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Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg and I discussed this years ago and the problem with Android >> running an SMB server is the ports are 139 (SMB over NetBIOS) and 445 (SMB >> directly over TCP/IP) both of which are below 1024 and hence impossible on >> a non-rooted Android. Since 139 is deprecated, let's just talk about 445.
It's my understanding non jailbroken iOS has the exact same restrictions.
Windows expects SMB to be on port 445.
As per usual your understanding of iOS is lacking. There is no such restriction.
I use "LAN Drive Samba server" and these are the server settings: https://i.postimg.cc/8CK3h4bT/IMG-6999.jpg
Works just fine.
On Apr 16, 2025 at 2:35:09 AM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg and I discussed this years ago and the problem with Android >>> running an SMB server is the ports are 139 (SMB over NetBIOS) and 445 (SMB >>> directly over TCP/IP) both of which are below 1024 and hence impossible on >>> a non-rooted Android. Since 139 is deprecated, let's just talk about 445. >>>
It's my understanding non jailbroken iOS has the exact same restrictions. >>> Windows expects SMB to be on port 445.
As per usual your understanding of iOS is lacking. There is no such
restriction.
I use "LAN Drive Samba server" and these are the server settings:
https://i.postimg.cc/8CK3h4bT/IMG-6999.jpg
Works just fine.
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app.
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine. LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder.
On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such apps are available for Android as well.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
On 2025-04-16 07:22, Tyrone wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 2:35:09 AM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg and I discussed this years ago and the problem with Android >>>> running an SMB server is the ports are 139 (SMB over NetBIOS) and 445 (SMB >>>> directly over TCP/IP) both of which are below 1024 and hence impossible on >>>> a non-rooted Android. Since 139 is deprecated, let's just talk about 445. >>>>
It's my understanding non jailbroken iOS has the exact same restrictions. >>>> Windows expects SMB to be on port 445.
As per usual your understanding of iOS is lacking. There is no such
restriction.
I use "LAN Drive Samba server" and these are the server settings:
https://i.postimg.cc/8CK3h4bT/IMG-6999.jpg
Works just fine.
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with
read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app.
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >> using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine. >> LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder. >> On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just >> like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing >> this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they >> were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE. >> Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can >> move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such >> apps are available for Android as well.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Arlen will now come on and claim you're lying, because he "knows" that
it can't work.
:-)
On 2025-04-16, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 1:54:29 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-04-16 07:22, Tyrone wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 2:35:09 AM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg and I discussed this years ago and the problem with Android
running an SMB server is the ports are 139 (SMB over NetBIOS) and 445 (SMB
directly over TCP/IP) both of which are below 1024 and hence impossible on
a non-rooted Android. Since 139 is deprecated, let's just talk about 445.
It's my understanding non jailbroken iOS has the exact same restrictions.
Windows expects SMB to be on port 445.
As per usual your understanding of iOS is lacking. There is no such
restriction.
I use "LAN Drive Samba server" and these are the server settings:
https://i.postimg.cc/8CK3h4bT/IMG-6999.jpg
Works just fine.
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with >>>> read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app. >>>>
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to >>>> \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad
SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >>>> using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine.
LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder. >>>> On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just >>>> like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing
this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they
were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can
move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such
apps are available for Android as well.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Arlen will now come on and claim you're lying, because he "knows" that
it can't work.
:-)
No doubt. More "Imaginary Functionality". When all he has to do is use one of
his MANY iOS devices and try it.
Because his track record of things he "knows" about iOS is SO good. Like the
classic "Even if only 1 line of code is changed in iOS, Apple rebuilds and >> sends the ENTIRE iOS to everyone.
Nevermind that some iOS updates are 40MB and some are 5GB.
Not to mention how many times this topic has shifted. First it was "its
impossible to send a photo from Windows to iOS without using the internet". >> That, of course, was an absurd lie.
Now we are at "How do nonroot Android & nonjailbroken iOS run SMB servers to >> connect to each other & Windows?". Of course this works fine, there are
several apps to do this. I have also tried FSharing from the App Store.
What he knows about iOS couldn't fill a thimble.
Well I'll have you know badgolferman says Arlen apologized to him for something in the past, so we should all just forget all of this and treat Arlen like he /doesn't/ regularly insult Apple users for daring to use a product he has a personal (and irrational) hatred for. 😉
On Apr 16, 2025 at 1:54:29 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-04-16 07:22, Tyrone wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 2:35:09 AM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg and I discussed this years ago and the problem with Android
running an SMB server is the ports are 139 (SMB over NetBIOS) and 445 (SMB
directly over TCP/IP) both of which are below 1024 and hence impossible on
a non-rooted Android. Since 139 is deprecated, let's just talk about 445. >>>>>
It's my understanding non jailbroken iOS has the exact same restrictions. >>>>> Windows expects SMB to be on port 445.
As per usual your understanding of iOS is lacking. There is no such
restriction.
I use "LAN Drive Samba server" and these are the server settings:
https://i.postimg.cc/8CK3h4bT/IMG-6999.jpg
Works just fine.
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with
read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app.
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >>> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >>> using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine. >>> LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder. >>> On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just >>> like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing >>> this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they
were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can >>> move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such >>> apps are available for Android as well.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Arlen will now come on and claim you're lying, because he "knows" that
it can't work.
:-)
No doubt. More "Imaginary Functionality". When all he has to do is use one of
his MANY iOS devices and try it.
Because his track record of things he "knows" about iOS is SO good. Like the classic "Even if only 1 line of code is changed in iOS, Apple rebuilds and sends the ENTIRE iOS to everyone.
Nevermind that some iOS updates are 40MB and some are 5GB.
Not to mention how many times this topic has shifted. First it was "its impossible to send a photo from Windows to iOS without using the internet". That, of course, was an absurd lie.
Now we are at "How do nonroot Android & nonjailbroken iOS run SMB servers to connect to each other & Windows?". Of course this works fine, there are several apps to do this. I have also tried FSharing from the App Store.
What he knows about iOS couldn't fill a thimble.
No doubt. More "Imaginary Functionality". When all he has to do is use one of
his MANY iOS devices and try it.
Because his track record of things he "knows" about iOS is SO good. Like the classic "Even if only 1 line of code is changed in iOS, Apple rebuilds and sends the ENTIRE iOS to everyone.
Nevermind that some iOS updates are 40MB and some are 5GB.
Not to mention how many times this topic has shifted. First it was "its impossible to send a photo from Windows to iOS without using the internet". That, of course, was an absurd lie.
Now we are at "How do nonroot Android & nonjailbroken iOS run SMB servers to connect to each other & Windows?". Of course this works fine, there are several apps to do this. I have also tried FSharing from the App Store.
What he knows about iOS couldn't fill a thimble.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >> using port 445.
But it can't be. lol.
