Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
[...]

We were forced to rent telephones until they broke up Bell
Telephone. Long distance calls only became affordable much
later. To this day I wouldn't call Europe. I have no idea what
it would cost.

Well, you could install Skype on your computer (or smartphone ("Yeah, *right*!")) and call European landlines for a few cents per minute (if
that 'much') and mobile numbers for a bit more.

Or simply use whatsapp. Large swathes of the European population use
whatsapp and calls only require data; i.e. free using home wifi.

Yes, but that applies to normal people in non third-world countries.
That doesn't apply here! :-) Expecting the caller to accept to use Skype
is already a big ask and probably a too big one.

But yes, we use WhatsApp with our relatives in Australia, all the
time.

[...]

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Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

On 1/4/2025 10:22 AM, Theo wrote:

I think you might be using DECT without realising it. eg from a search on Amazon.com for 'cordless phone', #4 is an AT&T branded DECT base and handset:

https://www.amazon.com/AT-BL102-2-2-Handset-Answering-Unsurpassed/dp/B086QB7WZ1

and similar are at #6, #9, #11, #12. Most of the others are Panasonic or V-Tech, many of which have DECT in the title too.

What model of cordless landline phone do you have?

Panasonic. But note that the phone in the picture has an
antenna. Mine is wired directly to the phone line, which
goes to the VOIP device but used to go to a modem and
before that wen't to public telephone lines. The extensions
are wireless, but not the base station/answering machine.

I've never seen a fully wireless landline. But maybe it's not
really different. Using radio waves to get to the phone line is
not fundamentally changing the technology. The phone in the
picture has the same basic display and functions. The only
difference seems to be that it doesn't need to be direct-wired.

DECT handsets are cordless, as the name suggests. They talk via radio to
the base station, hence the antenna. The base is corded, either to the
classic copper phone line or to a VOIP converter box (maybe in the ISP's router).

It's also possible to get bases which do VOIP directly, ie plug into an ethernet network - they're doing DECT between the handset and the base and converting it directly to VOIP rather than going via a copper phone line.
Some routers also include this DECT-VOIP gateway, ie you pair your DECT
handset with the router and then the outbound phone call is all VOIP.

DECT range can be up to 400m from a single base, so is useful for people
with a large property without needing to install boosters everywhere.

If DECT eventually goes to the landline
then it would seem that the lack of landline texting in the
US may be more due to simple lack of support rather than
technical issues. Not that I mind. I have no interest in
receiving 100 characters of misspelled trivia, scrolling
across my tiny phone screen like news headlines. As it
stands, I'm glad that people can't text me.

My Gigaset handset with VOIP base will actually scroll the news headlines
and weather on its tiny screen, fetched from some Gigaset server. It's not
the most useful feature :-)

Landline SMS can be useful when you don't have mobile signal locally but
need to receive verification SMS from various companies. Although the
takeup of wifi calling on mobiles has made that less relevant.

Theo

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
[...]

DECT handsets are cordless, as the name suggests. They talk via radio to
the base station, hence the antenna. The base is corded, either to the classic copper phone line or to a VOIP converter box (maybe in the ISP's router).

Just a minor, but important, comment: (Some/most/all?) DECT handsets
and base stations use *internal* antennas. So if you don't see an
antenna, that doesn't mean it can't be a DECT device, but also not that
it is a DECT device, because it *could* - but is not likely to - use
other cordless technology.

[...]

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On 1/5/2025 3:25 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

I've never been able to receive text messages on my Ooma VOIP number,
but I thought it might be interesting to try to send one.á My question:
How does one do that?á Email to the phone number?á Nope.á "Messages"
tried but failed.

Anything?

You can. These should be up to date:

AT&T: number@txt.att.net
Qwest: number@qwestmp.com
T-Mobile: number@tmomail.net
Verizon: number@vtext.com
Sprint: number@messaging.sprintpcs.com or number@pm.sprint.com
Virgin Mobile: number@vmobl.com
Nextel: number@messaging.nextel.com
Alltel: number@message.alltel.com
Metro PCS: number@mymetropcs.com
Powertel: number@ptel.com
Boost Mobile: number@myboostmobile.com
Suncom: number@tms.suncom.com
Tracfone: number@mmst5.tracfone.com
U.S. Cellular: number@email.uscc.net

You just send an email to their phone number. The trick is
that you need to know their provider. The other catch is that
they'll have to send an email to respond to you. Confusing.
Probably most people wouldn't know how to handle it.

So it's like 1234567890@vtext.com Hopefully the recipient
knows it's a joke and knows that you can't receive a text
in return. I don't know how they see the sender identified.

