AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

When I think of a "Google phone", I think of the Pixel model only.
But you were apparently thinking of Google's Android OS - which is fine.

When an Android phone won't operate unless it's signed into Google it's not
hard to think of it as a Google phone. I think many folks think that way
and perhaps that's why I've never heard a Pixel owner refer to his phone a
Google phone. Have you?

Up until that statement, I thought I understood why you called an Android
phone a Google phone (even though Samsung & other brands surely exist).

But now you're claiming you have to log into Google for Android to work?
Where did you get the idea that you have to sign into Google?

Since you're a developer, you're well aware signing into Google is no more necessary than signing into your bank account or signing into Samsung.

If you don't need the memory, the slot doesn't help or hurt you.
But if you need the memory, NOT having the slot hurts you a lot.

Yup. And the market has lots of phone choices for you slot needing folks.

My main point of contention is simply that a phone without the slot is an inferior phone to one with the slot, all things being equal otherwise.

When people who have buyers remorse (because they bought a phone without
the slot) start justifying their lack of a slot, that's when I bring up
that logical point - because they are trying to justify their problems.

Fundamentally, everything else being equal, a phone without the slot is >>clearly a substandard phone to one that has the slot. That's pure logic.

Not so much. It depends on the need of the customer. I have an iPhone user
in my house that's been using for decades and no slot complaints. Fact is
I'm not sure she would even know what we're talking about.

All I have to ask you is what a phone with a slot can't do that the phone without the slot can do - but we already both know the answer. Nothing.

The phone without the slot is an inferior phone (assuming all else equal).

There's nothing wrong with inferior phones - but don't try to say they're better due to buyers remorse since it's impossible for them to be better.

There are things an sdcard can do that there are no alternatives for.

I'm use to people making the argument that a worse phone is better.
But they don't know anything about basic logic since that makes no sense.

A phone with the slot, everything else being equal, can not only do >>EVERYTHING that the phone without the slot can do, but it can do more.

Yup. It can also collect dust and crud. Same with the USB port I never use
(wireless charging).

I'm sure the USB port requires repairs far more than does the sd slot.

That over 75% of Samsung phones have the industry-standard slot tells you
that the leading Android maker considers that sdslot important to people.

Hopefully my next phone will be hole free.

I'm sure that Google & Apple appreciate that everything costs you hundreds
of dollars more than it does for people who use the holes on the phone.

USB port (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)
Aux jack (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)
card slot (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)

Notice Google & Samsung love people like you who will end up paying
something like a thousand dollars more for each phone w/o the holes.

And what it can do no phone on the planet without a slot can hope to do. >>That's worth a lot when you need it; and it's worth nothing if you don't.

As I said, 5+ years with no need of the holes on my phone. I suppose some
will bitch when the power plug leaves too. Being modern I use my phone
wirelessly, both charging and data. But as always the market will decide...

The market doesn't really decide. Otherwise we'd have no laws against
companies forcing the companies to do what they have to do, by law.

There would be no lawsuits if the companies did what they're supposed to
do, especially when they reach the all-powerful status of Google & Apple.

Since Google & Apple have all-powerful status, they run roughshod over the people, and one (small) way they do that is they take away a basic piece of hardware so that they get hundreds of dollars per consumer in pure profits.

All things being equal, a phone without the sdslot will cost the consumer hundreds of dollars to accomplish what that phone with the slot can do.

Google & Apple aren't stupid. They know this. It's part of their strategy.
They prey on people saying "oh, it's just a few hundred dollars" every day.

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Peter wrote:

AJL

But now you're claiming you have to log into Google for Android to work? >Where did you get the idea that you have to sign into Google?

Most all of my Android devices have been that way.

Since you're a developer,

I'm not a developer.

you're well aware signing into Google is no more
necessary than signing into your bank account or signing into Samsung.

My bank account does require signing in.

My main point of contention is simply that a phone without the slot is an >inferior phone to one with the slot, all things being equal otherwise.

Kinda like a car is inferior to a pickup because it doesn't have the extra
storage capacity?

That over 75% of Samsung phones have the industry-standard slot tells you >that the leading Android maker considers that sdslot important to people.

Only if they keep selling. The market will eventually decide as it always
does.

Hopefully my next phone will be hole free.