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 22:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >>> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >>> using port 445.
But it can't be. lol.
I'm always logically sensible and reasonable, and if I make a mistake, I
own up to it - but more to the point - I look for proven facts before I
make my assessments of those facts.
All the triumphant insults by the normal Apple users aside, the technical question to resolve is what port do the iOS/Android SMB servers use?
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:11:17 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
No doubt. More "Imaginary Functionality". When all he has to do is
use one of his MANY iOS devices and try it.
I'm always logical where the fact it works says NOTHING about what
port it uses, especially if it's using port-forwarding redirection
tricks to do it.
We'd need something like a wireshark scan to know for sure the actual
port.
What you Apple trolls don't know about iOS updates would fill a lake.
Not to mention how many times this topic has shifted. First it was "its
impossible to send a photo from Windows to iOS without using the internet". >> That, of course, was an absurd lie.
I'll always be sensible and logical
I have no vested interest in defending Apple's honori
you religious zealots
How do we figure out what PORT is being used when SMB servers are employed
on both iOS and Android? Anyone have an idea how to prove the port used?
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 2:35:09 AM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg and I discussed this years ago and the problem with Android >>>> running an SMB server is the ports are 139 (SMB over NetBIOS) and 445 (SMB >>>> directly over TCP/IP) both of which are below 1024 and hence impossible on >>>> a non-rooted Android. Since 139 is deprecated, let's just talk about 445. >>>>
It's my understanding non jailbroken iOS has the exact same restrictions. >>>> Windows expects SMB to be on port 445.
As per usual your understanding of iOS is lacking. There is no such
restriction.
I use "LAN Drive Samba server" and these are the server settings:
https://i.postimg.cc/8CK3h4bT/IMG-6999.jpg
Works just fine.
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow.
Yeah, it's restricted to get you to buy the full version.
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with
read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app.
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >> using port 445.
But it can't be. lol.
I can guarantee you Arlen will now go quiet for a few days and completely ignore this topic. He'll start something else.
Because he will *never accept he's wrong* from people he's labelled as
being trolls.
On Apr 16, 2025 at 6:00:00 PM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 2:35:09 AM EDT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I use "LAN Drive Samba server" and these are the server settings:
https://i.postimg.cc/8CK3h4bT/IMG-6999.jpg
Works just fine.
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of
slow.
Yeah, it's restricted to get you to buy the full version.
Yes, I get that. BTW what is the cost? I don't see it mentioned
anywhere.
But it can't be. lol.
I know. Hilarious, sad and pathetic all at the same time.
I can guarantee you Arlen will now go quiet for a few days and
completely ignore this topic. He'll start something else.
He NEVER goes quiet. He is already back claiming that it is now SO
VERY important that we figure out what port this is using.
But it clearly IS using 445 since (1) it shows that it is using 445
and (2) the standard Windows "Map Network Drive" dialog works fine.
But it CAN'T be 445 because Arlen KNOWS it can't be. "His understanding" is the way all things work.
Because he will *never accept he's wrong* from people he's labelled as
being trolls.
Yup. Never.
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 22:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >>> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >>> using port 445.
But it can't be. lol.
I'm always logically sensible and reasonable, and if I make a mistake, I
own up to it - but more to the point - I look for proven facts before I
make my assessments of those facts.
That's the fundamental difference between a normal person & an Apple troll. Apple trolls are what they are because they guess at everything.
They're herd animals to the core.
It's a protective mechanism because they can't resolve fact from fiction.
So they assume the herd, en masse, does what they themselves, can't do.
First off, this wouldn't be the first time Apple trolls "claimed" something that they "saw" thinking it proved what they didn't bother to understand.
Witness, for example, the infamous Snit (with Jolly Roger & nospam's +1)
*2-1/2 minute Snit video purportedly detailing iOS showing Wi-Fi decibels*
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!
From: Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> === Michael Glasser
REFERENCE: Oct 10, 2017, 8:50:05 AM
*It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>
That video, which JR & nospam high-fived, proves none of the Apple trolls ever learned the the difference between a MegabitPerSecond & a Decibel.
It's almost certainly a similar logical fallacy at work here.
a. We know the SMB servers work
b. But we also are aware they can't use ports below 1024 (AFAICT)
c. So redirection is most likely what's really going on under the covers
All the triumphant insults by the Apple trolls aside, the technical
question to resolve is what port do the iOS/Android SMB servers use?
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 7:19:28 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 22:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to >>>>> \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad
SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS
using port 445.
But it can't be. lol.
I'm always logically sensible and reasonable, and if I make a mistake, I >>> own up to it - but more to the point - I look for proven facts before I
make my assessments of those facts.
Uh huh. Sure. I have NEVER seen you admit to being wrong.
Question. Do you STILL claim that "Even if only 1 line of code is changed, >> Apple still rebuilds the entire iOS system and sends that to all users"? Even
though some iOS updates and 50MB and some are 6GB?
All the triumphant insults by the normal Apple users aside, the technical >>> question to resolve is what port do the iOS/Android SMB servers use?
Why does that even matter? It clearly IS using 445, because the standard
Windows "Map Network Drive" works.
Not very familiar with Windows, but on a mac you can specify the port when connecting to a network share. Only port 445 works with this server.
Apple also list the ports they commonly use: https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
But it clearly IS using 445 since (1) it shows that it is using 445 and (2) the standard Windows "Map Network Drive" dialog works fine.
Notice how little Arlen ignores the fact that I already posted proof
showing an iOS SMB server using the standard port on iOS.
No you don't. You look for anything that you try and squirm away from the facts when they don't match your anti-Apple bias.
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 7:19:28 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 22:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to >>>>> \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad
SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS
using port 445.
But it can't be. lol.
I'm always logically sensible and reasonable, and if I make a mistake, I >>> own up to it - but more to the point - I look for proven facts before I
make my assessments of those facts.
Uh huh. Sure. I have NEVER seen you admit to being wrong.
Question. Do you STILL claim that "Even if only 1 line of code is changed, >> Apple still rebuilds the entire iOS system and sends that to all users"? Even
though some iOS updates and 50MB and some are 6GB?
All the triumphant insults by the normal Apple users aside, the technical >>> question to resolve is what port do the iOS/Android SMB servers use?
Why does that even matter? It clearly IS using 445, because the standard
Windows "Map Network Drive" works.
Not very familiar with Windows, but on a mac you can specify the port when connecting to a network share. Only port 445 works with this server.
Apple also list the ports they commonly use: https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
On 2025-04-16 23:04, Chris wrote:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 16, 2025 at 7:19:28 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 22:00:00 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to >>>>>> \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad
SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS
using port 445.
But it can't be. lol.
I'm always logically sensible and reasonable, and if I make a mistake, I >>>> own up to it - but more to the point - I look for proven facts before I >>>> make my assessments of those facts.
