• Does anyone here have experience with "photofs" fixing photo naming?

    From Marion@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 03:05:44 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Does anyone here have experience with "photofs" fixing photo naming? https://jeromebelleman.gitlab.io/posts/filesystems/photofs/

    With every adult operating system, you can name the photos coming out of
    the mobile device - except with the brain-dead dumb-terminal iOS devices.

    Since Apple only hires high school dropouts to define their file-naming conventions, it can apparently be used to map Apple's sophomoric DCIM file-naming conventions to something that the modern world uses.

    Seriously though, if you've never looked at the brain-dead way Apple iOS devices name photos, you'll never understand how bad Apple coders are.

    It's almost as if nothing works in iOS the way it should unless you log
    into Apple's Cupertino mainframes every moment of your life.

    Just to get a reasonable name out of each of your photos on Apple's dumb terminal iOS devices (seriously - look at the stupid names Apple uses).

    Well, apparently, PhotoFS is to the rescue, perhaps fixing Apple's dumb-terminal brain-dead photo-naming conventions that nobody ever uses.

    PhotoFS, is, apparently, a FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) filesystem that presents your photo & video collection as a structured file system based on their metadata instead of how Apple's dumb-terminal devices display them.

    PhotoFS creates a virtual filesystem where directories and filenames are dynamically generated based on the EXIF and XMP metadata found within your image and video files.

    Unfortunately, there's only so much you can do to fix Apple's absurd dumb-terminal file-naming conventions, as PhotoFS is a read-only
    filesystem. It does not modify your original files. It only presents a different view of your existing collection.

    In essence, PhotoFS offers a clever way to navigate and interact with your media library by leveraging the rich information already embedded within
    your files to create a more meaningful and searchable file system
    structure.

    Hence, I ask, does anyone here have experience with "photofs" photo naming?

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  • From Herbert Kleebauer@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 07:58:40 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 22.04.2025 05:05, Marion wrote:

    With every adult operating system, you can name the photos coming out of
    the mobile device - except with the brain-dead dumb-terminal iOS devices.

    There is a very simple solution: don't use iPhones but phones with
    an "adult operating system".

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Herbert Kleebauer on Tue Apr 22 10:36:36 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Apr 22, 2025, Herbert Kleebauer wrote
    (in article <vu7b6h$3u07r$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 22.04.2025 05:05, Marion wrote:

    With every adult operating system, you can name the photos coming out of the mobile device - except with the brain-dead dumb-terminal iOS devices.

    There is a very simple solution: don't use iPhones but phones with
    an "adult operating system”.

    Then what would Arlen spend his boundless time on? What else could he write a few trillion words about every other week?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bill W on Tue Apr 22 15:56:35 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-22, Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025, Herbert Kleebauer wrote
    (in article <vu7b6h$3u07r$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 22.04.2025 05:05, Marion wrote:

    With every adult operating system, you can name the photos coming out of >> > the mobile device - except with the brain-dead dumb-terminal iOS devices. >>
    There is a very simple solution: don't use iPhones but phones with
    an "adult operating system”.

    Then what would Arlen spend his boundless time on? What else could he write a few trillion words about every other week?

    BINGO

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 16:36:03 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 22, 2025 at 11:56:35 AM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-22, Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025, Herbert Kleebauer wrote
    (in article <vu7b6h$3u07r$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 22.04.2025 05:05, Marion wrote:

    With every adult operating system, you can name the photos coming out of >>>> the mobile device - except with the brain-dead dumb-terminal iOS devices. >>>
    There is a very simple solution: don't use iPhones but phones with
    an "adult operating system”.

    Then what would Arlen spend his boundless time on? What else could he write a
    few trillion words about every other week?

    BINGO

    Not to mention that before last week he was whining that it was impossible to get to the iOS DCIM folder. Because "walled garden".

    Now that we have PROVED to him that it easy to do, he has to whine about file names? What does he expect? Picture of Arlen at the beach.jpg? IMG-3769275.jpg is a "better" name?

    And look how long it took him to accept the FACT that the iOS SMB server worked! He admitted to "googling furiously" to prove that we were wrong. It never occurred to him to DL the fucking app and TRY IT!

    NOW he is whining about not getting a drive letter assigned in Windows when he connects to the iOS SMB server. But of course it works when conecting to Android. As if the server you are connecting to controls the drive letter in the client (Windows in this case).

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Herbert Kleebauer on Tue Apr 22 16:29:22 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 07:58:40 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote :


    With every adult operating system, you can name the photos coming out of
    the mobile device - except with the brain-dead dumb-terminal iOS devices.

    There is a very simple solution: don't use iPhones but phones with
    an "adult operating system".

    Hi Herbert,

    I know you're a smart guy so I'm going to give you the correct response
    but realize that my response below requires you to understand Linux a bit.

    That's really not the solution as it's the same when I hear people telling immigrants to go back where they came from if they don't like how things
    are in the United States.

    The attitude that you can't fix something just because it's designed poorly
    is, in my humble opinion, the wrong attitude - and - I'm pretty sure you
    don't normally hold that attitude.

    All we need to do with photofs is work around Apple's dumb-terminal restrictions, much as we did by hooking up iOS to a Linux USB port.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Linux, win10 & iOS together
    <https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
    <https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks to copy
    <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
    <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS is only DCIM & only 1-way
    <https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is a dumb brick on Windows
    <https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu iFuse is just magical
    <https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
    <https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
    <https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
    <https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is nothing useful
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

    Note that this afc command (which one in five million people know about), instantly turns the iOS dumb terminal into a usable read/write USB drive.
    /run/user/1000/gvfs/afc:hose=<40char>,port=3/org.videolan.vlc-ios
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios170.jpg>

    So instead of "just giving up", we can be intelligent and learn how to
    convert the iOS dumb-terminal device into something more useful to us.
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios180.jpg> Read & write all!
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios170.jpg> Anywhere you want
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios160.jpg> Any file you want
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios150.jpg> Copy Win10 to iOS
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios140.jpg> read & write iOS
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios130.jpg> iFuse mounts all!
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios120.jpg> iFuse mounts iOS
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios110.jpg> iFuse Windows mnt
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios100.jpg> iFuse is native
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios090.jpg> Nobody knows this
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios080.jpg> The trick!
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios070.jpg> Look closely
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios060.jpg> Both read & write
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios050.jpg> Including DCIM
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios040.jpg> View iOS filesys
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios030.jpg> iOS mounts
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios020.jpg> Allow access?
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios010.jpg> Trust Computer?
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios000.jpg> Ubuntu before iOS

    Just to let you know, other adults on the Apple operating system newsgroups have also complained about the file-naming conventions of iOS which
    basically force you to log into Apple's mainframes to get decent names.

