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Hello all,
Some time ago a friend thought I would like to have his old Samsung Android >J5(6) phone.
The problem is that he didn't remove his credentials from the phone, and
now, after having booted, it effectivily refuses to function anymore - it >looks like it went into a 1980's speed mode, being super-slow and not really >responding to taps or physical buttons.
It does show a message about an attempted un-autorised reset (my attempt to >clean it up), wanting me to verify my friends identity. The problem is that >my friend has no idea anymore what that was.
Question : is there still a possibility to get the phone back into a >functioning state, or has it become landfill material ?
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Question : is there still a possibility to get the phone back into a functioning state, or has it become landfill material ?
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ? Also, how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new
owner ?
Anyway, as far as the reset goes, a brief search shows Google's
find my device could work but might get complicated too.
Recovery mode seems like the more likely option since you have
physical access.
Jorg,
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ?
Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new
owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything about his erstwhile, years old identity.
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ?
Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new
owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
and then reset the phone in the system settings to the delivery state.
There
are dedicated functions for this.
Jorg,
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ?
Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new
owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything about his erstwhile, years old identity.
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ?
Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new >>>> owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything
about
his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets internet.
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything
about
his erstwhile, years old identity.
https://www.devicesfaq.com/en/delete-google-account/samsung-galaxy-j5
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets internet.
I cannot even get that far. The OS doesn't allow me further than the
"choose a WiFi network" screen, so it can "verify my identity".
... something that we won't be able to complete, because of what you quoted in the above.(no knowledge about the phone or whats on it anymore)
Jorg,
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything
about
his erstwhile, years old identity.
https://www.devicesfaq.com/en/delete-google-account/samsung-galaxy-j5
I cannot even get that far. The OS doesn't allow me further than the
"choose a WiFi network" screen, so it can "verify my identity".
... something that we won't be able to complete, because of what you quoted in the above.(no knowledge about the phone or whats on it anymore)
Your friend has to help you because there is no way around a login
to remove the account and the device.
Jorg,
Your friend has to help you because there is no way around a login
to remove the account and the device.
Its not a login, but a security measure (to twart thieves).
As for "no way around", I just checked a phone-repair store here, and they told me they could do it for E45,- . If all else fails ... I have to think about it. As you mentioned it, the phone is old.
R.Wieser wrote:
I cannot even get that far. The OS doesn't allow me further than the
"choose a WiFi network" screen, so it can "verify my identity".
... something that we won't be able to complete, because of what you quoted >> in the above.(no knowledge about the phone or whats on it anymore)
I inherited my Dad's Samsung phone (not as old as your J5) and knew
nothing of the credentials same as you, I wanted to wipe it and pass it
on to a nephew.
Everything was pointing to it not being possible, but some combination
of holding keys while standing on your head while powering it on did
allow a factory reset and then setting up from scratch ... google for
the exact model number not just J5, maybe be microscopic laser etching,
or on a sticker inside the battery hatch if it's that old?
On 14.05.25 13:26, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything
about
his erstwhile, years old identity.
https://www.devicesfaq.com/en/delete-google-account/samsung-galaxy-j5
I cannot even get that far. The OS doesn't allow me further than the "choose a WiFi network" screen, so it can "verify my identity".
... something that we won't be able to complete, because of what you quoted in the above.(no knowledge about the phone or whats on it anymore)
Your friend has to help you because there is no way around a login to
remove the account and the device. The device is - as Carlos explained -
tied to the identitiy of your friend. This helps to avoid theft of
mobile devices.
Recovery mode seems like the more likely option since you have
physical access.
Recovery of what please ?
And how would I do that (see the above) ?
Also, how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as
its new owner ?
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ?
Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new >>> owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything about his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets internet.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ? >>>>> Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new >>>>> owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything about >>> his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets
internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still
linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ?
Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new >> >>> owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything about >> > his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets
internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still
linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
(See: Home -> Devices -> select device (*if* still listed, because as I >mentioned, longtime unused devices are not listed) -> Sign out)
Before you do that (use phone-repair store), see my response
about doing a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset') to J÷rg.
Recovery mode. Google/use other internet search engine/ask any
competent AI about android recovery mode.
On 5/14/25 8:36 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,above) ?
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the
its newAlso,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as
anything aboutowner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember
his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it
gets internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still
linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
(See: Home -> Devices -> select device (*if* still listed, because as I
mentioned, longtime unused devices are not listed) -> Sign out)
I think this may be the same thing?
https://myaccount.google.com/device-activity
I use this to sign out my Google toys when I give them away to grandkids
(and also reset them of course). But I don't see anywhere on that site to sign them back in. That apparently has to be done on the device. Likewise I don't think that move does anything to the device itself other than require
a new sign in the next time it's used...