Uh huh. Sure. I have NEVER seen you admit to being wrong.
Question. Do you STILL claim that "Even if only 1 line of code is changed, >>> Apple still rebuilds the entire iOS system and sends that to all users"? Even
though some iOS updates and 50MB and some are 6GB?
All the triumphant insults by the normal Apple users aside, the technical >>>> question to resolve is what port do the iOS/Android SMB servers use?
Why does that even matter? It clearly IS using 445, because the standard >>> Windows "Map Network Drive" works.
Not very familiar with Windows, but on a mac you can specify the port when >> connecting to a network share. Only port 445 works with this server.
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
The point is moot.
Arlen is only arguing about the port because he can't accept that he was wrong and then wrong again.
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 01:16:06 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
But it clearly IS using 445 since (1) it shows that it is using 445 and (2) >> the standard Windows "Map Network Drive" dialog works fine.
I use "Map Network Drive" all day, every day, with Android/Windows Tyrone.
My entire Android phone is mounted as a Windows drive letter using it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/BvJdKWzt/webdav06.jpg> Both sdcards mounted
The fact I can "Map Network Drive" doesn't prove anything about the port.
<https://i.postimg.cc/k5F8sLbc/filesys01.jpg> Starting WebDAV servers
<https://i.postimg.cc/RZtw6WC2/filesys02.jpg> Mount Android system filesys
<https://i.postimg.cc/Zngy0SGT/filesys03.jpg> Look at /etc/resolv.conf
Since you map network drive also, what is it you claim it's telling us
about the port that was used by the server?
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 05:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
No you don't. You look for anything that you try and squirm away from the
facts when they don't match your anti-Apple bias.
Chris,
I'm digging for the answer - like an intelligent person should.
Yet I'm well aware of how Apple users think, which is that only Apple can (magically) do the impossible. It's a defining feature of all Apple users.
Another defining feature of all Apple users is they have no idea how
anything works. That's also what makes Apple users what they are.
I'm digging for the answer - like an intelligent person should.
No. An intelligent person would accept the facts. A petulant child would remain in denial.
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
net use Z: \\my-iphone.local\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
Yet I'm well aware of how Apple users think, which is that only Apple can
(magically) do the impossible. It's a defining feature of all Apple users.
Why is this impossible? Do you think it is hard coded into Unix forever that no one can ever use port 445? Do you think Apple can't change anything they want? In their own source code?
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
Another defining feature of all Apple users is they have no idea how
anything works. That's also what makes Apple users what they are.
I know exactly how this works. I have been networking computers since before you were born. The only troll here is you, claiming it can't work because YOU say it can't work. Circular logic much?
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
You even admitted that Windows SMB needs port 445. The app SHOWS it is using port 445.
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
Therefore, it IS using port 445.
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
AGAIN, why don't you DL the app "LAN Drive SMB Server" and try it? BTW this app has existed for a least 6 years. So this is not a new solution.
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
Why are you always claiming something is "impossible" that you yourself have never tried? Remember, you ALSO said it was "impossible to copy a photo from Windows to iOS without using internet servers".
Do you STILL cling to that absurd claim? As we proved, it not only CAN be done, but it is easy to do using built-in functionality in both Windows and iOS.
Of course, after proving that claim to be wrong, you moved the goal posts by stating "No, I meant that I want to do all file moves FROM Windows. But that is impossible".
And here we are, proving that it IS possible by using an SMB Server app on iOS. And yet you are still claiming it is "impossible", only because you say it is "impossible".
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
Now, you are AGAIN changing the "issue" into "What port can this app be using?
It CAN'T be port 445 because I say so".
Which is just more deflection away from you being wrong twice about moving files between Windows and iOS. But keep on digging that hole. In a couple more
days you will have been proven wrong 3 times.
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
What will your next deflection be? "What I REALLY want is to pretend it is 2005 and do all of this over a USB cable"?
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswd
net use Z: \\192.168.1.24:445\SharedFiles /user:tyrone mypasswdIf you are correct, then that command should report it succeeded. Right?
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 01:16:06 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
But it clearly IS using 445 since (1) it shows that it is using 445 and (2) >> the standard Windows "Map Network Drive" dialog works fine.
I use "Map Network Drive" all day, every day, with Android/Windows Tyrone.
My entire Android phone is mounted as a Windows drive letter using it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/BvJdKWzt/webdav06.jpg> Both sdcards mounted
The fact I can "Map Network Drive" doesn't prove anything about the port.
<https://i.postimg.cc/k5F8sLbc/filesys01.jpg> Starting WebDAV servers
<https://i.postimg.cc/RZtw6WC2/filesys02.jpg> Mount Android system filesys
<https://i.postimg.cc/Zngy0SGT/filesys03.jpg> Look at /etc/resolv.conf
Since you map network drive also, what is it you claim it's telling us
about the port that was used by the server?
On 17 Apr 2025 00:44:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Notice how little Arlen ignores the fact that I already posted proof
showing an iOS SMB server using the standard port on iOS.
Yeah, and Snit
What's really happening is none of you Apple trolls understands anything. It's a defining feature of Apple trolls.
But I'm not yet saying I know any more than you doi
I know Android & iOS are not binding to any port below 1024 without
being rooted.
So at this point, the main thing I know that you don't know, is that you're wrong (and you're so blissfully sure that you're right, that you'll never figure out how it works
you ignorant Apple trolls
you Apple trolls
you're Apple trolls.
You're so stupid
you're so stupid
you imagine iOS does the impossible.
Prove me wrong.
(HINT: Remember that Snit video which you, Jolly Roger, applauded.)
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
[...]
[About "LAN Drive Samba server" on iOS:]
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with
read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app.
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >> using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine. >> LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder. >> On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just >> like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing >> this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they >> were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE. >> Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can >> move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such >> apps are available for Android as well.
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available
on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS
can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Which also closes another open question (control a Windows<->iOS copy *from* Windows).
What was the thing with birds and a stone again!? :-)
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app.
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine. LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder.
On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such apps are available for Android as well.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
[...]
[About "LAN Drive Samba server" on iOS:]
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with
read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app.
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >> using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine. >> LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder. >> On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just >> like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing >> this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they >> were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE. >> Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can >> move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such >> apps are available for Android as well.
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available
on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS
can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Which also closes another open question (control a Windows<->iOS copy *from* Windows).
What was the thing with birds and a stone again!? :-)
On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:57:20 PM EDT, "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote in How Do nonroot Android...:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
[...]
[About "LAN Drive Samba server" on iOS:]
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with
read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app.
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to
\\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad >>> SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >>> using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine. >>> LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder. >>> On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just >>> like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing >>> this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they
were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can >>> move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such >>> apps are available for Android as well.
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available
on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS
can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Which also closes another open question (control a Windows<->iOS copy
*from* Windows).