    The way Apple designs things is nothing actually works in iOS unless you're logging into Apple's Cupertino servers every single second of your life.

    That's because the entire iOS device is designed as a dumb terminal, where
    I have two of them beside me right now testing how long it will take for
    Apple to unilaterally brick them because I refuse to log into their matrix.

    Note: Apple bricked the last two in two years, so I'm simply testing a different set of conditions to see how long it takes Apple to brick the
    devices simply because I refuse to log into their matrix servers every day.

    Back to photofs, note that iFuse with AFC turns the iOS device into a
    usable USB device, with read and write permission on the iOS filesystem.

    I'm hoping photfs will work as well as iFuse/afc works with the iOS device
    to break free of iOS' dumb-terminal strategy w/o logging into the matrix.

    I just need to find people who know more than I do, that's all.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Tue Apr 22 16:50:36 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 16:36:03 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Not to mention that before last week he was whining that it was impossible to get to the iOS DCIM folder. Because "walled garden".

    Please don't call the Apple ecosystem a "walled garden" when it's really
    more like a subterranean cavern, unlike the real world in almost every way.

    Now that we have PROVED to him that it easy to do, he has to whine about file names? What does he expect? Picture of Arlen at the beach.jpg? IMG-3769275.jpg is a "better" name?

    I wonder if you realize how many millions of people have "whined" about the idiotic way Apple iOS does the file naming on their photos files Tyrone?

    And look how long it took him to accept the FACT that the iOS SMB server worked! He admitted to "googling furiously" to prove that we were wrong. It never occurred to him to DL the fucking app and TRY IT!

    First off, I didn't say it didn't work - I said I didn't think nix-based systems allowed 3rd-party apps to bind to privileged ports, and, I said
    that I couldn't find any documentation saying iOS could - and - let's be
    clear - neither could you - and neither could anyone find that
    documentation.

    So the only way to prove that it worked was to try it out, but what you
    don't understand is believing you Apple trolls is like believing that
    Charles Manson didn't do it - even as many still insist he's innocent.

    It's a shock that you Apple trolls have ever been right, as you Apple
    trolls still insist on imaginary iOS functionality day in and day out.

    Do I need to list all the claims Jolly Roger & nospam have made for
    example, where even in the past week Jolly Roger insisted iTunes backs up
    his IPA's off of his iOS device when that is impossible.

    NOW he is whining about not getting a drive letter assigned in Windows when he
    connects to the iOS SMB server. But of course it works when conecting to Android. As if the server you are connecting to controls the drive letter in the client (Windows in this case).

    I supplied images. I tried it. You didn't try it. You're just guessing.

    What you're suggesting is to use a *different* mapping mechanism.
    You don't even realize the discrepancy.

    It might work with that different mapping.
    But that's now how it has to work with WebDAV.

    For the record, I will try the mapping using the *DIFFERENT* mechanism that
    you suggest, but that doesn't change the fact that "net use" didn't do it.

    (You'd think they "should" give the same results but they well may not.)

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 10:32:49 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-22 09:50, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 16:36:03 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Not to mention that before last week he was whining that it was impossible to
    get to the iOS DCIM folder. Because "walled garden".

    Please don't call the Apple ecosystem a "walled garden" when it's really
    more like a subterranean cavern, unlike the real world in almost every way.

    Now that we have PROVED to him that it easy to do, he has to whine about file
    names? What does he expect? Picture of Arlen at the beach.jpg?
    IMG-3769275.jpg is a "better" name?

    I wonder if you realize how many millions of people have "whined" about the idiotic way Apple iOS does the file naming on their photos files Tyrone?

    And look how long it took him to accept the FACT that the iOS SMB server
    worked! He admitted to "googling furiously" to prove that we were wrong. It >> never occurred to him to DL the fucking app and TRY IT!

    First off, I didn't say it didn't work - I said I didn't think nix-based systems allowed 3rd-party apps to bind to privileged ports, and, I said
    that I couldn't find any documentation saying iOS could - and - let's be clear - neither could you - and neither could anyone find that
    documentation.

    Actually, you REPEATEDLY claimed it COULD NOT POSSIBLY work.

    Because you KNEW how iOS had to behave.


    So the only way to prove that it worked was to try it out, but what you
    don't understand is believing you Apple trolls is like believing that
    Charles Manson didn't do it - even as many still insist he's innocent.

    It's a shock that you Apple trolls have ever been right, as you Apple
    trolls still insist on imaginary iOS functionality day in and day out.

    Do I need to list all the claims Jolly Roger & nospam have made for
    example, where even in the past week Jolly Roger insisted iTunes backs up
    his IPA's off of his iOS device when that is impossible.

    NOW he is whining about not getting a drive letter assigned in Windows when he
    connects to the iOS SMB server. But of course it works when conecting to
    Android. As if the server you are connecting to controls the drive letter in >> the client (Windows in this case).

    I supplied images. I tried it. You didn't try it. You're just guessing.

    What you're suggesting is to use a *different* mapping mechanism.
    You don't even realize the discrepancy.

    It might work with that different mapping.
    But that's now how it has to work with WebDAV.

    For the record, I will try the mapping using the *DIFFERENT* mechanism that you suggest, but that doesn't change the fact that "net use" didn't do it.

    (You'd think they "should" give the same results but they well may not.)

    You are SUCH an idiot:

    I just turned on "LAN drive" again, and then did the command:

    "C:\Users\Alan>net use e: \\iPhone16\DCIM"

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vz7mhzAz7pNhlLKvVeSVKXW2Otv7U_pW/view?usp=share_link>

    And lo and behold what do I find in File Explorer's sidebar?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/100oVcBhbj_0QHFd4-pyAUeAPeczzWiFX/view?usp=share_link>

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 21:27:47 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 22/04/2025 17:29, Marion wrote:
    I just need to find people who know more than I do, that's all.

    Have you tried asking questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC)
    Forums?

    https://discussions.apple.com/welcome

    You don't need a REAL Apple Account (Apple ID) - any concocted one will do.

