On 10/29/2024 11:14 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:56:36 -0400, DFS wrote:

As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.

So don’t use any of them. You have a choice.

I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
coming back to Windows File Explorer.

X File Explorer on Linux looks like it might be worth a try.

As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)

Pity you can’t just do “apt get install «editor-of-choice»”.

My editor of choice on Windows is Notepad++. It has a ton of features I
don't use, but a subset I won't go without: block commenting and
uncommenting, several line sort operations, show symbols, function list,
tab sizing, syntax highlighting, column mode, search across
folders/multiple documents.

I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their standards just to use Linux?

As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a
chance.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

crickets are already buzzing...

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On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
coming back to Windows File Explorer.

Could it cope with those 100,000 files we were discussing the other day?

But why should anyone have to lower their standards just to use Linux?

Emacs does it all. It was doing it all before you were born.

Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
analysis tools (i.e. not Microsoft): <https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.

As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”

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On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their standards just to use Linux?

I highly doubt if I took a screenshot of VS Code you could figure out what platform it was on.

Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA? Or suggest using LibreOffice?

Give a man a hammer...

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On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:31:00 -0400, Joel wrote:

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)

Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download

And a few other languages

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode

Even Cobol

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=bitlang.cobol

On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos with Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python, Raspberry Pi
Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.

Like browser extensions some are better than others but it's easy to find
out which ones are best for whatever you're trying to do.

Best of all it is available on Windows and Linux so I'm working in the
same environment no matter which OS.

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On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:31:00 -0400, Joel wrote:

Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download

Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.

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On 10/29/2024 11:31 PM, Joel wrote:

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)

Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download

A lot of programmers on Linux use it, but it's too heavy and crammed-
interface for my tastes.

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On 10/30/2024 12:16 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
coming back to Windows File Explorer.

Could it cope with those 100,000 files we were discussing the other day?

It copes very well.

But why should anyone have to lower their standards just to use Linux?

Emacs does it all. It was doing it all before you were born.

I didn't know Guy Steele wrote Emacs when he was 8.

Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
analysis tools (i.e. not Microsoft): <https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.

As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”

Told you you would fail.

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On 10/30/2024 12:36 AM, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their
standards just to use Linux?

I highly doubt if I took a screenshot of VS Code you could figure out what platform it was on.

I never claimed differently. But I don't like VS Code.

Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA?

I built that years ago to:
* smack down that LibreOffice junk
* show Feeb how to access info very quickly via GUI. The idiot thinks
users should write their own SQL if they want information.

I may do a quick rewrite of it in PyQt and SQLite, which should run
unchanged on Linux.

Hey, why don't you give the simple challenge a try? Just so you know,
it cannot be done in that piece of crap LibreOffice, so don't waste your
time. But pick your poison and have at it.

The loudmouth nitwits Feeb and Larry Duh and Joel have tucked tail and
run after making noise about LO being the equal of MS Office.

Or suggest using LibreOffice?

The ONLY thing I might suggest using LibreOffice for is trying to open
obscure documents.

Give a man a hammer...

Why shouldn't it be in an old version of Access, using VBA?

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On 10/30/2024 12:18 AM, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:31:00 -0400, Joel wrote:

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)

Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download

And a few other languages

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode

Even Cobol

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=bitlang.cobol

On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos with Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python, Raspberry Pi Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.

You're posting from a Raspberry Pi?

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:25:22 -0400, DFS wrote:

On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos
with Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python,
Raspberry Pi Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.

You're posting from a Raspberry Pi?

No, I'm posting from Ubuntu. However I do have it on the Raspberry Pi 5
and it works well.

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/raspberry-pi

I have it installed on two work Windows 11 machines, my Windows 11 laptop,
the Fedora, Ubuntu, and Lubuntu boxes, and the Pi.

The only machine where it isn't installed is my work Linux box. That has
32-bit Debian and Code isn't available. The legacy applications are 32-bit
and it's a royal PITA to build them on a 64-bit machine. 64-bit is out
since the legacy Esri ArcObjects is 32-bit.

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 05:47:50 -0400, Joel wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download

Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.

I would take your word for it ...

I certainly wouldn't and I use it almost every day.

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

Hey, why don't you give the simple challenge a try? Just so you know,
it cannot be done in that piece of crap LibreOffice, so don't waste your time. But pick your poison and have at it.

I only use LibreOffice to read docx or xls crap people insist on using for
RFPs or API documentation.