What was the thing with birds and a stone again!? :-)
Arlen, are you going to FINALLY admit that you are wrong? The limitation of Server ports below 1024 is an Android limitation. NOT iOS. Get it now?
LAN Drive SMB Server does - in fact - use port 445. Just like we have been telling you. If you actually had a single iOS device, you could have tested it yourself.
But I suspect you will keep on digging that hole, because you are halfway to China already. So why stop now.
On 2025-04-17, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:57:20 PM EDT, "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote in How Do nonroot Android...:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
[...]
[About "LAN Drive Samba server" on iOS:]
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with >>>> read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app. >>>>
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to >>>> \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad
SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS >>>> using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine.
LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder. >>>> On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just >>>> like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing
this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they
were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can
move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such
apps are available for Android as well.
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available >>> on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS
can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Which also closes another open question (control a Windows<->iOS copy
*from* Windows).
What was the thing with birds and a stone again!? :-)
Arlen, are you going to FINALLY admit that you are wrong? The limitation of >> Server ports below 1024 is an Android limitation. NOT iOS. Get it now?
LAN Drive SMB Server does - in fact - use port 445. Just like we have been >> telling you. If you actually had a single iOS device, you could have tested >> it yourself.
But I suspect you will keep on digging that hole, because you are halfway to >> China already. So why stop now.
Or he'll just slink away for a while hoping everyone will forget about
this, only to return with a new unrelated troll. 😉
On Apr 17, 2025 at 5:12:32 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2025-04-17, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:57:20 PM EDT, "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote in How Do nonroot Android...:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
[...]
[About "LAN Drive Samba server" on iOS:]
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with >>>>> read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app. >>>>>
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to >>>>> \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad
SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS
using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine.
LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder.
On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just
like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing
this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they
were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can
move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such
apps are available for Android as well.
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available >>>> on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS >>>> can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Which also closes another open question (control a Windows<->iOS copy >>>> *from* Windows).
What was the thing with birds and a stone again!? :-)
Arlen, are you going to FINALLY admit that you are wrong? The limitation of >>> Server ports below 1024 is an Android limitation. NOT iOS. Get it now? >>>
LAN Drive SMB Server does - in fact - use port 445. Just like we have been >>> telling you. If you actually had a single iOS device, you could have tested
it yourself.
But I suspect you will keep on digging that hole, because you are halfway to
China already. So why stop now.
Or he'll just slink away for a while hoping everyone will forget about
this, only to return with a new unrelated troll. 😉
Still, it is nice to have beaten him into submission. If only for a day. Because everyone reading this knows who was right and who IS the troll.
Prediction: his next fallback position will be "This server port restriction obviously changed very recently. Because it never worked before". Nevermind that the app we are using is at least 6 years old.
On 2025-04-17, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2025 at 5:12:32 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2025-04-17, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:57:20 PM EDT, "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote in How Do nonroot Android...:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
[...]
[About "LAN Drive Samba server" on iOS:]
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with >>>>>> read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app. >>>>>>
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to >>>>>> \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad
SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS
using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine.
LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder.
On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just
like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing
this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they
were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can
move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such
apps are available for Android as well.
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available >>>>> on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS >>>>> can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Which also closes another open question (control a Windows<->iOS copy >>>>> *from* Windows).
What was the thing with birds and a stone again!? :-)
Arlen, are you going to FINALLY admit that you are wrong? The limitation of
Server ports below 1024 is an Android limitation. NOT iOS. Get it now? >>>>
LAN Drive SMB Server does - in fact - use port 445. Just like we have been >>>> telling you. If you actually had a single iOS device, you could have tested
it yourself.
But I suspect you will keep on digging that hole, because you are halfway to
China already. So why stop now.
Or he'll just slink away for a while hoping everyone will forget about
this, only to return with a new unrelated troll. 😉
Still, it is nice to have beaten him into submission. If only for a day.
Because everyone reading this knows who was right and who IS the troll.
badgolferman would like a word...
On 2025-04-17 14:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2025-04-17, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2025 at 5:12:32 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2025-04-17, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:57:20 PM EDT, "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote in How Do nonroot Android...:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
[...]
[About "LAN Drive Samba server" on iOS:]
That is one of the apps I looked at yesterday.
So I installed it today. The free version works fine, but is sort of slow. I
was able to start the server on an iPad and create a user account with >>>>>>> read/write access. The folder it creates is a folder in the Files app. >>>>>>>
BTW the "localhost" in the picture above is just the default name used for the
iPad/iPhone. I changed that to "ipad1'.
I then did a standard "Map Network Drive" in Windows 11. I connected to >>>>>>> \\ipad1\LANDrive". I entered my name and password (that I setup on the iPad
SMB Server). All very standard Windows networking stuff. So it clearly IS
using port 445.
I then transferred a random PDF file from Windows to the iPad. Worked fine.
LAN Drive Samba Server also gives you access to DCIM on the iPad. Yes, you can
copy photos from the iPad to Windows. Note that the iPad appears as a mapped
drive on Windows. I used drive letter X.
I then moved a file in the Files app on the iPad into the LANDrive folder.
On Windows 11, I was able to see and copy this file over to Windows. Just
like any network drive.
The DCIM access appears to be read only. At least, in 30 minutes of testing
this app, I don't see a way to get write access. But you DO have access to it.
So, the Apple-hating trolls can lose more sleep. Yet ANOTHER thing that they
were absolutely SURE could not be done (because "iOS is a toy") CAN BE DONE.
Direct transfers between iOS and Android is possible. You can access the DCIM
folder. You CAN map an iPad/iPhone as a drive letter on Windows, so you can
move files back and forth FROM Windows instead of FROM iOS. Certainly such
apps are available for Android as well.
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available
on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS >>>>>> can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Which also closes another open question (control a Windows<->iOS copy >>>>>> *from* Windows).
What was the thing with birds and a stone again!? :-)
Arlen, are you going to FINALLY admit that you are wrong? The limitation of
Server ports below 1024 is an Android limitation. NOT iOS. Get it now? >>>>>
LAN Drive SMB Server does - in fact - use port 445. Just like we have been
telling you. If you actually had a single iOS device, you could have tested
it yourself.
But I suspect you will keep on digging that hole, because you are halfway to
China already. So why stop now.
Or he'll just slink away for a while hoping everyone will forget about >>>> this, only to return with a new unrelated troll. 😉
Still, it is nice to have beaten him into submission. If only for a day. >>> Because everyone reading this knows who was right and who IS the troll.
badgolferman would like a word...
His name is "lickspittle" or "toadie", please!
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available
on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS
can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
As I said yesterday, all that is needed is an SMB Server.
Which also closes another open question (control a Windows<->iOS copy *from* Windows).
On 17 Apr 2025 17:57:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
No, such apps (SMB servers which can use port 445) are *not* available
on Android!