    See:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/apple-account

    Try it! You might like it! ;-)

    --
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  • From Herbert Kleebauer@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 22:34:03 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 22.04.2025 18:29, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 07:58:40 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote :

    With every adult operating system, you can name the photos coming out of >>> the mobile device - except with the brain-dead dumb-terminal iOS devices.

    There is a very simple solution: don't use iPhones but phones with
    an "adult operating system".

    That's really not the solution as it's the same when I hear people telling immigrants to go back where they came from if they don't like how things
    are in the United States.

    Hope that wasn't meant seriously. A smartphone is not a lifetime device,
    it is replaced every few years. And if you are not happy with your
    current device, choose a different type next time.

    If an immigrant could decide every 3 years in which country he wants
    to live, then nothing is wrong with the advice: try a different country
    next time if you are not happy with the USA.


    Just to let you know, other adults on the Apple operating system newsgroups have also complained about the file-naming conventions of iOS which
    basically force you to log into Apple's mainframes to get decent names.

    Sorry, but I don't understand your problem. You don't like the file-naming
    on your iPhone. There are two easy solutions:

    - don't use an iPhone or
    - rename the file to names you like

    I suppose you already transfer the pictures to a PC for a backup.
    Rename the pictures on the PC (there are many renaming tools available
    or use a simple batch to do it). Select the pictures you want/need on
    your iPhone and copy them back with the new names.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 21:59:17 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 22, 2025 at 12:29:22 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Just to let you know, other adults on the Apple operating system newsgroups have also complained about the file-naming conventions of iOS which
    basically force you to log into Apple's mainframes to get decent names.

    What exactly is the problem? It's just a file name. Once you copy it over from DCIM, feel free to change it to whatever you want.

    BTW, last week you didn't even know that you COULD connect to DCIM on any iDevice. You denied it for days. You called us all liars. Once we
    bitch-slapped you out of your "privileged ports" fantasy land and into
    reality, you FINALLY accepted the facts.

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    And one is no harder to change than the other.

    And what makes you think Apple has "mainframes"? Much more likely - not to mention cheaper/easier to program and maintain - would be racks of load-balanced Mac Minis. Apple probably has their own internal hardware configuration of Mac servers running the entire show. All running MacOS (Unix) of course. Exactly how much horsepower do you think is needed to store photos and forward text messages/emails?

    Sounds to me like you just need SOMETHING new to complain about, now that you have been PROVEN WRONG about (1) the Files app and (2) the iOS SMB Server.
    Even worse than that, you had to admit that iOS can do something that Android can't do.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 21:24:32 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-22, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 16:36:03 +0000, Tyrone wrote :

    And look how long it took him to accept the FACT that the iOS SMB
    server worked! He admitted to "googling furiously" to prove that we
    were wrong. It never occurred to him to DL the fucking app and TRY
    IT!

    First off, I didn't say it didn't work

    LOL... Little Arlen has been claiming iOS can't do what we all know it
    can do since at least *2018*. He really does think we don't remember! Here
    are his own words (under another nym of course, because: troll):

    On 2018-03-15, Ragnusen Ultred <ragnusen@ultred.com> wrote:

    For example, I've been able to easily transfer files from Linux to iOS over WiFi using the SMB server inside of the freeware WiFi HD program using the smbclient inside of Linux.

    Tell me, Jolly Roger & nospam, how do you accomplish /that/ with your
    vaunted Apple solutions?

    ... and here he is, SEVEN FUCKING YEARS LATER *still* going on about it.

    Fucking clown.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Apr 22 22:14:24 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 22, 2025 at 6:05:15 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-22, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 12:29:22 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Just to let you know, other adults on the Apple operating system newsgroups >>> have also complained about the file-naming conventions of iOS which
    basically force you to log into Apple's mainframes to get decent names.

    What exactly is the problem? It's just a file name. Once you copy it over >> from DCIM, feel free to change it to whatever you want.

    BTW, last week you didn't even know that you COULD connect to DCIM on any
    iDevice. You denied it for days. You called us all liars. Once we
    bitch-slapped you out of your "privileged ports" fantasy land and into
    reality, you FINALLY accepted the facts.

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my >> iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is
    "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    And one is no harder to change than the other.

    And what makes you think Apple has "mainframes"? Much more likely - not to >> mention cheaper/easier to program and maintain - would be racks of
    load-balanced Mac Minis. Apple probably has their own internal hardware
    configuration of Mac servers running the entire show. All running MacOS (Unix)
    of course. Exactly how much horsepower do you think is needed to store photos
    and forward text messages/emails?

    Sounds to me like you just need SOMETHING new to complain about, now that you
    have been PROVEN WRONG about (1) the Files app and (2) the iOS SMB Server. >> Even worse than that, you had to admit that iOS can do something that Android
    can't do.

    That's *exactly* what this is: he's desperately trying to move on from
    his embarrassing file transfer troll to a different troll.

    That whooshing sound you hear is Arlen, once again desperately moving the goal posts.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Tue Apr 22 22:05:15 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-22, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 12:29:22 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Just to let you know, other adults on the Apple operating system newsgroups >> have also complained about the file-naming conventions of iOS which
    basically force you to log into Apple's mainframes to get decent names.

    What exactly is the problem? It's just a file name. Once you copy it over from DCIM, feel free to change it to whatever you want.

    BTW, last week you didn't even know that you COULD connect to DCIM on any iDevice. You denied it for days. You called us all liars. Once we bitch-slapped you out of your "privileged ports" fantasy land and into reality, you FINALLY accepted the facts.

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    And one is no harder to change than the other.

    And what makes you think Apple has "mainframes"? Much more likely - not to mention cheaper/easier to program and maintain - would be racks of load-balanced Mac Minis. Apple probably has their own internal hardware configuration of Mac servers running the entire show. All running MacOS (Unix)
    of course. Exactly how much horsepower do you think is needed to store photos and forward text messages/emails?

    Sounds to me like you just need SOMETHING new to complain about, now that you have been PROVEN WRONG about (1) the Files app and (2) the iOS SMB Server. Even worse than that, you had to admit that iOS can do something that Android can't do.

