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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I'm telling you, I could bake one of those flimsy iMac devices,Bullshit.
even with Silicon, it's a different animal than IntelAMD to be sure,
but there would come a point when it just wasn't designed to handle
what Win11, and emulating all those x86 apps, would do.
Your implication is that it would CHANGE after "six months".
But computers don't change, doofus.
They perish from heat.No. They don't.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No. They don't.I'm telling you, I could bake one of those flimsy iMac devices,Bullshit.
even with Silicon, it's a different animal than IntelAMD to be sure, >>>>> but there would come a point when it just wasn't designed to handle
what Win11, and emulating all those x86 apps, would do.
Your implication is that it would CHANGE after "six months".
But computers don't change, doofus.
They perish from heat.
Not if they're properly maintained.
And most certainly not in "six months".
Interesting that you suddenly decided to snip that part of what you
claimed, huh?
I stand by the claim. iMac's design would be crushed by heavy Win11 computing.You stand by something you cannot explain in rational terms.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I stand by the claim. iMac's design would be crushed by heavy Win11You stand by something you cannot explain in rational terms.
computing.
Got it.
I put Win7 on a MacBook and it killed it, physically.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I stand by the claim. iMac's design would be crushed by heavy Win11 >>>>> computing.You stand by something you cannot explain in rational terms.
Got it.
I put Win7 on a MacBook and it killed it, physically.
Explain how.
The design was unlike contemporary PC laptops.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I stand by the claim. iMac's design would be crushed by heavy Win11 >>>>>>> computing.You stand by something you cannot explain in rational terms.
Got it.
I put Win7 on a MacBook and it killed it, physically.
Explain how.
The design was unlike contemporary PC laptops.
That is you dodging an actual explanation.
It heats it via the CPU and/or video, disk access, overloads circuits,You might say it...
you might say.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
[Windows 11 in a new iMac] heats it via the CPU and/or video, disk access, overloads circuits,You might say it...
you might say.
...but that's because you don't have a clue how computers operate.
"Overloads circuits"? That's not a thing.
And CPUs have temperature sensors to automatically shut themselves down
if any of them report to high a temperature.
I know this because I kept my last MacBook for 7 years and at one point
had to open it up to renew the thermal paste that transferred heat from
the CPU to the heat sink.
It wasn't killed by anything ANY OS did.
It was temporarily disabled by the fact that something AGED.
It took 8 years for it to age that far, by the way.
Suggesting that an OS could cause something like that is like suggesting
that the ECU of a car plays a role in the brake pads needing to be replaced.
It'd be the same with a MacBook Air, they don't have the tolerance.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What...
...IN SPECIFIC...
...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?
I can't stand them. Apple is just inferior to Samsung.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
What...
...IN SPECIFIC...
...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?
I can't stand them. Apple is just inferior to Samsung.
You not "stand[ing] them" is not an objective standard.
In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone of >>choice?
The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone >>>>>> of
choice?
The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
In what...
...OBJECTIVE...
...way?
It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app
and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe
right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple
happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible
to work with"...
...you have nothing.
But let's address what little you have.
In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
Read my previous post again.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung >>>>>>>> phone of
choice?
The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
In what...
...OBJECTIVE...
...way?
It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app >>>>> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe >>>>> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple >>>>> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible >>>> to work with"...
...you have nothing.
But let's address what little you have.
In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
Read my previous post again.
Quote the part that you THINK is salient?
Do I need to explain what "salient" means?
If I didn't know what it meant, I could look it up in the fucking
dictionary, teach'.
To answer your question, I wrote: "It's
impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app and
have no route back to it".
On 2024-12-28 19:07, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung >>>>>>>>> phone of
choice?
The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
In what...
...OBJECTIVE...
...way?
It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app >>>>>> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively.
Maybe
right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and
Apple
happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is
impossible
to work with"...
...you have nothing.
But let's address what little you have.
In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
Read my previous post again.
Quote the part that you THINK is salient?
Do I need to explain what "salient" means?
If I didn't know what it meant, I could look it up in the fucking
dictionary, teach'. To answer your question, I wrote: "It's
impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app and
have no route back to it".
Hmmmm...
iOS device with a home button:
Double-click the home button and flick to the right to get back to your previous app.
iOS device without a home button:
Flick up from the bottom of the screen and then to the right...
...and then flick to your app.
How do you do it on Android?
:-)
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
iOS device with a home button:
Double-click the home button and flick to the right to get back to your >>>> previous app.
iOS device without a home button:
Flick up from the bottom of the screen and then to the right...
...and then flick to your app.
How do you do it on Android?
:-)
I can't speak to every manufacturer of Android phones, but Samsung
gives one the ability to pull up a rotating dial of apps that are
running, easily navigating and multitasking.
So... ...no different except for your ignorance of how it works on iOS.
Got it.
If I have to *learn* how to use a fucking computer with a touchscreen,
it tells me there's something *inferior* about its design - namely,
Apple forcing crapware on its victims.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Tell me the steps you need to take to actually use this "rotating dial"
on your Samsung phone.
You press one of the three buttons on the bottom, and it pops up.
Very
smooth, very clever. Something Apple will never copy though because
they're too proud of being quirky.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Both methods are fine, doofus.And that is so very different than swiping up from the bottom?Tell me the steps you need to take to actually use this "rotating
dial"
on your Samsung phone.
You press one of the three buttons on the bottom, and it pops up. Very >>>>> smooth, very clever. Something Apple will never copy though because >>>>> they're too proud of being quirky.
I swipe up from the bottom of the screen; up then to the right. Very
smooth.
The difference is what you KNOW, doofus.
Neither is more intuitive than the other.
Oh sure, fanboy, just act like your method is logical.
Both need to be learned.
But you learn *intuitively* with Samsung, I get lost with Apple.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Are you seriously claiming you didn't have to "*learn*" how to use your >>Samsung phone, doofus?iOS device with a home button:
Double-click the home button and flick to the right to get back to >>>>>> your
previous app.
iOS device without a home button:
Flick up from the bottom of the screen and then to the right...
...and then flick to your app.
How do you do it on Android?
:-)
I can't speak to every manufacturer of Android phones, but Samsung
gives one the ability to pull up a rotating dial of apps that are
running, easily navigating and multitasking.
So... ...no different except for your ignorance of how it works on iOS. >>>>
Got it.
If I have to *learn* how to use a fucking computer with a touchscreen,
it tells me there's something *inferior* about its design - namely,
Apple forcing crapware on its victims.
You just intuited how to switch between open applications?
I find that highly unlikely.
There's more than just the lame home button, is the thing.
On 2024-12-29 11:47, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Both methods are fine, doofus.And that is so very different than swiping up from the bottom?Tell me the steps you need to take to actually use this "rotating >>>>>>> dial"
on your Samsung phone.
You press one of the three buttons on the bottom, and it pops up.
Very
smooth, very clever. Something Apple will never copy though because >>>>>> they're too proud of being quirky.