I'm sure that Google & Apple appreciate that everything costs you hundreds
of dollars more than it does for people who use the holes on the phone.

USB port (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)
Aux jack (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)
card slot (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)

Just the opposite. Less manufacturing cost leads to less retail cost.

The market doesn't really decide. Otherwise we'd have no laws against >companies forcing the companies to do what they have to do, by law.

Course the market decides. Many (most?) folks shop by price. Phones that
don't sell are cancelled. And when those few who actually shop for holes
dwindle, no more holey phones either... 8-O

Google & Apple aren't stupid. They know this. It's part of their strategy. >They prey on people saying "oh, it's just a few hundred dollars" every day.

Not me. Google gets my $2 US/mo online storage and that's it. I don't see
that changing anytime soon since I'm not in the market for any Pixels. And
thanks Google for all those free services I use every day...

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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

But now you're claiming you have to log into Google for Android to work? >>Where did you get the idea that you have to sign into Google?

Most all of my Android devices have been that way.

Most of my Android devices have not only the sd card slot, but a card.
More relevant, 3/4 of today's Samsung phones have the standard slot.

Since you're a developer,

I'm not a developer.

Oh. My mistake. I apologize. But even so, I assume you knew you don't need
to log into Google for Android to work any more than you need to log into
the Colorado Time Server to get the time that is on my watch on my wrist.

you're well aware signing into Google is no more
necessary than signing into your bank account or signing into Samsung.

My bank account does require signing in.

If you're insisting that Android won't work without signing into Google,
then you should stop insisting that because nobody would say that.

My main point of contention is simply that a phone without the slot is an >>inferior phone to one with the slot, all things being equal otherwise.

Kinda like a car is inferior to a pickup because it doesn't have the extra
storage capacity?

No. If you think that, it means you don't have any idea what an sd slot is.

It's like having two cars - exactly the same in every way except one.
One has a trunk to store appreciable stuff. The other has no trunk.

The vehicle without the trunk is inferior given it can't do what the other vehicle can do, while the other vehicle can do EVERYTHING the other can.

That over 75% of Samsung phones have the industry-standard slot tells you >>that the leading Android maker considers that sdslot important to people.

Only if they keep selling. The market will eventually decide as it always
does.

We really can't go further since you don't appear to know what an sd slot
does. You're not aware that it's impossible to gain that functionality.

You bought a functionally inferior product - and that's perfectly OK.

What you do is pay hundreds of dollars to get "some" of the missing functionality back - and then you tell people that they should pay also.

In fact, you ridiculed the people who make smarter decisions than you do.

Why don't you just own up to the fact that you purchased a functionally inferior product which you then have to pay hundreds to get the
functionality that a similar product with an sdslot would give you?

USB port (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)
Aux jack (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)
card slot (you have to pay more to compensate for its loss)

Just the opposite. Less manufacturing cost leads to less retail cost.

The market has decided. Most Androids have all three ports.
Mine does.

But then I don't purchase functionally inferior products like you do.

The market doesn't really decide. Otherwise we'd have no laws against >>companies forcing the companies to do what they have to do, by law.

Course the market decides. Many (most?) folks shop by price. Phones that
don't sell are cancelled. And when those few who actually shop for holes
dwindle, no more holey phones either... 8-O

The market does decide (as long as the monopolies don't break the law).

Why do you think Samsung is the biggest single phone seller in the world?
And most Samsung phones have all three ports.

Google & Apple aren't stupid. They know this. It's part of their strategy. >>They prey on people saying "oh, it's just a few hundred dollars" every day.

Not me. Google gets my $2 US/mo online storage and that's it. I don't see
that changing anytime soon since I'm not in the market for any Pixels. And
thanks Google for all those free services I use every day...

How long do you plan on holding on to that Pixel? Five years? Seven? Ten?
Let's take ten (or even twenty as you'll still have to have a phone then).

Two dollars a month is $24 per year time ten years is $240 dollars, right? Double that for the next 20 years that you'll need a phone, so it's ~$500.

What that means is you bought an inferior product which requires an outlay
of about five hundred dollars just to get the functionality of an sdcard.

Google loves people like you just as much as Apple loves its iPhone whales. Your decision is so bad you have to pay hundreds to fix your bad choices.

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On 4/3/25 6:05 PM, Peter wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

We really can't go further...