    That's *exactly* what this is: he's desperately trying to move on from
    his embarrassing file transfer troll to a different troll.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Tue Apr 22 22:35:14 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 22, 2025 at 5:59:17 PM EDT, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    It just hit me why Apple uses these file names for photos. Being a programmer (for 40 years) it is obvious that those are all Hex digits. 8 digits-4
    digits-4 digits-4 digits-12 digits. Letters between A and F. That they are broken up by dashes probably has some context.

    The file names have to be absolutely unique so that MY files don't get overwritten by someone else's files in iCloud. And vice-versa.

    Apple is storing billions of photos. The worst thing that could happen is
    that files get crossed.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 22 15:40:16 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-21 20:05, Marion wrote:
    Does anyone here have experience with "photofs" fixing photo naming? https://jeromebelleman.gitlab.io/posts/filesystems/photofs/

    With every adult operating system, you can name the photos coming out of
    the mobile device - except with the brain-dead dumb-terminal iOS devices.

    Since Apple only hires high school dropouts to define their file-naming conventions, it can apparently be used to map Apple's sophomoric DCIM file-naming conventions to something that the modern world uses.

    Seriously though, if you've never looked at the brain-dead way Apple iOS devices name photos, you'll never understand how bad Apple coders are.

    It's almost as if nothing works in iOS the way it should unless you log
    into Apple's Cupertino mainframes every moment of your life.

    Just to get a reasonable name out of each of your photos on Apple's dumb terminal iOS devices (seriously - look at the stupid names Apple uses).

    Well, apparently, PhotoFS is to the rescue, perhaps fixing Apple's dumb-terminal brain-dead photo-naming conventions that nobody ever uses.

    PhotoFS, is, apparently, a FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) filesystem that presents your photo & video collection as a structured file system based on their metadata instead of how Apple's dumb-terminal devices display them.

    PhotoFS creates a virtual filesystem where directories and filenames are dynamically generated based on the EXIF and XMP metadata found within your image and video files.

    Unfortunately, there's only so much you can do to fix Apple's absurd dumb-terminal file-naming conventions, as PhotoFS is a read-only
    filesystem. It does not modify your original files. It only presents a different view of your existing collection.

    In essence, PhotoFS offers a clever way to navigate and interact with your media library by leveraging the rich information already embedded within
    your files to create a more meaningful and searchable file system
    structure.

    Hence, I ask, does anyone here have experience with "photofs" photo naming?

    Riiiiiiight.

    It's "brain-dead" to name images sequentially...

    ...when they have all this metadata associated with them:

    Aperture Value: 1.356
    Brightness Value: -1.496
    Color Space: Uncalibrated
    CompositeImage: 2
    Date Time Digitized: Mar 24, 2025 at 18:22:09
    Date Time Original: Mar 24, 2025 at 18:22:09
    Exif Version: 2.3.2
    Exposure Bias Value: 0
    Exposure Mode: Auto exposure
    Exposure Program: Normal program
    Exposure Time: 1/20
    Flash: Off, did not fire
    FNumber: 1.6
    Focal Length: 5.96
    Focal Length In 35mm Film: 52
    Photographic Sensitivity (ISO): 640
    Lens Make: Apple
    Lens Model: iPhone 16 back dual wide camera 5.96mm f/1.6
    Lens Specification: 2.22, 5.96, 1.6, 2.2
    Metering Mode: Pattern
    Time Zone for Modification Date: -07:00
    Time Zone for Digitized Date: -07:00
    Time Zone for Original Date: -07:00
    Pixel X Dimension: 4,032
    Pixel Y Dimension: 3,024
    Scene Type: A directly photographed image
    Sensing Method: One-chip color area sensor
    Shutter Speed Value: 1/20
    Subject Area: 2,015, 1,507, 1,106, 662
    Sub-second Time Digitized: 505
    Sub-second Time Original: 505
    White Balance: Auto white balance

    And this:

    Altitude: 27.76 m (91.07 ft)
    Altitude Reference: above sea level
    Date Stamp: Mar 25, 2025
    Destination Bearing: 68.77
    Destination Bearing Reference: Magnetic direction
    Horizontal Positioning Error: 11.81
    Image Direction: 68.77
    Image Direction Reference: Magnetic north
    Latitude: <redacted>
    Longitude: <redacted>
    Speed: 0.3
    Speed Reference: Kilometers per hour
    Time Stamp: 01:22:07 UTC

    Oh, and this:

    Date Time: Mar 24, 2025 at 18:22:09
    Host Computer: iPhone 16
    Make: Apple
    Model: iPhone 16
    Orientation: 6 (Rotated 90° CCW)
    Resolution Unit: inches
    Software: 18.3
    Tile Length: 512
    Tile Width: 512
    X Resolution: 72
    Y Resolution: 72

    How could someone EVER hope to search for a file without a tool like
    "photofs"?

    LOL!

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  • From Herbert Kleebauer@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 23 08:32:23 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 23.04.2025 00:35, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 5:59:17 PM EDT, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my >> iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is
    "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    It just hit me why Apple uses these file names for photos. Being a programmer (for 40 years) it is obvious that those are all Hex digits. 8 digits-4 digits-4 digits-4 digits-12 digits. Letters between A and F. That they are broken up by dashes probably has some context.

    Seems they are using "Universally Unique IDentifiers" (UUIDs) (rfc9562)
    as file names:

    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9562

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 23 09:31:47 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-22 15:35, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 5:59:17 PM EDT, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my >> iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is
    "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    It just hit me why Apple uses these file names for photos. Being a programmer (for 40 years) it is obvious that those are all Hex digits. 8 digits-4 digits-4 digits-4 digits-12 digits. Letters between A and F. That they are broken up by dashes probably has some context.

    The file names have to be absolutely unique so that MY files don't get overwritten by someone else's files in iCloud. And vice-versa.

    Apple is storing billions of photos. The worst thing that could happen is that files get crossed.

    Where does Apple use long file names like that?

    I've never seen any on any of my devices.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 23 17:47:50 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 23, 2025 at 12:31:47 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-22 15:35, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 5:59:17 PM EDT, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my >>> iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is
    "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    It just hit me why Apple uses these file names for photos. Being a programmer
    (for 40 years) it is obvious that those are all Hex digits. 8 digits-4
    digits-4 digits-4 digits-12 digits. Letters between A and F. That they are >> broken up by dashes probably has some context.

    The file names have to be absolutely unique so that MY files don't get
    overwritten by someone else's files in iCloud. And vice-versa.

    Apple is storing billions of photos. The worst thing that could happen is >> that files get crossed.