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

I may do a quick rewrite of it in PyQt and SQLite, which should run
unchanged on Linux.

That probably would be my approach although I would use PySide6.

https://doc.qt.io/qtforpython-6/

PySide6 avoids Riverbank Computing's bullshit. On Windows I might use .NET
and C# but so far there isn't a decent .NET GUI on Linux.

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 05:47:50 -0400, Joel wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download

Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.

I would take your word for it ...

It was claimed to be able to run Jupyter notebooks. Turns out it doesn’t
do that very well. It’ll stick to the real Jupyter.

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 12:36 AM, rbowman wrote:

Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA?

I built that years ago to:
* smack down that LibreOffice junk

Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:03:04 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 12:16 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

Here's the datasource:
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
analysis tools (i.e. not Microsoft):
<https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.

As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”

Told you you would fail.

Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to Python-based open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the quality of
analysis available through examples like the above.

Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those extra
tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb to
realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.

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On 10/30/2024 5:05 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 12:36 AM, rbowman wrote:

Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA?

I built that years ago to:
* smack down that LibreOffice junk

Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?

Why are you still running away from the beatdown Access from 2003 puts
on LibreOffice Base from 2024?

You smirked, then ran. Why?

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:39:06 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 5:05 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 12:36 AM, rbowman wrote:

Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with >>>> the equally obsolete VBA?

I built that years ago to:
* smack down that LibreOffice junk

Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?

Why are you still running away from the beatdown Access from 2003 puts
on LibreOffice Base from 2024?

*Yawn* So you managed to make something look pretty. And meaningless.

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On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent .NET
GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms? UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.

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On 30 Oct 2024 16:58:30 GMT, rbowman wrote:

The legacy applications are 32-bit
and it's a royal PITA to build them on a 64-bit machine. 64-bit is out
since the legacy Esri ArcObjects is 32-bit.

Have you tried creating a 32-bit LXC container and building the software
in that?

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On 31 Oct 2024 00:40:52 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms? >> UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.

So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?

Anybody else see the irony in that?

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On 10/30/2024 7:54 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:39:06 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 5:05 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 12:36 AM, rbowman wrote:

Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV >>>>> data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with >>>>> the equally obsolete VBA?

I built that years ago to:
* smack down that LibreOffice junk

Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?

Why are you still running away from the beatdown Access from 2003 puts
on LibreOffice Base from 2024?

*Yawn* So you managed to make something look pretty. And meaningless.

pwned.

Not that you and Feeb and GuhNoo LeeberOffice hobbyware were ever up to
the challenge.

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 00:16:38 -0400, DFS wrote:

Not that [Linux] were ever up to the challenge.

Challenge to make something look pretty?

Actually, you can’t even win that prize <https://matplotlib.org/stable/gallery/index>.

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rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms? >> UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.

Qt is decent, and cross-platform. And it's, I think, better maintained on Windows than is Gtkmm (for example).

And avoids Microsoft's chronic churn.

--
You will not be elected to public office this year.

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On 10/31/2024 1:32 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 00:16:38 -0400, DFS wrote:

Not that [Linux] were ever up to the challenge.

That's not what I said, liar.

Challenge to make something look pretty?

I only ever said functionality, liar.

You deflected to 'pretty' because you're a sore loser.

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On 10/30/2024 5:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:03:04 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 12:16 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

Here's the datasource:
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
analysis tools (i.e. not Microsoft):
<https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.

As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”

Told you you would fail.

Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to Python-based open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the quality of analysis available through examples like the above.

Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those extra tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb to
realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.

When a GuhNoo dud like you is beaten by GuhNoo dud software, he falls
back on dud lies and dud conjecture.

Larry Dud: "Installing a half-dozen python data science libraries will
make your Windows system unusable"

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 04:17:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 31 Oct 2024 00:40:52 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms? >>> UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.

So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?

What I see is the irony of your claim there is no decent GUI for an OS
that dominates the desktop market. You are the anti-DFS when it comes to
making baseless claims.

Anybody else see the irony in that?

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 07:46:27 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms? >>> UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.

Qt is decent, and cross-platform. And it's, I think, better maintained
on Windows than is Gtkmm (for example).

https://www.qt.io/blog/qt/.net-hosting-.net-code-in-a-qt-application

Not quite there yet for .NET. There was a WX.NET for wxWidgets but that
died years ago. Note that I'm focusing on .NET as a cross platform
technology. ASP.NET and CLI apps are fine on Linux but GUIs have been the drawback.