I swipe up from the bottom of the screen; up then to the right. Very >>>>> smooth.
The difference is what you KNOW, doofus.
Neither is more intuitive than the other.
Oh sure, fanboy, just act like your method is logical.
Both need to be learned.
But you learn *intuitively* with Samsung, I get lost with Apple.
YOU get lost, loser.
That proves nothing.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Both methods are fine, doofus.And that is so very different than swiping up from the bottom?Tell me the steps you need to take to actually use this "rotating >>>>>>>> dial"
on your Samsung phone.
You press one of the three buttons on the bottom, and it pops up. >>>>>>> Very
smooth, very clever. Something Apple will never copy though because >>>>>>> they're too proud of being quirky.
I swipe up from the bottom of the screen; up then to the right. Very >>>>>> smooth.
The difference is what you KNOW, doofus.
Neither is more intuitive than the other.
Oh sure, fanboy, just act like your method is logical.
Both need to be learned.
But you learn *intuitively* with Samsung, I get lost with Apple.
YOU get lost, loser.
That proves nothing.
It proves that people with real intellect don't have time for Apple's
quirks.
On 2024-12-29 12:22, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Both methods are fine, doofus.And that is so very different than swiping up from the bottom?Tell me the steps you need to take to actually use this "rotating >>>>>>>>> dial"
on your Samsung phone.
You press one of the three buttons on the bottom, and it pops up. >>>>>>>> Very
smooth, very clever. Something Apple will never copy though
because
they're too proud of being quirky.
I swipe up from the bottom of the screen; up then to the right. Very >>>>>>> smooth.
The difference is what you KNOW, doofus.
Neither is more intuitive than the other.
Oh sure, fanboy, just act like your method is logical.
Both need to be learned.
But you learn *intuitively* with Samsung, I get lost with Apple.
YOU get lost, loser.
That proves nothing.
It proves that people with real intellect don't have time for Apple's
quirks.
LOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOL!
The more you reply, the more I'm convinced that--at best--you're just out
of puberty.
Something isn't "quirky" in general just because you can't figure it out.
The Samsung/Android method works fine, but it does mean that the buttons
take up screen real estate at all times.
The iPhone's swipe method works fine too, but it does so while taking LESS real estate.
You had to learn which button to push, I had to learn what gesture to
make.
Neither is more "quirky".
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
people with real intellect don't have time for Apple's
quirks.
So tell me this:
Why has Android's default interface switch to gesture-based...
...since Android 9 in 2018...
...which followed Apple's lead with the iPhone X released in 2017?
I don't know anything about Android phones other than Samsung, I go by
them because they're the flagship Android manufacturer, the head-to-
head competitor with Apple. I'm in love with their motif.
You are ignorant about so much it would seem...
The more ignorant I am of Apple crapware, the better.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Both methods are fine, doofus.And that is so very different than swiping up from the bottom? >>>>>>>>Tell me the steps you need to take to actually use this "rotating >>>>>>>>>> dial"
on your Samsung phone.
You press one of the three buttons on the bottom, and it pops up. >>>>>>>>> Very
smooth, very clever. Something Apple will never copy though >>>>>>>>> because
they're too proud of being quirky.
I swipe up from the bottom of the screen; up then to the right. >>>>>>>> Very smooth.
The difference is what you KNOW, doofus.
Neither is more intuitive than the other.
Oh sure, fanboy, just act like your method is logical.
Both need to be learned.
But you learn *intuitively* with Samsung, I get lost with Apple.
YOU get lost, loser.
That proves nothing.
It proves that people with real intellect don't have time for Apple's
quirks.
So tell me this:
Why has Android's default interface switch to gesture-based...
...since Android 9 in 2018...
...which followed Apple's lead with the iPhone X released in 2017?
I don't know anything about Android phones other than Samsung, I go by
them because they're the flagship Android manufacturer, the head-to-
head competitor with Apple. I'm in love with their motif.
On 2024-12-29 17:00, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:So you admit ignorance of it...
people with real intellect don't have time for Apple's
quirks.
So tell me this:
Why has Android's default interface switch to gesture-based...
...since Android 9 in 2018...
...which followed Apple's lead with the iPhone X released in 2017?
I don't know anything about Android phones other than Samsung, I go by >>>> them because they're the flagship Android manufacturer, the head-to-
head competitor with Apple. I'm in love with their motif.
You are ignorant about so much it would seem...
The more ignorant I am of Apple crapware, the better.
...but still feel you can pronounce on how well it works.
Do you see the disconnect there?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Where "logically" is defined as: "What I know already"What you actually mean is "Wah! This isn't exactly the same was whatSo you admit ignorance of it...I don't know anything about Android phones other than Samsung, I >>>>>>>>> go by
them because they're the flagship Android manufacturer, the
head-to-
head competitor with Apple. I'm in love with their motif.
You are ignorant about so much it would seem...
The more ignorant I am of Apple crapware, the better.
...but still feel you can pronounce on how well it works.
Do you see the disconnect there?
What little I saw of the iPhone was even worse than the MacBook I
owned.
I'm
used to and I don't want to learn new things!"
Not really, no, I just want things to be designed logically.
Incorrect, it's defined as what *normal* people find intuitive, as
opposed to Apple finding some niche among right-brained weirdoes.
On 2024-12-29, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
I have both a Samsung Android and a recent iPhone and to switch between applications
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jg91nj1llt5hmg8frms2iverbedogbi696@4ax.com...
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone >>>>>>>> of
choice?
The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
In what...
...OBJECTIVE...
...way?
It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app >>>>> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe >>>>> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple >>>>> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible >>>> to work with"...
...you have nothing.
But let's address what little you have.
In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
Read my previous post again.
IOW, even Joel doesn't know what he's trying to say.. just that vague waving >> of the hands in the air while saying something like 'it sucks'.
it's a similar process.
iPhone- Swipe up and the running applications appear.
Swap left/right and tap on the application you want to switch to.
Android- Tap the 3 vertical bars on bottom left screen.
The applications that are running appear just like iPhone.
Swipe left/right and tap the application you want to switch to.
So both phones require you to know to either tap the 3 vertical bars or
swipe up but after that it's exactly the same.
Once you know this it's pretty much the same thing and certainly not
a game changer either way.
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message news:jg91nj1llt5hmg8frms2iverbedogbi696@4ax.com...
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone >>>>>>> of
choice?
The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
In what...
...OBJECTIVE...
...way?
It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app
and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe >>>> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple >>>> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible >>>to work with"...
...you have nothing.
But let's address what little you have.
In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
Read my previous post again.
IOW, even Joel doesn't know what he's trying to say.. just that vague waving of the hands in the air while saying something like 'it sucks'.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 10:23, pothead wrote:
On 2024-12-29, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: >>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jg91nj1llt5hmg8frms2iverbedogbi696@4ax.com...I have both a Samsung Android and a recent iPhone and to switch between applications
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible >>>>>> to work with"...In what...In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone
of
choice?