    Where does Apple use long file names like that?

    I've never seen any on any of my devices.

    In the DCIM folder. You can see it using the iOS SMB Server. One of the
    shares it creates is for the DCIM photos folder.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 23 11:03:59 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-23 10:47, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 23, 2025 at 12:31:47 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-22 15:35, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 5:59:17 PM EDT, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my
    iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is >>>> "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    It just hit me why Apple uses these file names for photos. Being a programmer
    (for 40 years) it is obvious that those are all Hex digits. 8 digits-4
    digits-4 digits-4 digits-12 digits. Letters between A and F. That they are >>> broken up by dashes probably has some context.

    The file names have to be absolutely unique so that MY files don't get
    overwritten by someone else's files in iCloud. And vice-versa.

    Apple is storing billions of photos. The worst thing that could happen is >>> that files get crossed.

    Where does Apple use long file names like that?

    I've never seen any on any of my devices.

    In the DCIM folder. You can see it using the iOS SMB Server. One of the shares it creates is for the DCIM photos folder.

    Ah! I'd not seen that before.

    I'm wondering why some have those names and some have the shorter "IMG_###.jpg/heic" form...

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 23 19:04:33 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-23 10:47, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 23, 2025 at 12:31:47 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-22 15:35, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 5:59:17 PM EDT, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my
    Macs and my iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like
    "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than
    "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"? Both are totally
    arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    It just hit me why Apple uses these file names for photos. Being a
    programmer (for 40 years) it is obvious that those are all Hex
    digits. 8 digits-4 digits-4 digits-4 digits-12 digits. Letters
    between A and F. That they are broken up by dashes probably has
    some context.

    The file names have to be absolutely unique so that MY files don't
    get overwritten by someone else's files in iCloud. And vice-versa.

    Apple is storing billions of photos. The worst thing that could
    happen is that files get crossed.

    Where does Apple use long file names like that?

    I've never seen any on any of my devices.

    In the DCIM folder. You can see it using the iOS SMB Server. One of
    the shares it creates is for the DCIM photos folder.

    Ah! I'd not seen that before.

    I'm wondering why some have those names and some have the shorter "IMG_###.jpg/heic" form...

    It could be that the IMG_### files were created before Apple switched to
    UUIDs.

    --
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Apr 23 13:08:12 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-23 12:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-23 10:47, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 23, 2025 at 12:31:47 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-22 15:35, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 5:59:17 PM EDT, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote: >>>>>
    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my
    Macs and my iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like
    "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than
    "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"? Both are totally
    arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    It just hit me why Apple uses these file names for photos. Being a
    programmer (for 40 years) it is obvious that those are all Hex
    digits. 8 digits-4 digits-4 digits-4 digits-12 digits. Letters
    between A and F. That they are broken up by dashes probably has
    some context.

    The file names have to be absolutely unique so that MY files don't
    get overwritten by someone else's files in iCloud. And vice-versa.

    Apple is storing billions of photos. The worst thing that could
    happen is that files get crossed.

    Where does Apple use long file names like that?

    I've never seen any on any of my devices.

    In the DCIM folder. You can see it using the iOS SMB Server. One of
    the shares it creates is for the DCIM photos folder.

    Ah! I'd not seen that before.

    I'm wondering why some have those names and some have the shorter
    "IMG_###.jpg/heic" form...

    It could be that the IMG_### files were created before Apple switched to UUIDs.


    I don't think that's it...

    Let me start up the LAN Drive software again.

    Yeah... ...looking at recent files on "DCIM", I see files mixed in
    together: UUID names and IMG_#### names.

    The first two with UUID names are files imported from others sources and
    then the IMG_#### named files that follow are pictures (and screenshots
    and screen recordings) taken on my iPhone.

    That seems to be a theme: items taken on my iPhone have IMG_#### names
    and items from other sources...

    ...INCLUDING FROM MY OWN OTHER iOS DEVICES...

    ...get UUID names.

    And and just to tweak Arlen, one of the pictures that I happened to look
    at shows the BMW 135i he claims I don't drive...

    ...and the 1998 RF98-2 Van Diemen Honda Formula F he claims I don't race!

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1smiW1xOAcGxuW0Cgnc2AWMEnhccNn8LY/view?usp=share_link>

    😎

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 23 20:11:21 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-23 12:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    I'm wondering why some have those names and some have the shorter
    "IMG_###.jpg/heic" form...

    It could be that the IMG_### files were created before Apple switched to
    UUIDs.

    I don't think that's it...

    Let me start up the LAN Drive software again.

    Yeah... ...looking at recent files on "DCIM", I see files mixed in
    together: UUID names and IMG_#### names.

    The first two with UUID names are files imported from others sources and
    then the IMG_#### named files that follow are pictures (and screenshots
    and screen recordings) taken on my iPhone.

    That seems to be a theme: items taken on my iPhone have IMG_#### names
    and items from other sources...

    ...INCLUDING FROM MY OWN OTHER iOS DEVICES...

    ...get UUID names.

    That makes sense, because photos imported from other devices definitely
    need to have universally unique names to avoid conflicts with photos
    that originated on the device.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Apr 23 13:18:08 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-23 13:11, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-23 12:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    I'm wondering why some have those names and some have the shorter
    "IMG_###.jpg/heic" form...

    It could be that the IMG_### files were created before Apple switched to >>> UUIDs.

    I don't think that's it...

    Let me start up the LAN Drive software again.

    Yeah... ...looking at recent files on "DCIM", I see files mixed in
    together: UUID names and IMG_#### names.

    The first two with UUID names are files imported from others sources and
    then the IMG_#### named files that follow are pictures (and screenshots
    and screen recordings) taken on my iPhone.

    That seems to be a theme: items taken on my iPhone have IMG_#### names
    and items from other sources...

    ...INCLUDING FROM MY OWN OTHER iOS DEVICES...

    ...get UUID names.

    That makes sense, because photos imported from other devices definitely
    need to have universally unique names to avoid conflicts with photos
    that originated on the device.


    My thought exactly.

    :-)

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 23 21:50:03 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote at 22:35 this Tuesday (GMT):
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 5:59:17 PM EDT, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

    And what exactly is the "decent name" you get from Apple? On my Macs and my >> iCloud-connected Windows PCs, I get names like "IMG_4737.jpg". Why is
    "IMG_4737.jpg" a better name than "5C297223-793B-4508-A22F-BC319105026B.jpg"?
    Both are totally arbitrary names. Both are totally meaningless.