That's why 'Arlen' can't handle your facts, because in this case, iOS
can do something which (non-rooted) Android can not.
Android servers (of any type) can not use ports below 1024.
Hi Frank,
The only thing that matters to me is that my beliefs are based on facts.
If someone can explain why "net use Z:" mounts Android as a Windows drive letter when I use a WebDav server on Android, but the same command doesn't mount Android as a drive letter when I use SMB, I'd love to know why.
On Apr 18, 2025 at 12:25:07 AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
If someone can explain why "net use Z:" mounts Android as a Windows drive
letter when I use a WebDav server on Android, but the same command doesn't >> mount Android as a drive letter when I use SMB, I'd love to know why.
Because there is no SMB (port 445) server running on Android. Android does not
allow anyone to use port 445 for servers. iOS does. WebDav is using port 8080. That's why it works on Android.
If someone can explain why "net use Z:" mounts Android as a Windows drive
letter when I use a WebDav server on Android, but the same command doesn't >> mount Android as a drive letter when I use SMB, I'd love to know why.
Because there is no SMB (port 445) server running on Android. Android does not
allow anyone to use port 445 for servers. iOS does. WebDav is using port 8080. That's why it works on Android.
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 18:35:32 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
If someone can explain why "net use Z:" mounts Android as a Windows drive >>> letter when I use a WebDav server on Android, but the same command doesn't >>> mount Android as a drive letter when I use SMB, I'd love to know why.
Because there is no SMB (port 445) server running on Android. Android does not
allow anyone to use port 445 for servers. iOS does. WebDav is using port
8080. That's why it works on Android.
Hi Tyrone,
Thanks for helping out on this thread, where you and Crhis were the only people, other than me, who did any work to solve teh question being asked.
On Apr 18, 2025 at 12:25:07?AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
If someone can explain why "net use Z:" mounts Android as a Windows drive letter when I use a WebDav server on Android, but the same command doesn't mount Android as a drive letter when I use SMB, I'd love to know why.
Because there is no SMB (port 445) server running on Android. Android does not
allow anyone to use port 445 for servers. iOS does. WebDav is using port 8080. That's why it works on Android.
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 18:35:32 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
If someone can explain why "net use Z:" mounts Android as a Windows drive >>> letter when I use a WebDav server on Android, but the same command doesn't >>> mount Android as a drive letter when I use SMB, I'd love to know why.
Because there is no SMB (port 445) server running on Android. Android does not
allow anyone to use port 445 for servers. iOS does. WebDav is using port
8080. That's why it works on Android.
Hi Tyrone,
Thanks for helping out on this thread, where you and Crhis were the only people, other than me, who did any work to solve teh question being asked.
As a result of our efforts, the rest of the group has learned a ton.
Which is exactly how Uenet is supposed to work as a team.
So I thank you very much for all your effort & patience in testing SMB.
I'm not a network expert by any stretch of the imagination, so I will defer to your greater knowledge level, but just to add value to this
conversation, I had long ago compiled a listing of the available free SMB servers on Android with information from Frank Slootweg and others, oh,
maybe five years ago.
Here is that listing.
But I do not know how many of these are still developed.
Free Android SMB Servers:
SimbaDroid (Open Source)
https://github.com/buttercookie42/SimbaDroid
SMB Version(s): SMBv1, SMBv2, SMBv3
Note: This app does not require root.
Notes: No user authentication; intended for trusted networks.
Source: https://xdaforums.com/t/app-4-0-3-no-root-lan-drive-samba-filesharing-server-smb1-and-smb2.3790945/page-12#post-90056889
Samba Server for Android (deprecated)
SMB Version(s): SMBv1, SMBv2 (no SMBv3 support) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.j4velin.samba
Note: Root not required.
Droid NAS
SMB Version(s): SMBv1 only https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ragingdev.droidnas
Note: This app likely requires root.
SimbaDroid (Open Source)
https://github.com/buttercookie42/SimbaDroid
SMB Version(s): SMBv1, SMBv2, SMBv3
Note: This app does not require root.
It does, if you want to use the default port - and getting Windows to
connect to port 4550 is not that simple:
"Due to Android limitations, this app requires root (as on all Unixoid operating systems, it is not possible to open a port < 1024 otherwise,
and the default SMB port is 445 and Windows doesn't work with anything
else). Without root, you either need some sort of SMB client which
allows configuring the port used (SimbaDroid uses port 4450 behind the scenes), or some kind of port mapping software to allow Windows to transparently connect to port 4450."
Many apps - and all have same issue: you can not open a port below 1024
for servers without root access. And not every SMB client is able to use custom ports above 1024.
Marion, 2025-04-19 03:21:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 18:35:32 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
If someone can explain why "net use Z:" mounts Android as a Windows drive >>>> letter when I use a WebDav server on Android, but the same command doesn't >>>> mount Android as a drive letter when I use SMB, I'd love to know why.
Because there is no SMB (port 445) server running on Android. Android does not
allow anyone to use port 445 for servers. iOS does. WebDav is using port >>> 8080. That's why it works on Android.
Hi Tyrone,
Thanks for helping out on this thread, where you and Crhis were the only
people, other than me, who did any work to solve teh question being asked. >>
As a result of our efforts, the rest of the group has learned a ton.
Which is exactly how Uenet is supposed to work as a team.
So I thank you very much for all your effort & patience in testing SMB.
I'm not a network expert by any stretch of the imagination, so I will defer >> to your greater knowledge level, but just to add value to this
conversation, I had long ago compiled a listing of the available free SMB
servers on Android with information from Frank Slootweg and others, oh,
maybe five years ago.
Here is that listing.
But I do not know how many of these are still developed.
Free Android SMB Servers:
SimbaDroid (Open Source)
https://github.com/buttercookie42/SimbaDroid
SMB Version(s): SMBv1, SMBv2, SMBv3
Note: This app does not require root.
It does, if you want to use the default port - and getting Windows to
connect to port 4550 is not that simple:
"Due to Android limitations, this app requires root (as on all Unixoid operating systems, it is not possible to open a port < 1024 otherwise,
and the default SMB port is 445 and Windows doesn't work with anything
else). Without root, you either need some sort of SMB client which
allows configuring the port used (SimbaDroid uses port 4450 behind the scenes), or some kind of port mapping software to allow Windows to transparently connect to port 4450."
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
What? Actual documentation from Apple?
No, it CAN'T be.
Is not iOS an unixoid system inside? It is based on Darwin, which is an open-source Unix-like operating system developed by Apple. It should
have the same limitation binding to ports below 1024 for user apps. That
it doesn't is interesting.
Apple also list the ports they commonly use: https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Lies and schoolyard insults are all
you have to offer this newsgroup.
On 17 Apr 2025 17:02:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Lies and schoolyard insults are all you have to offer this newsgroup.
