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Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.
Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
wrote:
[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it
should be available to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level
of transition].
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors >>performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.
Idiot, phobe.
[Default] Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> typed:
Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.
What a bitter man.
Says the child molester
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
In article <verr9t$2squh$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 12:36 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vere5c$2q4h9$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if youYou're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.
Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
get my drift.
Pun intended.
Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh
Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.
So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your >>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being >>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation? >>>>>>>>>>
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time. >>>>>>>>>>>
Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.
On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases. >>>>>>>>>>
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.
And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
Case in point:
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.
We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
I was better off when Trump was in office.
By what measure?
So?
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.
Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages >>>>>>>>>>> catch up?
Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times. >>>>>>>>>
The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at >>>>>>>> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan. >>>>>>>>
-hh
I couls afford to do stuff.
So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your >>>>>> employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that? >>>>>>
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically >>>>>> go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long >>>>>> hours anymore.
Crime wasn't as bad.
Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most >>>>>> crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false
perception that things aren't getting better:
"Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and >>>>>> 2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated >>>>>> assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."
<https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property >>>>>> theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the >>>>>> mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time:
"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate >>>>>> between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary
(-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
-Ibid
So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your >>>>>> personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region? >>>>>> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
-hh
Moron.
Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh
I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?
Oh, so then what you're really saying is that you failed on your own
retirement planning to take inflation into account.
I never said any of that liar.
So then, was your personal planning failure due to recency bias?
Or have you always been bad at math & finances? /s
<blink> Anyway prices are almost double than what they were.
Because there's not been a major enough Market downturn to blame it on
Sequence of Returns risks since ~2008.
Gas? Food? Keep sucking up that kool aid.
Oh and you're still a moron.
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck. Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
On 10/17/24 5:00 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <verr9t$2squh$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 12:36 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vere5c$2q4h9$2@dont-email.me>,Oh, so then what you're really saying is that you failed on your own
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02áPM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if youYou're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.
Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
get my drift.
Pun intended.
Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh
Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.
So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation? >>>>>>>>>>
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time. >>>>>>>>>>>
Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.
On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases. >>>>>>>>>>
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.
And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
Case in point:
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
So then, just what is the definition of "working" here? >>>>>>>>>>>
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.
We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
I was better off when Trump was in office.
By what measure?
So?
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.
Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
catch up?
Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times. >>>>>>>>>
The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan. >>>>>>>>
-hh
I couls afford to do stuff.
So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your >>>>>> employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage >>>>>> increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that? >>>>>>
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.
Crime wasn't as bad.
Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most >>>>>> crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false >>>>>> perception that things aren't getting better:
"Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and >>>>>> 2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated >>>>>> assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."
<https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the
mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time: >>>>>>
"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate
between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary >>>>>> (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
-Ibid
So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region? >>>>>> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true. >>>>>>
-hh
Moron.
Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh
I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron? >>
retirement planning to take inflation into account.
I never said any of that liar.
It is what you're effectively admitting to: inflation isn't a fiction,
so good retirement planning *always* has to include cost of living
increases in its financial plan.
Since your complaint is that you've fallen behind economically, it is entirely your own damn fault for failing to adequately prepare for your
own retirement.
So then, was your personal planning failure due to recency bias?
Or have you always been bad at math & finances? /s
<blink> Anyway prices are almost double than what they were.
"Double"? Only if you're comparing costs to ... 1996:
<https://www.usinflationcalculator.com>
Because there's not been a major enough Market downturn to blame it on
Sequence of Returns risks since ~2008.
Gas? Food? Keep sucking up that kool aid.
The fall of 2018 was Trump's peak economy, as the US domestic
manufacturing segment went into a technical recession by early 2019
(yes, before CoVid) and the national average price of regular gas was
just over $2.90/gallon:
10/08/2018: $2.903
Cite: <https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>
And for the same exact time period earlier this month:
10/07/2024: $3.136
Now $3.136/$2.903 = 1.0803 = = +8.03%
These are NOT inflation adjusted dollars, so it shows that the inflation
rate on gasoline has been just +8% over 6 years.
And if one takes the 6th root of that to get an average inflation rate
over those six years, its 1.01295 = 1.013 = +1.3%/year
For food, its usually easier to assume the basket used in the CPI
(above) which reports 16.4% since 2021. However, you're probably trying
to cherry-pick on the price of eggs which spiked for awhile not because
of federal policy, but because of bird flu decimating the flocks. I've *also* posted about this too. Plus there's also been reports of
deliberate corporate profiteering in excess of supply chain disruptions:
[quote]In a March report, the Federal Trade Commission found that food retailers' profit margins exceeded the costs they passed along to
consumers both during and after the pandemic at rates that could not be rationalized by supply-chain disruptions or wage increases.
Grocery chain profits spiked 11% between 2021 and 2022; they have yet to
come down. Specifically, the FTC noted that "data indicates that one
measure of annual profits for food and beverage retailers ? the amount
of money companies make over and above their total costs ? rose
substantially during the pandemic and remain quite elevated," adding
that "this profit trend casts doubt on assertions that rising prices at
the grocery store are simply moving in lockstep with retailers' own
rising costs."
[/quote]
<https://money.com/grocery-store-prices-inflation-stocks/>
Plus there's also a gap between DIY food and Service:
[quote]
The level of food price inflation varies depending on whether the food
was purchased for consumption at home or away from home:
The food-at-home (grocery store or supermarket food purchases) CPI
decreased 0.1 percent from July 2024 to August 2024 and was 0.9 percent higher than August 2023; and
The food-away-from-home (restaurant purchases) CPI increased 0.3 percent
in August 2024 and was 4.0 percent higher than August 2023.
[/quote]
<https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-price-outlook/>
Oh and you're still a moron.
Must suck to be you and have a "moron" school you in public on very
basic math & home budgeting.
In article <vetjvd$39sr8$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 5:00 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <verr9t$2squh$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 12:36 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vere5c$2q4h9$2@dont-email.me>,Oh, so then what you're really saying is that you failed on your own
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if youYou're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.
Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
get my drift.
Pun intended.
Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh
Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.
So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation? >>>>>>>>>>>>
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.
On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases. >>>>>>>>>>>>
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.
And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
Case in point:
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
So then, just what is the definition of "working" here? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.
We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
I was better off when Trump was in office.
By what measure?
So?
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.
Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
catch up?
Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times. >>>>>>>>>>>
The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan. >>>>>>>>>>
-hh
I couls afford to do stuff.
So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your >>>>>>>> employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage >>>>>>>> increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that? >>>>>>>>
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.
Crime wasn't as bad.
Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most >>>>>>>> crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false >>>>>>>> perception that things aren't getting better:
"Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and >>>>>>>> 2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated >>>>>>>> assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."
<https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the
mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time: >>>>>>>>
"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate
between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary >>>>>>>> (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
-Ibid
So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region? >>>>>>>> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true. >>>>>>>>
-hh
Moron.
Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh
I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron? >>>>
retirement planning to take inflation into account.
I didn't admit to anything. Typical liberal putting words in my mouth.
I never said any of that liar.
It is what you're effectively admitting to: inflation isn't a fiction,
so good retirement planning *always* has to include cost of living
increases in its financial plan.
I admitted nothing.
Since your complaint is that you've fallen behind economically, it is
entirely your own damn fault for failing to adequately prepare for your
own retirement.
You idiot. I never said I was falling behind in anything.
So then, was your personal planning failure due to recency bias?
Or have you always been bad at math & finances? /s
<blink> Anyway prices are almost double than what they were.
"Double"? Only if you're comparing costs to ... 1996:
4 years ago.
You didn't school me in anything. You just confirmed what morons
<https://www.usinflationcalculator.com>
Because there's not been a major enough Market downturn to blame it on >>>> Sequence of Returns risks since ~2008.
Gas? Food? Keep sucking up that kool aid.
The fall of 2018 was Trump's peak economy, as the US domestic
manufacturing segment went into a technical recession by early 2019
(yes, before CoVid) and the national average price of regular gas was
just over $2.90/gallon:
10/08/2018: $2.903
Cite:
<https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>
And for the same exact time period earlier this month:
10/07/2024: $3.136
Now $3.136/$2.903 = 1.0803 = = +8.03%
These are NOT inflation adjusted dollars, so it shows that the inflation
rate on gasoline has been just +8% over 6 years.