On 2025-05-14 18:21, AJL wrote:
On 5/14/25 8:36 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,above) ?
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the
its newAlso,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as
anything aboutowner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember
his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it
gets internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still
linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
(See: Home -> Devices -> select device (*if* still listed, because as I
mentioned, longtime unused devices are not listed) -> Sign out)
I think this may be the same thing?
https://myaccount.google.com/device-activity
I use this to sign out my Google toys when I give them away to grandkids
(and also reset them of course). But I don't see anywhere on that site to
sign them back in. That apparently has to be done on the device. Likewise I >> don't think that move does anything to the device itself other than require >> a new sign in the next time it's used...
I hope it deletes personal information from the old account.
On 5/14/25 11:43 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-05-14 18:21, AJL wrote:
On 5/14/25 8:36 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,above) ?
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the
its newAlso,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as
anything aboutowner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember
his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use
the same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list
of devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if
it gets internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still >>>> linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
(See: Home -> Devices -> select device (*if* still listed, because as I >>>> mentioned, longtime unused devices are not listed) -> Sign out)
I think this may be the same thing?
https://myaccount.google.com/device-activity
I use this to sign out my Google toys when I give them away to grandkids >>> (and also reset them of course). But I don't see anywhere on that
site to
sign them back in. That apparently has to be done on the device.
Likewise I
don't think that move does anything to the device itself other than
require
a new sign in the next time it's used...
I hope it deletes personal information from the old account.
There's no old account. The above info is for many devices using one Google account. But any info stored in memory would remain and that's why I also reset when I get rid of a device. I also sign out to get the toy off my Google device list.
BTW if any of my toys were stolen, I would just sign it out of Google. Then if the perp somehow gets past my lockscreen pin, the then exposed unlocked Google apps inside would no longer give out my info or work on my
account...
Frank,
Before you do that (use phone-repair store), see my response
about doing a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset') to J?rg.
[quote=me]
I cannot even get that far. The OS doesn't allow me further than the
"choose a WiFi network" screen, so it can "verify my identity".
[/quote]
On 5/14/25 8:36 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets
internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still >linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
(See: Home -> Devices -> select device (*if* still listed, because as I >mentioned, longtime unused devices are not listed) -> Sign out)
I think this may be the same thing?
https://myaccount.google.com/device-activity
I use this to sign out my Google toys when I give them away to grandkids
(and also reset them of course).
But I don't see anywhere on that site to
sign them back in. That apparently has to be done on the device. Likewise I
don't think that move does anything to the device itself other than require
a new sign in the next time it's used...
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ? >>>>>>> Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new >>>>>>> owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything about
his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets >>>> internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still
linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
I haven't actually looked, because I do not want to actually unlink any
of my devices by accident.
But google finds it. :-)
How to Remove a Device from Google Account on Desktop
1 Go to the "Security" page in your Google account settings.
2 Locate the device you want to remove under "Devices you trust."
3 Click on the three-dot menu icon next to the device name, then
select "Remove."
4 Google will ask you to confirm removal of the device.
5 The selected device will now be removed from your Google account.
6 Repeat steps 2-4 for any other devices you want to delete by
removing trust.
7 Once done, recheck your devices list to confirm the removed
devices no longer appear.
Following these steps allows you to easily prune and declutter your
connected devices list from a desktop computer.
<https://reolink.com/blog/how-to-remove-a-device-from-google-account/>
These instructions are - at least currently - not quite correct.
In step 2, there is no such "Devices you trust" list (and the account search facility only points to help articles, not to account items with
that name.
If you search the help facility ('(?)') on 'trust', you'll find the
help item 'Add or remove trusted computers'. But the 'Remove computers & devices from your trusted list' part of that help item just refers to Security -> Manage all devices, where you can select a device, but can
only select '[Sign out]', *not* "Remove"!
Bottom line: This procedure only allows you to sign out - *if* the
device is still listed, i.e. not unused too long -, but not to remove
it. (And, AFAICT, not even remove it from your trusted list, because
you can sign out and back in on a trusted device. A trusted device is a device where you don't have to perform the 2-Step Verification.)
Anssi,[...]
Recovery mode. Google/use other internet search engine/ask any
competent AI about android recovery mode.