:)
I get it that your whole life people told you that you were stupid,
Jolly Roger, and I get it that you told us you never could earn your
GED either.
I feel sorry for you, Jolly Roger. I really do.
I graduated from the finest schools in the country and retired early
from decades of working in the silicon valley at highly technical
software companies working on the toughest problems known to mankind
Jolly Roger.
You barely made it through high school. Your whole life you've been a
herd animal trying to compensate for your lack of ability to analyze
things.
In this case, Tyrone & Chris were correct. You simply followed the
herd. This time you were correct. I'm *happy* for you Jolly Roger.
I love when you post though, as I never filter you. I filter Snit.
I filter Jolly Roger. I filter Joerg Lorenz. But I do not filter you.
Apple also list the ports they commonly use: https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
On 2025-04-22 03:44, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
"Due to Android limitations, this app requires root (as on all Unixoid
operating systems, it is not possible to open a port < 1024 otherwise,
and the default SMB port is 445 and Windows doesn't work with anything
else). Without root, you either need some sort of SMB client which
allows configuring the port used (SimbaDroid uses port 4450 behind the
scenes), or some kind of port mapping software to allow Windows to
transparently connect to port 4450."
Is not iOS an unixoid system inside? It is based on Darwin, which is an open-source Unix-like operating system developed by Apple. It should
have the same limitation binding to ports below 1024 for user apps. That
it doesn't is interesting.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 03:44:54 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :[...]
Many apps - and all have same issue: you can not open a port below 1024
for servers without root access. And not every SMB client is able to use
custom ports above 1024.
Thanks for being another voice where there are three "facts" at this point. 1. It turns out that iOS apps, nonjailbroken, can bind to privileged ports
2. Yet, we all always kind of sort of knew Android apps, nonrooted, cannot
3. Even so, SMB server apps exist on both iOS & Android platforms
Marion, 2025-04-22 04:06:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 03:44:54 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :[...]
Many apps - and all have same issue: you can not open a port below 1024
for servers without root access. And not every SMB client is able to use >>> custom ports above 1024.
Thanks for being another voice where there are three "facts" at this point. >> 1. It turns out that iOS apps, nonjailbroken, can bind to privileged ports
No. iOS has the same limitation. User installable apps can not use ports below 1024.
Not true on iOS.2. Yet, we all always kind of sort of knew Android apps, nonrooted, cannot >> 3. Even so, SMB server apps exist on both iOS & Android platforms
Yes, but only using NON STANDARD PORTS!
Carlos E.R., 2025-04-22 07:25:
On 2025-04-22 03:44, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
"Due to Android limitations, this app requires root (as on all Unixoid
operating systems, it is not possible to open a port < 1024 otherwise,
and the default SMB port is 445 and Windows doesn't work with anything
else). Without root, you either need some sort of SMB client which
allows configuring the port used (SimbaDroid uses port 4450 behind the
scenes), or some kind of port mapping software to allow Windows to
transparently connect to port 4450."
Is not iOS an unixoid system inside? It is based on Darwin, which is an
open-source Unix-like operating system developed by Apple. It should
have the same limitation binding to ports below 1024 for user apps. That
it doesn't is interesting.
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Chris, 2025-04-17 08:04:
[...]
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Sure - things like SSH or HTTP use ports below 1024 - so what? That does
not mean you can install and run an *APP* on iOS which does this.
Chris, 2025-04-17 08:04:
[...]
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Sure - things like SSH or HTTP use ports below 1024 - so what? That does
not mean you can install and run an *APP* on iOS which does this.
Marion, 2025-04-22 04:06:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 03:44:54 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :[...]
Many apps - and all have same issue: you can not open a port below 1024
for servers without root access. And not every SMB client is able to use >>> custom ports above 1024.
Thanks for being another voice where there are three "facts" at this point. >> 1. It turns out that iOS apps, nonjailbroken, can bind to privileged ports
No. iOS has the same limitation. User installable apps can not use ports below 1024.
2. Yet, we all always kind of sort of knew Android apps, nonrooted, cannot >> 3. Even so, SMB server apps exist on both iOS & Android platforms
Yes, but only using NON STANDARD PORTS!
Marion, 2025-04-22 04:06:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 03:44:54 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :[...]
Many apps - and all have same issue: you can not open a port below 1024
for servers without root access. And not every SMB client is able to use >>> custom ports above 1024.
Thanks for being another voice where there are three "facts" at this point. >> 1. It turns out that iOS apps, nonjailbroken, can bind to privileged ports
No. iOS has the same limitation. User installable apps can not use ports below 1024.
2. Yet, we all always kind of sort of knew Android apps, nonrooted, cannot >> 3. Even so, SMB server apps exist on both iOS & Android platforms
Yes, but only using NON STANDARD PORTS!
On 2025-04-24, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Chris, 2025-04-17 08:04:
[...]
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Sure - things like SSH or HTTP use ports below 1024 - so what? That does
not mean you can install and run an *APP* on iOS which does this.
Way to show the world you have no idea what you are talking about,
Junior.
On 2025-04-24 09:57, Arno Welzel wrote:
Chris, 2025-04-17 08:04:
[...]
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Sure - things like SSH or HTTP use ports below 1024 - so what? That does
not mean you can install and run an *APP* on iOS which does this.
And yet, one clearly CAN do that on iOS.
Don't take my word for it: download "LAN drive SAMBA Server Client" from
the iOS App Store and try it for yourself!
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33?PM EDT, "Arno Welzel" <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
On 2025-04-24 10:00, Arno Welzel wrote:
Marion, 2025-04-22 04:06:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 03:44:54 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :[...]
No. iOS has the same limitation. User installable apps can not use portsMany apps - and all have same issue: you can not open a port below 1024 >>>> for servers without root access. And not every SMB client is able to use >>>> custom ports above 1024.
Thanks for being another voice where there are three "facts" at this point. >>> 1. It turns out that iOS apps, nonjailbroken, can bind to privileged ports >>
below 1024.
I'm sorry, but that has been PROVEN to be false.
I have an iPhone 16 by my right hand and I can start an app called "LAN drive" and it will serve files using SMB on port 445.
Not true on iOS.2. Yet, we all always kind of sort of knew Android apps, nonrooted, cannot >>> 3. Even so, SMB server apps exist on both iOS & Android platforms
Yes, but only using NON STANDARD PORTS!
Say more stupid things.
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33 PM EDT, "Arno Welzel" <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers*
implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33?PM EDT, "Arno Welzel" <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers*
implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
Arno Welzel isn't 'Arlen'. As Chris also mentioned, Arno came (too)
late to the thread and apparently has not been following the thread, so
he was not aware that iOS *can* use servers on ports below 1024.