And if one takes the 6th root of that to get an average inflation rate
over those six years, its 1.01295 = 1.013 = +1.3%/year
For food, its usually easier to assume the basket used in the CPI
(above) which reports 16.4% since 2021. However, you're probably trying
to cherry-pick on the price of eggs which spiked for awhile not because
of federal policy, but because of bird flu decimating the flocks. I've
*also* posted about this too. Plus there's also been reports of
deliberate corporate profiteering in excess of supply chain disruptions:
[quote]In a March report, the Federal Trade Commission found that food
retailers' profit margins exceeded the costs they passed along to
consumers both during and after the pandemic at rates that could not be
rationalized by supply-chain disruptions or wage increases.
Grocery chain profits spiked 11% between 2021 and 2022; they have yet to
come down. Specifically, the FTC noted that "data indicates that one
measure of annual profits for food and beverage retailers ? the amount
of money companies make over and above their total costs ? rose
substantially during the pandemic and remain quite elevated," adding
that "this profit trend casts doubt on assertions that rising prices at
the grocery store are simply moving in lockstep with retailers' own
rising costs."
[/quote]
<https://money.com/grocery-store-prices-inflation-stocks/>
Plus there's also a gap between DIY food and Service:
[quote]
The level of food price inflation varies depending on whether the food
was purchased for consumption at home or away from home:
The food-at-home (grocery store or supermarket food purchases) CPI
decreased 0.1 percent from July 2024 to August 2024 and was 0.9 percent
higher than August 2023; and
The food-away-from-home (restaurant purchases) CPI increased 0.3 percent
in August 2024 and was 4.0 percent higher than August 2023.
[/quote]
<https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-price-outlook/>
Oh and you're still a moron.
Must suck to be you and have a "moron" school you in public on very
basic math & home budgeting.
liberals are.
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck. Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
On 10/18/24 7:59 AM, -hh wrote:
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Oh, look: its even more than just colloquial.
From a 2021 report:
[quote]
?Guys? isn?t a gendered word anymore. It?s fine to use with everyone.
...
One of the problems with dismissing the word guys as inherently
masculine is that it assumes that the gendering of language is fixed ?
that the meaning we make of things now is the meaning they?ve always had
and always will. But clearly that?s not true. In fact, guys comes from
the burned effigies of England?s 17th-century would-be bomber Guy
Fawkes, which were called ?guys,? and then came to be applied to every lowlife fellow, and eventually to males altogether. But by the middle of
the 20th century, women began using it too, as a generic, plural form of ?you.? In other words, women themselves helped make ?guys? gender-neutral.
[/quote]
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/07/guys-defense-gendered-etymology/>
TL;DR: you may live way in the boonies, but as per the above reporting, you're a half century out of date. Please do try to keep up.
-hh
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck.á Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame
the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
On 10/17/24 12:44 PM, Scout wrote:
"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vere4d$2q4h9$1@dont-email.me...
On 10/17/24 10:38 AM, Scout wrote:
"-hh" wrote:
On 10/16/24 5:20 PM, troll Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
-hh wrote:
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, >>>>>>> she was representing California, one of the most progressive States >>>>>>> in the USA
The MOST failed state in this nation.
Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy. >>>>
Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.
Yea, and just because you have a large economy does not make you good.
Of course not. Amongst other things is the context of that GDP, which is
why one normalizes by population to find relative prosperity. China is
~3x the population of the USA, but it is because its GDP per Capita is so
low ... roughly ~1/6th that of the USA ($13K vs $83K) ... that they don't have a comparable amount of prosperity for its population.
On Oct 18, 2024 at 8:23:52áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <67127d6f$1$1781$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
Covid. Ukraine. Israel. Corporate greed. Trump redistributing money to the very rich. These things hurt the economy badly.
Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame >> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
Whatever.
That is the right wing response to evidence: whatever.
You focus on emotions... those on the left TEND to focus on evidence and equal
rights more.
What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the
people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.
Unsupported accusation based on your emotional state.
In article <vetij7$39q0d$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck. Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
Oh so you steal the "snowflake" from us and use it. Nothing original.
On Oct 18, 2024 at 9:03:13áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <671286c1$1$212402$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <67127eb3$1$1428338$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 8:23:52 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<67127d6f$1$1781$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries. >>>Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
Covid. Ukraine. Israel. Corporate greed. Trump redistributing money to the >> very rich. These things hurt the economy badly.
Whatever.
Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame >>>> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame. >>>
That is the right wing response to evidence: whatever.
and the left wing response to anything is "TRUMP".
Nope. While it is true ANYONE would be better than Trump, those of us on the left care about a lot more than that.
Liberal policies are rooted in evidence-based approaches and a commitment to equal rights, aiming for outcomes that benefit society as a whole. For healthcare, they focus on universal access or the like which studies show leads to better health outcomes and lower costs.
On climate change, they look to scientific consensus that transitioning to renewable energy reduces carbon emissions and can create millions of jobs in clean energy industries.
Economically, raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more are supported by data showing they reduce income inequality and improve quality of
life for low- and middle-income workers.
In education, offering free public college and forgiving student loans are based on evidence that increasing access to education leads to higher earnings
and economic mobility. Expanding early childhood education has long been proven to improve long-term academic and social outcomes.
For civil rights, policies promoting racial justice, LGBTQ+ protections, and reproductive rights aim to ensure equal treatment for all, leading to a fairer, more inclusive society. Immigration reform would provide a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, with research showing that integrating immigrants strengthens the economy.
Gun control measures like universal background checks and assault weapon bans are supported by data linking them to lower rates of gun violence. Expanding voting rights and strengthening unions have been shown to lead to greater civic participation and fairer wages, promoting equality across society. The focus is on policies that create a healthier, fairer, and more just society for all.
What do you think the right wing has to offer? Notice below you focus on feelings and maintain your unsupported accusations.
You focus on emotions... those on the left TEND to focus on evidence and equal
rights more.
But you feel harmed bu Trump.
What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the
people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.
Unsupported accusation based on your emotional state.
Truth and you are to stupid to know it.
In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame
the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
Whatever. What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.
10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
On 10/18/24 11:23 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries.
Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was
paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
Not for most of Trump's tenure you didn't.
The only time that gas was under $2/gallon during Trump's tenure was for
just 9 weeks during the biggest part of the CoVid shutdown, namely
4/6/20 to 6/1/20.
That's just 4% of Trump's time in office: the other 96% of the time you
were paying more.
In some cases, more then than the equivalent dollar value today.
Case in point, from my prior post:
10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
As per the CPI calculator (here's the URL again):
<https://www.usinflationcalculator.com>
...$1 in 2018 is worth $0.80 today, so (.80)*($3.136) = $2.51/gallon.
Yes, what this means is that the real price of gas today is 13% lower
than it was the same week back in 2018.
- -
Plus since this is supposed to be about policy, not random chance of
CoVid, do you remember what did Trump do when gas prices did plummet by
20% in one month from CoVid?
Why Trump flew to Saudi Arabia and demanded that OPEC cut production so
as to raise oil prices:
<https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-us-military-support--idUSKBN22C1V3/>
Plus on future oil prices, Trump set the stage for those being higher
too after his term, by expanding bans on domestic exploration drilling, calling himself a "great environmentalist":
<https://www.npr.org/2020/09/26/917309717/as-election-nears-trump-expands-moratorium-on-exploratory-drilling-in-atlantic>
Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame >> the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
Whatever. What you call facts is only bullshit put out there to make the people happy. I do the shopping. I know what is going on.
It ain't bullshit to cite historical industry data. Especially data
that's been collected & published weekly for literally decades.
It ain't bullshit to note that you've cherry-picked from the CoVid price crash, instead being honest on what prices were 90%+ of the time.
And it ain't bullshit to note that you've avoided correcting me on what
I said about your statements:
[quote]
"I couls afford to do stuff."
which you said that in context to your prior
"I was better off when Trump was in office."
