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On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 20:21:26 +0100, Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
I grew up with microcomputers that had 32K of RAM and tape players.
In some ways I agree, in other ways I disgree.
You sound like a young'n.
I suppose you'll now tell us about the joys of using punched cards.
I don't envy you the joys of sorting a pile of punched cards that's
been dropped on the floor ...
I suppose you'll now tell us about the joys of using punched cards.That is why you put a sequence number in col 73-80. A few passes on the
I don't envy you the joys of sorting a pile of punched cards that's
been dropped on the floor ...
On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 11:17 +0000, Joe wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 20:21:26 +0100, Single Stage to Orbit
<alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
I grew up with microcomputers that had 32K of RAM and tape players.
In some ways I agree, in other ways I disgree.
You sound like a young'n.
I suppose you'll now tell us about the joys of using punched cards.
I don't envy you the joys of sorting a pile of punched cards that's
been dropped on the floor ...
On 8/14/24 07:27, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
I suppose you'll now tell us about the joys of using punched cards.
I don't envy you the joys of sorting a pile of punched cards that's
been dropped on the floor ...
That is why you put a sequence number in col 73-80. A few passes on the sorter and no problem.
Computers used to boot a lot faster in those days. And had less bugs.
On 14/08/2024 17:55, john larkin wrote:
<snip>
Computers used to boot a lot faster in those days. And had less bugs.
Not sure about that - in the late 80's our Vax8530 took about 30 mins
for a reboot.
My X86 VMS instance in a VM on modest hardware, takes less than a minute
to reboot
On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 11:17 +0000, Joe wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 20:21:26 +0100, Single Stage to Orbit
<alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
I grew up with microcomputers that had 32K of RAM and tape players.
In some ways I agree, in other ways I disgree.
You sound like a young'n.
I suppose you'll now tell us about the joys of using punched cards.
I don't envy you the joys of sorting a pile of punched cards that's
been dropped on the floor ...
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:40:25 +0100, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk>The longest part was doing the startup beep.
Not sure about that - in the late 80's our Vax8530 took about 30 mins
for a reboot.
My X86 VMS instance in a VM on modest hardware, takes less than a minute
to reboot
MS-DOS was a lot faster, on a 2 MHz 8088.
The BBC Micro (2MHz 6502) was even faster booting from it's OS ROM.
My X86 VMS instance in a VM on modest hardware, takes less than a
minute to reboot
MS-DOS was a lot faster, on a 2 MHz 8088.
On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 11:17 +0000, Joe wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 20:21:26 +0100, Single Stage to Orbit
<alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
I grew up with microcomputers that had 32K of RAM and tape players.
In some ways I agree, in other ways I disgree.
You sound like a young'n.
I suppose you'll now tell us about the joys of using punched cards.
I don't envy you the joys of sorting a pile of punched cards that's
been dropped on the floor ...
I like the Pi for more reasons than the cost. The chips have long-term availability guarentees, the documentation is excellent, and there are zillions of kids out there who are familiar with the Pi culture.
Am 13.08.24 um 17:55 schrieb John Larkin:
I like the Pi for more reasons than the cost. The chips have long-term
availability guarentees, the documentation is excellent, and there are
zillions of kids out there who are familiar with the Pi culture.
I could not find a CPU chip manual in an hour for my new 8GB RP5
that allowed me to use SPI, so I shelved it and went with the old
BBB and its PRU. So far about documentation excellence.
Gerhard
On 14/08/2024 20:07, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:40:25 +0100, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk>The longest part was doing the startup beep.
Not sure about that - in the late 80's our Vax8530 took about 30 mins
for a reboot.
My X86 VMS instance in a VM on modest hardware, takes less than a minute >>> to reboot
MS-DOS was a lot faster, on a 2 MHz 8088.
The BBC Micro (2MHz 6502) was even faster booting from it's OS ROM.
In article <v9j2na$j4rf$1@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote: >>On 14/08/2024 20:07, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:40:25 +0100, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk>The longest part was doing the startup beep.
Not sure about that - in the late 80's our Vax8530 took about 30 mins
for a reboot.
My X86 VMS instance in a VM on modest hardware, takes less than a minute >>>> to reboot
MS-DOS was a lot faster, on a 2 MHz 8088.
The BBC Micro (2MHz 6502) was even faster booting from it's OS ROM.
Boot times are always a somewhat interesting subjest - Yes, the Beeb
and Apple II spend more time doing the Beep at startup than anything
else. the Beeb had an advantage over the Apple II in that the filing
system was in ROM where on the Apple II it had to boot from a small PROM
on the disk controller card then load up DOS which took extra seconds...
In article <v9l0l4$vl0t$1@dont-email.me>,
Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote:
In article <v9j2na$j4rf$1@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote: >>On 14/08/2024 20:07, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:40:25 +0100, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> >>>> Not sure about that - in the late 80's our Vax8530 took about 30 mins >>>> for a reboot.The longest part was doing the startup beep.
My X86 VMS instance in a VM on modest hardware, takes less than a minute >>>> to reboot
MS-DOS was a lot faster, on a 2 MHz 8088.
The BBC Micro (2MHz 6502) was even faster booting from it's OS ROM.