I finally agree with you.

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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

We really can't go further...

I finally agree with you.

Finally! We agree!

See? I told you we could work together to a suitable outcome. :)

Good luck. It was good conversing with you. I learned a lot. Thanks.

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Hello, AJL.
On 02.04.2025 21:22 you wrote:

I always chuckle over pennies per month comparisons. Are folks really that broke??

Why pay more when you can pay less? You are NOT a rich man ;) The rich don't pay at all.

All I need is 70GB so having 100GB or 100TB would make no difference to me. YMMV.

70 GB is the level of free services.

Another advantage for me is that since I am assimilated into the Google Universe my off site
Google storage shows up in the local drives of my Chrome devices. Likewise in the Google Drive
app in my Android devices. No browser needed...

does anyone else use browsers for this? You are telling me this as an achievement on a universal scale, it has long been commonplace.


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On 4/14/25 1:21 AM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

AJL wrote:

I always chuckle over pennies per month comparisons. Are folks really that broke??

Why pay more when you can pay less? You are NOT a rich man ;)

Rich or poor I don't waste time over pennies a month. I actually sometimes
treat myself to an extra soda a day. And that often comes to (gasp) 100
times/month $$$ more than my horribly expensive Google Drive does... 8-O

The rich don't pay at all.

Course they do. They just don't worry about a few $100s a month.

All I need is 70GB so having 100GB or 100TB would make no difference to me. YMMV.

70 GB is the level of free services.

Oh darn I have 70.5GB.

Another advantage for me is that since I am assimilated into the Google Universe my off site Google storage shows up in the local drives of my Chrome devices. Likewise in the Google Drive app in my Android devices. No browser needed...

does anyone else use browsers for this?

I did before abandoning that nasty Windows. Not anymore. I'm Freeeeeeeee...

You are telling me this as an achievement on a universal scale, it has long been commonplace.

Dunno how universal it is but it's good for me. YMMV

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Hello, AJL.
On 14.04.2025 15:27 you wrote:

Rich or poor I don't waste time over pennies a month. I actually sometimes treat myself to an
extra soda a day. And that often comes to (gasp) 100 times/month $$$ more than my horribly
expensive Google Drive does... 8-O

I eat a lot more, but I won't pay more for anything that costs less ;) habit..

Course they do. They just don't worry about a few $100s a month.

No. We don't really pay ;)
We say "a penny saves a ruble." That $100 for every little thing every day is $200-500k per year. I'll find a nicer place for them to invest.

Oh darn I have 70.5GB.

It doesn't matter if it's 100 Gb.

I did before abandoning that nasty Windows. Not anymore. I'm Freeeeeeeee...

I haven't been friends with Microsoft for 20 years already ;)
And I don't have a computer ;)

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On 4/14/25 9:31 AM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 14.04.2025 15:27 you wrote:

Rich or poor I don't waste time over pennies a month. I actually sometimes treat myself to an
extra soda a day. And that often comes to (gasp) 100 times/month $$$ more than my horribly
expensive Google Drive does... 8-O

I eat a lot more, but I won't pay more for anything that costs less ;) habit..

YMMV.

Course they do. They just don't worry about a few $100s a month.

No. We don't really pay ;)
We say "a penny saves a ruble." That $100 for every little thing every day is $200-500k per year. I'll find a nicer place for them to invest.

$100/day is a bit different than $2/month to me. YMMV.

Oh darn I have 70.5GB.

It doesn't matter if it's 100 Gb.

I was being snarky. For my limited use I wouldn't change online drives if I
could get 100000000GB free.

I did before abandoning that nasty Windows. Not anymore. I'm Freeeeeeeee...

I haven't been friends with Microsoft for 20 years already ;)
And I don't have a computer ;)

Depends on your definition of a computer I suppose. It appears that you're
using a computing device (computer) to post here...

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Hello, AJL.
On 14.04.2025 17:55 you wrote:

$100/day is a bit different than $2/month to me. YMMV.

it depends on what they are spent on ;)

I was being snarky. For my limited use I wouldn't change online drives if I could get
100000000GB free.

So mine are online, including the operating system.

Depends on your definition of a computer I suppose. It appears that you're using a computing
device (computer) to post here...

to write here, I use a smartphone, a phablet etc..
I haven't had a computer as such in the usual sense for 15-18 years. And that doesn't stop me from programming and disassembling in any way.