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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 04.01.25 13:55, Andy Burns wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability >>>> when on a PSTN/POTS line.

In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist >>> anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.

I think you are overstating the facts, I'm sure most European countries
are in the process of migrating to VoIP, as far as I can tell only
Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden claim to have completed this, and
even then, does "completed" mean absolutely 100%, I doubt it ...

Nonsense. Switzerland ended POTS/PSTN 2017.

Scandinavia and Switzerland are at least 5 year rather 10 ahead of
Germany which is massively underdeveloped compared to Switzerland and Scandinavia. Worse so in mobile telecommunication.

The UK only *started* phasing out POTS at the end of 2023...

2020, although it was only for new connections initially - ie you could
order VDSL broadband without a phone line, and got a VOIP service instead. Forced replacement of POTS with VOIP only started to roll out in 2021.

( https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/tag/voip for the timeline)

Theo

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

On 1/5/25 12:32 PM, Newyana2 wrote:

On 1/5/2025 3:25 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

I've never been able to receive text messages on my Ooma VOIP number,
but I thought it might be interesting to try to send one.  My question: >> How does one do that?  Email to the phone number?  Nope.  "Messages"
tried but failed.

Anything?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wanted to try sending a text message from my
cell TO my Ooma VOIP number. I'll try emailing ###@ooma.com and see
what happens.

Can't you just use your cell to SMS your Ooma number +1 (xxx) xxx-xxxx like
any other cellphone number?

You can. These should be up to date:

Thanks, this is useful information.

To send from your Ooma number, it's possible they also provide a web page or mobile app that allows sending SMS with their system. Although maybe you
need to be on their business package, I don't know.

Theo

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Chris wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

In Spain the change to VoIP is hidden. The telco pretends it is

still POTS, and charges for all the POTS services.

That's unfortunate. Fortunately here in the UK, with a bit of planning, we can port our landline number away from our usual provider to another VOIP provider. Most people won't, however.

My current broadband contract is up this year and the POTS will be discontinued so will have to get this done.

The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with voice
cards fitted to the cabinet?

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On 2025-01-06 09:23, Andy Burns wrote:

Chris wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

In Spain the change to VoIP is hidden. The telco pretends it is

still POTS, and charges for all the POTS services.

That's unfortunate. Fortunately here in the UK, with a bit of
planning, we
can port our landline number away from our usual provider to another VOIP
provider. Most people won't, however.

My current broadband contract is up this year and the POTS will be
discontinued so will have to get this done.

The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with voice cards fitted to the cabinet?

It is fibre to the sitting room, to the router, or to a little box
before it called "ONT". Either the ONT or the router have copper pair
out, thus it is VoIP to the router, POTS out of it.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

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Carlos E.R. wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with
voice cards fitted to the cabinet?

It is fibre to the sitting room, to the router, or to a little box
before it called "ONT". Either the ONT or the router have copper pair
out, thus it is VoIP to the router, POTS out of it.

Is your sitting room a mile long then :-) or was it someone else who
mentioned "last mile"?

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On 2025-01-06 14:43, Andy Burns wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with
voice cards fitted to the cabinet?

It is fibre to the sitting room, to the router, or to a little box
before it called "ONT". Either the ONT or the router have copper pair
out, thus it is VoIP to the router, POTS out of it.

Is your sitting room a mile long then :-) or was it someone else who mentioned "last mile"?

Somebody else.

Here Telefónica delivers fibre to to the sitting room router. If that is
not feasible, it is radio.

However, Vodafone does not, they do fibre to the block, then coax to the
home (two coax, I think, one for internet and tv, another for phone.
Unsure). They may use other technologies too.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 1/4/2025 9:54 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Depends. In Spain the change to VoIP is hidden. The telco pretends it is still POTS, and charges for all the POTS services. For example, callid
has a price per month. The price structure is that of POTS. And they
keep a secret how to configure a true VoIP phone (connected with
ethernet or wifi, not copper pair), and do not offer the new services
that VoIP allow.

I'm struck by how differently it works in different countries.
In the US I had to give up real landline because they were
charging a very high price. They didn't want to maintain the
wires anymore. So I got a modem and account through my
ISP. They charged $30+/month, trying to double or triple it
occasionally, hoping that I wouldn't notice. So it was basically
VOIP but it was sold as a different service. I now have Vonage.
$16/month. There's a small device to make it work over
ethernet.

So my ISP could have given me the VOIP for a tiny fee, because
it really was VOIP in the first place. But they pretended that they
were giving me a separate phone line. And I fell for it! It took some
courage to just dump their phone and get straight VOIP.

