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Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:[...]
You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it.
When I would try to reach you (assuming I know your mobile number), WhatsApp would tell me you don't have WhatsApp, so I would use SMS. No problem! :-)
Bottom line: SMS (sending) is the exception, not the rule.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:[...]
As I use WhatsApp - yes, also on my computer - and have absolutely no need to *send* SMS messages, I don't need that stuff.
Reading the click send website suggests the point is reach:
===
Some benefits of sending email to SMS include:
? Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message
will be seen.
? Have your message read faster, with a much faster open rate than
email.
? All your email and SMS communication in the one place.
===
You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it.
The reason is historical: SMS require payment in Europe, not over there.
Currently that reason doesn't hold much, because many phone plans
include things like a thousand sms for free, or unlimited. Not
everybody, though.
On 2025-04-03 12:26, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 08:37:04 +0200, J÷rg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 03.04.25 05:52, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2025 11:23 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
<snip>
You do know that pretty much every carrier maintains a way to send an >>>>> email to a particular phone number?(*) It's not just Verizon. (I
have Visible, but the email-to-phone thing is the same because
Visible uses its corporate parent Verizon's network.)
The e-mail to SMS and e-mail to MMS gateways are very useful. I didn't >>>> think that there would be an e-mail to RCS gateway.
Is it really? In other parts of the world where mobile communication is
more advanced than in the US such a service is completely unknown
Then in this regard, the communication outside the US and Canada (and
the rest of Latin America, I suspect) is less advanced.
and I
cannot see how that could be useful.
Let's say you are using your computer and you want to send a message to
a cellphone.
You can't, not here. Maybe you can find a gateway, but they may require >payment, or at least registration. So there are privacy issues.
I asked google, in Spanish, and got an answer, which I translated:
Send text messages
1 On a computer, go to voice.google.com.
2 Open the Messages tab.
3 At the top, click Send a message.
4 Enter a contact's name or phone number. ...
5 At the bottom, type your message and click Send .
https://support.google.com/voice/answer/115116?hl=es&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop
The full text of the site says it is USA only.
Another answer says to use WhatsAPP or iMessages on the computer. You
need a phone for that to work.
I think there is another web interface
for google messages.
Another answer says using mysms, which connects to your phone.
Here ><https://www.cloudtalk.io/es/blog/8-formas-sencillas-de-enviar-mensajes-de-texto-del-ordenador-al-movil/>
they list 8 ways, and some of them are using web sites that offer the >service. But the information is not correct for my country.
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:[...]
As I use WhatsApp - yes, also on my computer - and have absolutely no
need to *send* SMS messages, I don't need that stuff.
Reading the click send website suggests the point is reach:
Yes, that's a valid point, SMS as a *fallback*. As another poster
(Andy?) said, we don't want SMS to go away, because it's heavily used to >*receive* messages (2SV and informational).
===
Some benefits of sending email to SMS include:
? Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message
will be seen.
? Have your message read faster, with a much faster open rate than
email.
? All your email and SMS communication in the one place.
===
You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it.
When I would try to reach you (assuming I know your mobile number),
WhatsApp would tell me you don't have WhatsApp, so I would use SMS. No >problem! :-)
Bottom line: SMS (sending) is the exception, not the rule.
but I don't think SMS is as dead as you say all the time, and I
don't think it should die.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
The reason is historical: SMS require payment in Europe, not over there.
Currently that reason doesn't hold much, because many phone plans
include things like a thousand sms for free, or unlimited. Not
everybody, though.
Even the cheapest SIM deals (under ú3/month) nw include unlimited texts,
but notionally it's still sender-pays.
In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 12:31:44 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
MMS is turned off
in a majority of countries in the world for years.
I'll give you another example of technology that most of the world has abandoned, when they should not have.
And that is Usenet.
On 2025-04-03 12:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
This crap is super-old-style and in no way advanced. MMS is turned off
in a majority of countries in the world for years. This crap never
gained traction outside the US. And this is 20 years back.
I asked chatgpt.
Is it true that MMS service has been disabled in most countries?
Carlos E.R. wrote:
The reason is historical: SMS require payment in Europe, not over there.
Currently that reason doesn't hold much, because many phone plans
include things like a thousand sms for free, or unlimited. Not
everybody, though.
Even the cheapest SIM deals (under £3/month) nw include unlimited texts,
but notionally it's still sender-pays.
