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It's too bad the bootloaders are locked on US model Samsung devices.
This update has pushed me over the edge - I'd be installing a custom ROM
as we speak, if it were an available option.
extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
[...]
It's too bad the bootloaders are locked on US model Samsung devices.
As far as I know, most if not all bootloaders are locked, not just on Samsung devices and not just only on US models.
An unlocked bootloader is a gigantic security risk, because it doesn't
only allow *you* to install other system level software, but also
*anyone else* (thief, someone who finds your lost phone), who can then
get access to your personal data.
FYI, there are on-line - paid - services which can unlock the
bootloader of most phones. I used one to unlock the bootloader of my stone-age Huawei Ascend Y300 phone. That said, I wouldn't do that again
for my current - out of update-support - Samsung Galaxy A51, unless it
became unusable/too_old and I couldn't afford a replacement.
This update has pushed me over the edge - I'd be installing a custom ROM
as we speak, if it were an available option.
You might want to check if there's a custom 'ROM' for your particular
model phone. LineageOS probably has the widest range of supported
models.
On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
[...]
It's too bad the bootloaders are locked on US model Samsung devices.
As far as I know, most if not all bootloaders are locked, not just on Samsung devices and not just only on US models.
Bootloader unlocking is possible on international model Samsung devices through the "OEM Unlock" option in Developer Options. Other devices
really vary by manufacturer/region/wireless carrier.
An unlocked bootloader is a gigantic security risk, because it doesn't only allow *you* to install other system level software, but also
*anyone else* (thief, someone who finds your lost phone), who can then
get access to your personal data.
This is a good point, and I agree with you to quite some extent.
However, I still think the option should be available - and could be
made available - for those who "know what they're doing".
FYI, there are on-line - paid - services which can unlock the
bootloader of most phones. I used one to unlock the bootloader of my stone-age Huawei Ascend Y300 phone. That said, I wouldn't do that again
for my current - out of update-support - Samsung Galaxy A51, unless it became unusable/too_old and I couldn't afford a replacement.
I can't imagine any of these paid services can do much that isn't
already publically available. And all discussions I've read on XDA
Developers and elsewhere are pretty adamant that US model Samsung
devices cannot be rooted/have a custom ROM installed in any way, shape,
or form. I would expect mention of these services if they were able to
do it.
I also certainly would not trust any of these services.
This update has pushed me over the edge - I'd be installing a custom ROM >> as we speak, if it were an available option.
You might want to check if there's a custom 'ROM' for your particular model phone. LineageOS probably has the widest range of supported
models.
Installing a custom ROM requires unlocking the bootloader unfortunately, otherwise I'd be doing that and not complaining about it on here :)
extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:Bootloader unlocking is possible on international model Samsung devices
through the "OEM Unlock" option in Developer Options. Other devices
really vary by manufacturer/region/wireless carrier.
You're correct! Thanks for that information. My Samsung Galaxy A51
SM-A515F (SM-A515FZKVEUB to be precise), bought in The Netherlands,
indeed has that option.
This is a good point, and I agree with you to quite some extent.
However, I still think the option should be available - and could be
made available - for those who "know what they're doing".
I've seen many posts from users complaining about not being able to
unlock the bootloader, who did not seem to know/realize the
consequences. But as long *you* know what you're doing, all is fine! :-)
I also certainly would not trust any of these services.
I didn't/wouldn't either, but in my case it was try-or-dispose. It
worked and was not expensive, IIRC 4 dollars.
On 2025-04-15, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. >>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
Hmm...it appears Rome has indeed spoken.
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone.
I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone.
I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:Bootloader unlocking is possible on international model Samsung devices
through the "OEM Unlock" option in Developer Options. Other devices
really vary by manufacturer/region/wireless carrier.
You're correct! Thanks for that information. My Samsung Galaxy A51 SM-A515F (SM-A515FZKVEUB to be precise), bought in The Netherlands,
indeed has that option.
Lucky you! I wonder if any international models would even work in the
US - this has been added to my research agenda, though it's probably
going to stay low on the priority list until my phone installment plan
is paid off...
This is a good point, and I agree with you to quite some extent.
However, I still think the option should be available - and could be
made available - for those who "know what they're doing".