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On 4/14/25 11:52 AM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 14.04.2025 17:55 you wrote:

$100/day is a bit different than $2/month to me. YMMV.

it depends on what they are spent on ;)

I was being snarky. For my limited use I wouldn't change online drives if I could get
100000000GB free.

So mine are online, including the operating system.

Depends on your definition of a computer I suppose. It appears that you're using a computing
device (computer) to post here...

to write here, I use a smartphone, a phablet etc..

I sometimes post using my smartphone when out and killing time waiting for
the family shopper, but that small screen is difficult on these old thumbs.
At home I mostly post with this Amazon Fire tablet but sometimes I splurge
and break out a Chromebook.

I haven't had a computer as such in the usual sense for 15-18 years.

Me neither unless laptops and tablets count.

And that doesn't stop me from programming

Me neither. I used to have to get all my programming from the old paper TV
Guide but nowadays it's all online...

and disassembling in any way.
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Hello, AJL.
On 14.04.2025 20:07 you wrote:

I sometimes post using my smartphone when out and killing time waiting for the family shopper,
but that small screen is difficult on these old thumbs. At home I mostly post with this Amazon
Fire tablet but sometimes I splurge and break out a Chromebook.

I use my phone to talk on the phone, not my smartphone. A 7-inch phablet smartphone with a 16:9 aspect ratio is convenient enough to put it in your pocket and write or read without strain.
In fact, it doesn't really matter if it's a 13" tablet or a 6.8" smartphone.

Me neither unless laptops and count.

I accidentally found the laptop in the garage in the fall. Now it's a nostalgia platform with debian and slackware ;)

Me neither. I used to have to get all my programming from the old paper TV Guide but nowadays
it's all online...

Creating android apps is just a hobby


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On 4/14/25 4:01 PM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 14.04.2025 20:07 you wrote:

I sometimes post using my smartphone when out and killing time waiting for the family shopper,
but that small screen is difficult on these old thumbs. At home I mostly post with this Amazon
Fire tablet but sometimes I splurge and break out a Chromebook.

I use my phone to talk on the phone, not my smartphone.

Do you mean a home phone or perhaps a non-smart cellphone? I think these
days most folks call their smartphone just a 'phone'. I usually do. I guess
I just copied your (now snipped) 'smartphone' use in your earlier post.

A 7-inch phablet smartphone with a 16:9 aspect ratio is convenient enough to put it in your pocket and write or read without strain.

a 7 incher would be a bit big for my shirt pocket which is where I often
carry my phone. My Galaxy S10+ at 6.4 inches just barely fits.

In fact, it doesn't really matter if it's a 13" tablet or a 6.8" smartphone.

Does to me. I much prefer posting using this 10 inch Amazon tablet. But as
I said earlier, if I'm trapped out waiting for you know who shopping I can
suffer through some posting using my phone. But as always YMMV...

Me neither unless laptops and count.

I accidentally found the laptop in the garage in the fall. Now it's a nostalgia platform with debian and slackware ;)

Me neither. I used to have to get all my programming from the old paper TV Guide but nowadays
it's all online...

Creating android apps is just a hobby

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Hello, AJL.
On 17.04.2025 16:19 you wrote:

Do you mean a home phone or perhaps a non-smart cellphone? I think these days most folks call
their smartphone just a 'phone'. I usually do. I guess I just copied your (now snipped)
'smartphone' use in your earlier post.

Non-smart of course. I love them. You can charge it once a month and not think about whether you have enough charge for a day. There are also those where there is no main consumer - the screen ;)

a 7 incher would be a bit big for my shirt pocket which is where I often carry my phone. My
Galaxy S10+ at 6.4 inches just barely fits.

The format is also important. 16:9 is not the same as 26:8 ;)
I usually carry it in the back pocket of my jeans or in the breast pocket. Mass also matters. Up to 200 grams is normal.

Does to me. I much prefer posting using this 10 inch Amazon tablet. But as I said earlier, if
I'm trapped out waiting for you know who shopping I can suffer through some posting using my
phone. But as always YMMV...