Anyways, I searched and found a webpage describing the method. Alas the "volume up + power button" method gives me the same sceen as if I would have powered-up normally (no recovery screen).
On 2025-05-14 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 10:48, R.Wieser wrote:
Jorg,
Recovery of what please ? And how would I do that (see the above) ? >>>>> Also,
how would that make the phone forget my friend, accepting me as its new >>>>> owner ?
Remove the Google-account of your friend
"Remove the Google-account of your friend"
Thats the whole thing : *how* ? My friend doesn't remember anything about
his erstwhile, years old identity.
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets
internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
I haven't actually looked, because I do not want to actually unlink any
of my devices by accident.
But google finds it. :-)
How to Remove a Device from Google Account on Desktop
1 Go to the "Security" page in your Google account settings.
2 Locate the device you want to remove under "Devices you trust."
3 Click on the three-dot menu icon next to the device name, then
select "Remove."
4 Google will ask you to confirm removal of the device.
5 The selected device will now be removed from your Google account.
6 Repeat steps 2-4 for any other devices you want to delete by
removing trust.
7 Once done, recheck your devices list to confirm the removed
devices no longer appear.
Following these steps allows you to easily prune and declutter your
connected devices list from a desktop computer.
<https://reolink.com/blog/how-to-remove-a-device-from-google-account/>
Please *read* my response to J÷rg [1], including me pointing to
the specific part of J÷rg's reference.
To do a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset'), *you only need
to push/use the (physical) buttons on the device.
On 2025-05-15 14:17, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the >>>> same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of >>>> devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets >>>> internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I >>> see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still >>> linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
I haven't actually looked, because I do not want to actually unlink any
of my devices by accident.
But google finds it. :-)
How to Remove a Device from Google Account on Desktop
1 Go to the "Security" page in your Google account settings.
2 Locate the device you want to remove under "Devices you trust."
3 Click on the three-dot menu icon next to the device name, then
select "Remove."
4 Google will ask you to confirm removal of the device.
5 The selected device will now be removed from your Google account. >> 6 Repeat steps 2-4 for any other devices you want to delete by
removing trust.
7 Once done, recheck your devices list to confirm the removed
devices no longer appear.
Following these steps allows you to easily prune and declutter your
connected devices list from a desktop computer.
<https://reolink.com/blog/how-to-remove-a-device-from-google-account/>
These instructions are - at least currently - not quite correct.
In step 2, there is no such "Devices you trust" list (and the account search facility only points to help articles, not to account items with that name.
If you search the help facility ('(?)') on 'trust', you'll find the
help item 'Add or remove trusted computers'. But the 'Remove computers & devices from your trusted list' part of that help item just refers to Security -> Manage all devices, where you can select a device, but can
only select '[Sign out]', *not* "Remove"!
Bottom line: This procedure only allows you to sign out - *if* the device is still listed, i.e. not unused too long -, but not to remove
it. (And, AFAICT, not even remove it from your trusted list, because
you can sign out and back in on a trusted device. A trusted device is a device where you don't have to perform the 2-Step Verification.)
I tried on "Find my device". For two seconds there was an entry that
said "factory reset device", and something else, but it got replaced
with another text.
It displays a map, and three options:
Play a sound
Secure device
Ah, now I see factory reset again! It appeared after "play a sound".
worked. Initially it could not find it, but play a sound worked.
It has changed where, but the option is there.
Bottom line: Try *both* power + volume-down and power +
volume-down keys. I've yet to find a device which does not
use either combination.
Frank,
Please *read* my response to J?rg [1], including me pointing to
the specific part of J?rg's reference.
To do a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset'), *you only need
to push/use the (physical) buttons on the device.
I suggest you read your indicated message yourself, and point out (quote) where you said that last bit. Good luck. :-)
Besides the problem that my device has a few other buttons other than the power one that is, and you forgot to mention which one(s) I would need to press - as well as until when.
I know of a "factory reset" - or whatever its called it the settings - but was not aware of a rather similar thing hidden behind a special button combination.
Also, I was, just as others here where, assuming it was a theft deterrant. Not something that could be evaded by pressing the right buttons.
And if
anything my visit to a local phone-repair shop seems to support that, as
they didn't make any suggestion that it could be done that way.
And by the way, that special buttons trick doesn't seem to want to work
here.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 5/14/25 8:36 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets >> >> internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still
linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
(See: Home -> Devices -> select device (*if* still listed, because as I
mentioned, longtime unused devices are not listed) -> Sign out)
I think this may be the same thing?
https://myaccount.google.com/device-activity
Yes, that's the list.