Boot times are always a somewhat interesting subjest - Yes, the Beeb
and Apple II spend more time doing the Beep at startup than anything
else. the Beeb had an advantage over the Apple II in that the filing
system was in ROM where on the Apple II it had to boot from a small PROM
on the disk controller card then load up DOS which took extra seconds...
If you didn't care about not being in DOS, you could switch it on, hit Ctrl-Reset, and get dropped into a BASIC prompt right away. If a disk controller wasn't installed at all (it was about a year from the
introduction of the Apple II to the introduction of the Disk II floppy drive), it'd boot straight to BASIC.
After I added a hard drive to my IIe, the longest delay in starting the computer was waiting for the drive to spin up. :)
On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 22:32:38 +0100, Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
Most interestingly enough, you can actually boot up with one RISCV core
and one ARM core, two RISCV cores or both ARM cores. Mixed processor
cores that'll be fun to see what we can do with that.
In real life, done is better than fun.
I decided to stop with newer Raspberry Pis after this 8 GB Pi4 I am using to post this.
A 35 dollar HD TV satellite box is a faster better media player,
Pis take ever more power..
Is not Pi5 a downgraded Pi4?
In the old days I had to buy a decoder key from Raspberry to even look
at mpeg!
On 22/08/2024 07:37, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I decided to stop with newer Raspberry Pis after this 8 GB Pi4 I am using to post this.
A 35 dollar HD TV satellite box is a faster better media player,
Try a media optimised OS such as Kodi, rather than a general purpose
distro if you want to use a Pi as a media player.
Pis take ever more power..
Don't confuse the availability of a larger power supply with the Pi 5
taking more power - it's not much different to the Pi 4. However, as you >*could* attach 4 USB devices and a PCIe device, the PSU is rated to cope
with the maximum current all of those devices could use simultanously.
If you won't be doing that, you can use the Pi 4 PSU.
Is not Pi5 a downgraded Pi4?
No, it's a new SOC which is about 3x faster than a Pi 4, and can use
NVME SSDs and other PCIe devices.
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:19:06 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
In the old days I had to buy a decoder key from Raspberry to even look
at mpeg!
Presumably that was only to activate the decoder hardware. Otherwise
FFmpeg, VLC etc could play it just fine, just with a bit more CPU usage.
On 22/08/2024 07:37, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Pis take ever more power..
Don't confuse the availability of a larger power supply with the Pi 5
taking more power - it's not much different to the Pi 4. However, as you *could* attach 4 USB devices and a PCIe device, the PSU is rated to cope
with the maximum current all of those devices could use simultanously.
If you won't be doing that, you can use the Pi 4 PSU.
I think that as a desktop machine Pi 4s and 5s power consumption is approaching that of a good intel chipset *for equivalent performance*.
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:19:06 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
In the old days I had to buy a decoder key from Raspberry to even look
at mpeg!
Presumably that was only to activate the decoder hardware. Otherwise
FFmpeg, VLC etc could play it just fine, just with a bit more CPU usage.
On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 11:17 +0000, Joe wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 20:21:26 +0100, Single Stage to Orbit
<alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
I grew up with microcomputers that had 32K of RAM and tape players.
In some ways I agree, in other ways I disgree.
You sound like a young'n.
I suppose you'll now tell us about the joys of using punched cards.
I don't envy you the joys of sorting a pile of punched cards that's
been dropped on the floor ...
On 13 Aug 2024 14:01:07 +0100 (BST)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
It's easy to write a core
I wish I could take that statement back to say 1975.
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
It’s a slightly odd device, isn’t it?
If you wanted to explore RISC-V then there’s more flexible options.
Maybe the RISC-V cores are to "send a message" to ARM?
Arm are an investor in RPi, so not sure why they would give them a hard
time over licensing.
TOWARDS THE
PAPERLESS
OFFICE
I soon gave up on punching sequence numbers in source decks.
Our programs were subject to frequent modifications that required moving large blocks of code around, which meant that the sequence numbers
became meaningless.
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:57:51 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
TOWARDS THE
PAPERLESS
OFFICE
People loved to laugh at that over many, many years. I’m not sure how
much paper we’re producing nowadays compared to, say, 30 years ago, but
What happened to the idea of “silicon compilers”? As I recall, they would automate the process of turning a high-level schematic into a low-level transistor network.
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:19:06 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
In the old days I had to buy a decoder key from Raspberry to even look
at mpeg!
Presumably that was only to activate the decoder hardware. Otherwise
FFmpeg, VLC etc could play it just fine, just with a bit more CPU usage.
On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:36:20 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I think that as a desktop machine Pi 4s and 5s power consumption is
approaching that of a good intel chipset *for equivalent performance*.
The rise of ARM caused Intel and AMD to pay a *lot* more attention
to power consumption which has indeed resulted in the gap closing
especially at desktop levels of performance.
Too much bloat these days and Linux with all the rathead shit is
becoming a nuisance.
We went to the moon in the sixties of last century and came back with computing power less than a Raspberry.
Now astronuts get stuck on the ISS with billions of dollars and
sup[p]er computers to do the work.
We went to the moon in the sixties of last century and came back
with computing power less than a Raspberry.
Now astronuts get stuck on the ISS with billions of dollars and sup[p]er computers to do the work.
Boeing are busy acquiring a reputation of careless engineering.