The woman I live with still has a phone line through the ISP,
but it might cost more if she dumped it! The prices mean nothing.
Their official prices are very high, then they claim that whatever
we pay is a special deal. They could charge us more for Internet
than for Internet and phone if they want to. And that often happens.
Companies want all the business in the houses they serve.

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with
voice cards fitted to the cabinet?

It is fibre to the sitting room, to the router, or to a little box
before it called "ONT". Either the ONT or the router have copper pair
out, thus it is VoIP to the router, POTS out of it.

Is your sitting room a mile long then :-) or was it someone else who mentioned "last mile"?

The "last mile" was me, but in a slightly different context, i.e. the VOIP-to-POTS was not in the sitting room, but somewhere upto a 'mile'
away.

OTOH, I also mentioned an Aussie setup similar to what Carlos
described, so being in Oz, their sitting room might well be a mile long.
:-)

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When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?

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micky wrote:

When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?

Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?

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In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:38:34 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

micky wrote:

When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?

Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to >text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?

I don't know. I don't think so. For several years I have beeen the
contact person for the people who plow (plough?) our streets when it
snows. I saw the contract yesterday and it has my landline first, and
my cell number. I'm still living in the 1950's and I envisioned them
calling me on the phone, but now I see they send texts. I got one on
the cell a year ago and another yesterday. I've never gotten any
message from them on my landline, so I wonder if they tried and realized
it wasn't accepting texts and they switched to the other number. --- A
couple weeks ago they came out and salted the roads(not straight salt
but some better concoction) and then it didn't snow at all, but they
charged us 2000 dollars. Because of details in our favor in the
contract, we are refusing to pay. I'm trying to prevent a second
mix-up.

I googled your question and so-called AI says "Yes, US landlines can
accept text messages, but they are not designed to do so by default:

How it works
To receive texts, you need to set up your landline with a text to
landline service. When you send a text to a landline, the service
records your message in a female voice and calls the recipient's phone.
If the recipient answers, they can choose to accept the message. If the
call goes to voicemail, the recording is delivered there."

I use Verizon landline but it's VOIP. VErizon is a very big company
here.

Hmmm. This came up just a couple nights ago also. I'm been sick and
wanted my food delivered. I set that up during the pandemic, and it
worked, but now it's changed and wants to send me a code and it only has
my landline, so I get no code. I can't change the phone number, because
they want to send a text to the original number telling me I'm changing
it. LOL Maybe if I can set up text to landline, I won't have to open
a new account.

OTOH, heres a message from last April: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-can-i-receive-a-text-on-a-landline/0bd1f02d-904e-4585-9a50-1d7b3091e4f6
I'm trying to log in into my account. I had this phone number linked to
my account back in the 2017 or 2018 when I first made it and I could
receive a call. Now I don't know why they removed this option. I just
want to log in back to my account to reset my PIN because I'm receiving
an error message.

Microsoft answers "Landlines are not eligible for verification codes.
The landline is also a landline phone, which can only make and receive
calls, and does not have the function of sending and receiving text
messages." So you seem to know more than they do!

One VErizon page which doesn't say if it's talking about true landline
or voip / FIOS landline says it can be set up and will cost me 25 cents
for each text I get, and I w9ll probably get spam The page also has no
date . How can a responsible company print date dependent information
and not give the date ? I don't know but i see it often .

Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.

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On 03.01.25 14:21, micky wrote:

When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?

Here fixed lines get SMS. For about 20years now?

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:38:34 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

micky wrote:

When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?

Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to >text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?

I don't know. I don't think so. For several years I have beeen the
contact person for the people who plow (plough?) our streets when it
snows. I saw the contract yesterday and it has my landline first, and
my cell number. I'm still living in the 1950's and I envisioned them
calling me on the phone, but now I see they send texts. I got one on
the cell a year ago and another yesterday. I've never gotten any
message from them on my landline, so I wonder if they tried and realized
it wasn't accepting texts and they switched to the other number.

Sigh! As you have a landline, why don't *you* try/test it, instead of
asking here for an impossible to give answer (because it depends on your
and their telco and setups).

If it works for you, it will also work for them, because in that test
your landline telco and their setup is the deciding factor.

If it does not work for you, it doesn't mean it doesn't work for them,
so it's undecided and the only things you can do is ask them to test it
or remove your landline number from their contact list. In most cases,
the 'customer', i.e. you, should be able to do that themselves, but that depends on how customer-friendly their IT is.

[...]

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

micky wrote:

When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it can't receive texts?

Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?

For my setup in The Netherlands (Vodafone mobile, Ziggo VOIP landline
(via cable Internet) it does not work. Landline phone doesn't ring, SMS
on the smartphone silently fails, but is charged by Vodafone :-).