As far as QT I hope the Qt Company is a little more together than
Trolltech. The trolls were vague about commercial licensing. That's still
a problem with PyQt versus PySide6.

And avoids Microsoft's chronic churn.

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:48:26 -0400, DFS dissembled:

On 10/31/2024 1:32 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

Challenge to make something look pretty?

I only ever said functionality ...

What functionality? All you did was put together a GUI for showing the
data.

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:54:17 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 5:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to
Python-based open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the
quality of analysis available through examples like the above.

Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those
extra tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb
to realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.

[dissembling]

Says the one who was so desperate to find something nice that someone had
said about Microsoft Office, they had to go hang out on a Liberal-leaning
media site!

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On 31 Oct 2024 17:49:50 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 04:17:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 31 Oct 2024 00:40:52 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI?
WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.

So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that
inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?

What I see is the irony of your claim there is no decent GUI for an OS
that dominates the desktop market.

How do developers create those “decent” GUIs without adequate tools?

Maybe those GUIs don’t turn out to be so “decent” in actual use after
all ...

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 19:42:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 31 Oct 2024 17:49:50 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 04:17:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 31 Oct 2024 00:40:52 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent >>>>>> .NET GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI?
WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are
the descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt
over WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.

So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that
inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?

What I see is the irony of your claim there is no decent GUI for an OS
that dominates the desktop market.

How do developers create those “decent” GUIs without adequate tools?

Just what do you consider adequate tools? I suppose Visual Studio isn't
one of them.

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On 31 Oct 2024 22:38:23 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 19:42:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 31 Oct 2024 17:49:50 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 04:17:19 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On 31 Oct 2024 00:40:52 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>

On 30 Oct 2024 17:05:47 GMT, rbowman wrote:

On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a
decent .NET GUI on Linux.

There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either. >>>>>>
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI?
WinForms? UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?

Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are
the descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt
over WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.

So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that
inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?

What I see is the irony of your claim there is no decent GUI for an OS
that dominates the desktop market.

How do developers create those “decent” GUIs without adequate tools?

Just what do you consider adequate tools?

The question is, what do Microsoft and its developers consider adequate
tools? Seems like nothing currently fills the bill.

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On 10/31/2024 3:44 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:54:17 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/30/2024 5:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to
Python-based open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the >>> quality of analysis available through examples like the above.

Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those
extra tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb >>> to realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.

[dissembling]

Cope, dud.

Says the one who was so desperate to find something nice that someone
had said about Microsoft Office, they had to go hang out on a Liberal-leaning media site!

The story was mentioned at the bottom of the page on some tech site.

keep coping, dud.

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 21:55:38 -0400, DFS wrote:

On 10/31/2024 3:44 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

Says the one who was so desperate to find something nice that someone
had said about Microsoft Office, they had to go hang out on a
Liberal-leaning media site!

The story was mentioned at the bottom of the page on some tech site.

Excuses, excuses.

No doubt Liberal-leaning, too.

Don’t you check on the orthodoxy of links before clicking?

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:58 this Wednesday (GMT):

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:31:00 -0400, Joel wrote:

Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download

Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.

I personally won't touch it anymore after they forced AI stuff even
harder than usual.
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user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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On Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:49:51 -0500, Joel wrote:

... VS Code looked pretty cool ... it shows they really do support
Linux.

And they did it without using any of their own much-vaunted GUI
development tools. Instead they built it out of Electron, of all things.

Vote of confidence in your own platform, much?

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On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 00:16:55 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:49:51 -0500, Joel wrote:

... VS Code looked pretty cool ... it shows they really do support
Linux.

And they did it without using any of their own much-vaunted GUI
development tools. Instead they built it out of Electron, of all things.

Vote of confidence in your own platform, much?

And it runs on Windows, Macs, Linux, and even the Arm64 Debian derivative
used for Raspberry Pi OS.

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On Thu, 07 Nov 2024 19:50:51 -0500, Joel wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

... VS Code looked pretty cool ... it shows they really do support
Linux.

And they did it without using any of their own much-vaunted GUI
development tools. Instead they built it out of Electron, of all
things.

Vote of confidence in your own platform, much?

Feel free not to use it, then, jeez.

You forget what this noisegroup is all about.

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