AFAICT from the comments from You Guys (TM), Arno's comment on "user installable apps" is incorrect, because AFAIK the iOS SMB server used
('LAN Drive Samba server') *is* an user-installable app. Correct?
What about his "apps without privileged access" comment?
Alan, 2025-04-24 19:18:
On 2025-04-24 09:57, Arno Welzel wrote:
Chris, 2025-04-17 08:04:
[...]
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Sure - things like SSH or HTTP use ports below 1024 - so what? That does >> not mean you can install and run an *APP* on iOS which does this.
And yet, one clearly CAN do that on iOS.
Don't take my word for it: download "LAN drive SAMBA Server Client" from the iOS App Store and try it for yourself!
This is a *CLIENT* and NOT A SERVER!
We talk about SERVERS! Which means apps which open ports below 1024 for INCOMING CONNECTIONS!
Alan, 2025-04-24 19:18:
On 2025-04-24 09:57, Arno Welzel wrote:
Chris, 2025-04-17 08:04:
[...]
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Sure - things like SSH or HTTP use ports below 1024 - so what? That does >>> not mean you can install and run an *APP* on iOS which does this.
And yet, one clearly CAN do that on iOS.
Don't take my word for it: download "LAN drive SAMBA Server Client" from
the iOS App Store and try it for yourself!
This is a *CLIENT* and NOT A SERVER!
We talk about SERVERS! Which means apps which open ports below 1024 for INCOMING CONNECTIONS!
Jolly Roger, 2025-04-24 19:45:
On 2025-04-24, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Chris, 2025-04-17 08:04:
[...]
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Sure - things like SSH or HTTP use ports below 1024 - so what? That does >>> not mean you can install and run an *APP* on iOS which does this.
Way to show the world you have no idea what you are talking about,
Junior.
What iOS app provides SSH or HTTP as *SERVER* and allows INCOMING
CONNECTIONS from other computers to port 22 or port 80?
'LAN drive SAMBA Server Client' <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lan-drive-samba-server-client/id1317727404>
On 2025-04-25 17:33, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
I stand corrected, if iOS allows user installable apps without any
special permission using ports below 1024 as server. I was just not
aware of that and did not expect this, since Android does not allow that like any Linux based systems. But iOS is not Linux based and of course
it may be that Apple decided to handle that in a different way.
iOS an unixoid system inside. It is based on Darwin, which is an
open-source Unix-like operating system developed by Apple. It should
have the same limitation binding to ports below 1024 for user apps. That
it doesn't is interesting.
Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-25 17:13:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33?PM EDT, "Arno Welzel" <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* >>>> implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
Arno Welzel isn't 'Arlen'. As Chris also mentioned, Arno came (too)
late to the thread and apparently has not been following the thread, so
he was not aware that iOS *can* use servers on ports below 1024.
AFAICT from the comments from You Guys (TM), Arno's comment on "user
installable apps" is incorrect, because AFAIK the iOS SMB server used
('LAN Drive Samba server') *is* an user-installable app. Correct?
What about his "apps without privileged access" comment?
I stand corrected, if iOS allows user installable apps without any
special permission using ports below 1024 as server. I was just not
aware of that and did not expect this, since Android does not allow that
like any Linux based systems. But iOS is not Linux based and of course
it may be that Apple decided to handle that in a different way.
On 2025-04-25 17:33, Arno Welzel wrote:
Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-25 17:13:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33?PM EDT, "Arno Welzel"[...]
<usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* >>>>> implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
Arno Welzel isn't 'Arlen'. As Chris also mentioned, Arno came (too) >>> late to the thread and apparently has not been following the thread, so
he was not aware that iOS *can* use servers on ports below 1024.
AFAICT from the comments from You Guys (TM), Arno's comment on "user >>> installable apps" is incorrect, because AFAIK the iOS SMB server used
('LAN Drive Samba server') *is* an user-installable app. Correct?
What about his "apps without privileged access" comment?
I stand corrected, if iOS allows user installable apps without any
special permission using ports below 1024 as server. I was just not
aware of that and did not expect this, since Android does not allow that
like any Linux based systems. But iOS is not Linux based and of course
it may be that Apple decided to handle that in a different way.
iOS an unixoid system inside. It is based on Darwin, which is an open-
source Unix-like operating system developed by Apple. It should have the
same limitation binding to ports below 1024 for user apps. That it
doesn't is interesting.
Alan, 2025-04-24 19:18:
On 2025-04-24 09:57, Arno Welzel wrote:
Chris, 2025-04-17 08:04:
[...]
Apple also list the ports they commonly use:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103229
There are many below 1024.
Sure - things like SSH or HTTP use ports below 1024 - so what? That does >>> not mean you can install and run an *APP* on iOS which does this.
And yet, one clearly CAN do that on iOS.
Don't take my word for it: download "LAN drive SAMBA Server Client" from
the iOS App Store and try it for yourself!
This is a *CLIENT* and NOT A SERVER!
We talk about SERVERS! Which means apps which open ports below 1024 for INCOMING CONNECTIONS!And this does that.
Alan, 2025-04-24 19:04:
On 2025-04-24 10:00, Arno Welzel wrote:
Marion, 2025-04-22 04:06:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 03:44:54 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :[...]
No. iOS has the same limitation. User installable apps can not use ports >>> below 1024.Many apps - and all have same issue: you can not open a port below 1024 >>>>> for servers without root access. And not every SMB client is able to use >>>>> custom ports above 1024.
Thanks for being another voice where there are three "facts" at this point.
1. It turns out that iOS apps, nonjailbroken, can bind to privileged ports >>>
I'm sorry, but that has been PROVEN to be false.
I have an iPhone 16 by my right hand and I can start an app called "LAN
drive" and it will serve files using SMB on port 445.
You refer to this?
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lan-drive-samba-server-client/id1317727404?platform=iphone>
Hmmmmmm...Not true on iOS.2. Yet, we all always kind of sort of knew Android apps, nonrooted, cannot >>>> 3. Even so, SMB server apps exist on both iOS & Android platforms
Yes, but only using NON STANDARD PORTS!
I stand corrected and wonder why iOS allows this, since it is also a "unixoid" system like Android.
Tyrone, 2025-04-25 01:54:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33 PM EDT, "Arno Welzel" <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers*
implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
What is a "Y.A.S.P."?
Well - I stand corrected - so what?
On 2025-04-25 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 17:33, Arno Welzel wrote:
Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-25 17:13:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33?PM EDT, "Arno Welzel"[...]
<usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* >>>>>> implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
Arno Welzel isn't 'Arlen'. As Chris also mentioned, Arno came (too) >>>> late to the thread and apparently has not been following the thread, so >>>> he was not aware that iOS *can* use servers on ports below 1024.
AFAICT from the comments from You Guys (TM), Arno's comment on "user >>>> installable apps" is incorrect, because AFAIK the iOS SMB server used
('LAN Drive Samba server') *is* an user-installable app. Correct?