The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive. >>>>>>>>
...OBJECTIVE...
...way?
It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app >>>>>>> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe >>>>>>> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple >>>>>>> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S. >>>>>>
...you have nothing.
But let's address what little you have.
In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
Read my previous post again.
IOW, even Joel doesn't know what he's trying to say.. just that vague waving
of the hands in the air while saying something like 'it sucks'.
it's a similar process.
iPhone- Swipe up and the running applications appear.
Swap left/right and tap on the application you want to switch to.
Android- Tap the 3 vertical bars on bottom left screen.
The applications that are running appear just like iPhone.
Swipe left/right and tap the application you want to switch to.
So both phones require you to know to either tap the 3 vertical bars or
swipe up but after that it's exactly the same.
Once you know this it's pretty much the same thing and certainly not
a game changer either way.
Exactly.
No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
iOS requires.
Joel wrote:
I'll be 48 in March.It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
on society.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned. >>>But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think tooAnd how did you learn which button to press?
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
Joel wrote:
I'll be 48 in March.It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
on society.
Hahahahaha!
My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
you right-wing, moronic turds.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned. >>>But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
Joel wrote:
I'll be 48 in March.It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
on society.
Hahahahaha!
My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
you right-wing, moronic turds.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 11:57, Joel wrote:
Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
Joel wrote:
I'll be 48 in March.It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
on society.
Hahahahaha!
My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
you right-wing, moronic turds.
Truly you are a legend in your own mind.
You aren't aware of my identity as the second coming of Christ?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And how did you learn which button to press?You press it and get results, without having to learn or think tooNo user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like >>>>> iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus? >>>
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
By doing it ...
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think tooNo user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like >>>>> iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus? >>>
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
So that's your definition of "intuitive": just take a guess?
It's not a guess. There are only so many things the button could be.
Apple is trying to be fancier, and making a piece of crap in the
process.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And how did you learn which button to press?No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like >>>>>>> iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
By doing it ...
So you do know that when you get a new iPhone, it gives you the thing
you need to know, right?
:-)
Instructions? I'd rather just be able to start using it, effectively.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like >>>>>>> iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
So that's your definition of "intuitive": just take a guess?
It's not a guess. There are only so many things the button could be.
Apple is trying to be fancier, and making a piece of crap in the
process.
Dude, you're really reaching right now.
There's one--well one and half gestures you need to learn, and the
second part follows from the first.
You swipe straight up to unlock the phone and to return to the home screen. >>
Add "and to the right" or "and just pause for a moment" to that gesture
and you're in the app switcher.
It's easily findable.
To me, that sounds like you're making my case for me - why can't Apple
just make a phone with all the controls that would logically be
required? Is Samsung somehow inelegant for including the buttons? Is
it more elegant to not have them, and have this scheme of swiping?
WTF!
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And how did you learn which button to press?No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like >>>>>>>>> iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too >>>>>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
By doing it ...
So you do know that when you get a new iPhone, it gives you the thing
you need to know, right?
:-)
Instructions? I'd rather just be able to start using it, effectively.
You're lying if you pretend that you learned everything you know with no
instructions.
A smartphone shouldn't need instructions for the most basic UINonsense.
features.
On 2024-12-30, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 11:57, Joel wrote:
Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some >>>> news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
Joel wrote:
I'll be 48 in March.It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
on society.
Hahahahaha!
My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of >>> you right-wing, moronic turds.
Truly you are a legend in your own mind.
You aren't aware of my identity as the second coming of Christ?
Impossible.
Snit claims he is the second coming of Christ.
How there be 2 of you lunatics?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
why can't Apple
just make a phone with all the controls that would logically be
required? Is Samsung somehow inelegant for including the buttons? Is
it more elegant to not have them, and have this scheme of swiping?
WTF!
Because the controls you use take up space ALL THE TIME.
And to use a modern smartphone is to use gestures for almost everything,
so why not for basic navigation.
Android has switched to Apple's way of doing things because it works.
If you like the iPhone, have at it, I do not.
On 2025-01-03 12:19, Joel wrote:
Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> wrote:You really say the most idiotic things.
On 01 Jan 2025, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:2qvbnj9pt42qal6ae9ii72gloeorlkigo8@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-01 18:02, Byrd wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:q788nj57oare1scvi4j3udr21dk0ig9qpk@4ax.com:
people's minds work differently, if people prefer Apple's motifs for >>>>>>> phones and computers, I don't begrudge them their right to use them, >>>>>>> but it's something I can't relate to.
Apple is proof positive that a market for stupid people exists.
Whatever makes you feel superior!
For what it could be worth, Alan, I do think you are an exception,
among Apple fans. You actually see it as Unix/BSD/Mach along with
macOS-limitations.
Fixed that for you.
Nah, it's not limitations. I can do anything with a Mac that would be
necessary, it's just that I'd rather do it in style, Linux gives me
that, and Windows would on an i9 with 64 GB RAM.
You'd need an i9 and 64GB of RAM to do what you've admitted you do?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-03 12:19, Joel wrote:
Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> wrote:You really say the most idiotic things.
macOS-limitations.
Fixed that for you.
Nah, it's not limitations. I can do anything with a Mac that would be
necessary, it's just that I'd rather do it in style, Linux gives me
that, and Windows would on an i9 with 64 GB RAM.
You'd need an i9 and 64GB of RAM to do what you've admitted you do?
The point is that Win11 is bloated, but what are you saying I've
"admitted" doing that is so odd, pray tell?
On 2025-01-03 15:40, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Nothing.
On 2025-01-03 12:19, Joel wrote:
Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> wrote:You really say the most idiotic things.
macOS-limitations.
Fixed that for you.
Nah, it's not limitations. I can do anything with a Mac that would be >>>> necessary, it's just that I'd rather do it in style, Linux gives me
that, and Windows would on an i9 with 64 GB RAM.
You'd need an i9 and 64GB of RAM to do what you've admitted you do?
The point is that Win11 is bloated, but what are you saying I've
"admitted" doing that is so odd, pray tell?
It's just that none of it would require an i9 and 64GB of RAM even if you were running Windows 11
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You are so full of shit.Nothing.The point is that Win11 is bloated, but what are you saying I'veWindows would [perform as well as Linux] on an i9 with 64 GB RAM. >>>>>> You really say the most idiotic things.
You'd need an i9 and 64GB of RAM to do what you've admitted you do? >>>>>
"admitted" doing that is so odd, pray tell?
It's just that none of it would require an i9 and 64GB of RAM even if
you were running Windows 11
"Require" is the wrong word, though, "be comfortable to use with" is
more it. I could boot Win11 24H2, on this machine, I realize, but I
wouldn't, because it'd be bloated trash.
First of all for a computer if you need to "be comfortable to use with"...
...that's REQUIRE!
Second of all, it's complete an utter bullshit that you need that much
to "be comfortable to use with".