You're trying to imply that you could afford stuff when Trump was in
office, but now you can't.
[/quote]
You've claimed that gas was 2x more expensive.
That's been proven false.
You've also claimed food was 2x more expensive.
That's been proven false too.
Got anything else you want to try to falsely blame?
-hh
On 2024-10-18, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <vetij7$39q0d$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck. Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
Oh so you steal the "snowflake" from us and use it. Nothing original.
Typical libby.
They are good at stealing.
In article <vetlf8$39sr8$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/18/24 7:59 AM, -hh wrote:
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Oh, look: its even more than just colloquial.
From a 2021 report:
[quote]
?Guys? isn?t a gendered word anymore. It?s fine to use with everyone.
...
One of the problems with dismissing the word guys as inherently
masculine is that it assumes that the gendering of language is fixed ?
that the meaning we make of things now is the meaning they?ve always had
and always will. But clearly that?s not true. In fact, guys comes from
the burned effigies of England?s 17th-century would-be bomber Guy
Fawkes, which were called ?guys,? and then came to be applied to every
lowlife fellow, and eventually to males altogether. But by the middle of
the 20th century, women began using it too, as a generic, plural form of
?you.? In other words, women themselves helped make ?guys? gender-neutral. >>
[/quote]
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/07/guys-defense-gendered-etymology/>
TL;DR: you may live way in the boonies, but as per the above reporting,
you're a half century out of date. Please do try to keep up.
-hh
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck. Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
I made you respond to your own post. Obsessed much?
-hh wrote:
10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
of a demoturd.
And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
grossly under-represented.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under- biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden — 13 times faster than previous 7 years: analysis
And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
On 10/18/24 1:41 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
-hh wrote:
10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive
virus of a demoturd.
And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
grossly under-represented.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-
biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden — 13 times faster
than previous 7 years: analysis
And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
Fox lied to you.
On 10/18/24 1:41 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
-hh wrote:
10/08/2018:á $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024:á $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
of a demoturd.
And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
grossly under-represented.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under- biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than previous 7 years: analysis
And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1% higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
Fox lied to you.
They lied because a +52% increase from $2.392/gal (week ending 1/25/21)
is equal to $3.638/gal, whereas prices are roughly 50 cents/gal lower,
namely either $3.136 to $3.171, depending on if Fox published as per EAI
week ending 10/07/24 or 10/14/24.
And you don't need to believe me: go check the cite & math yourself:
<https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>
-hh
On 10/18/24 12:16 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-18, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <vetij7$39q0d$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck. Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
Oh so you steal the "snowflake" from us and use it. Nothing original.
Typical libby.
They are good at stealing.
Nah, just showing how you can dish it out, but you can't take it back.
And using your own "Cry harder" slogan is only as insulting to you as
you intended for it to be to others.
-hh
On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:24:15áPM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <6712b5aa$1$2756$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <veuaqu$3cf08$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/18/24 1:41 PM, Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
-hh wrote:Fox lied to you.
10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus >>> of a demoturd.
And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
grossly under-represented.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-
biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than >>> previous 7 years: analysis
And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported. >>
They lied because a +52% increase from $2.392/gal (week ending 1/25/21)
is equal to $3.638/gal, whereas prices are roughly 50 cents/gal lower,
namely either $3.136 to $3.171, depending on if Fox published as per EAI >> week ending 10/07/24 or 10/14/24.
And you don't need to believe me: go check the cite & math yourself:
<https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W>
-hh
Do you always respond to yourself? Seeking attention?
Why do you respond to facts you do not like but with nastiness instead of staying on topic?
On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14áAM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote <veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
-hh wrote:
10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
of a demoturd.
And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
grossly under-represented.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than previous 7 years: analysis
And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1% higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.
On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:18:53áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <6712996b$2$1428050$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <67128dea$2$1895508$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 9:03:13 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671286c1$1$212402$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <67127eb3$1$1428338$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 8:23:52 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<67127d6f$1$1781$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vetsqo$3bg55$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Yet gas is still not 2x what it was before CoVid. Nor are groceries. >>>>>Do you admit prices are higher? Yes when Trump was in office i was >>>>> paying less than 2 bucks a gallon.
Covid. Ukraine. Israel. Corporate greed. Trump redistributing money to the
very rich. These things hurt the economy badly.
Your claims have been debunked by the facts, and for you to try to blame
the messenger instead of yourself for being wrong is pathetically lame.
Whatever.
That is the right wing response to evidence: whatever.
and the left wing response to anything is "TRUMP".
Nope. While it is true ANYONE would be better than Trump, those of us on the
left care about a lot more than that.
No you don't. You are willing to put a buffoon in office just because
your hate. That's YOUR feelings.
Your claim is faulty.
Liberal policies are rooted in evidence-based approaches and a commitment to
equal rights, aiming for outcomes that benefit society as a whole. For
healthcare, they focus on universal access or the like which studies show >> leads to better health outcomes and lower costs.
On climate change, they look to scientific consensus that transitioning to >> renewable energy reduces carbon emissions and can create millions of jobs in
clean energy industries.
Economically, raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more are
supported by data showing they reduce income inequality and improve quality of
life for low- and middle-income workers.
In education, offering free public college and forgiving student loans are >> based on evidence that increasing access to education leads to higher earnings
and economic mobility. Expanding early childhood education has long been >> proven to improve long-term academic and social outcomes.
For civil rights, policies promoting racial justice, LGBTQ+ protections, and
reproductive rights aim to ensure equal treatment for all, leading to a
fairer, more inclusive society. Immigration reform would provide a path to >> citizenship for undocumented immigrants, with research showing that
integrating immigrants strengthens the economy.
Gun control measures like universal background checks and assault weapon bans
are supported by data linking them to lower rates of gun violence. Expanding
voting rights and strengthening unions have been shown to lead to greater >> civic participation and fairer wages, promoting equality across society. The
focus is on policies that create a healthier, fairer, and more just society
for all.
What do you think the right wing has to offer? Notice below you focus on >> feelings and maintain your unsupported accusations.
They are not the left.
The things I list above are ideas promoted by the left. And it counters your claims about feelings and about it just being about Trump. I have challenged you to share a similar list from the right.
You, of course, failed. As you note about yourself, the right tends to focus on emotion over evidence and equal rights.
On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:38:36áPM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <6712b93d$0$1895495$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
Why do you respond to facts you do not like but with nastiness instead of >> staying on topic?
Answer the question coward.
You failed to. I accept this makes you a coward.
On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:39:27áPM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <6712b96f$0$1895490$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <6712b653$1$3826$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14 AM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote
<veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
-hh wrote:The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus >>> of a demoturd.
And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
grossly under-represented.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than >>> previous 7 years: analysis
And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1%
higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported. >>
Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.
Bullshit. What is the excuse for todays prices?
DRILL BABY DRILL
Gas prices are currently high for several reasons. First, as economies bounce back from COVID-19, demand for oil has surged, while OPEC+ manages supply by sometimes restricting production, keeping prices elevated. Geopolitical tensions also play a role; the war in Ukraine has disrupted energy markets, especially with sanctions on Russia impacting global supply, and instability in other oil-producing regions adds to these concerns. Additionally, rising costs across various sectors, including transportation and labor, contribute to higher gas prices, as overall inflation affects energy costs. Seasonal maintenance or unplanned outages at refineries can limit gasoline production, further tightening supplies and increasing prices. The summer driving season also drives up demand as more travelers hit the road. Market speculation about
future oil supply and demand can lead to price increases as investors react to
these perceptions.
On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:30:24áPM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <6712c561$1$3620714$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <6712baa2$1$3834$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:39:27 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6712b96f$0$1895490$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <6712b653$1$3826$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 10:41:14 AM MST, "Pierre Delecto Romney" wrote
<veu6js$3ddiq$1@dont-email.me>:
-hh wrote:
10/08/2018: $2.903 --> that's in 2018 dollars
10/07/2024: $3.136 --> that's in 2024 dollars.
They spend the same regardless of which year Huntzy, you deceptive virus
of a demoturd.