Habits.. Once upon a time, about 15 years ago, I couldn't figure out how and where to use the tablet. I can't live without him now ;)


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On 4/17/25 11:52 AM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 17.04.2025 16:19 you wrote:

Do you mean a home phone or perhaps a non-smart cellphone? I think these days most folks call
their smartphone just a 'phone'. I usually do. I guess I just copied your (now snipped)
'smartphone' use in your earlier post.

Non-smart of course. I love them. You can charge it once a month and not think about whether you have enough charge for a day. There are also those where there is no main consumer - the screen ;)

Ah. Been decades since I had one of those. I never have to worry about
having enough charge the next day. I just lay this (smart)phone on the
wireless charger every night and start out the next day at 100%. They say
that's bad for the battery but I've got 5+ years on it now and so far no
problems (knocks on wood)...

083291>

a 7 incher would be a bit big for my shirt pocket which is where I often carry my phone. My
Galaxy S10+ at 6.4 inches just barely fits.

The format is also important. 16:9 is not the same as 26:8 ;)
I usually carry it in the back pocket of my jeans or in the breast pocket. Mass also matters. Up to 200 grams is normal.

Does to me. I much prefer posting using this 10 inch Amazon tablet.

But as I said earlier, if

I'm trapped out waiting for you know who shopping I can suffer through some posting using my
phone. But as always YMMV...

Speak of the devil. I'm posting this from a Safeway grocery store...

Habits.. Once upon a time, about 15 years ago, I couldn't figure out how and where to use the tablet. I can't live without him now ;)

Me neither. My problem is which one. I have several (toys)...

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Hello, AJL.
On 17.04.2025 20:18 you wrote:

Ah. Been decades since I had one of those. I never have to worry about having enough charge
the next day. I just lay this (smart)phone on the wireless charger every night and start out
the next day at 100%. They say that's bad for the battery but I've got 5+ years on it now and
so far no problems (knocks on wood)...

No, it's not that kind of phone at all. You probably can't remember them because you're young ;)
I really don't charge my phone once a day or once a week. At best, once every three weeks for half an hour. It holds a guaranteed charge for a month, in active conversational mode.
Nothing "smart", just a device for mobile phone voice communication.

Speak of the devil. I'm posting this from a Safeway grocery store...

The devil is in the details ;)

Me neither. My problem is which one. I have several (toys)...

I have no problems, I see no obstacles ;)

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On 4/17/25 3:34 PM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 17.04.2025 20:18 you wrote:

Ah. Been decades since I had one of those. I never have to worry about having enough charge
the next day. I just lay this (smart)phone on the wireless charger every night and start out
the next day at 100%. They say that's bad for the battery but I've got 5+ years on it now and
so far no problems (knocks on wood)...

No, it's not that kind of phone at all. You probably can't remember them because you're young ;)

I really don't charge my phone once a day or once a week. At best, once every three weeks for half an hour. It holds a guaranteed charge for a month, in active conversational mode.
Nothing "smart", just a device for mobile phone voice communication.

Comes out the same I think. My phone's been active 24/7 for over 5 years
now. It lays fully active next to the bed on the wireless charger every
night and I start out the next day at 100%. So we both have full use of our
phones months (month for you?) without worrying about the charge.

And my (smart)phone does have some advantages. For example I got a $100 US
check in the mail yesterday and used my phone to deposit it. Very handy, no
trip needed to the bank. But then virtually everybody here carries
smartphones, likely for the advantages over the bad old days. Not there?

Speak of the devil. I'm posting this from a Safeway grocery store...

The devil is in the details ;)

Me neither. My problem is which one. I have several (toys)...

I have no problems, I see no obstacles ;)

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Hello, AJL.
On 19.04.2025 21:04 you wrote:

Comes out the same I think. My phone's been active 24/7 for over 5 years now. It lays fully
active next to the bed on the wireless charger every night and I start out the next day at
100%. So we both have full use of our phones months (month for you?) without worrying about
the charge.

I'm often in the fields. Where sockets and electrical lines were not delivered. And I really don't like carrying around too much, and even more so keeping radio-emitting devices near my body, especially at night. Where ive fell down and fell asleep,
without thinking that im needed to charge some kind of phone. The phone should not consume such an amount of energy a priori.

And my (smart)phone does have some advantages. For example I got a $100 US check in the mail
yesterday and used my phone to deposit it. Very handy, no trip needed to the bank. But then
virtually everybody here carries smartphones, likely for the advantages over the bad old days.
Not there?