I use this to sign out my Google toys when I give them away to grandkids
(and also reset them of course).
*How* do you 'reset' them? With a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory
reset') from the 'Android Recovery' boot menu as described before (see
for example <https://www.devicesfaq.com/en/hard-reset/samsung-galaxy-j5>
for the phone under discussion).
If you indeed use that procedure, that would negate Jörg's comment
that after a 'Hard reset' the device would not be usable for *another*
user (than the previous owner/user).
But I don't see anywhere on that site to
sign them back in. That apparently has to be done on the device. Likewise I >> don't think that move does anything to the device itself other than require >> a new sign in the next time it's used...
Exactly (on all counts).
Frank,
Bottom line: Try *both* power + volume-down and power +
volume-down keys. I've yet to find a device which does not
use either combination.
After the suggested method failed I also tried holding either and both buttons plus the power button. Holding volume-dow + power resulted in a boot-cycle, never showing the samsung logo.
And by the way, my J5 has a single power-button on the right, and the two volume buttons on the left. IOW, not a configuration as shown by any of the images on that hard reset page.
On 5/15/25 5:32 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 5/14/25 8:36 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]
He uses a different identity on each phone? Normally, people use the
same account when they buy a new phone.
He could login into google in a computer, and there find the list of
devices, and drop the one. The old phone should accept this, if it gets >> >> internet.
Do you know how to actually "drop" the old phone? The only thing I
see, is a 'Sign out', but AFAIK if a device is signed out, it is still
linked to the Google Account, because you can just sign back in).
(See: Home -> Devices -> select device (*if* still listed, because as I >> >mentioned, longtime unused devices are not listed) -> Sign out)
I think this may be the same thing?
https://myaccount.google.com/device-activity
Yes, that's the list.
I use this to sign out my Google toys when I give them away to grandkids >> (and also reset them of course).
*How* do you 'reset' them? With a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory
reset') from the 'Android Recovery' boot menu as described before (see
for example <https://www.devicesfaq.com/en/hard-reset/samsung-galaxy-j5> >for the phone under discussion).
On my Galaxy S10+ it's Settings > General management > reset > factory data
reset.
But it's been 5+ years since I gave a phone away (current phone's age) so I
don't remember the exact reset routine I used. But I do remember that the
grandkid I gave it to used it with no problems on his family account.
If you indeed use that procedure, that would negate J÷rg's comment
that after a 'Hard reset' the device would not be usable for *another*
user (than the previous owner/user).
I suspect that the reset/reuse routine depends on the particular phone and
the difficulties likely vary...
Please *read* my response to J?rg [1], including me pointing to
the specific part of J?rg's reference.
To do a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset'), *you only need
to push/use the (physical) buttons on the device.
I suggest you read your indicated message yourself, and point out (quote)
where you said that last bit. Good luck. :-)
Kiddo' :-), don't be a wise guy! I said, what I said I said.
"that last bit" is in J÷rg's reference, not in my text, so I
*can't* quote"where I said that", because *I* didn't say it!
And by the way, that special buttons trick doesn't seem to want to
work here.
I've addressed that issue in another response:
Also it's press and *hold*, till the device boots and in my
experience it can be more than "a few seconds" and IME the
sequence can be relevant, i.e. not volume-<down or up> and
then power, but power and then volume-<down or up>. IOW,
keep trying.
Frank,
Please *read* my response to J?rg [1], including me pointing to
the specific part of J?rg's reference.
To do a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset'), *you only need
to push/use the (physical) buttons on the device.
I suggest you read your indicated message yourself, and point out (quote) >> where you said that last bit. Good luck. :-)
Kiddo' :-), don't be a wise guy! I said, what I said I said.
"that last bit" is in J?rg's reference, not in my text, so I
*can't* quote"where I said that", because *I* didn't say it!
Frank, "kiddo", don't be an idiot. You gave me a reference to a particular message from your own hand, and from it I copied the above first quote. Trying to deny that doesn't work.
So again, show me where you told me where you told me that I should use a particular physical button combination to get at that "hard reset"
Also, you still owe me a reference to where you have pointed me to "the specific part" of jorgs reference. I read that message of yours to jorg, and could not find what yoyu clam is there. Your refusal to reference/quote it makes me think you figured out it wasn't actually there, and you are now trying to bluff your way out of it.
Is that clear enough for you ?
And by the way, that special buttons trick doesn't seem to want to
work here.
I've addressed that issue in another response:
Which I already have responded to.