And "inflation" as calculated by this paper printing giverment is
grossly under-represented.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/electricity-costs-soar-under-biden-administrationenergy-prices-soar-under-biden-administration/
Energy prices soar almost 30 percent under Biden ? 13 times faster than >>>>> previous 7 years: analysis
And gasoline prices, while down from their 2022 peak, are still 52.1% >>>>> higher today than when Biden took the White House, Fox Business reported.
The pandemic reduced demand. That reduced prices. Capitalism.
Add to that the war in Ukraine has impacted MANY prices.
Bullshit. What is the excuse for todays prices?
DRILL BABY DRILL
Gas prices are currently high for several reasons. First, as economies bounce
back from COVID-19, demand for oil has surged, while OPEC+ manages supply by
sometimes restricting production, keeping prices elevated. Geopolitical
tensions also play a role; the war in Ukraine has disrupted energy markets,
especially with sanctions on Russia impacting global supply, and instability
in other oil-producing regions adds to these concerns. Additionally, rising
costs across various sectors, including transportation and labor, contribute
to higher gas prices, as overall inflation affects energy costs. Seasonal >> maintenance or unplanned outages at refineries can limit gasoline production,
further tightening supplies and increasing prices. The summer driving season
also drives up demand as more travelers hit the road. Market speculation about
future oil supply and demand can lead to price increases as investors react to
these perceptions.
Whatever.
You do not care about the facts.
Now explain food prices.
Food prices are spiking for a bunch of reasons. First off, the pandemic really
messed up supply chains, making it more expensive and difficult to get food to
stores. Then you?ve got inflation pushing up the costs of production and transportation. Extreme weather, like droughts and floods, has also hit crop yields hard, and a lot of this can be tied to man-made climate change ? which Republican policies, resisting environmental regulations, just make worse. On top of that, the war in Ukraine is messing with global markets for essentials like wheat and sunflower oil.
But there?s also a labor shortage hitting the farming and food industries. A big part of this is tied to Trump?s focus on cutting back immigration, which reduced the available workforce for jobs like farm labor and food processing. Fewer workers mean higher costs, and that all adds up, making food prices climb even more.
On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:31:25áPM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <6712c59d$1$3620713$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <6712bae9$0$3620706$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:38:36 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6712b93d$0$1895495$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
Why do you respond to facts you do not like but with nastiness instead of
staying on topic?
Answer the question coward.
You failed to. I accept this makes you a coward.
You ignored this.
On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:31:45áPM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <6712c5b2$0$3620710$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <6712bbf7$3$3620703$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:41:37 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6712b9f2$1$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
I didn't even read it.
What you ran from -- you prefer ignorance:
I prefer facts.
This claim is contrary to the evidence.
Liberal policies are rooted in evidence-based approaches and a commitment to
equal rights, aiming for outcomes that benefit society as a whole. For
healthcare, they focus on universal access or the like which studies show >> leads to better health outcomes and lower costs.
On climate change, they look to scientific consensus that transitioning to >> renewable energy reduces carbon emissions and can create millions of jobs in
clean energy industries.
Economically, raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more are
supported by data showing they reduce income inequality and improve quality of
life for low- and middle-income workers.
In education, offering free public college and forgiving student loans are >> based on evidence that increasing access to education leads to higher earnings
and economic mobility. Expanding early childhood education has long been >> proven to improve long-term academic and social outcomes.
For civil rights, policies promoting racial justice, LGBTQ+ protections, and
reproductive rights aim to ensure equal treatment for all, leading to a
fairer, more inclusive society. Immigration reform would provide a path to >> citizenship for undocumented immigrants, with research showing that
integrating immigrants strengthens the economy.
Gun control measures like universal background checks and assault weapon bans
are supported by data linking them to lower rates of gun violence. Expanding
voting rights and strengthening unions have been shown to lead to greater >> civic participation and fairer wages, promoting equality across society. The
focus is on policies that create a healthier, fairer, and more just society
for all.
What do you think the right wing has to offer?
You have no answer for this.
bear evil fruit.
Then the problem is
Republicans have control.
On 10/18/24 12:16 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-18, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <vetij7$39q0d$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck. Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
Oh so you steal the "snowflake" from us and use it. Nothing original.
Typical libby.
They are good at stealing.
Nah, just showing how you can dish it out, but you can't take it back.
And using your own "Cry harder" slogan is only as insulting to you as
you intended for it to be to others.
Partial list:
On 10/18/24 11:15 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vetlf8$39sr8$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/18/24 7:59 AM, -hh wrote:
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
straight before you judge.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Oh, look: its even more than just colloquial.
From a 2021 report:
[quote]
?Guys? isn?t a gendered word anymore. It?s fine to use with everyone.
...
One of the problems with dismissing the word guys as inherently
masculine is that it assumes that the gendering of language is fixed ?
that the meaning we make of things now is the meaning they?ve always had >>> and always will. But clearly that?s not true. In fact, guys comes from
the burned effigies of England?s 17th-century would-be bomber Guy
Fawkes, which were called ?guys,? and then came to be applied to every
lowlife fellow, and eventually to males altogether. But by the middle of >>> the 20th century, women began using it too, as a generic, plural form of >>> ?you.? In other words, women themselves helped make ?guys? gender-neutral. >>>
[/quote]
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/07/guys-defense-gendered-etymology/>
TL;DR: you may live way in the boonies, but as per the above reporting, >>> you're a half century out of date. Please do try to keep up.
-hh
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck. Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
I made you respond to your own post. Obsessed much?
Nope: just leading by example ... again ... by preemptively showing
that I can back up what I say.
-hh
Snit wrote:
On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:56:28áPM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote <5mi5hjt408aatf6rpqejeh27c6uhifoq0j@4ax.com>:
On 17 Oct 2024 17:19:26 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 17, 2024 at 10:11:51?AM MST, "Skeeter" wroteThe US is the world's number one oil producer.
Snit wrote:
On Oct 17, 2024 at 9:31:09 AM MST, "-hh" wrote <snip>
And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why >>>>>> they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
and nuclear power construction.
I wish the US would do more here.
Drill baby drill.
We have the highest production ever. Try to learn what is going on. LOL! >>
https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/
Thanks.
who was that masked man
On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:46:52áPM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <6712c93d$0$1895505$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <6712c74d$0$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 1:31:45 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6712c5b2$0$3620710$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <6712bbf7$3$3620703$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 18, 2024 at 12:41:37 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6712b9f2$1$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
I didn't even read it.
What you ran from -- you prefer ignorance:
I prefer facts.
This claim is contrary to the evidence.
What claim?
Yours.
I don't read it because I know what I believe and that's good enough.
Liberal policies are rooted in evidence-based approaches and a commitment to
equal rights, aiming for outcomes that benefit society as a whole. For >>>> healthcare, they focus on universal access or the like which studies show
leads to better health outcomes and lower costs.
On climate change, they look to scientific consensus that transitioning to
renewable energy reduces carbon emissions and can create millions of jobs in
clean energy industries.
Economically, raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more are >>>> supported by data showing they reduce income inequality and improve quality of
life for low- and middle-income workers.
In education, offering free public college and forgiving student loans are
based on evidence that increasing access to education leads to higher earnings
and economic mobility. Expanding early childhood education has long been >>>> proven to improve long-term academic and social outcomes.
For civil rights, policies promoting racial justice, LGBTQ+ protections, and
reproductive rights aim to ensure equal treatment for all, leading to a >>>> fairer, more inclusive society. Immigration reform would provide a path to
citizenship for undocumented immigrants, with research showing that
integrating immigrants strengthens the economy.
Gun control measures like universal background checks and assault weapon bans
are supported by data linking them to lower rates of gun violence. Expanding
voting rights and strengthening unions have been shown to lead to greater
civic participation and fairer wages, promoting equality across society. The
focus is on policies that create a healthier, fairer, and more just society
for all.
What do you think the right wing has to offer?
You have no answer for this.
On 2024-10-18, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
On 10/18/24 11:15 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vetlf8$39sr8$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/18/24 7:59 AM, -hh wrote:
On 10/17/24 5:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vers8u$2squh$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit >>>>> straight before you judge.
