I am clearly one of the troglodytes referred to in recent discussions around the PSF. I've been around in python land
for far too long, my eyesight fails etc etc.

I feel strongly that a miscarriage of justice has been made in the 3-month banning of a famous python developer from
some areas of discourse.

I have had my share of disagreements with others in the past and have been sometimes violent or disrespectful in emails.

I might have been in the kill list of some, but never banned from any mailing lists.

Honest dialogue is much better than imposed silence.

-- grumblingly-yrs --
Robin Becker

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On 8/14/24 15:19, Left Right via Python-list wrote:

On 8/14/24 13:26, geodandw via Python-list wrote:

Why do you have to belittle other people?

Who says I have to? I like to! I like to see people driven by all
sorts of low and reprehensible motives being punished for it. I don't
know if I need to explain this motivation further. I think it's a very natural feeling. Human nature if you will. The primordial sense of
justice, that was later developed into a bunch of different theories
of how justice might work.

It is not necessary to belittle in order to enjoy justice.

--
~Ethan~

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On 8/14/24 17:53, Mike Dewhirst via Python-list wrote:

I read Chris McDonough's defence of Tim Peters and he has convinced me.
Not because of everything he said but because I have experience of committees. And other things.

The problem is generational.

Later generations can see the faults of earlier generations in brilliant hindsight. I certainly did.

As another self-proclaimed troglodyte weighing in, I'm always suspicious
of authority shifting with limited explanations, which seems to have
been at the heart of the dispute. Questioning such is a responsibility
many of us take seriously.

However, I'd just like to point out: cultures evolve. Inclusivity is no
longer obtained, as in our younger days, by saying "suck it up and get
on with it". The steering council has this in their charter - PEP-13.
These are not people who are making difficult choices for reasons of
personal aggrandizement.

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