On 13.12.24 11:36, aotto1968 wrote:

it's a shame...
almost every tool I touch that uses "python" in some way has some configuration error because apparently a __private__ python
installation __isn't__ properly "understood".

I think after ~30 years *python* should be able to handle a shared-library proper __or__ switch to a *static-build* by default.

example here is the "mono-build" with the following installation.

1. The build is done with my user and the installation is done as root.
2. The setup proper find *my* python3 because my PATH etc is setup well.
3. root is an other environment and root does *not* have my environment.
4. root uses *my* python3 without *my* environment and is *not* able to find
*my* libpython3.12d.so.1.0
5. obviously the *python3* is *not* able to create the right environment from
the installation directory of the *python3* executable.

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On 13.12.24 11:44, aotto1968 wrote:

On 13.12.24 11:36, aotto1968 wrote:

it's a shame...
almost every tool I touch that uses "python" in some way has some configuration error because apparently a __private__ python
installation __isn't__ properly "understood".

I think after ~30 years *python* should be able to handle a shared-library proper __or__ switch to a *static-build* by

default.

example here is the "mono-build" with the following installation.

1. The build is done with my user and the installation is done as root.
2. The setup proper find *my* python3 because my PATH etc is setup well.
3. root is an other environment and root does *not* have my environment.
4. root uses *my* python3 without *my* environment and is *not* able to find
   *my* libpython3.12d.so.1.0
5. obviously the *python3* is *not* able to create the right environment from
  the installation directory of the *python3* executable.

even the `sudo -E make install` with "-E, --preserve-env" does help.

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it's a shame...
almost every tool I touch that uses "python" in some way has some configuration error because apparently a __private__ python
installation __isn't__ properly "understood".

I think after ~30 years *python* should be able to handle a shared-library proper __or__ switch to a *static-build* by default.

example here is the "mono-build" with the following installation.

make[1]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird betreten HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
make[2]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird betreten HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
make[2]: Für das Ziel „install-exec-am“ ist nichts zu tun.
make[2]: Für das Ziel „install-data-am“ ist nichts zu tun.
make[2]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird verlassen make[1]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird verlassen [debug]dev1usr@linux02:~/src/mono.git> ldd HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffd18e9a000)
libpython3.12d.so.1.0 => HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/lib64/libpython3.12d.so.1.0 (0x00007f9c5d374000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f9c5d350000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f9c5d349000)
libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f9c5d345000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f9c5d1f9000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f9c5d002000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f9c5dab4000)

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On 13 Dec 2024, at 15:54, aotto1968 via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:

HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

This is a debug build?

Try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point at the folder that contains the .so.
Test with `ldd python3` which will show which .so libs python3 needs and if they are found.

This is what I see on Fedora 41 as an example of the output.

$ ldd /usr/bin/python3
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x0000ffffb8515000)
libpython3.13.so.1.0 => /lib64/libpython3.13.so.1.0 (0x0000ffffb7ea0000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x0000ffffb7cd0000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x0000ffffb7c20000)
/lib/ld-linux-aarch64.so.1 (0x0000ffffb84d0000)

Barry

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On 13.12.24 19:24, Barry wrote:

On 13 Dec 2024, at 15:54, aotto1968 via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:

HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

This is a debug build?

Try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point at the folder that contains the .so. Test with `ldd python3` which will show which .so libs python3 needs and if they are found.

This is what I see on Fedora 41 as an example of the output.

$ ldd /usr/bin/python3
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x0000ffffb8515000)
libpython3.13.so.1.0 => /lib64/libpython3.13.so.1.0 (0x0000ffffb7ea0000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x0000ffffb7cd0000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x0000ffffb7c20000)
/lib/ld-linux-aarch64.so.1 (0x0000ffffb84d0000)

Barry

the problem is *not* to setup an environment variable, the problem is that python is *not*
able to setup the *python* environment by it self.

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On 2024-12-13 11:36:01 +0100, aotto1968 via Python-list wrote:

it's a shame...
almost every tool I touch that uses "python" in some way has some configuration error because apparently a __private__ python installation __isn't__ properly "understood".

I think after ~30 years *python* should be able to handle a shared-library proper __or__ switch to a *static-build* by default.

example here is the "mono-build" with the following installation.

make[1]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird betreten HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

What is HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3 and why is HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests trying to use it?