    It just hit me why Apple uses these file names for photos. Being a programmer (for 40 years) it is obvious that those are all Hex digits. 8 digits-4 digits-4 digits-4 digits-12 digits. Letters between A and F. That they are broken up by dashes probably has some context.

    The file names have to be absolutely unique so that MY files don't get overwritten by someone else's files in iCloud. And vice-versa.

    Apple is storing billions of photos. The worst thing that could happen is that files get crossed.


    At least that format would give you 16^32 different files, or 3.4e38.
    Excluding any possibly restricted filenames, that is still a lot.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 23 15:25:41 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-23 15:18, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 23, 2025 at 4:18:08 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-23 13:11, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-23 12:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    I'm wondering why some have those names and some have the shorter
    "IMG_###.jpg/heic" form...

    It could be that the IMG_### files were created before Apple switched to >>>>> UUIDs.

    I don't think that's it...

    Let me start up the LAN Drive software again.

    Yeah... ...looking at recent files on "DCIM", I see files mixed in
    together: UUID names and IMG_#### names.

    The first two with UUID names are files imported from others sources and >>>> then the IMG_#### named files that follow are pictures (and screenshots >>>> and screen recordings) taken on my iPhone.

    That seems to be a theme: items taken on my iPhone have IMG_#### names >>>> and items from other sources...

    ...INCLUDING FROM MY OWN OTHER iOS DEVICES...

    ...get UUID names.

    That makes sense, because photos imported from other devices definitely
    need to have universally unique names to avoid conflicts with photos
    that originated on the device.


    My thought exactly.

    :-)

    Ahh, I get it now. I was ONLY seeing the very long files names, because I am looking at DCIM on an iPad. ALL of these files came from iCloud, because I rarely take a picture using the iPad.

    So to test, I took a picture on my iPad. The new file is indeed IMG_0089.HEIC.

    So mystery solved, and there is a VERY good reason for the long file names.

    Yeah.

    It's almost like Apple knows what they're doing.

    ;-)

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 23 22:18:57 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 23, 2025 at 4:18:08 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-23 13:11, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-23 12:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    I'm wondering why some have those names and some have the shorter
    "IMG_###.jpg/heic" form...

    It could be that the IMG_### files were created before Apple switched to >>>> UUIDs.

    I don't think that's it...

    Let me start up the LAN Drive software again.

    Yeah... ...looking at recent files on "DCIM", I see files mixed in
    together: UUID names and IMG_#### names.

    The first two with UUID names are files imported from others sources and >>> then the IMG_#### named files that follow are pictures (and screenshots
    and screen recordings) taken on my iPhone.

    That seems to be a theme: items taken on my iPhone have IMG_#### names
    and items from other sources...

    ...INCLUDING FROM MY OWN OTHER iOS DEVICES...

    ...get UUID names.

    That makes sense, because photos imported from other devices definitely
    need to have universally unique names to avoid conflicts with photos
    that originated on the device.


    My thought exactly.

    :-)

    Ahh, I get it now. I was ONLY seeing the very long files names, because I am looking at DCIM on an iPad. ALL of these files came from iCloud, because I rarely take a picture using the iPad.

    So to test, I took a picture on my iPad. The new file is indeed IMG_0089.HEIC.

    So mystery solved, and there is a VERY good reason for the long file names.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 23 22:31:32 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 23, 2025 at 6:25:41 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-23 15:18, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 23, 2025 at 4:18:08 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-23 13:11, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-23 12:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    I'm wondering why some have those names and some have the shorter >>>>>>> "IMG_###.jpg/heic" form...

    It could be that the IMG_### files were created before Apple switched to >>>>>> UUIDs.

    I don't think that's it...

    Let me start up the LAN Drive software again.

    Yeah... ...looking at recent files on "DCIM", I see files mixed in
    together: UUID names and IMG_#### names.

    The first two with UUID names are files imported from others sources and >>>>> then the IMG_#### named files that follow are pictures (and screenshots >>>>> and screen recordings) taken on my iPhone.

    That seems to be a theme: items taken on my iPhone have IMG_#### names >>>>> and items from other sources...

    ...INCLUDING FROM MY OWN OTHER iOS DEVICES...

    ...get UUID names.

    That makes sense, because photos imported from other devices definitely >>>> need to have universally unique names to avoid conflicts with photos
    that originated on the device.


    My thought exactly.

    :-)

    Ahh, I get it now. I was ONLY seeing the very long files names, because I am
    looking at DCIM on an iPad. ALL of these files came from iCloud, because I >> rarely take a picture using the iPad.

    So to test, I took a picture on my iPad. The new file is indeed IMG_0089.HEIC.

    So mystery solved, and there is a VERY good reason for the long file names.

    Yeah.

    It's almost like Apple knows what they're doing.

    ;-)

    And again, its almost like Arlen doesn't know anything about anything. Look at how ridiculous his original post is in this thread. Trolling along as usual.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Thu Apr 24 04:22:48 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 22:31:32 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    doesn't know anything about anything

    Since r.p.d is involved, it behooves us to *UNDERSTAND* how dumb iOS is
    when it comes to the ability for iOS to use sane image-naming conventions.

    The senseless image naming is yet another obvious piece of evidence that
    iOS is designed to be nothing more than a (very) dumb terminal, and you
    Apple trolls actually agree since you're so desperate to excuse the proof.

    Bear in mind that my premise is not only that Apple coders are the bizarre equivalent of high-school dropouts, but that the proof that Apple designs
    the iOS device as a brain-dead dumb terminal is inherent in Apple's
    absurdly unfriendly non-customer-centric ridiculous image file naming.

    You Apple trolls can fabricate all the lame excuses in the world for why
    Apple designed the iOS operating system as a dumb terminal OS, but all your preposterous excuses don't change the fact no other operating system in the world forces its users to endure the grotesque naming conventions of Apple.

    The fact remains iOS creates ludicrously preposterous file names, and, iOS
    is so brain dead of a dumb terminal, that you can't change their default.

    The fact iOS is a dumb terminal is easily shown in this farcical reality.
    --
    It's no longer shocking how little Apple trolls understand of iOS.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Herbert Kleebauer on Thu Apr 24 04:30:25 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 08:32:23 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote :


    Seems they are using "Universally Unique IDentifiers" (UUIDs) (rfc9562)
    as file names:

    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9562

    Hi Herbert,

    You're intelligent, so I can converse with you on a level that is far and
    above that which the common Apple trolls can possibly comprehend.