On 10/17/24 4:26 PM, pothead wrote:
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.
I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.
Fun Fact:
Posts to a USENET forum are public, going out to all readers.
...and from a colloquial perspective, "guys" isn't gender specific.
Oh, look: its even more than just colloquial.
From a 2021 report:
[quote]
?Guys? isn?t a gendered word anymore. It?s fine to use with everyone.
...
One of the problems with dismissing the word guys as inherently
masculine is that it assumes that the gendering of language is fixed ? >>> that the meaning we make of things now is the meaning they?ve always had >>> and always will. But clearly that?s not true. In fact, guys comes from >>> the burned effigies of England?s 17th-century would-be bomber Guy
Fawkes, which were called ?guys,? and then came to be applied to every >>> lowlife fellow, and eventually to males altogether. But by the middle of >>> the 20th century, women began using it too, as a generic, plural form of >>> ?you.? In other words, women themselves helped make ?guys? gender-neutral.
[/quote]
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/07/guys-defense-gendered-etymology/>
TL;DR: you may live way in the boonies, but as per the above reporting, >>> you're a half century out of date. Please do try to keep up.
-hh
Jesus, you're a stupid fuck.á Cry harder, snowflake.
-hh
I made you respond to your own post. Obsessed much?
Nope: just leading by example ... again ... by preemptively showing
that I can back up what I say.
-hh
A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.
Point being the Constitution is arbitrary as well.
-hh wrote:
On 10/23/24 5:28 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfbkif$28gib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Or do you not know because you don't care, because you don't want to
actually follow longstanding US Law?
I don't want just anyone to enter. Do you support the gangs and raping
and killing?
If you don't want anyone to enter, then you're advocating for the
death of the USA, because we are a Nation of Immigrants,
The United States was never supposed to be.
But keep importing the Turd World subhumans who are incapable of
building or maintaining the things you take for granted.
and it has been those very same immigrants for the basis for why we've
been a great nation.
Peak America was before it was overwhelmed by post-1965 immigrants.
In article <vfebea$28eeo$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/23/24 5:28 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfbkif$28gib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/23/24 7:56 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfalgh$1lvf0$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/22/24 5:17 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf926l$1itmh$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/22/24 10:15 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf83ld$1f1j7$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/21/24 11:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf6vgd$15slb$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Because you don't care.
On 10/21/24 7:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
So that makes it ok? You idiot.
On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* yourOn 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.
Were you "in the navy" Huntzy? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.
Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh
Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is isOn the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump'sYou can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
Case in point:
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
They are going through some things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
territories like Bilhorod.
For the past year.
The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
be if he wins.
Bullshit.
Cite?
No wars when he was in office.
In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
Not a war.
Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That's the difference between Trump and Biden. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To end a war.
Yes.
And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
-hh
13 dead soldiers.
1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nope.
Then shut up about it.
I'm not the one who's been harping on those 13 casualties. >>>>>>>>>>>
<crickets>
Incorrect; it has been addressed elsewhere.
No matter. We are right here.
Elsewhere within this thread, as well as what followed below:
Can't be aresed to read all that propaganda.
YA "La, la, la ... I can't cope with facts which shake my worldview".
Huh? Are you drinking?
You've screamed "FAIL" without identifying any of the pre-operation >>>>>>> loss
parameters that they supposedly failed to meet. You've tried to imply >>>>>>>> that the pre-Op plan was for zero casualties, but you've not cited any >>>>>>>> documents which substantiate that.
Given how many troops die each year in non-combat, including during >>>>>>>> training operations, we know that the operational plan couldn't have >>>>>>>> been planning for zero losses.
Case in point:
"Across the Department of Defense, from 2006 to 2020, 5,605 service >>>>>>>> members were killed in training accidents. This represents 32% of all >>>>>>>> reported active-duty military deaths for that time period and is double
the percentage of troops killed in action."
<https://www.audacy.com/connectingvets/articles/how-many-troops-are-dying-in-training-accidents-and-why>
FYI, that's an average of 374 training deaths/year.
Oh, and that 4,231 deaths listed as "self-inflicted", those are >>>>>>>> essentially suicides: 282 per year, which is 5+ per week.
Blah blah, Joe fucked up.
So you're blowing off those who lost their lives in the Service while >>>>>> outside of direct combat operations ... how myopic & petty of you.
Joe blew them off.
The reality is that all levels of service have hazards where one's life >>>>>> is potentially on the line, because one needs to train as how one fights >>>>>> in order to be the most effective. A EA-18 Growler crew died last week >>>>>> and here you're a turd going "blah blah" belittling their Service.
I didn't belittle anything except Joe.
Untrue.
Nope. It's true.
No bail. I'm a liberal.I bet you wish you even knew what that meant.BUTWHATABOUT
Because I'm showing how you're so selectively pearl-clutching. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
It means you're hamming it up as a drama queen.
Is that what it means? What shithole do you live in?
<crickets>
Sorry, I missed reading that particular line. Are you trying to imply >>>>>>>> that I don't know contemporary English because I live in some backwater
someplace? If so, lead by example by telling us what allegedly >>>>>>>> non-shithole county you live in yourself, and just how that's relevant >>>>>>>> to knowledge of the English language in the USA. Good luck.
So you do live in a shithole.
Nope, I just pushed you to lead by example and you chose to bail & fail. >>>>>
Liberal...what?
By what you've been saying, its as a bullshitter & liar.
Bail
You certainly did.
Nope.
And it happened while upholding what Trump had obligated the USA to do
under the February 2020 Doha Accord.
Bullshit Joe fucked up. Even the "generals" said so. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Why the scare quotes around "generals"? Are these some of Trump's very
fake "But Sir!" (he said with a tear in his eye), or do you have actual
citations with names, dates, and quotes?
Plus when did these leaders first oppose? Back at the Doha Accord?
Because Doha was when the final ball was committed & put in motion.
I wasn't there.
Oh, so you now can't actually produce any of these "generals". Check!
Well they don't live here.
Oh, looks like I overlooked your weak deflection attempt here.
They don't.
They don't...what?
Live here. Try to keep up.
And just where is "here", Ivan? North Elbonia?
50 miles east.
50 miles east of North Elbonia?
Figure it our smarty.
Because you've whined about how you can't afford anything anymore, it
certainly isn't in any of these districts:
I didn't say that.
Sure did:
[quote]
"I couls afford to do stuff."
which you said that in context to your prior:
"I was better off when Trump was in office.
[/quote]
That's what pegged your complaint as being financially based.
I never said what you said I said up there.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States>
Do you mean that the people you're referring to aren't even American >>>>>> generals? Name them. And from a relevance standpoint, explain why you >>>>>> think they matter more to us than our own current American generals. >>>>>>Did I say they weren't American? No you did.
Incorrect, for I didn't constrain the which generals: I noted that
those who aren't American probably don't have relevance, so you'd better >>>> also include relevance if your generals aren't American ones.
It's top secret for eyes only.
Oh, like anyone's going to believe _that_ claim!
I don't care. You're not anyone.
Bottom line remains that you can't/won't actually name who this >>>>>>>> supposedly authoritative "generals" actually were. Shocking! /s >>>>>>>
Do you know their names? Why should I?
Because it was your unsubstantiated claim to support with facts.
Is that a rule?
It is longstanding USENET posting etiquette, rookie.
Etiquette left usent in the 90s. Look around. Usenet is dying.
Etiquette did take a hit after Eternal September (1993), but its not
been dead. Similarly, USENET readership didn't really decline until the
2000's after the rise of "Web 2.0" social media as an alternative.
Usenet sucks. It was way more exciting in the 90s.
What wars did he start?Yep.
This hh assclown is a massive idiot.
Congress never declared war during Vietnam.
Nor did Congress declare war for Korea. Yet you keep on trying to use
"not a war" pedantry to overlook Trump's military engagements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What wars did Biden start?
I never said he started any.
Then why did you ask what wars Trump started?
It's called a question dummy.
Hypocritical double-standard much?
No, a question.
<crickets>
A 'question' whose sole purpose was your attempt to defect.