What about his "apps without privileged access" comment?
I stand corrected, if iOS allows user installable apps without any
special permission using ports below 1024 as server. I was just not
aware of that and did not expect this, since Android does not allow that >>> like any Linux based systems. But iOS is not Linux based and of course
it may be that Apple decided to handle that in a different way.
iOS an unixoid system inside. It is based on Darwin, which is an open-
source Unix-like operating system developed by Apple. It should have the
same limitation binding to ports below 1024 for user apps. That it
doesn't is interesting.
Not really.
It's not like the restriction on "privileged ports" is baked into the kernel...
...and even if it were, it could be unbaked.
On 2025-04-26, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-04-25 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 17:33, Arno Welzel wrote:
Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-25 17:13:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33?PM EDT, "Arno Welzel"[...]
<usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* >>>>>>> implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
Arno Welzel isn't 'Arlen'. As Chris also mentioned, Arno came (too) >>>>> late to the thread and apparently has not been following the thread, so >>>>> he was not aware that iOS *can* use servers on ports below 1024.
AFAICT from the comments from You Guys (TM), Arno's comment on "user
installable apps" is incorrect, because AFAIK the iOS SMB server used >>>>> ('LAN Drive Samba server') *is* an user-installable app. Correct?
What about his "apps without privileged access" comment?
I stand corrected, if iOS allows user installable apps without any
special permission using ports below 1024 as server. I was just not
aware of that and did not expect this, since Android does not allow that >>>> like any Linux based systems. But iOS is not Linux based and of course >>>> it may be that Apple decided to handle that in a different way.
iOS an unixoid system inside. It is based on Darwin, which is an open-
source Unix-like operating system developed by Apple. It should have the >>> same limitation binding to ports below 1024 for user apps. That it
doesn't is interesting.
Not really.
It's not like the restriction on "privileged ports" is baked into the
kernel...
...and even if it were, it could be unbaked.
Exactly. It's really not the big deal they think it is.
On 2025-04-26 06:23, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2025-04-26, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-04-25 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 17:33, Arno Welzel wrote:
Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-25 17:13:
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33?PM EDT, "Arno Welzel"[...]
<usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* >>>>>>>> implemented in user installable apps without privileged access. >>>>>>>Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
Arno Welzel isn't 'Arlen'. As Chris also mentioned, Arno came (too)
late to the thread and apparently has not been following the thread, so >>>>>> he was not aware that iOS *can* use servers on ports below 1024.
AFAICT from the comments from You Guys (TM), Arno's comment on "user
installable apps" is incorrect, because AFAIK the iOS SMB server used >>>>>> ('LAN Drive Samba server') *is* an user-installable app. Correct?
What about his "apps without privileged access" comment?
I stand corrected, if iOS allows user installable apps without any
special permission using ports below 1024 as server. I was just not
aware of that and did not expect this, since Android does not allow that >>>>> like any Linux based systems. But iOS is not Linux based and of course >>>>> it may be that Apple decided to handle that in a different way.
iOS an unixoid system inside. It is based on Darwin, which is an open- >>>> source Unix-like operating system developed by Apple. It should have the >>>> same limitation binding to ports below 1024 for user apps. That it
doesn't is interesting.
Not really.
It's not like the restriction on "privileged ports" is baked into the
kernel...
...and even if it were, it could be unbaked.
Exactly. It's really not the big deal they think it is.
To me, it is interesting that it was unbaked, or however it was done.
On 25 Apr 2025 15:38:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
'LAN drive SAMBA Server Client'
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lan-drive-samba-server-client/id1317727404>
Frank is correct as I tested it myself, and unless I made a mistake in my testing (which I documented & posted like any good scientist should), that particular user-installed iOS app does appear to bind to port 445.
Note that there is also an Android version from the same developer.
*[APP][4.0.3+][NO Root] LAN drive Samba Filesharing Server SMB1 & SMB2*
<https://xdaforums.com/t/app-4-0-3-no-root-lan-drive-samba-filesharing-server-smb1-and-smb2.3790945/page-12#post-90056889>
IMO, the 'no-root' philosophy of Android (and iOS?) is broken from the start. I can't access my files in Android\data etc.? I can't run a
server on a <1024 port? Etc., etc.. But I *can* (f.e. Samsung) unlock
the bootloader and blow everything to bits!?
On 2025-04-25 08:15, Arno Welzel wrote:
Tyrone, 2025-04-25 01:54:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33 PM EDT, "Arno Welzel" <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* >>>> implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
What is a "Y.A.S.P."?
Well - I stand corrected - so what?
So you acted like an ass before finally realizing you were wrong.
Try a little more humility next time.
On 2025-04-25, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
We talk about SERVERS! Which means apps which open ports below 1024 for
INCOMING CONNECTIONS!
My god, you trolls are fucking dumb, which is ironic considering you guys regularly claim Apple users are idiots.
Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-25 20:41:
[...]
IMO, the 'no-root' philosophy of Android (and iOS?) is broken from the start. I can't access my files in Android\data etc.? I can't run a
server on a <1024 port? Etc., etc.. But I *can* (f.e. Samsung) unlock
the bootloader and blow everything to bits!?
Yes - because unlocking the bootlader is not possible without wiping the device. So no risk of getting access to data for an attacker. Also this requires understanding how to install ADB and how to enter fast boot
mode on the device and so on...
However, someone in comp.mobile.android pointed out that (non-US)
Samsung phones have a bootloader unlock switch in the 'Developer
options' and indeed my Samsung (Galaxy A51) has such a switch, without
any comments that it will wipe the device.
Alan, 2025-04-26 04:21:
On 2025-04-25 08:15, Arno Welzel wrote:
Tyrone, 2025-04-25 01:54:
On Apr 24, 2025 at 1:02:33 PM EDT, "Arno Welzel" <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
Correct - iOS also does not allow using ports below 1024 for *servers* >>>>> implemented in user installable apps without privileged access.
Oh look. Arlen has Y.A.S.P. That's so cute.
What is a "Y.A.S.P."?
Well - I stand corrected - so what?
So you acted like an ass before finally realizing you were wrong.
Huh? Why do you say that I "acted like an ass"?
Marion, 2025-04-22 04:06:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 03:44:54 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :[...]
Many apps - and all have same issue: you can not open a port below 1024
for servers without root access. And not every SMB client is able to use >>> custom ports above 1024.
Thanks for being another voice where there are three "facts" at this point. >> 1. It turns out that iOS apps, nonjailbroken, can bind to privileged ports
No. iOS has the same limitation. User installable apps can not use ports below 1024.
2. Yet, we all always kind of sort of knew Android apps, nonrooted, cannot >> 3. Even so, SMB server apps exist on both iOS & Android platforms
Yes, but only using NON STANDARD PORTS!