I've seen many posts from users complaining about not being able to unlock the bootloader, who did not seem to know/realize the
consequences. But as long *you* know what you're doing, all is fine! :-)
The more I know about what I'm doing, the less I feel like I know
what I'm doing at all...Dunning and Kruger would like a word
I also certainly would not trust any of these services.
I didn't/wouldn't either, but in my case it was try-or-dispose. It
worked and was not expensive, IIRC 4 dollars.
Now I'm very curious what your use case was for this!
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone.
I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not
usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last
major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when
Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.
extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> wrote:
On 2025-04-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Before bying this particular model, I studied the needed/available (2G/3G/4G) frequency bands in detail, because I needed to use the phone
in EU countries in Europe and in Australia. Australia's main provider (Telstra) with the widest coverage, uses some quite 'special' frequency
bands (to get that wide coverage), so I had to be sure my phone had
those bands.
Most webshops did not give those details, but my main webshop
mentioned the exact/full product numbers and Samsung was one of the few brands which mentioned these exact product numbers. So I could look at
the webshop site for a candidate and then lookup its frequence bands on
the (Dutch) Samsung site.
FYI, not that it is of much help, because my phone is already a few
years old, but my phone (see above) *does* work in the US. Tested on my
2023 trip to the Indy 500 (Chicago to Indianapolis and back).
extra extra, 2025-04-15 18:44:
This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not
usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last
major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when
Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.
Then use the advantages of Android and get a custom launcher like Nova:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher&hl=en>
On 2025-04-18 11:52, Arno Welzel wrote:
extra extra, 2025-04-15 18:44:
This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not
usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last
major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when
Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.
Then use the advantages of Android and get a custom launcher like Nova:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher&hl=en>
The first three reviews I get are negative.
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. >>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. >>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
On 2025-04-18, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-18 11:52, Arno Welzel wrote:
extra extra, 2025-04-15 18:44:
This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not
usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last >>>> major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when
Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.
Then use the advantages of Android and get a custom launcher like Nova:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher&hl=en>
The first three reviews I get are negative.
This is also what I saw when I researched it. Maybe I should try it
anyway to develop my own opinion, but I just have this (maybe
irrational) fear of fucking something up and having to factory reset.
On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. >>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.
On 2025-04-18 16:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. >>>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them. >>>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not
tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.
Nor iphones. They use instead expensive and secured phones.
On 18.04.25 21:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-18 16:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an
iPhone.
I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them. >>>>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not
tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.
Nor iphones. They use instead expensive and secured phones.
This is definetely wrong. Look at Hegseth and the ridiculous defense
minister of the US of A and his buddies.
On 2025-04-19 09:34, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 18.04.25 21:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-18 16:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an >>>>>>> iPhone.
I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them. >>>>>> You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not >>>> tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.
Nor iphones. They use instead expensive and secured phones.
This is definetely wrong. Look at Hegseth and the ridiculous defense
minister of the US of A and his buddies.
That is to be expected of idiots.
On 18.04.25 11:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-15 21:40:
On 15.04.25 18:44, extra extra wrote:
To me, it sure seems like they're trying to make it look like an iPhone. >>>> I'll withhold my commentary on that one.
iPhones are simply the best. That is why everybody tries to copy them.
You do not understand the superiority of the concept.
I finally got rid of my iPhone since my employer now also supports
Android as a work phone - and I could not be happier with that ;-).
Employers of security sensitive and security conscious companies do not tolerate Androids in their networks and on their servers.
On 2025-04-18 11:52, Arno Welzel wrote:
extra extra, 2025-04-15 18:44:
This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not
usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last
major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when
Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.
Then use the advantages of Android and get a custom launcher like Nova:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher&hl=en>
The first three reviews I get are negative.
On 2025-04-18, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-18 11:52, Arno Welzel wrote:
extra extra, 2025-04-15 18:44:
This morning I awoke to a new launcher, and I hate it. I feel I'm not
usually as sensitive to these kinds of updates as others are - the last >>>> major instance I can recall bothering me to this degree was when
Microsoft did what they did with Windows 8.
Then use the advantages of Android and get a custom launcher like Nova:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher&hl=en>
The first three reviews I get are negative.
This is also what I saw when I researched it. Maybe I should try it
anyway to develop my own opinion, but I just have this (maybe
irrational) fear of fucking something up and having to factory reset.