So you can't answer. Ok then.
Incorrect, which is why you've now tried to move the goalposts to
failing to stop wars everywhere in the world.
I can't move goalposts by myself. To heavy.
It does. This is not debatable.Which includes 65 soldiers who died in Afghanistan during Trump.
Not a war.
Then by your own standard, Biden's 13 losses during the final evacuation
don't count either.
They are dead because of his fuck up. I know you don't care. Like >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hillary said about the troops that died at Benghazi. "at this point what
difference does it make?"
On the contrary: while you've been alluding to them being suckers and
losers (TM), I've cared enough to put their sacrifice into mission >>>>>>>>>>>> context of how many civilians were successfully rescued. Don't you
remember how I've posted a challenge to all comers to go identify any
equivalent military evacuation under fire to have had a better >>>>>>>>>>>> (casualty:rescue) ratio? Or is this another case of your selective
senility again?
What a load. People died because Joe fucked up.
If you think its BS, stop dodging and just simply prove me wrong. >>>>>>>>>>
Show us what other military evacuation under fire had a better ratio of
rescues vs losses: Afghanistan had 122,000 rescued for 13 losses, which
is a ratio of 9,385 saved for each loss. List all of those operations
which have been so vastly better executed that this one was a 'fuck up'.
Joe fucked up. This is settled.
Your saying so doesn't settle diddly squat. Cry harder, "Joe". >>>>>>>
Only in your dreams. Reality demands better.
That leaves you out.
So prove me wrong by showing everyone just what other military
evacuation under fire had a better ratio of rescues vs losses.
Who cares? They died because of Joe.
FYI, from the COLA archives:
"...if one wants to callously compare the two in terms of the >>>>>>>>>> ratio of successfully evacuated -vs- US lives lost, there were 4 deaths
in the Saigon airlift to save 7,000 people, so Vietnam's metric was >>>>>>>>>> 1750:1. In contrast, Afghanistan was 13 for 122,000 which is 9400:1 ...
5x better."
No one cares.
You care, which is why you keep on bleating that line, despite how >>>>>>>> you've been unable to actually prove your claim with operationally >>>>>>>> relevant comparative performance information.
Joe fucked up, that's all I need to know.
Only in your rabid dreams. Reality demands better.
Joe fucked up and now he's been booted.
<crickets>
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/gqTggM-UC_M/m/4Y9ynM54GQAJ>Joe fucked up.
Yeah, this challenge has been out there for losers to try to debunk >>>>>>>>>> since September 1, 2021 ... and not one blathermouth has succeeded. >>>>>>>>>
Whatever you say ... "Joe".
See? You agree.
"C'mon grandpa, its time for you to go back to bed."
Cute.
Trump didn't start any wars. What is so hard to figure out.None.Yes, Trump did certainly permit a lot of bad shit, including the ongoingWhat do they call it?
These libbys are fools.
As opposed to you two being hypocrite.
No wars caused by Trump.
So? What wars did Biden cause? Also zero, right?
I never said he did. But he sure allowed them to happen. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Mideast mess which centers around Iran's surrogates, which is on Trump
for pulling out of that nuclear deal.
BUTWHATABOUT TRUMP!
"No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons. >>>>>>>>>
Confession by "Joe Skeeter" that his attack attempt has backfired. >>>>>>>
What's so hard to figure out that Biden didn't start any wars either, so >>>>>> your claim has zero contrast to be relevant?
He allowed them to start.
And just which wars were these?
All of them.
Be specific, because if you're trying to refer to Israel/Hamas, that's a >>>> false claim because that conflict has been ongoing for decades.
Not like now.
So here's a list for you to show us specifically which wars originally >>>> started during Trump & Biden, so that you can point to these "new" ones >>>> which are still ongoing which in your opinion Biden should have intervened:
Good luck!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_2003?present#2020?2024>
I wont bother. Not worth the trouble trying to knock sense into a
liberal.
Because you know that I've already reviewed that list before I even
challenged you to find these supposedly "new" wars of Biden.
So you try to shield your fragile ego from being confronted with the
reality of truth by claiming that you don't want to pwn a libby.
But that doesn't change the truth that you're hiding yourself from.
I made you repeat yourself.None."No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons. >>>>>>>>>Why did Biden spend his first day signing off all Trumps EOs? He couldFor you're also being deliberately blind to how Trump failed to deliver
on his campaign promise to exit Afghanistan.
Joe fucked that up.
How could Biden have "fucked up" Trump's campaign promise to be out of
Afghanistan by the end of Trump's term? Be specific. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
have changed that too.
Why did Trump spend his first weeks signing off on EOs that undid >>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's works? FYI, one of these eliminated an SEC based fiduciary
responsibility on your Investment Broker when he gives you advice. >>>>>>>>>>>> This could be why you've been whining about not being as well off today.
and he runs from the question and a BUTWHATABOUT
Confession by "Joe Skeeter" that his attack attempt has backfired. >>>>>>>
You bitched that I didn't reply to every time you repeated yourself, and >>>>>> now you're bitching if I don't.
Cry a river.
You really are new to this huh?
Meantime, you're simply repeating empty, unsubstantiated claims: if >>>>>> your claims had means of material substantiation, you easily could have >>>>>> done so, instead of dodging.
Plus we know that Trump cancelled a bunch of Obama's stuff, so you'veWhy didn't he change the withdrawal then?
failed to show how Biden was in any way meaningfully different. >>>>>>>>>
<crickets>
Because you apparently didn't know that that it was moved back, from May >>>>>> to August, despite that action having a higher risk of escalation .. >>>>>> which is precisely what happened.
Joe fucked up.
But this still doesn't address the point that Skeeter is trying to avoid >>>>>> in the below, which was that Trump orders for a Dec 2020 pullout, but >>>>>> Trump then reversed that order. Care to come up with a better
explanation for why?
Why Joe fucked up? Ask him.
I've read the AAR. Have you?
No need. It was obvious.
But don't you think that the AAR is one of those things that those
conveniently unnamed 'generals' have reviewed before they opined? ;-)
Meantime, why did Trump keep on changing the rules for the processing of >>>> Afghan Special Immigrant Visas? FYI, that was ruled to have been
illegal ... back in 2019:
Tell me about that ISIS dude in Oklahoma that was supposedly vetted by
our FBI.
One guy ... out of a quarter million, plus he was caught beforehand.
Compared to the criminality rate baseline of US adult citizens, that's
vastly better: we can literally lower per capita crime in the USA by
increasing emigration from Afghanistan.
Plus anyone slipping through is attributable to how Trump screwed up the
system:
<https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-broke-law-visa-delays-afghans-iraqis-who-worked-n1057846>
...which you've not taken exception to.
You ignore the fact that he is somewhere everyday drawing crowds. Why doAlso note that Trump had issued orders to the Pentagon to be out by
December 2020, but then rescinded that order. Why didn't he keep his
campaign promise? Perhaps because he thinks his legacy would have been
one of someone who "runs away"? Or because since there hadn't been
adequate planning done, military losses then would've been even worse?
Cry a river. What does that have to do with now?
It illustrates how Trump could have met his campaign promise but >>>>>>>>>>>> chickened out. Trump is terrified to be ever be seen as weak, which is
why he's easily manipulated by that personality flaw.
He is speaking somewhere everyday. Twice today. Sorry but you have >>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
His speech: "You want fries with that?" /s
you ignore that?
Already did address it: Trump's team has reportedly been paying for >>>>>>>> people to attend rallies, but they get up and leave as soon as their >>>>>>>> Venmo accounts arrive. Perhaps that's why this past week Elon Musk has
added a $1M per day 'random' petition signers lottery prize.
Bullshit. I watch them all. You are telling a lie.
If true, then how many $1M checks has Elon handed out so far?
1? 2? 3? 4? 5?
I don't know. Not my circus.
So when you claimed that you've watched them all, are you lying or are >>>> you so senile that you've already forgotten what happened this week?
What happened? He was somewhere everyday, Sometimes twice a day. He
danced and he cooked fries. So what?
LOL, the fryer was stone cold.