Are there any USA SIMs where it's not charged per text to receive? Or do
they have deals like the first 1,000 messages sent to you each month are free?
I suspect you do not understand RCS either.
In comp.mobile.android, on 3 Apr 2025 12:26:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:[...]
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
Some benefits of sending email to SMS include:
? Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message
will be seen.
yes, I sometimes get something on Whatsapp and don't know I've gotten it
for days or longer, even when I've had the phone on.
You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it.
When I would try to reach you (assuming I know your mobile number),
WhatsApp would tell me you don't have WhatsApp, so I would use SMS. No >problem! :-)
When I was trrying to whatsapp someone who didn't have whatsapp, the
only indication was that in my contact list, it didn't have a whatsapp
entry, but at the time, I didn't know if that meant anything or not. I
don't know how those entries get there. Certainly nothing "told me"
that he didn't have whatsapp.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
I suspect you do not understand RCS either.
I'm one of the (apparently few) people here who use RCS, I will now
happily send photos to people, whereas in the past I'd think twice due
to MMS charges.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 3 Apr 2025 12:26:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg[...]
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
Some benefits of sending email to SMS include:
? Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message
will be seen.
yes, I sometimes get something on Whatsapp and don't know I've gotten it
for days or longer, even when I've had the phone on.
If you get a WhatsApp message, you should get a 'ringtone' and a notification in the notification area of your phone, i.e. similar to
what you would get for a SMS/'text' message. So if you don't get these
for WhatsApp messages, you have disabled/silenced these notifications in
some way.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
I suspect you do not understand RCS either.
I'm one of the (apparently few) people here who use RCS, I will now
happily send photos to people, whereas in the past I'd think twice due
to MMS charges.
On 03.04.25 13:26, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-03 12:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
This crap is super-old-style and in no way advanced. MMS is turned off
in a majority of countries in the world for years. This crap never
gained traction outside the US. And this is 20 years back.
I asked chatgpt.
Is it true that MMS service has been disabled in most countries?
Stop this ridiculous use of AI which you are not able to put into perspective. You are like a little kid.
provide reliable sources
On 03.04.25 20:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
provide reliable sources
ChatGPT is certainly not a reliable source.
I suspect you do not understand RCS either.
I'm one of the (apparently few) people here who use RCS, I will now
happily send photos to people, whereas in the past I'd think twice due
to MMS charges.
Android 15, Google Pixel 8a, Google Messages and Google's camera app
A couple of months ago I turned on RCS chats. There are a couple of downsides, but I wonder if there are any upsides.
Bad -- None of these happened till I turned RCS chats on:
1. When I enclose a photo in a text, text and photo are transmitted
as two separate messages. The same happens when someone encloses a
photo in a message to me: it's two separate messages.
2. When I forward a message that I received via Verizon's email-to-
text feature, and it contains a photo, the photo is queued for
forwarding but the text is discarded.
3. If I start a text, then take a photo and share it with the
intended recipient of the text, Messages throws away the text I
typed.
4. When someone _starts_ typing a response to a text I sent, I get
the sound for a received text, and then I don't know whether to wait
for them to finish and hit send, or go back to what I was doing and
then get interrupted again when they do.
5. Senders' emojis or likes are transformed into some very
distracting animations.
Good -- What am I missing?
The big difference between USA and RoW for mobile phone based messaging
is "receiver pays" vs "sender pays", I suspect a lot of other
differences flow from that,
On 2025-04-03 15:20, Andy Burns wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
I suspect you do not understand RCS either. I'm one of the(apparently few) people here who use RCS, I will now happily send
photos to people, whereas in the past I'd think twice due to MMS
charges.
Not few. Ask chatgpt:
How many users worldwide are there of RCS?
As of 2024, Rich Communication Services (RCS) messaging has seen
significant global adoption. Juniper Research reported that the number
of active RCS users worldwide reached 1.1 billion in 2024, up from 930 million in 2023. Similarly, Omdia projected that RCS would have a cross-platform reach of approximately 2.5 billion monthly active users
by the end of 2024. This growth is further supported by Google's
announcement in 2023 that over one billion monthly active users had
RCS enabled, with expectations of continued expansion as more devices
and platforms adopt RCS support.