It's slightly exaggerated - but less than you think. Buy an iMac and
put Win11ARM on it on bare metal, and drive it hard for six months.
See if it survives.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I stand by the claim. iMac's design would be crushed by heavy Win11 >>>>> computing.You stand by something you cannot explain in rational terms.
Got it.
I put Win7 on a MacBook and it killed it, physically.
Explain how.
The design was unlike contemporary PC laptops.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No. They don't.I'm telling you, I could bake one of those flimsy iMac devices,Bullshit.
even with Silicon, it's a different animal than IntelAMD to be sure, >>>>> but there would come a point when it just wasn't designed to handle
what Win11, and emulating all those x86 apps, would do.
Your implication is that it would CHANGE after "six months".
But computers don't change, doofus.
They perish from heat.
Not if they're properly maintained.
And most certainly not in "six months".
Interesting that you suddenly decided to snip that part of what you >>claimed, huh?
I stand by the claim. iMac's design would be crushed by heavy Win11 computing.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I stand by the claim. iMac's design would be crushed by heavy Win11 >>>>>>> computing.You stand by something you cannot explain in rational terms.
Got it.
I put Win7 on a MacBook and it killed it, physically.
Explain how.
The design was unlike contemporary PC laptops.
That is you dodging an actual explanation.
It heats it via the CPU and/or video, disk access, overloads circuits,
you might say.
On 2025-01-05 19:50, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
[Windows 11 in a new iMac] heats it via the CPU and/or video, diskYou might say it...
access, overloads circuits,
you might say.
...but that's because you don't have a clue how computers operate.
"Overloads circuits"? That's not a thing.
And CPUs have temperature sensors to automatically shut themselves down
if any of them report to high a temperature.
I know this because I kept my last MacBook for 7 years and at one point
had to open it up to renew the thermal paste that transferred heat from
the CPU to the heat sink.
It wasn't killed by anything ANY OS did.
It was temporarily disabled by the fact that something AGED.
It took 8 years for it to age that far, by the way.
Suggesting that an OS could cause something like that is like suggesting >>> that the ECU of a car plays a role in the brake pads needing to be
replaced.
It'd be the same with a MacBook Air, they don't have the tolerance.
You are utterly clueless.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
[Windows 11 in a new iMac] heats it via the CPU and/or video, diskYou might say it...
access, overloads circuits,
you might say.
...but that's because you don't have a clue how computers operate.
"Overloads circuits"? That's not a thing.
And CPUs have temperature sensors to automatically shut themselves down
if any of them report to high a temperature.
I know this because I kept my last MacBook for 7 years and at one point
had to open it up to renew the thermal paste that transferred heat from
the CPU to the heat sink.
It wasn't killed by anything ANY OS did.
It was temporarily disabled by the fact that something AGED.
It took 8 years for it to age that far, by the way.
Suggesting that an OS could cause something like that is like suggesting >>that the ECU of a car plays a role in the brake pads needing to be >>replaced.
It'd be the same with a MacBook Air, they don't have the tolerance.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating >>systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be
learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And how did you learn which button to press?No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be
learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like >>>>> iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive",
doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
By doing it ...
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And how did you learn which button to press?No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be >>>>>>>> learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, >>>>>>> like
iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", >>>>>> doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
By doing it ...
So you do know that when you get a new iPhone, it gives you the thing
you need to know, right?
:-)
Instructions? I'd rather just be able to start using it, effectively.
On 2024-12-30 15:07, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
And how did you learn which button to press?No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be >>>>>>>>> learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, >>>>>>>> like
iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", >>>>>>> doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too >>>>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
By doing it ...
So you do know that when you get a new iPhone, it gives you the thing
you need to know, right?
:-)
Instructions? I'd rather just be able to start using it, effectively.
You're lying if you pretend that you learned everything you know with no instructions.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be >>>>>>>> learned.
But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, >>>>>>> like
iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", >>>>>> doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
So that's your definition of "intuitive": just take a guess?
It's not a guess. There are only so many things the button could be.
Apple is trying to be fancier, and making a piece of crap in the
process.
Dude, you're really reaching right now.
There's one--well one and half gestures you need to learn, and the
second part follows from the first.
You swipe straight up to unlock the phone and to return to the home
screen.
Add "and to the right" or "and just pause for a moment" to that gesture
and you're in the app switcher.
It's easily findable.
To me, that sounds like you're making my case for me - why can't Apple
just make a phone with all the controls that would logically be
required?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
why can't Apple
just make a phone with all the controls that would logically be
required? Is Samsung somehow inelegant for including the buttons? Is
it more elegant to not have them, and have this scheme of swiping?
WTF!
Because the controls you use take up space ALL THE TIME.
And to use a modern smartphone is to use gestures for almost everything,
so why not for basic navigation.
Android has switched to Apple's way of doing things because it works.
If you like the iPhone, have at it, I do not.
Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some >>news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
Joel wrote:
I'll be 48 in March.It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
on society.
Hahahahaha!
My existence is unvaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
you right-wing, moronic turds.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 11:57, Joel wrote:
Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
Joel wrote:
I'll be 48 in March.It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
on society.
Hahahahaha!
My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
you right-wing, moronic turds.
Truly you are a legend in your own mind.
You aren't aware of my identity as the second coming of Christ?
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
On 2024-12-16 09:54, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
That you have ... or that you need?
Case in point, you were asked awhile back about how much disk space your >>> PC took up when you first bought it, and how much it is taking up today. >>>
Needless to say, you avoided ever providing an answer, but we do know
indirectly that your storage growth needs are less than 300GB/year.
I'll never use up the 1 TB, that's kind of the point. The drive could
last many years. You want to have extra storage.
And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and effectively be an external drive.>
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I'll never use up the 1 TB [NVMe SSD], that's kind of the point. The
drive could
last many years. You want to have extra storage.
And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and >>effectively be an external drive.>
But then you have this dangling external device. I like to have it
inside the case.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
That you have ... or that you need?
Case in point, you were asked awhile back about how much disk space your
PC took up when you first bought it, and how much it is taking up today.
Needless to say, you avoided ever providing an answer, but we do know >>indirectly that your storage growth needs are less than 300GB/year.
I'll never use up the 1 TB, that's kind of the point. The drive could
last many years. You want to have extra storage.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
"dangling"?I'll never use up the 1 TB [NVMe SSD], that's kind of the point. The >>>>> drive could
last many years. You want to have extra storage.
And if you have a desktop, then that storage can just as easily and
effectively be an external drive.>
But then you have this dangling external device. I like to have it
inside the case.
That's a very odd way to phrase it.
Having it inside the case is important if you have a laptop, but given
the size of external drives these days, almost completely irrelevant if
you have a desktop computer.
Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?
Or your keyboard?
:-)
They aren't dangling, they're supposed to be where they are, an
external storage drive that just sits there plugged in, in constant
use, is dangling.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Why is that different?Does it bother you that your monitor is "dangling"?
Or your keyboard?