Also it's press and *hold*, till the device boots and in my
experience it can be more than "a few seconds" and IME the
sequence can be relevant, i.e. not volume-<down or up> and
then power, but power and then volume-<down or up>. IOW,
keep trying.
Maybe I need to press all of them and release them in a certain order and at specific times when the first text is displayed ? Maybe I need to re-press them too ? Maybe I should only *start* pressing them when the logo appears
?
IOW, *way* to many possibilities - and thats assuming that thay special screen containing the "hard reset" option actually exists.
Earth to Rudy: In that quote, I say "including me pointing to
the specific part of J÷rg's reference.", so I *pointed to* J÷rg's
reference and the hence the 'proof' you're looking for is *in that reference*, *not* in *my* text. Capice?
So again, show me where you told me where you told me that I should
use a particular physical button combination to get at that "hard reset"
Indirectly in that/my article (and later several times directly).
Don't blame me if you can't/won't/don't/<whatever> follow
references/ directions.
I don't owe you anything. If anything, you owe me/us an apology for
acting like an ungrateful, obnoxious, pompous twat.
But, because I don't understand you don't get it, I read "that
message of yours to jorg" again and the 'proof' you demand is of
course there. In the very first paragraph, with your name in it.
And to be clear, because you keep snipping the MIDs which I gave and I
gave serveral MIDs in my responses to you, "that message of yours to
jorg" is still, what it always was:
Message-ID: [snip]
And please, don't snip it this time.
You need to release them when the desired (i.e. Recovery)
screen appears.
Frank,
Earth to Rudy: In that quote, I say "including me pointing to
the specific part of J?rg's reference.", so I *pointed to* J?rg's
reference and the hence the 'proof' you're looking for is *in that reference*, *not* in *my* text. Capice?
Ah, gotyou. So your "including me *pointing to the specific part* of J?rg's reference." (bolding mine) is, and has been a lie. I capice.
No wonder you have not quoted it as proof that you did...
So again, show me where you told me where you told me that I should
use a particular physical button combination to get at that "hard reset"
Indirectly in that/my article (and later several times directly).
Thats the whole thing, is it. You, with your 20-20 vision noticing
something you already knew (or strongly suspected) that would be there, expecting that I, who knew nothing about that "secret" method, would notice the same.
Also, feel free to point out which of those "and later several times directly" came *before* my post about not being able to get at that "'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset')" option.
Don't blame me if you can't/won't/don't/<whatever> follow
references/ directions.
So, you think its in any way honest to expect someone to just go read *everything* without even knowing what he should be looking for. Capice.
I don't owe you anything. If anything, you owe me/us an apology for
acting like an ungrateful, obnoxious, pompous twat.
You claim, you owe. That is how it works.
And what should I be grateful for ? For your claims of help where you
cannot even quote how you did so ? That kind of "help" ?
Grateful for someone who tries to tells me that I should alsways
second-guess someones instructions and am obliged to go on a wild goose
chase every time ? I don't think so.
As for being "obnoxious and pompous" ? Your one-star rathing doesn't even make a dent in my overal rating I'm afraid.
Start with realizing that you might have knowledge others (I) do not, and that you need to be clear about what you want the other to know.
But, because I don't understand you don't get it, I read "that
message of yours to jorg" again and the 'proof' you demand is of
course there. In the very first paragraph, with your name in it.
And to be clear, because you keep snipping the MIDs which I gave and I gave serveral MIDs in my responses to you, "that message of yours to
jorg" is still, what it always was:
Sigh.
"If unlinking the phone from the ex-user's Google Account " ...
That isn't talking about secret button combinations.
"Yes, smartphones have some 'theft protection'"
That isn't either
"Of course the disadvantage of a 'factory reset' is"
Nor that.
"[1] I once did an 'Android Recovery' -> 'Wipe data/factory reset'"
Nor that.
You said ?
Message-ID: [snip]
And please, don't snip it this time.
As someone recently said to me, I don't owe you anything.
Besides, I assume that the people here in this newsgroup, perhaps besides you, are smart enough to realize that, if they are interrested in what was said before, they can just take a peek at the parent post (and the rest of the (sub)thread if they like).
And as another besides, I have no idea why you keep using the MID, instead
of posting the UTC datetime of the post (also in the headers). For
instance, my newsgroup reader doesn't expose MIDs, and has no way to search for them. It does sort the messages on date/time though.
You need to release them when the desired (i.e. Recovery)
screen appears.
:-) You have no idea which button combination I need to use, but you are sure about that ?