FYI, the "customers" were fake too.
If you "watch them all", then you must have seen videos like this one: >>>>>>
<https://apnews.com/video/elon-musk-constitutions-donald-trump-donald-trump-es-pennsylvania-9b9df1e63b504028b1c03d99846736ea>
Edited videos?
Doesn't change what was shown in the clip.
So, did you know Kamala told Christians they were at the wrong rally?
They were hecklers.
Hecklers get kicked out of events, because they're hecklers, not because
of alleged religious affiliations.
Laughing at your bull isn't triggered. Stop lying.I'm not a liberal you non original halfwit.Nope, you just want to avoid it.And blind to how there were thousands of Trump-freed Taliban military
which contributed to the very deaths you're claiming to be so upset about.
But allowing crooks to cross the border and rape and kill is ok?
Oh, look: its yet another attempt to run & change the subject! >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Except for how I then confronted it head on, still quoted below: >>>>>>>>>>>>
Fun fact:
most crooks smuggling fentanyl across the border are US citizens.
Yea right.
Need cite? Here ya go, luzer:
<https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers>
and? I'm supposed to believe that? Besides no matter what color they are
they are still crossing illegally.
Of course *you* don't believe anything that goes against your beliefs.
But facts don't give a damn if your feelings get hurt, snowflake. >>>>>>>>>>>
Yet you've still been triggered: that's what makes you a snowflake. >>>>>>>>>
Still doesn't change the fact that many border crossers are requesting >>>>>>>> asylum which makes them a legal immigrant, and this has been the law in
the USA for the past 40+ years.
No, you pass at a legal crossing point.
Show us where in the law that's actually a legal requirement.
Here's the text of the Statute - just point out that specific line: >>>>>>
<https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf>
I used to live on the border and those are the rules....
Yet you still can't prove that it is a requirement in the law, by
quoting the specific line in the Statute. Goalpost move inbound!
You cross anywhere besides a legal point you are trespassing. How many
have you taken in?
Incorrect. One can make an arrest for trespassing, but that has nothing
to do with immigration status ... and you've still not pointed out where
within the law it supports your claim that it is disqualifying.
And personally, I've initiated detention on some .. but it was because
they were trespassing in a area closed to the public, not because of
what their citizenship happened to be.
Much of our border dilemma is due to decades of systemic under-funding
of the Judicial department who's responsible to process refugee claims,
primarily since the Refugee Act of 1980 (Public Law 96-212), which
amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Bull shit. Follow the fucking law.
This *is* following the law. Get a clue.
I explained. You choose to ignore.
LOL, your "explanation" was merely a partisan claim.
Go look it up yourself to see that it is the truth. I've already
On 10/24/24 5:44 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfebea$28eeo$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/23/24 5:28 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfbkif$28gib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Huh? Are you drinking?
On 10/23/24 7:56 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfalgh$1lvf0$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/22/24 5:17 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf926l$1itmh$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/22/24 10:15 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf83ld$1f1j7$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/21/24 11:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf6vgd$15slb$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Because you don't care.
On 10/21/24 7:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
So that makes it ok? You idiot.
On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32áPM MST, "Skeeter" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* yourOn 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.
Were you "in the navy" Huntzy? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.
Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh
Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is isOn the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump'sYou can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.
And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
Case in point:
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
They are going through some things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
territories like Bilhorod. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the past year.
The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
be if he wins.
Bullshit.
Cite?
No wars when he was in office.
In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
Not a war.
Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That's the difference between Trump and Biden. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To end a war.
Yes.
And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
-hh
13 dead soldiers.
1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nope.
Then shut up about it.
I'm not the one who's been harping on those 13 casualties. >>>>>>>>>>>
<crickets>
Incorrect; it has been addressed elsewhere.
No matter. We are right here.
Elsewhere within this thread, as well as what followed below:
Can't be aresed to read all that propaganda.
YA "La, la, la ... I can't cope with facts which shake my worldview". >>>
Joe blew them off.You've screamed "FAIL" without identifying any of the pre-operation >>>>>>> loss
parameters that they supposedly failed to meet. You've tried to imply
that the pre-Op plan was for zero casualties, but you've not cited any
documents which substantiate that.
Given how many troops die each year in non-combat, including during >>>>>>>> training operations, we know that the operational plan couldn't have >>>>>>>> been planning for zero losses.
Case in point:
"Across the Department of Defense, from 2006 to 2020, 5,605 service >>>>>>>> members were killed in training accidents. This represents 32% of all
reported active-duty military deaths for that time period and is double
the percentage of troops killed in action."
<https://www.audacy.com/connectingvets/articles/how-many-troops-are-dying-in-training-accidents-and-why>
FYI, that's an average of 374 training deaths/year.
Oh, and that 4,231 deaths listed as "self-inflicted", those are >>>>>>>> essentially suicides: 282 per year, which is 5+ per week.
Blah blah, Joe fucked up.
So you're blowing off those who lost their lives in the Service while >>>>>> outside of direct combat operations ... how myopic & petty of you. >>>>>
I didn't belittle anything except Joe.
The reality is that all levels of service have hazards where one's life
is potentially on the line, because one needs to train as how one fights
in order to be the most effective. A EA-18 Growler crew died last week >>>>>> and here you're a turd going "blah blah" belittling their Service. >>>>>
Untrue.
Nope. It's true.
I bet you wish you even knew what that meant.BUTWHATABOUT
Because I'm showing how you're so selectively pearl-clutching. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
It means you're hamming it up as a drama queen.
Is that what it means? What shithole do you live in?
<crickets>
Sorry, I missed reading that particular line. Are you trying to imply
that I don't know contemporary English because I live in some backwater
someplace? If so, lead by example by telling us what allegedly >>>>>>>> non-shithole county you live in yourself, and just how that's relevant
to knowledge of the English language in the USA. Good luck.
So you do live in a shithole.
Nope, I just pushed you to lead by example and you chose to bail & fail.
No bail. I'm a liberal.
Liberal...what?
By what you've been saying, its as a bullshitter & liar.
Bail
You certainly did.
Nope.
They don't.And it happened while upholding what Trump had obligated the USA to do
under the February 2020 Doha Accord.
Bullshit Joe fucked up. Even the "generals" said so. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Why the scare quotes around "generals"? Are these some of Trump's very
fake "But Sir!" (he said with a tear in his eye), or do you have actual
citations with names, dates, and quotes?
Plus when did these leaders first oppose? Back at the Doha Accord?
Because Doha was when the final ball was committed & put in motion.
I wasn't there.
Oh, so you now can't actually produce any of these "generals". Check!
Well they don't live here.
Oh, looks like I overlooked your weak deflection attempt here. >>>>>>>
They don't...what?
Live here. Try to keep up.
And just where is "here", Ivan? North Elbonia?
50 miles east.
50 miles east of North Elbonia?
Figure it our smarty.
Because you've whined about how you can't afford anything anymore, it >>>> certainly isn't in any of these districts:
I didn't say that.
Sure did:
[quote]
"I couls afford to do stuff."
which you said that in context to your prior:
"I was better off when Trump was in office.
[/quote]
That's what pegged your complaint as being financially based.
I never said what you said I said up there.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States>
Do you mean that the people you're referring to aren't even American >>>>>> generals? Name them. And from a relevance standpoint, explain why youDid I say they weren't American? No you did.
think they matter more to us than our own current American generals. >>>>>>
Incorrect, for I didn't constrain the which generals: I noted that
those who aren't American probably don't have relevance, so you'd better >>>> also include relevance if your generals aren't American ones.
It's top secret for eyes only.
Oh, like anyone's going to believe _that_ claim!
I don't care. You're not anyone.
Bottom line remains that you can't/won't actually name who this >>>>>>>> supposedly authoritative "generals" actually were. Shocking! /s >>>>>>>
Do you know their names? Why should I?
Because it was your unsubstantiated claim to support with facts.
Is that a rule?
It is longstanding USENET posting etiquette, rookie.
Etiquette left usent in the 90s. Look around. Usenet is dying.
Etiquette did take a hit after Eternal September (1993), but its not
been dead. Similarly, USENET readership didn't really decline until the >> 2000's after the rise of "Web 2.0" social media as an alternative.