[...]

make[1]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird verlassen [debug]dev1usr@linux02:~/src/mono.git> ldd HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffd18e9a000)
libpython3.12d.so.1.0 => HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/lib64/libpython3.12d.so.1.0 (0x00007f9c5d374000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f9c5d350000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f9c5d349000)
libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f9c5d345000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f9c5d1f9000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f9c5d002000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f9c5dab4000)

So HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3 does find HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/lib64/libpython3.12d.so.1.0 if you
invoke it from the shell (to confirm that, try actually invoking it
instead of running ldd on it), but not when it's called from whatever
make is doing in the acceptance-tests directory.

So it might be because it's in a different directory ("HOME/ext/..." is
a relative path. That will not work in a different directory. Also
"HOME" is a strange choice for a directory name. Did you mean $HOME?) or because the acceptance tests set up their own environment.

I'd test the first idea first. Cd into
HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests and try to invoke HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3 there.

hp

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On 14.12.24 10:56, Peter J. Holzer wrote:

On 2024-12-13 11:36:01 +0100, aotto1968 via Python-list wrote:

it's a shame...
almost every tool I touch that uses "python" in some way has some
configuration error because apparently a __private__ python installation
__isn't__ properly "understood".

I think after ~30 years *python* should be able to handle a shared-library proper __or__ switch to a *static-build* by default.

example here is the "mono-build" with the following installation.

make[1]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird betreten >> HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared >> libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory

What is HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3 and why is HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests trying to use it?

[...]

make[1]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird verlassen >> [debug]dev1usr@linux02:~/src/mono.git> ldd HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffd18e9a000)
libpython3.12d.so.1.0 => HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/lib64/libpython3.12d.so.1.0 (0x00007f9c5d374000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f9c5d350000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f9c5d349000)
libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f9c5d345000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f9c5d1f9000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f9c5d002000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f9c5dab4000)

So HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3 does find HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/lib64/libpython3.12d.so.1.0 if you invoke it from the shell (to confirm that, try actually invoking it
instead of running ldd on it), but not when it's called from whatever
make is doing in the acceptance-tests directory.

So it might be because it's in a different directory ("HOME/ext/..." is
a relative path. That will not work in a different directory. Also
"HOME" is a strange choice for a directory name. Did you mean $HOME?) or because the acceptance tests set up their own environment.

I'd test the first idea first. Cd into
HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests and try to invoke HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3 there.

hp

The CORE problem is that python3 works well in *my* environment but the installation is done as root and root does not use *my* environment.

the mono build search for a working python3 and find *my*

HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3

The build is fine but after switch to root for installation

sudo make install

the root user call *my* python3 and fail.

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On 13.12.24 11:36, aotto1968 wrote:

it's a shame...
almost every tool I touch that uses "python" in some way has some configuration error because apparently a __private__ python
installation __isn't__ properly "understood".

I think after ~30 years *python* should be able to handle a shared-library proper __or__ switch to a *static-build* by default.

example here is the "mono-build" with the following installation.

make[1]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird betreten HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3: error while loading shared libraries: libpython3.12d.so.1.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
make[2]: Für das Ziel „install-exec-am“ ist nichts zu tun.
make[2]: Für das Ziel „install-data-am“ ist nichts zu tun.
make[2]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird verlassen make[1]: Verzeichnis „HOME/src/mono.git/acceptance-tests“ wird verlassen [debug]dev1usr@linux02:~/src/mono.git> ldd HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/bin/python3
        linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffd18e9a000)
        libpython3.12d.so.1.0 => HOME/ext/x86_64-suse-linux-gnu/debug/lib64/libpython3.12d.so.1.0 (0x00007f9c5d374000)
        libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f9c5d350000)
        libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f9c5d349000)
        libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f9c5d345000)
        libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f9c5d1f9000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f9c5d002000)
        /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f9c5dab4000)

If I read the answers I come to the conclusion that the "supporters" at python doesn't ever understand the problem.

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On 2024-12-16 08:08:46 +0100, aotto1968 via Python-list wrote:

On 13.12.24 11:36, aotto1968 wrote:

it's a shame...
almost every tool I touch that uses "python" in some way has some configuration error because apparently a __private__ python installation __isn't__ properly "understood".