OneSignal+9thesun.co.uk+9TeleMessage+9 Juniper Research
PressReleaseHub listrak.com+2Sinch+2
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 14:20:41 +0100, Andy Burns wrote :
I suspect you do not understand RCS either.
I'm one of the (apparently few) people here who use RCS, I will now
happily send photos to people, whereas in the past I'd think twice due
to MMS charges.
Hi Andy,
It's hilarious that Joerg Lorenz, who knows nothing about anything, is claiming that you, of all people, don't understand RCS like he does.
I've been referring to Joerg on the Apple newsgroups as Professor Lorenz.
He's the lemon-juice bank robber Dunning-Kruger left of the first quartile.
<https://pastorpaul.files.wordpress.com/2022/12/dunning-kruger-effect.jpg>
Those are the people so very ignorant that they think they know everything.
<https://dingdong887180022.files.wordpress.com/2021/10/dunning-kruger.jpg>
Anyway, you and Carlos were the 1st to teach me why you value RCS, where
you each needed RCS for different purposes, but RCS serves your purpose
well & that's good (as long as the Apple ecosystem also supports RCS).
My only lament about RCS/MLS is that, for a while, Google is going to be
the only game in town in terms of Android messenger apps which support it.
When there's a non-Google RCS/MLS messaging app, let me know! :)
Stan Brown, 2025-04-01 21:19:
Android 15, Google Pixel 8a, Google Messages and Google's camera app
A couple of months ago I turned on RCS chats. There are a couple of
downsides, but I wonder if there are any upsides.
Define "RCS chats turned on". RCS is just there - you can use it or not.
But there is no option to turn RCS on or off.
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2025-04-03 15:20, Andy Burns wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
I suspect you do not understand RCS either. I'm one of the(apparently few) people here who use RCS, I will now happily send
photos to people, whereas in the past I'd think twice due to MMS
charges.
Not few. Ask chatgpt:
How many users worldwide are there of RCS?
As of 2024, Rich Communication Services (RCS) messaging has seen
significant global adoption. Juniper Research reported that the number
of active RCS users worldwide reached 1.1 billion in 2024, up from 930
million in 2023. Similarly, Omdia projected that RCS would have a
cross-platform reach of approximately 2.5 billion monthly active users
by the end of 2024. This growth is further supported by Google's
announcement in 2023 that over one billion monthly active users had
RCS enabled, with expectations of continued expansion as more devices
and platforms adopt RCS support.
OneSignal+9thesun.co.uk+9TeleMessage+9 Juniper Research
PressReleaseHub listrak.com+2Sinch+2
This might be due to Google turning it on by default.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/08/google-messages-will-now-use-rcs-by-default-and-encrypt-group-chats/
https://9to5google.com/2023/08/08/google-messages-rcs-default/
I am surprised it was as long ago as 2023, but I've noticed more people
have it enabled. These are the people who presumably know nothing about
it and just use the Google Messages app for messages without worrying
about what it does.
(ChatGPT is at least as reliable as searching the internet, and much
easier. And according to OpenAI they clean up the data a bit before
feeding it in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xTGNNLPyMI)
On 2025-04-03 17:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
If you get a WhatsApp message, you should get a 'ringtone' and a notification in the notification area of your phone, i.e. similar to
what you would get for a SMS/'text' message. So if you don't get these
for WhatsApp messages, you have disabled/silenced these notifications in some way.
When I send messages to my relatives across the pond on WhatsApp, some
times weeks can pass before they notice.
On 2025-04-04 03:20, Marion wrote:[...]
My only lament about RCS/MLS is that, for a while, Google is going to be the only game in town in terms of Android messenger apps which support it.
Yeah, and even big game like Samsung seem to be using the Google app. It
is easier for them.
When there's a non-Google RCS/MLS messaging app, let me know! :)
Wait seated :-)
It is a Spanish saying that means that you will have to wait for long,
or very long.
Do you know which servers and where RCS uses, assuming 'Arlen' is
using ISP X and his correspondent uses ISP Y (and vice versa)?
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Do you know which servers and where RCS uses, assuming 'Arlen' is
using ISP X and his correspondent uses ISP Y (and vice versa)?
The servers aren't related to your ISP, they're related to your mobile operator.
Previously my operator ran their own RCS servers then (like many other operators) they decided to outsource to the Jibe Mobile servers acquired
by Google, presumably there's a mechanism where each operator (maybe
based on MNC/MNO?) publishes which servers they use?