:-)
They aren't dangling, they're supposed to be where they are, an
external storage drive that just sits there plugged in, in constant
use, is dangling.
You're USED TO an external monitor and keyboard, but an external drive >>>> is no different.
How in God's name would a monitor or keyboard not be external?
You're kidding.
You are NOT this dumb. No one could possibly be this clueless?
How could a monitor no be internal? Really?
<https://www.apple.com/imac/>
<https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/desktop-computers/scr/desktops/appref=all-in-one-form-factor>
<https://www.hp.com/ca-en/shop/list.aspx?sel=DTP&ctrl=f&fc_form_aio=1>
I could go on, but could you really look any dumber? I don't think so.
As for the keyboard, I was being a tiny bit facetious, but you are >>literally reading words I type on the built-in keyboard...
...of my LAPTOP.
These are not internal things in this context.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy drives >>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
<https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&
Why? What makes it more "elegant"?Which is better in what measurable way?
<https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
two.
It's elegant.
It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy >>>>>>>> drives
that perfectly sit under the desktop:
<https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&
So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an >>external monitor?Why? What makes it more "elegant"?Which is better in what measurable way?
<https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or >>>>>>> two.
It's elegant.
It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
No.
On 2024-12-17 10:39, Joel wrote:hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy >>>>>>>>> drives
that perfectly sit under the desktop:
<https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&
So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having anWhy? What makes it more "elegant"?Which is better in what measurable way?
<https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or >>>>>>>> two.
It's elegant.
It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
external monitor?
No.
But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy >>>>>>>>>> drives
that perfectly sit under the desktop:
<https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&
So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having anWhy? What makes it more "elegant"?Which is better in what measurable way?Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or >>>>>>>>> two.
<https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack> >>>>>>>>>
It's elegant.
It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
external monitor?
No.
But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...
But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
fragile system.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
Dude... ...you bought an i5 and it turned out to be the wrong one to
have bought when you discovered you couldn't make it work with a 4K >>monitor.
How is that even remotely true?
On 2024-12-16 09:02, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
Likewise, we've also seen how a Mac mini stops the living shit out >>>>>>> ofThe Mac mini is OK, I wouldn't say it "stops the living shit out of" >>>>>> my machine. It runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.
your i5 DIY, while costing less than the $1150 you've spent to date. >>>>>>> So
just where is this so-called 'fortune' that people allegedly pay? >>>>>>
*stomp Apologies for a typo.
We've already seen the CPU benchmarks and disk I/O. If not "stomp", >>>>> then how do you want to describe being higher at a lower price?
Especially since there's no OS monopoly anymore either:
<https://asahilinux.org/about/>
A Mac mini purchased when I built my machine wouldn't be any faster
than what I have.
The 2020 mini model would have been cheaper.
The current mini model is faster & cheaper.
A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
Dude... ...you bought an i5 and it turned out to be the wrong one to have bought when you discovered you couldn't make it work with a 4K monitor.
And if we benchmarked your i5 against a 2020 Mini... ...how would it fare?
No... ...Windows did NOT outgrow your hardware in 2-3 years...If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not >>>>>> be
nearly as good. That's undeniable.
Except of course for how its already been shown that you could have
bought your so-called "overpriced" Apple gear for less & gotten
more...
...and your retort is that the OEM OS is "goofy", even though Linux is >>>>> an alternative.
I see Linux as the default OS, actually, it's M$ and Apple that are
proprietary, commercial platforms, consumerism, not real computing
enthusiasm.
Yet that didn't stop you from buying & running on Windows OS for the
first ~2/3rds of the life of your current PC.
I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on. It
was worth it. I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware, as
M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux. All is
well.
...unless you bought the wrong hardware to begin with.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy >>>>>>>>>> drives
that perfectly sit under the desktop:
<https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&
So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having anWhy? What makes it more "elegant"?Which is better in what measurable way?Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or >>>>>>>>> two.
<https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack> >>>>>>>>>
It's elegant.
It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
external monitor?
No.
But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...
But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
fragile system.
What makes one more "real" than the other?This looks pretty "elegant" to me:
<https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>
Or this:
<https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>
Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...
OK, but why not just have a real case, a real motherboard? Why the
quirks?
Expandability.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place?I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on. >>>>>>> ItNo... ...Windows did NOT outgrow your hardware in 2-3 years...
was worth it. I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware, >>>>>>> as
M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux. All is >>>>>>> well.
...unless you bought the wrong hardware to begin with.
You really underestimate what M$ does. They have proven that they
support brand-new, high-end devices, in any real sense, that you can >>>>> boot their crapware on a smaller system doesn't mean it will perform >>>>> adequately, this is why Linux isn't just some oddball alternative,
it's the real deal.
I do Windows support for a living (because my clients that have Macs
basically never need to see me), and I know what makes Windows slow
down.
Hint: it's usually NOT the hardware.
I kept my system sleek as much as one can with Winblows, I'm not a
dummy, I know what the fuck I'm doing with a computer. I know what
the updates were bloating onto it, and I know I'd rather use Linux,
where it's sane.
It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I'm calling bullshit on that excuse.I kept my system sleek as much as one can with Winblows, I'm not aSo why spend $200 on Windows in the first place?
dummy, I know what the fuck I'm doing with a computer. I know what
the updates were bloating onto it, and I know I'd rather use Linux,
where it's sane.
It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
respect when you bought it.
I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
the installer properly.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on. It >>>>> was worth it. I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware, as >>>>> M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux. All isNo... ...Windows did NOT outgrow your hardware in 2-3 years...
well.
...unless you bought the wrong hardware to begin with.
You really underestimate what M$ does. They have proven that they
support brand-new, high-end devices, in any real sense, that you can
boot their crapware on a smaller system doesn't mean it will perform
adequately, this is why Linux isn't just some oddball alternative,
it's the real deal.
I do Windows support for a living (because my clients that have Macs >>basically never need to see me), and I know what makes Windows slow down.
Hint: it's usually NOT the hardware.
I kept my system sleek as much as one can with Winblows,
On 2024-12-16 15:20, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I'm calling bullshit on that excuse.I kept my system sleek as much as one can with Winblows, I'm not a >>>>>> dummy, I know what the fuck I'm doing with a computer. I know what >>>>>> the updates were bloating onto it, and I know I'd rather use Linux, >>>>>> where it's sane.So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place?
It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
respect when you bought it.
I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
the installer properly.
You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I'm calling bullshit on that excuse.So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place [instead of starting >>>>>> with Linux]?
It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
respect when you bought it.
I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
the installer properly.
You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
I didn't fail to do anything, the installer didn't boot, shut the fuck
up, nerd.
On 2024-12-17 10:41, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:You failed to find an installer that would boot.
I'm calling bullshit on that excuse.So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place [instead of starting >>>>>>> with Linux]?
It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
respect when you bought it.
I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
the installer properly.
You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
I didn't fail to do anything, the installer didn't boot, shut the fuck
up, nerd.
