous notifications to >>do with external conditions (typically I/O).

    Hmmn. Is there some reason you were unable to read that web page? If you >had, you'd know the answer.

    If he read the web page, he wouldn't need to post..

    This topic prompted me to check the Electrodata Datatron (1954)
    programming and coding manual. No interrupts, but the boot
    sequence was interesting:

    1) Press the BLOWERS ON button.
    2) Press the FILAMENT ON button.
    3) Turn the filament transformer handwheel slowly counter-
    clockwise until the meter reads 230 volts. This should take
    about 30 seconds.
    4) Press the FILAMENT FAIL RESET button
    5) Press the DRUM ON button and wait five minutes for tube
    temperatures to stabilize.
    6) Press the MOTOR GENERATOR ON button. An alarm will sound
    to remind the operator the check the voltmeters.
    7) Press the DC FAIL RESET button to turn off the alarm.
    8) Press the DC ON button.

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 3 19:08:22 2025
    According to Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net>:
    This topic prompted me to check the Electrodata Datatron (1954)
    programming and coding manual. No interrupts, but the boot
    sequence was interesting:

    1) Press the BLOWERS ON button.
    2) Press the FILAMENT ON button.
    3) Turn the filament transformer handwheel slowly counter-
    clockwise until the meter reads 230 volts. This should take
    about 30 seconds.
    4) Press the FILAMENT FAIL RESET button
    5) Press the DRUM ON button and wait five minutes for tube
    temperatures to stabilize.
    6) Press the MOTOR GENERATOR ON button. An alarm will sound
    to remind the operator the check the voltmeters.
    7) Press the DC FAIL RESET button to turn off the alarm.
    8) Press the DC ON button.

    I belonged to a computer club in the late 1960s that met in a barn
    full of old computer stuff that belonged to a guy who worked for
    Western Electric. That included an entire Datatron 205. It was
    wired up but we never dared turn it on both due to fire danger
    and the stupendous amount of power it would have used.

    Based on what I saw, that startup procedure sounds right.



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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to John Levine on Fri Jan 3 20:12:28 2025
    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
    According to Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net>:
    This topic prompted me to check the Electrodata Datatron (1954)
    programming and coding manual. No interrupts, but the boot
    sequence was interesting:

    1) Press the BLOWERS ON button.
    2) Press the FILAMENT ON button.
    3) Turn the filament transformer handwheel slowly counter-
    clockwise until the meter reads 230 volts. This should take
    about 30 seconds.
    4) Press the FILAMENT FAIL RESET button
    5) Press the DRUM ON button and wait five minutes for tube
    temperatures to stabilize.
    6) Press the MOTOR GENERATOR ON button. An alarm will sound
    to remind the operator the check the voltmeters.
    7) Press the DC FAIL RESET button to turn off the alarm.
    8) Press the DC ON button.

    I belonged to a computer club in the late 1960s that met in a barn
    full of old computer stuff that belonged to a guy who worked for
    Western Electric. That included an entire Datatron 205. It was
    wired up but we never dared turn it on both due to fire danger
    and the stupendous amount of power it would have used.

    Based on what I saw, that startup procedure sounds right.

    Unfortunately, by the time I started at the Pasadena plant
    (Burroughs, nee Electrodata), all that old gear had been
    disposed of.

    The manual does have some quality photographs of the system.

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  • From MitchAlsup1@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Jan 3 20:35:19 2025
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:08:18 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:



    If he read the web page, he wouldn't need to post..

    This topic prompted me to check the Electrodata Datatron (1954)
    programming and coding manual. No interrupts, but the boot
    sequence was interesting:

    1) Press the BLOWERS ON button.
    2) Press the FILAMENT ON button.
    3) Turn the filament transformer handwheel slowly counter-
    clockwise until the meter reads 230 volts. This should take
    about 30 seconds.
    4) Press the FILAMENT FAIL RESET button
    5) Press the DRUM ON button and wait five minutes for tube
    temperatures to stabilize.
    6) Press the MOTOR GENERATOR ON button. An alarm will sound
    to remind the operator the check the voltmeters.
    7) Press the DC FAIL RESET button to turn off the alarm.
    8) Press the DC ON button.

    This reminds me of the startup procedure for our Lola T70 race
    car, a 750 HP 350 CID SBC::

    1) 30 minutes before starting the car, stick the oil heater into
    ..dry sump and plug in.
    2) 5 minutes before starting the car, attack the drill to the
    ..mechanical oil pump, and run for 2 minutes to pressurize
    ..the engine oil passages, and to warm the block.
    3) remove spark plugs
    4) remove fuse for electrical fuel pump
    5) spin the engine until the engine oil pump gets up to pressure.
    6) install spark plugs, remove oil heater
    7) install fuel pump fuse
    8) sprit ether into all 8 velocity stacks
    9) spin engine
    10) if it does not start after 3 seconds goto 8
    11) warm engine at 2,000 RPMs for 3 minutes
    12) allow to idle at 1,500 RPMs.
    13) check level and add 116 octane fuel as needed

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  • From Thomas Koenig@21:1/5 to mitchalsup@aol.com on Fri Jan 3 21:15:41 2025
    MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb:

    13) check level and add 116 octane fuel as needed

    116 octane fuel? Did you find any lead lining the exhausts?

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  • From MitchAlsup1@21:1/5 to Thomas Koenig on Fri Jan 3 23:03:28 2025
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 21:15:41 +0000, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb:

    13) check level and add 116 octane fuel as needed

    116 octane fuel? Did you find any lead lining the exhausts?

    16.5:1 compression
    SMC heads and block
    at least 6 oil lines external to the block+heads
    750 HP 600 lb×ft
    9,300 Red Line
    Hewland 5 speed transmission
    and it weighted only 1600 pounds

    The fuel mas mainly Toluene, benzene, and Acetone, with some other
    bad stuff in there.

    Unlike Sunoco 260 it smelled horrid going in, but smelled great coming
    out of the tail pipes.

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