As mentioned before, I see a *lot* of possible usages of the buttons, including having to *press* them (and than release them?) at a certain moments.
Also, as a result(?) of having tried different combinations the phone twice made a photo, and once started in "safe mode". Never been able to repeat either of them though.
Frank, I think its quite clear I don't trust you (anymore), and you don't like me either. Lets not talk again.
Goodbye.
Regards,
On 5/15/25 5:32 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
*How* do you 'reset' them? With a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory >>reset') from the 'Android Recovery' boot menu as described before (see
for example <https://www.devicesfaq.com/en/hard-reset/samsung-galaxy-j5> >>for the phone under discussion).
On my Galaxy S10+ it's Settings > General management > reset > factory data
reset.
But it's been 5+ years since I gave a phone away (current phone's age) so I
don't remember the exact reset routine I used. But I do remember that the grandkid I gave it to used it with no problems on his family account.
I recently reset an iPhone (wife's old one, she upgraded) and put it on my extra Apple account. I play with it on WiFi only as an added toy. I used my extra Google account on it for the Google stuff if that counts as a semi reset/reuse...
If you indeed use that procedure, that would negate Jörg's comment
that after a 'Hard reset' the device would not be usable for *another*
user (than the previous owner/user).
I suspect that the reset/reuse routine depends on the particular phone and
the difficulties likely vary...
But I don't see anywhere on that site to >>> sign them back in. That apparently has to be done on the device. Likewise I
don't think that move does anything to the device itself other than require
a new sign in the next time it's used...
Exactly (on all counts).
On 5/15/25 7:56 AM, AJL wrote:
On 5/15/25 5:32 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
*How* do you 'reset' them? With a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory >>reset') from the 'Android Recovery' boot menu as described before (see >>for example <https://www.devicesfaq.com/en/hard-reset/samsung-galaxy-j5> >>for the phone under discussion).
On my Galaxy S10+ it's Settings > General management > reset > factory data
reset.
But it's been 5+ years since I gave a phone away (current phone's age) so I
don't remember the exact reset routine I used. But I do remember that the grandkid I gave it to used it with no problems on his family account.
I recently reset an iPhone (wife's old one, she upgraded) and put it on my extra Apple account. I play with it on WiFi only as an added toy. I used my extra Google account on^M it for the Google stuff if that counts as a semi reset/reuse...
I'll be giving this iPhone to a grandkid in a few days so I factory reset it
tonight. I didn't mention it before because I forgot but it DOES require an
Apple account password to factory reset it, even when the phone is already
signed in.
BTW Frank I fell off the wagon and got a new Windows 11 LT toy. Just
couldn't stay away. Pray for me...
If you indeed use that procedure, that would negate J÷rg's comment
that after a 'Hard reset' the device would not be usable for *another* >>user (than the previous owner/user).
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 5/15/25 7:56 AM, AJL wrote:
On 5/15/25 5:32 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
*How* do you 'reset' them? With a 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory
reset') from the 'Android Recovery' boot menu as described before (see >>>> for example <https://www.devicesfaq.com/en/hard-reset/samsung-galaxy-j5> >>>> for the phone under discussion).
On my Galaxy S10+ it's Settings > General management > reset > factory data >>> reset.
But it's been 5+ years since I gave a phone away (current phone's age) so I >>> don't remember the exact reset routine I used. But I do remember that the >>> grandkid I gave it to used it with no problems on his family account.
I recently reset an iPhone (wife's old one, she upgraded) and put it on my >>> extra Apple account. I play with it on WiFi only as an added toy. I used my >>> extra Google account on^M it for the Google stuff if that counts as a semi reset/reuse...
I'll be giving this iPhone to a grandkid in a few days so I factory reset it >> tonight. I didn't mention it before because I forgot but it DOES require an >> Apple account password to factory reset it, even when the phone is already >> signed in.
Thanks for the feedback.
As to Rudy's (the OP's) 'Hard reset' ('Wipe data/factory reset') of
his Android phone: That probably has been solved, but sofar he hasn't confirmed that.
If not, there probably still are two other methods, the one via the
Google Account of his friend and - IIRC - the adb one on a computer.
BTW Frank I fell off the wagon and got a new Windows 11 LT toy. Just
couldn't stay away. Pray for me...
You sinner! In short order, the Usenet Court will decide what your
penance should be. Be prepared that it will be *very* severe!
If you indeed use that procedure, that would negate J÷rg's comment
that after a 'Hard reset' the device would not be usable for *another* >>>> user (than the previous owner/user).