That's not the same thing.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You failed to find an installer that would boot.Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
respect when you bought it.
I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load >>>>> the installer properly.
You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
I didn't fail to do anything, the installer didn't boot, shut the fuck
up, nerd.
That's not the same thing.
Idiot, there was nothing wrong with the USB disk, it didn't load the
Linux installer on my fresh hardware. Use your brain, if Apple didn't replace it with their propaganda.
On 2024-12-17 11:51, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You failed to find an installer that would boot.Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any >>>>>>> respect when you bought it.
I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load >>>>>> the installer properly.
You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
I didn't fail to do anything, the installer didn't boot, shut the fuck >>>> up, nerd.
That's not the same thing.
Idiot, there was nothing wrong with the USB disk, it didn't load the
Linux installer on my fresh hardware. Use your brain, if Apple didn't
replace it with their propaganda.
Sounds like a PEBCAK issue to me...
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 12/17/24 4:09 PM, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Sounds like a PEBCAK issue to me...
And that is why you are a dummy, nerd.
But how is he wrong?
Certainly, you're not suggesting that anyone who tries to install Linux
on a Windows PC is doomed to fail, because we've seen that even people
like RonB have done so successfully.
So just what tangible evidence do you have that it is something that has
to do with the shortcomings of Linux and not shortcomings of *you*?
Damn...choose your poison, dude.
Listen up, fellow, this USB had been used to install Linux.
Don't be
a fucking moron.
It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw
I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get
rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen.
There wasn't a
problem with the disk,
I'm not retarded.
On 2024-12-17 17:26, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:No. I'm not incorrect.
this USB had been used to install Linux. Don't be
a fucking moron. It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw >>>> I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get
rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen. There wasn't a
problem with the disk, I'm not retarded.
That fact that it "had been" used doesn't mean it was the right media to >>> install Linux on that particular PC, doofus.
Incorrect, "doofus", it was the normal 64-bit media, you're a fucking
moron.
You failing to be able to do something isn't proof it cannot be done.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
this USB had been used to install Linux. Don't be
a fucking moron. It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw
I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get
rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen. There wasn't a
problem with the disk, I'm not retarded.
That fact that it "had been" used doesn't mean it was the right media to >>install Linux on that particular PC, doofus.
Incorrect, "doofus", it was the normal 64-bit media, you're a fucking
moron.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No. I'm not incorrect.this USB had been used to install Linux. Don't be
a fucking moron. It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw >>>>> I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get
rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen. There wasn't a
problem with the disk, I'm not retarded.
That fact that it "had been" used doesn't mean it was the right media
to
install Linux on that particular PC, doofus.
Incorrect, "doofus", it was the normal 64-bit media, you're a fucking
moron.
You failing to be able to do something isn't proof it cannot be done.
I didn't "fail" to do anything,
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I didn't "fail" to do anything, I had working media, neither Linux
distro's USB booted to anything on the screen - you are a fucking
moron.
You imagine the words "working media" mean "works on everything
forever", do you?
I had used them *recently* on the old computer, they were made by it.
Could it be that there was a way to install Linux, though, yes there
still are other distros like Gentoo, but I got the sense I should just
enjoy Winblows for a while, and predictably I've switched back to
Linux on the new hardware.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I didn't "fail" to do anything, I had working media, neither Linux
distro's USB booted to anything on the screen - you are a fucking
moron.
You imagine the words "working media" mean "works on everything
forever", do you?
I had used them *recently* on the old computer, they were made by it.
Could it be that there was a way to install Linux, though, yes there
still are other distros like Gentoo, but I got the sense I should just
enjoy Winblows for a while, and predictably I've switched back to
Linux on the new hardware.
You are good at making excuses, I'll give you that.
What excuse did I make? I talk real talk. Yes, there was an issue
with booting USB installer disks to try Linux on the new machine.
Later, when I was tired of Windows, I have had great results using
Linux on the machine.
In <f076mjtsc1b1b6ivob90g7m9e9gt465md9@4ax.com> Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
I didn't "fail" to do anything, I had working media, neither Linux >>>>>> distro's USB booted to anything on the screen - you are a fucking
moron.
You imagine the words "working media" mean "works on everything
forever", do you?
I had used them *recently* on the old computer, they were made by it.
Could it be that there was a way to install Linux, though, yes there
still are other distros like Gentoo, but I got the sense I should just >>>> enjoy Winblows for a while, and predictably I've switched back to
Linux on the new hardware.
You are good at making excuses, I'll give you that.
What excuse did I make? I talk real talk. Yes, there was an issue
with booting USB installer disks to try Linux on the new machine.
Later, when I was tired of Windows, I have had great results using
Linux on the machine.
Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
In what MATERIAL way?How does that even address my point?You're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.
Not really, because it applies to prefab Winblows systems, too, they >>>>> cheap out on certain parts to keep the prices competitive, that's why >>>>> building my own was such a great investment, including of time itself. >>>>
Because value is a quotient of money spent for material gained - my
Gigabyte motherboard makes my system higher end than virtually any
prefab PC system. Apple, though, is probably equally good, just more
costly.
What is a metric...
...that actually matters to your use case...
...that makes your "Gigabyte motherboard" "higher end" than a system you >>could have just bought?
Remember, you're the one who always concedes that a small difference >>actually doesn't matter to you.
But durability does matter - I had my previous computer, with an
Intel-brand motherboard, for 10 years. It was a fairly high-end
system initially, ran the earlier forms of Windows 10 very well, and
was still running Linux beautifully when replaced. I'd like to think
this machine could last as long, or even longer.
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:It is absolutely credible...
On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
sure, but it's a small side thing.
...or at least it was absolutely credible...
...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
:-)
I destroyed the MacBook with Windows 7 along with my friend, it was a
fun thing to try out OS X and see Windows on Apple hardware.
On 2024-12-16 12:58, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:The i5 processor isn't consistent with your claim of "fairly high-end".
In what MATERIAL way?You're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.
Not really, because it applies to prefab Winblows systems, too, they >>>>>> cheap out on certain parts to keep the prices competitive, that's why >>>>>> building my own was such a great investment, including of time
itself.
How does that even address my point?
Because value is a quotient of money spent for material gained - my
Gigabyte motherboard makes my system higher end than virtually any
prefab PC system. Apple, though, is probably equally good, just more
costly.
What is a metric...
...that actually matters to your use case...
...that makes your "Gigabyte motherboard" "higher end" than a system you >>> could have just bought?
Remember, you're the one who always concedes that a small difference
actually doesn't matter to you.
But durability does matter - I had my previous computer, with an
Intel-brand motherboard, for 10 years. It was a fairly high-end
system initially, ran the earlier forms of Windows 10 very well, and
was still running Linux beautifully when replaced. I'd like to think
this machine could last as long, or even longer.
On 2024-12-15 12:48, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 12/15/24 12:24 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-15 02:56, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
People who value things differently than you do are not automatically >>>>>> stupid.
I realize that concept is a little too advanced for your adolescent >>>>>> thinking, but it's still true.