I was lucky enough to be born and spend my childhood, youth and part of my adulthood WITHOUT mobile phones at all. You need to communicate eye to eye, and meet more often.


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On 4/19/25 3:16 PM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 19.04.2025 21:04 you wrote:

Comes out the same I think. My phone's been active 24/7 for over 5 years now. It lays fully
active next to the bed on the wireless charger every night and I start out the next day at
100%. So we both have full use of our phones months (month for you?) without worrying about
the charge.

I'm often in the fields. Where sockets and electrical lines were not delivered. And I really don't like carrying around too much,

As always YMMV.

and even more so keeping radio-emitting devices near my body,

I got my ham ticket in 1957 and have been radiated by various radio toys
ever since. I ran a homebrew 1000 watt HF mobile rig for awhile. The
antenna was 5 feet from the drivers seat. Bet that cooked up a few of my
cells. So it's probably a little late for radiation paranoia for me...

especially at night. Where ive fell down and fell asleep, without thinking that im needed to charge some kind of phone. The phone should not consume such an amount of energy a priori.

And my (smart)phone does have some advantages. For example I got a $100 US check in the mail
yesterday and used my phone to deposit it. Very handy, no trip needed to the bank. But then
virtually everybody here carries smartphones, likely for the advantages over the bad old days.
Not there?

I was lucky enough to be born and spend my childhood, youth and part of my adulthood WITHOUT mobile phones at all. You need to communicate eye to eye, and meet more often.

Yup. My youth was rough too. A 4 party line phone attached to the wall with
a (gasp) wire... 8-O

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Hello, AJL.
On 20.04.2025 04:00 you wrote:

I got my ham ticket in 1957 and have been radiated by various radio toys ever since. I ran a
homebrew 1000 watt HF mobile rig for awhile. The antenna was 5 feet from the drivers seat. Bet
that cooked up a few of my cells. So it's probably a little late for radiation paranoia for
me...

It's visible ;)
very noticeable.
Yes, it's time to get used to the soil ;)


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On 4/20/25 5:45 AM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 20.04.2025 04:00 you wrote:

I got my ham ticket in 1957 and have been radiated by various radio toys ever since. I ran a
homebrew 1000 watt HF mobile rig for awhile. The antenna was 5 feet from the drivers seat. Bet
that cooked up a few of my cells. So it's probably a little late for radiation paranoia for
me...

It's visible ;)
very noticeable.

Nope. What you see is from not wearing sunscreen, not radio poisoning.

Yes, it's time to get used to the soil ;)

Gosh, things were going just great and now you have to go and make a dirty
remark...

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Hello, AJL.
On 20.04.2025 16:09 you wrote:

Nope. What you see is from not wearing sunscreen, not radio poisoning.

I don't wear creams ;)
I don't feel very good in my sleep when I know that someone wants to talk to me. The so-called "telephone law" - no, I am strongly against it. If you want to talk, come over. If you can't, write. And we'll discuss when we can talk on the phone. But not
like that, calling without asking. Some people actually call at night.
And a phone with only a phone function - yes, I really like it. I also use smartphones, but I don't like to talk on shovel.

Gosh, things were going just great and now you have to go and make a dirty remark...

What do you know about dirt?? It's just a joke ;)
Sorry, maybe I was too harsh.

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On 4/20/25 11:12 AM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 20.04.2025 16:09 you wrote:

Nope. What you see is from not wearing sunscreen, not radio poisoning.

I don't wear creams ;)

I don't feel very good in my sleep when I know that someone wants to talk to me.

It's an emergency call thing with me. I have 50+ close relatives (kids,
grand and great-grandkids) locally and spread around the USA. Any calls I
get overnight would likely be a problem so I need to leave the phone on.

I also use the DND capability on my phone so no others can ring it overnight
but can go to Voicemail so no sleep lost...

The so-called "telephone law" - no, I am strongly against it. If you want to talk, come over. If you can't, write. And we'll discuss when we can talk on the phone. But not like that, calling without asking. Some people actually call at night.
And a phone with only a phone function - yes, I really like it. I also use smartphones, but I don't like to talk on shovel.

Gosh, things were going just great and now you have to go and make a dirty remark...