[...]

If I read the answers I come to the conclusion that the "supporters" at python

We are not "the supporters at python". None of us is paid for doing
support. Most of us are just users of Python discussing the language and helping each other when we can (some of us are also contributors to
Python).

doesn't ever understand the problem.

Quite possibly, but in that case you haven't explained it well enough.

hp

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I get angry…

next python error…

1) The OpenSUSE command "cnf" checks if a special package feature is installed. 2) I recently compiled **my** SQLite3 library specifically tailored to **my** requirement and installed it in **my** SQLite3
project directory and never changed the OpenSUSE installation.
3) "cnf" seems to use "Python" internally, but is **not** able to configure the *Python* environment to use only "OpenSUSE"'s
own "Python" and "Sqlite3" software.
4) Now the "cnf" fails with "Python" which apparently tries to use **my** SQLite3.

what a shame.

cnf jmc

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/cnf", line 9, in <module>
import scout
File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/scout/__init__.py", line 10, in <module>
import sqlite3
File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/sqlite3/__init__.py", line 23, in <module>
from sqlite3.dbapi2 import *
File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 27, in <module>
from _sqlite3 import *
ImportError: /usr/lib64/python3.6/lib-dynload/_sqlite3.cpython-36m-x86_64-linux-gnu.so: undefined symbol: sqlite3_trace

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On 25.12.24 12:05, aotto1968 wrote:

I get angry…

next python error…

1) The OpenSUSE command "cnf" checks if a special package feature is installed.
2) I recently compiled **my** SQLite3 library specifically tailored to **my** requirement and installed it in **my** SQLite3
project directory and never changed the OpenSUSE installation.
3) "cnf" seems to use "Python" internally, but is **not** able to configure the *Python* environment to use only "OpenSUSE"'s
own "Python" and "Sqlite3" software.
4) Now the "cnf" fails with "Python" which apparently tries to use **my** SQLite3.

what a shame.

cnf jmc

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/cnf", line 9, in <module>
    import scout
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/scout/__init__.py", line 10, in <module>
    import sqlite3
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/sqlite3/__init__.py", line 23, in <module>
    from sqlite3.dbapi2 import *
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 27, in <module>
    from _sqlite3 import *
ImportError: /usr/lib64/python3.6/lib-dynload/_sqlite3.cpython-36m-x86_64-linux-gnu.so: undefined symbol: sqlite3_trace

It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:

1) "cnf" is using OS python

head /usr/bin/cnf

#!/usr/bin/python3

import gettext
import os
...

2) os "root" python

ls -al /usr/bin/python3

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2. Dez 13:16 /usr/bin/python3 -> python3.6

ls -al /usr/bin/python3.6

-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 10560 2. Dez 13:16 /usr/bin/python3.6

3) using **my** local non-root library

ls -al NHI1_EXT/lib64/libsqlite3.so.0

lrwxrwxrwx 1 dev1usr users 19 23. Dez 22:09 NHI1_EXT/lib64/libsqlite3.so.0 -> libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

ls -al NHI1_EXT/lib64/libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

-rwxr-xr-x 1 dev1usr users 3851872 23. Dez 22:09 NHI1_EXT/lib64/libsqlite3.so.0.8.6

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On 26.12.24 06:46, Chris Angelico wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 14:57, Michael Torrie via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:

On 12/25/24 3:55 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
<python-list@python.org> wrote:

It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because: >>>>
1) "cnf" is using OS python
2) os "root" python
3) using **my** local non-root library

I think he means the cnf is using the "root" OS python in /usr/bin, but
/usr/bin/python3 is trying to import his local build of sqlite3, which
cause it to fail. I assume he would like cnf to not try to import his
local sqlite3, and instead use the normal system one. If this is the
case, then somehow his local, non-root sqlite3 library is being picked
up by the system version of python.

Right. That's exactly what would happen if he'd built Python using
absolute paths to libraries, which is the normal way to do it. And so
the solution is to rebuild Python using absolute paths to libraries.

ChrisA

next I don't change the OpenSUSE python and the OpenSUSE python is using *my* sqlite3.

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On 25.12.24 23:55, Chris Angelico wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:

It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:

1) "cnf" is using OS python
2) os "root" python
3) using **my** local non-root library

Yes. And YOU were the one who installed a new root Python. This is a
feature. You have the power to update Python on your system.