It's not adolescent thinking, it's simple math. And I'm not calling >>>>> you "stupid", I'm pointing out that you can always do far better than >>>>> Apple, on value, if you build [a computer] yourself.
And if you don't value you your own time.
Yu're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.
Ah, its the lame old classic bit of "my labor is always frrrrreee!".
Well, as I've said before: prove that your labor is worth so little to
you by coming over and mowing my lawn.
Of course, at this time of year, their task will be raking up leaves ..
or if it snows later, to get out there in the cold and shovel: I'm
flexible for what menial labor task they'll prove themselves with <g>.
Labor and the time it takes is just part of getting a good PC, you
have to buy it as parts, you have to design it. You could pay a
fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
machine. But what do you do with IKEA furniture? Do you pay someone
to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
of. I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
every minute I put in, assembling it.
But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
You pay a small premium.
And your computer is "like new"...
...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research
when designing your system...
...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just part
of getting a good PC, you
have to buy it as parts, you have to design it. You could pay a
fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
machine. But what do you do with IKEA furniture? Do you pay someone
to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
of. I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
every minute I put in, assembling it.
But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
You pay a small premium.
And your computer is "like new"...
...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research >>when designing your system...
...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly >>spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
That's ridiculous. It's normal to add parts as needed,
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just
part of getting a good PC, you
have to buy it as parts, you have to design it. You could pay a
fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
machine. But what do you do with IKEA furniture? Do you pay someone >>>>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's >>>>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out >>>>> of. I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth >>>>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
You pay a small premium.
And your computer is "like new"...
...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your
research
when designing your system...
...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
That's ridiculous. It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux. Why are you harping on it?
Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite", >>doofus.
In the space of just 30 months you:
had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up >>with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that
is supposed to support one);
had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't >>spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you
couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.
How is any of that true?
The 4K monitor worked with the Intel video,
just not well enough,
adding the video card is a minor concern,
I
always intended that if there were a need for one I'd be able to do
so.
The investment in Windows is nothing to me, I got a lot of use
out of it in 2 1/2 years, until Linux better supported my fresh
hardware. Big fucking deal.
On 2024-12-16 13:01, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just >>>>>> part of getting a good PC, you
have to buy it as parts, you have to design it. You could pay a
fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not >>>>>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
machine. But what do you do with IKEA furniture? Do you pay someone >>>>>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time?
It's
not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use >>>>>> out
of. I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth >>>>>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
You pay a small premium.
And your computer is "like new"...
...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your
research
when designing your system...
...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly >>>>> spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
That's ridiculous. It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux. Why are you harping on it?
Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite",
doofus.
In the space of just 30 months you:
had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up >>> with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that >>> is supposed to support one);
had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't >>> spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you
couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.
How is any of that true? The 4K monitor worked with the Intel video,
just not well enough, adding the video card is a minor concern, I
always intended that if there were a need for one I'd be able to do
so. The investment in Windows is nothing to me, I got a lot of use
out of it in 2 1/2 years, until Linux better supported my fresh
hardware. Big fucking deal.
You bought Windows, because (presumably) you thought it was the better choice...
...but then you spec'ed hardware that wasn't able to run it for more than
2.5 years.
And if "investment in Windows is nothing to [you]", then why do you make
such a big deal out of paying less for your system than an equivalent Mac (which you didn't; a Mac Mini would have done what you're doing and cost
you even less).
And if a monitor isn't working "well enough" and you have to spend
additional dollars to correct it, then you didn't do a very good job of designing your system in the first place.
You spent additional time on installing the new GPU.
You spent additional time on installing and configuring Linux.
Those are costs over and above what you'd have paid if you'd made your
design choices better in the first place.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-15 14:01, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what I'd
go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
How is yours materially better...
...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
It's limitlessly expandable.
That's what the bragging rights derive
from.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-16 14:53, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its
predecessor
and used less resources. Of course, this complaint from Joel is from
an
OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should >>>> be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current
OSs.
Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.
IN
WHAT
SPECIFIC
WAY?
Context menus, etc.
--
Joel W. Crump
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what >>>>>>> I'd
go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a >>>>>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
How is yours materially better...
...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
It's limitlessly expandable. That's what the bragging rights derive >>>>> from.
My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
<https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
Sounds easy to travel with.
Yes, it is far easier than to lug a desktop tower, along with its
separate display, separate keyboard, & separate mouse.
Not the point.
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bfl5mjdo1glr63ushu3tjp935qln3gbc9g@4ax.com...
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No. I'm not incorrect.this USB had been used to install Linux. Don't be
a fucking moron. It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw >>>>>> I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get >>>>>> rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen. There wasn't a >>>>>> problem with the disk, I'm not retarded.
That fact that it "had been" used doesn't mean it was the right media >>>>> to
install Linux on that particular PC, doofus.
Incorrect, "doofus", it was the normal 64-bit media, you're a fucking
moron.
You failing to be able to do something isn't proof it cannot be done.
I didn't "fail" to do anything,
Then you got linux to install and you lied about your inability to install it?
On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by
running within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
buy Apple to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
operating systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
solid for me. I have friends and family members who use Apple
devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
common is that we researched the types of applications that we
needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary.
Apple users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
Choice is a good thing.
On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by
running within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
buy Apple to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
operating systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
solid for me. I have friends and family members who use Apple
devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
common is that we researched the types of applications that we
needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
Choice is a good thing.
My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for dummies".
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned. >>>But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
iOS requires.
What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
why can't Apple
just make a phone with all the controls that would logically be
required? Is Samsung somehow inelegant for including the buttons?
Is it more elegant to not have them, and have this scheme of
swiping? WTF!
Because the controls you use take up space ALL THE TIME.
And to use a modern smartphone is to use gestures for almost
everything, so why not for basic navigation.
Android has switched to Apple's way of doing things because it
works.
If you like the iPhone, have at it, I do not.
But without actually ever using it, you declare it all kinds of
bullshit pronouncements...
It might be bullshit to the extent that I'm biased against their
design, but it's not for no reason, it's what I think makes sense,
people's minds work differently, if people prefer Apple's motifs for
phones and computers, I don't begrudge them their right to use them,
but it's something I can't relate to.
On 31 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some news:q788nj57oare1scvi4j3udr21dk0ig9qpk@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
why can't Apple
just make a phone with all the controls that would logically be
required? Is Samsung somehow inelegant for including the buttons? >>>>>> Is it more elegant to not have them, and have this scheme of
swiping? WTF!
Because the controls you use take up space ALL THE TIME.
And to use a modern smartphone is to use gestures for almost
everything, so why not for basic navigation.
Android has switched to Apple's way of doing things because it
works.
If you like the iPhone, have at it, I do not.
But without actually ever using it, you declare it all kinds of
bullshit pronouncements...