    IMHO, most people don't understand iOS is designed, by Apple, to be nothing more than a dumb terminal - which *requires* logging into Apple's matrix servers to do the simplest of the most basic of the most common things.

    I do understand that. Not only because I'm intelligent.
    But because I have plenty of iOS devices.
    And therefore, I see what they do with respect to image naming conventions.

    And I point out this starkly obvious evidence you, yourself dug up, that
    shows iOS is designed as nothing more than a (very) dumb terminal.

    Apple's iOS is the only common consumer operating system that is designed
    to badly that it can't even use sensible consumer-friendly image names.

    While I'm well aware that iOS is nothing more than a (very) dumb terminal,
    I, for one, do not wish to endure Apple's grotesque naming conventions.

    Which is the reason, after all, for the technical question I posed herein.
    --
    Only one out of billions understand anything about Apple's core strategy.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Herbert Kleebauer on Thu Apr 24 04:55:35 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 22:34:03 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote :


    Hope that wasn't meant seriously. A smartphone is not a lifetime device,
    it is replaced every few years. And if you are not happy with your
    current device, choose a different type next time.

    If an immigrant could decide every 3 years in which country he wants
    to live, then nothing is wrong with the advice: try a different country
    next time if you are not happy with the USA.

    Hi Herbert,

    I try to speak to each person at the level of that person, if possible.

    I know you to be a purposefully helpful and knowledgeable individual, where
    I can easily tell you don't wish to dig into photofs, which is just fine.

    However, since I respect your knowledge, I do wish to say that I was
    serious, but perhaps I chose a poorly framed example to make my point.

    Bear in mind that I graduated with higher degrees and worked for decades in
    the Silicon Valley solving problems that didn't have obvious solutions.

    Along that vein, note that I have multiple iOS devices right beside me
    doing nothing other than testing how long it will be before Apple
    unilaterally bricks them, simply for me not logging into Cupertino.

    How many people know that Apple bricks your devices, Herbert?
    I'd wager only one in a billion. Right?

    Why do I know that, Herbert?
    Because I have Apple devices to test. And I test them.

    Why do I know the Apple trolls lied when they said iTunes backed up their
    IPAs, Herbert? Because I tested iTunes and it simply does not do that.

    Why do I know Apple trolls lied when they claimed, many times, that iOS
    could do something as simple as graphically debug Wi-Fi signal strength?

    Because I have iOS devices.

    Why do I know that iOS can't even run something as basic to anonymity as
    the Tor browser, Herbert? Because I have iOS devices to test, that's why.

    Also note that I volunteer multiple times a week at the local
    assisted-living centers, helping the residents utilize their devices.

    Many of them are on iOS.

    All of that would be impossible were I to ditch iOS simply because Apple designed iOS to be a (very) dumb terminal in terms of image naming.

    [3 quoted lines suppressed]

    Sorry, but I don't understand your problem. You don't like the file-naming
    on your iPhone. There are two easy solutions:

    - don't use an iPhone or
    - rename the file to names you like

    Again, I understand that you are rather intelligent, and I've read almost
    all (if not all) your posts on the a.c.o.w-10 newsgroup, so I know that
    you're a very helpful guy when it comes to writing excellent batch
    solutions (particularly those which avoid leaving command windows open).

    I know you care about the English language even, as you post to a.u.e and
    you wrote scripts that you posted to a.c.o.w-10 for spelling self
    improvement.

    for /f "tokens=*" %%i in (%spelltxtfile%) do call echo %%random%% %%i>>%spellerrfile%
    sort /o %spelltmpfile% %spellerrfile%
    del %spellerrfile%
    set /a ok=0
    set /a not_ok=0

    for /f "tokens=1*" %%i in (%spelltmpfile%) do call :sub %%j
    :end
    del speak.vbs
    del %spelltmpfile%
    echo.
    echo %ok% words correct, %not_ok% words incorrect
    echo.
    pause
    exit

    That's only a snippet, but I know you can solve problems when you feel
    those problems are worth solving - and so do I - so we're similar that way.

    You do NOT feel solving the problem of iOS being a dumb terminal in terms
    of file-naming conventions is worth it - and I completely understand you.

    Maybe it's not worth it. But maybe it is.
    You know, I suspect only one in a billion people (IMHO) know how to use
    iFuse with AFC to *write* to the iOS file system from Linux, Herbert.

    How did I learn?
    I couldn't ever have learned how if I didn't have iOS devices, right?

    Well, I think it's a similar thing here where it's obvious to everyone that
    iOS is designed as a dumb terminal with grotesque image-naming conventions.

    The main question in this thread, is whether photofs can solve that
    hideously unnatural problem of iOS' being designed so poorly that it is incapable of outputting image files with human-readable file names.

    Maybe iOS can be forced to put out non-outlandish monstrous file names.
    This ng has solved far more difficult problems than a simple file name.

    I suppose you already transfer the pictures to a PC for a backup.
    Rename the pictures on the PC (there are many renaming tools available
    or use a simple batch to do it). Select the pictures you want/need on
    your iPhone and copy them back with the new names.

    Well, I'm hoping to find someone who knows more than I do about how to get
    iOS to stop being a dumb terminal to get iOS to write normal file names.

    Don't laugh. It may very well be possible.
    Take for example how we were able to write to iOS over USB years ago.

    We did something like this (from memory) by way of critical example:
    Install Necessary Software:
    sudo apt-get install libimobiledevice-dev ifuse
    sudo apt-get install usbmuxd
    sudo systemctl enable --now usbmuxd
    Pair Your Device:
    Connect your iOS device to your Linux computer via USB.
    You might be prompted on your iOS device to "Trust This Computer."
    Make sure to tap "Trust."
    You can try to pair your device using idevicepair:

    idevicepair pair
    Create a Mount Point:
    Create a directory on your Linux system where you want to mount the iOS device's file system:

    mkdir ~/iphone_mount
    Mount the Device using iFuse:
    Use the ifuse command to mount your device to the created directory:

    ifuse ~/iphone_mount
    If this is successful, you should now be able to see some of your device's files and folders within the ~/iphone_mount directory.