But this of course depends on the telcos and setups at either end, so
I think one can not give a definite answer for a particular country (let
alone worldwide), unless *all* telcos and setups in that country provide
this functionality, which is unlikely, especially in 'civilized'
countries where there are umpteen of telcos and setups.

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Frank Slootweg wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to
text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ...

For my setup in The Netherlands (Vodafone mobile, Ziggo VOIP landline
(via cable Internet) it does not work. Landline phone doesn't ring, SMS
on the smartphone silently fails, but is charged by Vodafone :-).

I recently converted my PSTN+VDSL service to VDSL-only, which frees up
the PSTN number and can either be dropped, or ported to a VoIP provider.

I sent a text from my mobile (O2/Telefonica) to my VoIP landline,
previously it would arrive as text, because I have a gigaset DECT which
is CLI/SMS compatible, but today it arrived using the fallback robot
voice method.

Trying to send a text from the DECT to mobile did nothing, except return
an error after several minutes.

Not sure if there's a method for SMSoVoIP? Given that T.38 exists for FAXoVoIP, I presume there's a standard somewhere?

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On 1/3/2025 8:21 AM, micky wrote:

When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?

That used to be the case. I use a landline and rarely use my cellphone,
so I don't give out that number. But cellphone addicts assume all phones
are cellphones. Until maybe 2 years ago, they would get a message that
they were trying to text a landline. Then they'd call me. Now they get no message. They just tell me later that they've been texting me and I
have to rail at them for being an idiot.

I don't know why the change. It can't go through, so why pretend
that it did? It's possible that these people are just not paying attention,
but it's happened to me with multiple people, so I think they're just
getting no feedback.

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On 1/3/2025 9:31 AM, micky wrote:

Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been suprisingly unsuccessful.

There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through? If the sender converts it to voice then
that's a recorded audio message, not a text. You can't convert it
to voice on your end because you can't receive it in the first place.

I've occasionally come across websites that offer an audio
recording for 2FA. The robot voice calls and recites a code. But
even with that, as I recall, they refused to provide the service
once I had an account set up, so I could no longer use my
account! Apparently they thought I was just kidding about not
having a cellphone.

Most people live on their cellphones, so it's highly unlikely that
anyone is going to take the trouble to set up a text-to-speech
conversion just for you. I've found this repeatedly. I fill out a form
giving my home phone, but somehow they record it as my cellphone...
It's got to a point where many people refuse to even understand
the concept of a landline.

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Newyana2 wrote:

micky wrote:

Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.

There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?

Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.

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On 03.01.25 21:52, Andy Burns wrote:

Newyana2 wrote:

micky wrote:

Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.

There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?

Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.

In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist
anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.


--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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On 2025-01-03 21:38, Newyana2 wrote:

On 1/3/2025 8:21 AM, micky wrote:

When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?

  That used to be the case. I use a landline and rarely use my cellphone, so I don't give out that number. But cellphone addicts assume all phones
are cellphones. Until maybe 2 years ago, they would get a message that
they were trying to text a landline. Then they'd call me. Now they get no message. They just tell me later that they've been texting me and I
have to rail at them for being an idiot.

In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american continent.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 2025-01-03 21:48, Newyana2 wrote:

On 1/3/2025 9:31 AM, micky wrote:

Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.

 There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through? If the sender converts it to voice then
that's a recorded audio message, not a text. You can't convert it
to voice on your end because you can't receive it in the first place.

Yes, there is such a thing.

The telephone exchange converts the text to machine voice, and then
phones you.

This service depends on the company and the country, and possibly on contracting the service. It is not universal.

I tried it long ago here (Spain) and quickly disabled it.
I think messages were delivered only at a more or less
fixed hour.


Then, if the landline is actually a true VoIp intelligent phone, it may
also receive texts. There is a display. I don't know if this is done,
but I think it is feasible.

A true VoIp phone is connected to an ethernet cable or to a WiFi, not to
a copper pair. It is a small computer, not a traditional landline dumb
phone.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 03.01.25 21:48, Newyana2 wrote:

There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?

I would suggest to check the screen.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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On 1/3/2025 3:52 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

Newyana2 wrote:

micky wrote:

Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.

There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?

Aren't DECT phone common over there?á Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.

I don't know what DECT or POTS mean. We have landlines
that can be direct phone wires or VOIP. Either way, the
phones are the same. There's room for maybe 12 letter in
the Caller ID display and no facility to receive a text.
They can receive an audio message, but then, who's going
to go to the trouble to sned an audio message when most of
the people they know have texting?