You managed to make a build of Python that attempts to link to a DLL
using a relative path. That's a fault of the build that means it won't
work as root. I don't understand the confusion here; isn't the
solution here to build a new version with an absolute path, and update
your installation?

ChrisA

sorry you don't understand the problem…

You managed to make a build of Python that attempts to link to a DLL

I never touch the OpenSUSE python. the OpenSUSE python try to use my
sqalite3.

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On 26.12.24 04:55, Michael Torrie wrote:

On 12/25/24 3:55 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
<python-list@python.org> wrote:

It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:

1) "cnf" is using OS python
2) os "root" python
3) using **my** local non-root library

I think he means the cnf is using the "root" OS python in /usr/bin, but /usr/bin/python3 is trying to import his local build of sqlite3, which
cause it to fail. I assume he would like cnf to not try to import his
local sqlite3, and instead use the normal system one. If this is the
case, then somehow his local, non-root sqlite3 library is being picked
up by the system version of python.

Aotto might want to run the "env" command and see if there are any
search paths that have to do with Python. I can see how this could be a security issue. If you can figure out what's happening you might want to
open a ticket with the OpenSUSE developers. This is Python related, but
it's not necessarily python's fault per se.

You don't understand the problem if you think "/usr/bin/env" will solve the problem → this will make it more worse.

A "personal" python will use a "personal" configuration and probably is *not* build with sqlite3 support at all.

a *root* tool should never ever use/call a non *root* (personal) setup.

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On 26.12.24 04:55, Michael Torrie wrote:

On 12/25/24 3:55 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 at 09:27, aotto1968 via Python-list
<python-list@python.org> wrote:

It is not only an *usage* error it is also an *security* error because:

1) "cnf" is using OS python
2) os "root" python
3) using **my** local non-root library

I think he means the cnf is using the "root" OS python in /usr/bin, but /usr/bin/python3 is trying to import his local build of sqlite3, which
cause it to fail. I assume he would like cnf to not try to import his
local sqlite3, and instead use the normal system one. If this is the
case, then somehow his local, non-root sqlite3 library is being picked
up by the system version of python.

Aotto might want to run the "env" command and see if there are any
search paths that have to do with Python. I can see how this could be a security issue. If you can figure out what's happening you might want to
open a ticket with the OpenSUSE developers. This is Python related, but
it's not necessarily python's fault per se.

Yes I using with *my* user *my* environment but never touch the *root* environment at all.

the *root* python try to use *my* sqlite3 because *my* environment
fit to *my* needs.

/* just a reminder */

sqlite3 have a "special" (worse) setup that a change to the configuration
also change the "api" ( a sqlite_function disappear or arrive ).
If a tool like python using an extension that is linked to sqlite3 that extension
will likely FAIL is I get an OTHER sqlite3 which is NOT the one the extension was build with.

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On 26.12.24 19:33, Michael Torrie wrote:

On 12/25/24 10:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:

Right. That's exactly what would happen if he'd built Python using
absolute paths to libraries, which is the normal way to do it. And so
the solution is to rebuild Python using absolute paths to libraries.

You're right. Definitely appears to be a pretty major mis-configuration
of his system. Not much we can do about that.

no, your are wrong.

The problem is NOT that my user-account has a miss-configuration because my user-account works pretty well…

The problem is that the *default* /usr/bin/python3 OpenSUSE installation using parts of *my* local *user* setup.

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On 30.12.24 18:29, Michael Torrie wrote:

On 12/26/24 12:34 AM, aotto1968 via Python-list wrote:

sorry you don't understand the problem…

> You managed to make a build of Python that attempts to link to a DLL

I never touch the OpenSUSE python. the OpenSUSE python try to use my
sqalite3.

The *only* mechanism that would cause the system python binary to try to
load modules and libraries from your local install is your environment (environment variables).

that is right because MY environment variable point to MY local user stuff.

The CORE problem is that OpenSUSE (Linux) python use MY env.

If I call a OS feature like "cnf" this should NOT interact with my private user stuff.

the OpenSUSE do it right because OpenSUSE use /usr/bin/python in "cnf" BUT the python think to interact with MY env.

To make it short: The OS python will NEVER proper work if LOCAL user stuff is used.

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