What do you know about dirt?? It's just a joke ;)

So was mine a joke. A play on words...

Sorry, maybe I was too harsh.

Likely lost in translation?

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Hello, AJL.
On 20.04.2025 19:29 you wrote:

On 4/20/25 11:12 AM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote: It's an emergency call thing with me. I have 50+
close relatives (kids, grand and great-grandkids) locally and spread around the USA. Any calls
I get overnight would likely be a problem so I need to leave the phone on.

You are loving, btw ;)

Since childhood, I have taught my children to solve all problems on their own. And don't be afraid of anything. As long as it works, I can safely and without warning go on a long and long trip. Where theys won't even be able to call me.

So was mine a joke. A play on words... Likely lost in translation?

Maybe, I don't always think in English. But it's said imho as intended. Maybe it only sounds dirty in certain areas where I haven't lived. It is not so easy to remember absolutely all the "features of national communication", even in a language as
simple as English ;)



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On 4/21/25 7:36 AM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

So was mine a joke. A play on words... Likely lost in translation?

Maybe, I don't always think in English. But it's said imho as intended. Maybe it only sounds dirty in certain areas where I haven't lived. It is not so easy to remember absolutely all the "features of national communication", even in a language as

simple as English ;)

My metro area (pop 2m) is over 40% Hispanic. I once tried to learn Spanish
to help in an earlier life as a street cop but failed. So I have great
respect for you multi-speakers...

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Hello, AJL.
On 21.04.2025 17:28 you wrote:

My metro area (pop 2m) is over 40% Hispanic. I once tried to learn Spanish to help in an
earlier life as a street cop but failed. So I have great respect for you multi-speakers...

I was forced by work/service, and only then did my own interest arise, and as a result, I speak nine languages, some of which are very rare, and understand the related ones quite well.
Children born and raised in a Russian-speaking environment began to speak different languages, foreign ones. Perhaps because Dad sometimes spoke to someone else in foreign languages. But when the children grew up, they began to learn languages themselves
and difficulties arose - they needed proof that their first words were foreign, and meaningful and correct. Fortunately, I recorded a lot of videos ;)

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On 4/21/25 11:00 PM, Oleg Nazaroff wrote:

Hello, AJL.
On 21.04.2025 17:28 you wrote:

My metro area (pop 2m) is over 40% Hispanic. I once tried to learn Spanish to help in an
earlier life as a street cop but failed. So I have great respect for you multi-speakers...

I was forced by work/service, and only then did my own interest arise, and as a result, I speak nine languages, some of which are very rare, and understand the related ones quite well.
Children born and raised in a Russian-speaking environment began to speak different languages, foreign ones. Perhaps because Dad sometimes spoke to someone else in foreign languages. But when the children grew up, they began to learn languages

themselves and difficulties arose - they needed proof that their first words were foreign, and meaningful and correct. Fortunately, I recorded a lot of videos ;)

I suppose learning a language is like learning to play the piano. Some pick
it up easier and quicker than others. YMMV fits well here. In the future if
I ever need to speak to a non-English speaker I'll just get an Android
interpreter app and let my phone do the talking. Easy-Peasy. And bingo that
also brings us back on topic...

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Hello, AJL.
On 22.04.2025 07:00 you wrote:

I suppose learning a language is like learning to play the piano. Some pick it up easier and
quicker than others. YMMV fits well here. In the future if I ever need to speak to a
non-English speaker I'll just get an Android interpreter app and let my phone do the talking.
Easy-Peasy. And bingo that also brings us back on topic...

I first started playing the piano seriously at the age of 50+, when I had enough time for it. But, "balls get in the way of a bad dancer," I still have a big problem playing different melodies with different hands.. With one hand (any) - any melody, with
two simultaneously on different octaves - too. But different things are different hand - it's just impossible! ;) I'm not even talking about the fact that all my hands and fingers are repeatedly broken.
We have a different expression, "All markers taste and color different" ;)
No, for students - no android, no hints. You have to master everything yourself. So that it doesn't happen like today - my wife asks me, is the word "sees" written with an "e" or with an "i" (in russian ;)? An adult! At the same time, he gives me a
tirade of rules that I personally won't even remember if I really want to, and tells me "I remember the rules, but I don't know how to apply them!". That's how we live...;)



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