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On 1/3/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american
continent.

That's a good idea. Phone numbers mean almost nothing in
the US anymore. Anyone can get any area code, which is the
first 3 numbers. At this point I no longer pick up for "local"
calls because they're probably not local. If it doesn't show
the name of someone I know then I let the answering
machine get it. Unfortunately, most people with cellphones
have not registered for Caller ID, and I don't store numbers in
my phone. It's not worth the trouble to have speed dialing.
So I only recognize a small number of callers.

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On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:

There's no such thing.

There certainly is.

I'm talking about the US.

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On 2025-01-04 02:11, Newyana2 wrote:

On 1/3/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if
a phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american
continent.

  That's a good idea. Phone numbers mean almost nothing in
the US anymore. Anyone can get any area code, which is the
first 3 numbers. At this point I no longer pick up for "local"
calls because they're probably not local. If it doesn't show
the name of someone I know then I let the answering
machine get it. Unfortunately, most people with cellphones
have not registered for Caller ID, and I don't store numbers in
my phone. It's not worth the trouble to have speed dialing.
So I only recognize a small number of callers.

The registering for Caller ID is an NA feature, it doesn't exist in
other countries. Here you only get the number. The names are local to
your terminal.

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On 2025-01-04 02:06, Newyana2 wrote:

On 1/3/2025 3:52 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

Newyana2 wrote:

micky wrote:

Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.

There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?

Aren't DECT phone common over there?  Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.

  I don't know what DECT or POTS mean.

Digital Enhanced Cordless Telecommunications (DECT) is a cordless
telephony standard maintained by ETSI. It originated in Europe, where it
is the common standard, replacing earlier standards, such as CT1 and
CT2. Since the DECT-2020 standard onwards, it also includes IoT
communication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECT


Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS), or Plain Ordinary Telephone
System[1], is a retronym for voice-grade telephone service that employs
analog signal transmission over copper loops. The term POTS originally
stood for Post Office Telephone Service, as early telephone lines in
many regions were operated directly by local Post Offices. For instance,
in New Zealand, the telephone system remained under Post Office control
until the 1980s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_old_telephone_service


The public switched telephone network (PSTN) is the aggregate of the
world's telephone networks that are operated by national, regional, or
local telephony operators. It provides infrastructure and services for
public telephony. The PSTN consists of telephone lines, fiber-optic
cables, microwave transmission links, cellular networks, communications satellites, and undersea telephone cables interconnected by switching
centers, such as central offices, network tandems, and international
gateways, which allow telephone users to communicate with each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_switched_telephone_network

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On 2025-01-04 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:

On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:

  There's no such thing.

There certainly is.

I'm talking about the US.

Is that in the third world, a disadvantaged country? (SCNR)

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On 04.01.25 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:

On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:

There's no such thing.

There certainly is.

I'm talking about the US.

As far as state of the art telecom services are concerned, they are one
or two decades behind Europe. Not only with fixed line services.

--
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On 04.01.25 02:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-01-04 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:

On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:

  There's no such thing.

There certainly is.

I'm talking about the US.

Is that in the third world, a disadvantaged country? (SCNR)

No doubt about that. *SCNR* either.


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On 03.01.25 23:37, Chris wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american continent. >>

Same in the UK. Numbers starting 01/02/03 are landlines and those starting
07 are mobile or other "special" numbers like pagers.

That is the rule all over Europe. The first three digits allow a
judgement which operator is used. Unfortunately the number portability
is diluting that more and more.


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Newyana2 wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Aren't DECT phone common over there?  Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.

  I don't know what DECT

I suspected they hadn't really caught-on over there, they're digital
cordless (mostly home) phones, so they tend to have a lot of mobile-like features, such as a graphical display. Though mostly people associate
texting only with mobiles.

or POTS mean.

I specifically said POTS because I believed you used that term (plain
old telephone service) rather than PSTN, oh well.

We have landlines
that can be direct phone wires or VOIP. Either way, the
phones are the same.

Same here.

There's room for maybe 12 letter in
the Caller ID display and no facility to receive a text.
They can receive an audio message, but then, who's going
to go to the trouble to sned an audio message when most of
the people they know have texting?

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Carlos E.R. wrote:

The telephone exchange converts the text to machine voice, and then
phones you.

This service depends on the company and the country, and possibly on contracting the service. It is not universal.

   I tried it long ago here (Spain) and quickly disabled it.
   I think messages were delivered only at a more or less
   fixed hour.

Here, it will phone you any time of day with the voice messages, there
is an IVR number you can call to set a curfew for voice delivery, or
just turn it off altogether.

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