    By default, you'll likely have access to the media directories (DCIM, etc.)
    and potentially application-specific "Documents" folders if the apps support file sharing.

    Writing Files:
    You can now attempt to write files to the mounted directories
    using standard Linux commands:

    cp my_document.pdf ~/iphone_mount/Documents/MyAppName/ # If the app 'MyAppName' supports file sharing
    or
    cp my_image.jpg ~/iphone_mount/DCIM/ # Might not allow direct writing in all subdirectories

    Important Considerations and Limitations:
    Permissions: Due to the sandboxed nature of AFC, you cannot typically
    write to arbitrary locations on the iOS file system using standard
    iFuse and AFC on a non-jailbroken device. You are generally restricted
    to specific directories designated for media or application file sharing.

    Application Support:
    Writing to an application's "Documents" folder will only work if the
    iOS application explicitly supports file sharing via iTunes File Sharing
    (which exposes these folders through AFC). You'll need to know the
    specific bundle identifier or folder name used by the app.

    The ifuse --list-apps command can sometimes help list applications
    and their identifiers.
    Jailbreaking (iFuse --root): If your iOS device is jailbroken
    and has the necessary AFC2 service installed, you might be able
    to mount the root file system with the --root option:

    sudo ifuse --root ~/iphone_mount

    gphoto2:
    For accessing photos, you might also see your iPhone mounted
    as a camera using the gphoto2:// protocol in some file managers.
    This is a separate mechanism from AFC but also allows transferring photos. Writing back to these locations might be limited.

    Troubleshooting: If you encounter issues, make sure usbmuxd is running,
    your device is trusted, and you have the necessary libimobiledevice
    and ifuse versions installed.

    Check the output of the ifuse command for any error messages.
    In summary, while iFuse allows you to interact with your iOS
    device's file system over USB using the AFC protocol on Linux,
    writing is generally restricted to specific media directories
    and application file-sharing folders on non-jailbroken devices.
    For broader write access, a jailbroken device with additional
    services might be required, but this comes with significant risks.
    --
    To understan an iOS device, is to understand why Apple designed
    it as a (very) dumb terminal, devoid of even basic capability.

    Like choosing the name of an image file out of the camera app.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Wed Apr 23 22:12:39 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-23 21:30, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 08:32:23 +0200, Herbert Kleebauer wrote :


    Seems they are using "Universally Unique IDentifiers" (UUIDs) (rfc9562)
    as file names:

    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9562

    Hi Herbert,

    You're intelligent, so I can converse with you on a level that is far and above that which the common Apple trolls can possibly comprehend.

    IMHO, most people don't understand iOS is designed, by Apple, to be nothing more than a dumb terminal - which *requires* logging into Apple's matrix servers to do the simplest of the most basic of the most common things.

    Utterly false.


    I do understand that. Not only because I'm intelligent.
    But because I have plenty of iOS devices.
    And therefore, I see what they do with respect to image naming conventions.

    And I point out this starkly obvious evidence you, yourself dug up, that shows iOS is designed as nothing more than a (very) dumb terminal.

    Apple's iOS is the only common consumer operating system that is designed
    to badly that it can't even use sensible consumer-friendly image names.

    While I'm well aware that iOS is nothing more than a (very) dumb terminal,
    I, for one, do not wish to endure Apple's grotesque naming conventions.

    Which is the reason, after all, for the technical question I posed herein.

    You want to use "naming conventions" as a replacement for comprehensive metadata.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Wed Apr 23 22:15:50 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-23 21:22, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 22:31:32 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    doesn't know anything about anything

    Since r.p.d is involved, it behooves us to *UNDERSTAND* how dumb iOS is
    when it comes to the ability for iOS to use sane image-naming conventions.

    The senseless image naming is yet another obvious piece of evidence that
    iOS is designed to be nothing more than a (very) dumb terminal, and you
    Apple trolls actually agree since you're so desperate to excuse the proof.

    No. It's a simple naming convention...

    ...because the images are created with a surfeit of metadata, so you
    don't NEED to use clever naming conventions.

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Arlen on Thu Apr 24 11:14:10 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 23, 2025, Arlen wrote
    (in article<vucep0$23sn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>):

    Not only because I'm intelligent

    It seems to me that your “intelligence” is deeply rooted in meth or ketamine or both.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bill W on Thu Apr 24 09:43:16 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-24 09:14, Bill W wrote:
    On Apr 23, 2025, Arlen wrote
    (in article<vucep0$23sn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>):

    Not only because I'm intelligent

    It seems to me that your “intelligence” is deeply rooted in meth or ketamine or both.


    Nah...

    Arlen is a perfect example of the idea that those who are most certain
    about a subject are almost always those who actually understand it least.

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Apr 24 12:55:10 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 24, 2025, Alan wrote
    (in article <vudpn4$1vtst$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2025-04-24 09:14, Bill W wrote:
    On Apr 23, 2025, Arlen wrote
    (in article<vucep0$23sn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>):

    Not only because I'm intelligent

    It seems to me that your “intelligence” is deeply rooted in meth or ketamine or both.

    Nah...

    Arlen is a perfect example of the idea that those who are most certain
    about a subject are almost always those who actually understand it least.

    He expends a lot of energy proving that over and over. I get tired trying to get through his logorrheic posts. And I hate iOS (I have an iPad and iPhone), but still can’t understand his purpose. There is good and bad to every OS
    out there. You either work around what you just can’t stomach, or drop that OS completely. Or, as others have said, just rename those photos...

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bill W on Thu Apr 24 11:12:25 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-24 10:55, Bill W wrote:
    On Apr 24, 2025, Alan wrote
    (in article <vudpn4$1vtst$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2025-04-24 09:14, Bill W wrote:
    On Apr 23, 2025, Arlen wrote
    (in article<vucep0$23sn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>):

    Not only because I'm intelligent

    It seems to me that your “intelligence” is deeply rooted in meth or
    ketamine or both.

    Nah...

    Arlen is a perfect example of the idea that those who are most certain
    about a subject are almost always those who actually understand it least.

    He expends a lot of energy proving that over and over. I get tired trying to get through his logorrheic posts. And I hate iOS (I have an iPad and iPhone), but still can’t understand his purpose. There is good and bad to every OS out there. You either work around what you just can’t stomach, or drop that OS completely. Or, as others have said, just rename those photos...


    Or just use the excellent tools that iOS (and macOS) provide to find
    photos by using the metadata.

    :-)

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