AFAIK the system works by looking up a mobile phone number to see if it
has RCS enabled, rather than looking up a google account sign-in, but
who knows whether or not a Google account is required for Google Messages?
Certainly. It matches the paragraph «This growth is further supported by Google's announcement in 2023 that over one billion monthly active users
had RCS enabled»
Stan Brown, 2025-04-01 21:19:
Android 15, Google Pixel 8a, Google Messages and Google's camera app
A couple of months ago I turned on RCS chats. There are a couple of downsides, but I wonder if there are any upsides.
Define "RCS chats turned on". RCS is just there - you can use it or not.
But there is no option to turn RCS on or off.
Hmm!? I thought RCS used the Internet/IP/<whatever>.
If one's mobile operator is the key player, how about costs/pricing?
I thought RCS was 'free' like WhatsApp, but as I said, I know littleEffectively RCS is as free to me, as WhatsApp is to you
about RCS.
On 04.04.25 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Certainly. It matches the paragraph «This growth is further supported by
Google's announcement in 2023 that over one billion monthly active users
had RCS enabled»
Fake News. Google forced it on users by updates.
99% do not know they have RCS activated. Google now thinks it can count
each and every SMS as RCS-message.
And you are stupid enough not put that into perspective.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Hmm!? I thought RCS used the Internet/IP/<whatever>.
It is, but the internet that RCS uses could be wifi provided by your
home broadband, not 4G provided by your mobile operator
If one's mobile operator is the key player, how about costs/pricing?
It's all "free" provided you have internet connectivity, if you're
paying for that by the byte, it's not quite free.
I thought RCS was 'free' like WhatsApp, but as I said, I know littleEffectively RCS is as free to me, as WhatsApp is to you
about RCS.
On 2025-04-04 16:13, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 04.04.25 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Certainly. It matches the paragraph «This growth is further supported by >>> Google's announcement in 2023 that over one billion monthly active users >>> had RCS enabled»
Fake News. Google forced it on users by updates.
99% do not know they have RCS activated. Google now thinks it can count
each and every SMS as RCS-message.
And you are stupid enough not put that into perspective.
Personal insults, you too?
Plonk.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:Love RCS on my iPhone now that iOS 18.4 has rolled out.
iPhone users do not appreciate RCS messages at all.
No complaints here ...
Cross-plaform end to end encryption, finally!
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 10:49:13 -0700, sms wrote:
Cross-plaform end to end encryption, finally!
In the future:
<https://www.theverge.com/news/629620/apple-iphone-e2ee-encryption-rcs-messaging-android>
(Or did they implement it?)
Cross-plaform end to end encryption, finally!
On 4/2/2025 1:32 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:Love RCS on my iPhone now that iOS 18.4 has rolled out.
iPhone users do not appreciate RCS messages at all.
No complaints here ...
RCS is definitely the future of messaging in the United States, where WhatsApp doesn't have the market penetration that it does in other
countries. It's not really a big deal outside the U.S., since iMessage
is not widely used, but a big deal in the U.S..
Cross-plaform end to end encryption, finally!
On 4/2/2025 1:32 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:Love RCS on my iPhone now that iOS 18.4 has rolled out.
iPhone users do not appreciate RCS messages at all.
No complaints here ...
RCS is definitely the future of messaging in the United States, where WhatsApp doesn't have the market penetration that it does in other
countries. It's not really a big deal outside the U.S., since iMessage
is not widely used, but a big deal in the U.S..
Cross-plaform end to end encryption, finally!
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 09:02:29 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote:
Stan Brown, 2025-04-01 21:19:
Android 15, Google Pixel 8a, Google Messages and Google's camera app
A couple of months ago I turned on RCS chats. There are a couple of
downsides, but I wonder if there are any upsides.
Define "RCS chats turned on". RCS is just there - you can use it or not.
But there is no option to turn RCS on or off.
Where on earth did you get that idea? Do you maybe have an older
version of Android?
In Messages, I tap the icon or picture at upper right that identifies
me, then "Messages setting" near the bottom of the list that
appears, then "RCS chats", the very first item in the list.
In the "RCS chats" page that appears, the first item is a toggle
labeled "Turn on RCS chats".