It might be bullshit to the extent that I'm biased against their
design, but it's not for no reason, it's what I think makes sense,
people's minds work differently, if people prefer Apple's motifs for
phones and computers, I don't begrudge them their right to use them,
but it's something I can't relate to.
Apple is proof positive that a market for stupid people exists.
On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by
running within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
buy Apple to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
operating systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
solid for me. I have friends and family members who use Apple
devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
common is that we researched the types of applications that we
needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
Choice is a good thing.
I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
dummies".
YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
lend credence to the claim.
On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by
running within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
buy Apple to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
operating systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
solid for me. I have friends and family members who use Apple
devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
common is that we researched the types of applications that we
needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
Choice is a good thing.
My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
dummies".
YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
lend credence to the claim.
Din004 <din004@oracle.com> wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some >>news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating >>>>systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
I did stuff just as sophisticated with Snow Leopard as I've done with
Windows or Linux.
On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is easily done by
running within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
buy Apple to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
operating systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
solid for me. I have friends and family members who use Apple
devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
common is that we researched the types of applications that we
needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
Choice is a good thing.
I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
dummies".
YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
lend credence to the claim.
So? Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
using Windows/Android/etc?
In <vkjpqt$3155d$1@dont-email.me> -hh wrote:
On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is easily done by
running within a VM
You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
buy Apple to run M$, though.
Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
operating systems at the same time.
VMs have real use, I agree.
Apple is still for dummies.
Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me >>>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock >>>>> solid for me. I have friends and family members who use Apple
devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the >>>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
common is that we researched the types of applications that we
needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple >>>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
Choice is a good thing.
I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
dummies".
YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
lend credence to the claim.
So? Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
using Windows/Android/etc?
iPhone users are generally 5 second attention whores, that's all they can manage. Hope that helps.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-01 18:02, Byrd wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:q788nj57oare1scvi4j3udr21dk0ig9qpk@4ax.com:
people's minds work differently, if people prefer Apple's motifs for
phones and computers, I don't begrudge them their right to use them,
but it's something I can't relate to.
Apple is proof positive that a market for stupid people exists.
Whatever makes you feel superior!
For what it could be worth, Alan, I do think you are an exception,
among Apple fans. You actually see it as Unix/BSD/Mach along with
On 01 Jan 2025, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some news:2qvbnj9pt42qal6ae9ii72gloeorlkigo8@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-01 18:02, Byrd wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:q788nj57oare1scvi4j3udr21dk0ig9qpk@4ax.com:
people's minds work differently, if people prefer Apple's motifs for >>>>> phones and computers, I don't begrudge them their right to use them, >>>>> but it's something I can't relate to.
Apple is proof positive that a market for stupid people exists.
Whatever makes you feel superior!
For what it could be worth, Alan, I do think you are an exception,
among Apple fans. You actually see it as Unix/BSD/Mach along with
macOS-limitations.
Fixed that for you.
Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> wrote:
On 01 Jan 2025, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:2qvbnj9pt42qal6ae9ii72gloeorlkigo8@4ax.com:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-01 18:02, Byrd wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:q788nj57oare1scvi4j3udr21dk0ig9qpk@4ax.com:
people's minds work differently, if people prefer Apple's motifs for >>>>>> phones and computers, I don't begrudge them their right to use them, >>>>>> but it's something I can't relate to.
Apple is proof positive that a market for stupid people exists.
Whatever makes you feel superior!
For what it could be worth, Alan, I do think you are an exception,
among Apple fans. You actually see it as Unix/BSD/Mach along with
macOS-limitations.
Fixed that for you.
Nah, it's not limitations. I can do anything with a Mac that would be necessary, it's just that I'd rather do it in style, Linux gives meYou really say the most idiotic things.
that, and Windows would on an i9 with 64 GB RAM.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-03 12:19, Joel wrote:
Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> wrote:You really say the most idiotic things.
macOS-limitations.
Fixed that for you.
Nah, it's not limitations. I can do anything with a Mac that would be
necessary, it's just that I'd rather do it in style, Linux gives me
that, and Windows would on an i9 with 64 GB RAM.
You'd need an i9 and 64GB of RAM to do what you've admitted you do?
The point is that Win11 is bloated, but what are you saying I'veNothing.
"admitted" doing that is so odd, pray tell?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-01-03 15:40, Joel wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Nothing.
On 2025-01-03 12:19, Joel wrote:
Rudy Ball <rudyball@gmx.com> wrote:You really say the most idiotic things.
macOS-limitations.
Fixed that for you.
Nah, it's not limitations. I can do anything with a Mac that would be >>>>> necessary, it's just that I'd rather do it in style, Linux gives me
that, and Windows would on an i9 with 64 GB RAM.
You'd need an i9 and 64GB of RAM to do what you've admitted you do?
The point is that Win11 is bloated, but what are you saying I've
"admitted" doing that is so odd, pray tell?
It's just that none of it would require an i9 and 64GB of RAM even if
you were running Windows 11
"Require" is the wrong word, though, "be comfortable to use with" isYou are so full of shit.
more it. I could boot Win11 24H2, on this machine, I realize, but I wouldn't, because it'd be bloated trash.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You are so full of shit.Nothing.The point is that Win11 is bloated, but what are you saying I'veWindows would [perform as well as Linux] on an i9 with 64 GB RAM. >>>>>> You really say the most idiotic things.
You'd need an i9 and 64GB of RAM to do what you've admitted you do? >>>>>
"admitted" doing that is so odd, pray tell?
It's just that none of it would require an i9 and 64GB of RAM even if
you were running Windows 11
"Require" is the wrong word, though, "be comfortable to use with" is
more it. I could boot Win11 24H2, on this machine, I realize, but I
wouldn't, because it'd be bloated trash.
First of all for a computer if you need to "be comfortable to use with"... >>
...that's REQUIRE!
Second of all, it's complete an utter bullshit that you need that much
to "be comfortable to use with".
It's slightly exaggerated - but less than you think. Buy an iMac andYou really know NOTHING about how computers operate.
put Win11ARM on it on bare metal, and drive it hard for six months.
See if it survives.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You really know NOTHING about how computers operate.You are so full of shit.[Windows 11 24H2] would [not] require an i9 and 64GB of RAM even if >>>>>> you were running Windows 11
"Require" is the wrong word, though, "be comfortable to use with" is >>>>> more it. I could boot Win11 24H2, on this machine, I realize, but I >>>>> wouldn't, because it'd be bloated trash.
First of all for a computer if you need to "be comfortable to use with"... >>>>
...that's REQUIRE!
Second of all, it's complete an utter bullshit that you need that much >>>> to "be comfortable to use with".
It's slightly exaggerated - but less than you think. Buy an iMac and
put Win11ARM on it on bare metal, and drive it hard for six months.
See if it survives.
Nope, I'm telling you, I could bake one of those flimsy iMac devices,Bullshit.
even with Silicon, it's a different animal than IntelAMD to be sure,
but there would come a point when it just wasn't designed to handle
what Win11, and emulating all those x86 apps, would do.