Arno Welzel, 2025-04-06 13:26:
Carlos E.R., 2025-04-04 13:02:
On 2025-04-04 09:02, Arno Welzel wrote:
Stan Brown, 2025-04-01 21:19:
Android 15, Google Pixel 8a, Google Messages and Google's camera app >>>>>
A couple of months ago I turned on RCS chats. There are a couple of
downsides, but I wonder if there are any upsides.
Define "RCS chats turned on". RCS is just there - you can use it or not. >>>> But there is no option to turn RCS on or off.
Yes, there is.
In the Google messages app there is an option to enable or disable RCS.
If you disable it, you get only SMS and SMS; and people trying to send
to you get told about this.
Not in my version of the Google messages app. The only options I have
here with a Google Pixel 6a and Android 15:
<https://arnowelzel.de/samples/google-messaging-options-pixel6a-a15.png>
No option to disable RCS completely. I can only select if I want to use
RCS or SMS for an individual contact.
I stand corrected - this can be found in the "General settings".
Carlos E.R., 2025-04-04 13:02:
On 2025-04-04 09:02, Arno Welzel wrote:
Stan Brown, 2025-04-01 21:19:
Android 15, Google Pixel 8a, Google Messages and Google's camera app
A couple of months ago I turned on RCS chats. There are a couple of
downsides, but I wonder if there are any upsides.
Define "RCS chats turned on". RCS is just there - you can use it or not. >>> But there is no option to turn RCS on or off.
Yes, there is.
In the Google messages app there is an option to enable or disable RCS.
If you disable it, you get only SMS and SMS; and people trying to send
to you get told about this.
Not in my version of the Google messages app. The only options I have
here with a Google Pixel 6a and Android 15:
<https://arnowelzel.de/samples/google-messaging-options-pixel6a-a15.png>
No option to disable RCS completely. I can only select if I want to use
RCS or SMS for an individual contact.
On 2025-04-04 09:02, Arno Welzel wrote:
Stan Brown, 2025-04-01 21:19:
Android 15, Google Pixel 8a, Google Messages and Google's camera app
A couple of months ago I turned on RCS chats. There are a couple of
downsides, but I wonder if there are any upsides.
Define "RCS chats turned on". RCS is just there - you can use it or not.
But there is no option to turn RCS on or off.
Yes, there is.
In the Google messages app there is an option to enable or disable RCS.
If you disable it, you get only SMS and SMS; and people trying to send
to you get told about this.
Cross-plaform end to end encryption, finally!
well, soon anyway ...
RCS/MLS in Messages will be the death of the independent apps
RCS/MLS in Messages will be the death of the independent apps
I suppose that depends if google exposeds MLS functionality through an
API, I can't see any evidence they will, there's little enough RCS
exposed by API.
BTW: iPhone users do not appreciate RCS messages at all.
On 2025-04-01, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
BTW: iPhone users do not appreciate RCS messages at all.
RCS messaging is natively supported in iOS 18.
See: https://support.apple.com/en-us/122195
On 01.04.25 23:32, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
BTW: iPhone users do not appreciate RCS messages at all.
Explanation: The proprietary encryption of RCS is crap and is
undermining the security philosophy of iPhones.
RCS does not have a "raison d'être".
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-04-01 23:36:
On 01.04.25 23:32, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
BTW: iPhone users do not appreciate RCS messages at all.
Explanation: The proprietary encryption of RCS is crap and is
undermining the security philosophy of iPhones.
RCS does not have a "raison d'être".
It has - it is the evolution of SMS/MMS as a common standard an not a proprietary protocol like iMessage, Telegram, Signal, WhatsApp etc..
The implementation of a working encryption as part of the standard is
just a question of time:
<https://www.gsma.com/newsroom/article/rcs-nowin-ios-a-new-chapter-for-mobile-messaging/>
Additionally, users will benefit from stronger protections
from scam, fraud, and other security threats."
It has - it is the evolution of SMS/MMS as a common standard an not a proprietary protocol like iMessage, Telegram, Signal, WhatsApp etc..
On 18.04.25 11:48, Arno Welzel wrote:
It has - it is the evolution of SMS/MMS as a common standard an not a
proprietary protocol like iMessage, Telegram, Signal, WhatsApp etc..
That is what Google tells you. Companies do not send RCS they still send
SMS. RCS is and remains Google's wet dream and expression of the
frustration that it never got a safe messenger flying.
SMS and RCS are technically completely different things.