Usenet sucks. It was way more exciting in the 90s.
Yet you're still here. Bleating & whining like all MAGAs do.
-hh
Yep.Nor did Congress declare war for Korea. Yet you keep on trying to use
This hh assclown is a massive idiot.
Congress never declared war during Vietnam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"not a war" pedantry to overlook Trump's military engagements.
What wars did he start?
What wars did Biden start?
I never said he started any.
Then why did you ask what wars Trump started?
It's called a question dummy.
Hypocritical double-standard much?
No, a question.
<crickets>
A 'question' whose sole purpose was your attempt to defect.
So you can't answer. Ok then.
Incorrect, which is why you've now tried to move the goalposts to
failing to stop wars everywhere in the world.
I can't move goalposts by myself. To heavy.
It does. This is not debatable.Which includes 65 soldiers who died in Afghanistan during Trump.
Not a war.
Then by your own standard, Biden's 13 losses during the final evacuation
don't count either.
They are dead because of his fuck up. I know you don't care. Like
Hillary said about the troops that died at Benghazi. "at this point what
difference does it make?"
On the contrary: while you've been alluding to them being suckers and
losers (TM), I've cared enough to put their sacrifice into mission
context of how many civilians were successfully rescued. Don't you
remember how I've posted a challenge to all comers to go identify any
equivalent military evacuation under fire to have had a better >>>>>>>>>>>> (casualty:rescue) ratio? Or is this another case of your selective
senility again?
What a load. People died because Joe fucked up.
If you think its BS, stop dodging and just simply prove me wrong. >>>>>>>>>>
Show us what other military evacuation under fire had a better ratio of
rescues vs losses: Afghanistan had 122,000 rescued for 13 losses, which
is a ratio of 9,385 saved for each loss. List all of those operations
which have been so vastly better executed that this one was a 'fuck up'.
Joe fucked up. This is settled.
Your saying so doesn't settle diddly squat. Cry harder, "Joe". >>>>>>>
Only in your dreams. Reality demands better.
That leaves you out.
So prove me wrong by showing everyone just what other military
evacuation under fire had a better ratio of rescues vs losses.
Who cares? They died because of Joe.
FYI, from the COLA archives:
"...if one wants to callously compare the two in terms of the >>>>>>>>>> ratio of successfully evacuated -vs- US lives lost, there were 4 deaths
in the Saigon airlift to save 7,000 people, so Vietnam's metric was
1750:1. In contrast, Afghanistan was 13 for 122,000 which is 9400:1 ...
5x better."
No one cares.
You care, which is why you keep on bleating that line, despite how >>>>>>>> you've been unable to actually prove your claim with operationally >>>>>>>> relevant comparative performance information.
Joe fucked up, that's all I need to know.
Only in your rabid dreams. Reality demands better.
Joe fucked up and now he's been booted.
<crickets>
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/gqTggM-UC_M/m/4Y9ynM54GQAJ>
Yeah, this challenge has been out there for losers to try to debunk
since September 1, 2021 ... and not one blathermouth has succeeded.
Joe fucked up.
Whatever you say ... "Joe".
See? You agree.
"C'mon grandpa, its time for you to go back to bed."
Cute.
Trump didn't start any wars. What is so hard to figure out.None.Yes, Trump did certainly permit a lot of bad shit, including the ongoingI never said he did. But he sure allowed them to happen. >>>>>>>>>>>>What do they call it?
These libbys are fools.
As opposed to you two being hypocrite.
No wars caused by Trump.
So? What wars did Biden cause? Also zero, right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mideast mess which centers around Iran's surrogates, which is on Trump
for pulling out of that nuclear deal.
BUTWHATABOUT TRUMP!
"No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons. >>>>>>>>>
Confession by "Joe Skeeter" that his attack attempt has backfired. >>>>>>>
What's so hard to figure out that Biden didn't start any wars either, so
your claim has zero contrast to be relevant?
He allowed them to start.
And just which wars were these?
All of them.
Be specific, because if you're trying to refer to Israel/Hamas, that's a >>>> false claim because that conflict has been ongoing for decades.
Not like now.
So here's a list for you to show us specifically which wars originally >>>> started during Trump & Biden, so that you can point to these "new" ones >>>> which are still ongoing which in your opinion Biden should have intervened:
Good luck!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_2003?present#2020?2024>
I wont bother. Not worth the trouble trying to knock sense into a
liberal.
Because you know that I've already reviewed that list before I even
challenged you to find these supposedly "new" wars of Biden.
So you try to shield your fragile ego from being confronted with the
reality of truth by claiming that you don't want to pwn a libby.
But that doesn't change the truth that you're hiding yourself from.
I made you repeat yourself.None."No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons. >>>>>>>>>Why did Biden spend his first day signing off all Trumps EOs? He couldFor you're also being deliberately blind to how Trump failed to deliver
on his campaign promise to exit Afghanistan.
Joe fucked that up.
How could Biden have "fucked up" Trump's campaign promise to be out of
Afghanistan by the end of Trump's term? Be specific. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
have changed that too.
Why did Trump spend his first weeks signing off on EOs that undid
Obama's works? FYI, one of these eliminated an SEC based fiduciary
responsibility on your Investment Broker when he gives you advice.
This could be why you've been whining about not being as well off today.
and he runs from the question and a BUTWHATABOUT
Confession by "Joe Skeeter" that his attack attempt has backfired. >>>>>>>
You bitched that I didn't reply to every time you repeated yourself, and
now you're bitching if I don't.
Cry a river.
You really are new to this huh?
Meantime, you're simply repeating empty, unsubstantiated claims: if >>>>>> your claims had means of material substantiation, you easily could have
done so, instead of dodging.
Plus we know that Trump cancelled a bunch of Obama's stuff, so you'veWhy didn't he change the withdrawal then?
failed to show how Biden was in any way meaningfully different. >>>>>>>>>
<crickets>
Because you apparently didn't know that that it was moved back, from May
to August, despite that action having a higher risk of escalation .. >>>>>> which is precisely what happened.
Joe fucked up.
But this still doesn't address the point that Skeeter is trying to avoid
in the below, which was that Trump orders for a Dec 2020 pullout, but >>>>>> Trump then reversed that order. Care to come up with a better
explanation for why?
Why Joe fucked up? Ask him.
I've read the AAR. Have you?
No need. It was obvious.
But don't you think that the AAR is one of those things that those
conveniently unnamed 'generals' have reviewed before they opined? ;-)
Meantime, why did Trump keep on changing the rules for the processing of >>>> Afghan Special Immigrant Visas? FYI, that was ruled to have been
illegal ... back in 2019:
Tell me about that ISIS dude in Oklahoma that was supposedly vetted by >>> our FBI.
One guy ... out of a quarter million, plus he was caught beforehand.
Compared to the criminality rate baseline of US adult citizens, that's
vastly better: we can literally lower per capita crime in the USA by
increasing emigration from Afghanistan.
Plus anyone slipping through is attributable to how Trump screwed up the >> system:
<https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-broke-law-visa-delays-afghans-iraqis-who-worked-n1057846>
...which you've not taken exception to.
You ignore the fact that he is somewhere everyday drawing crowds. Why doAlso note that Trump had issued orders to the Pentagon to be out by
December 2020, but then rescinded that order. Why didn't he keep his
campaign promise? Perhaps because he thinks his legacy would have been
one of someone who "runs away"? Or because since there hadn't been
adequate planning done, military losses then would've been even worse?
Cry a river. What does that have to do with now?
It illustrates how Trump could have met his campaign promise but >>>>>>>>>>>> chickened out. Trump is terrified to be ever be seen as weak, which is
why he's easily manipulated by that personality flaw. >>>>>>>>>>>
He is speaking somewhere everyday. Twice today. Sorry but you have
nothing.
His speech: "You want fries with that?" /s
you ignore that?
Already did address it: Trump's team has reportedly been paying for >>>>>>>> people to attend rallies, but they get up and leave as soon as their >>>>>>>> Venmo accounts arrive. Perhaps that's why this past week Elon Musk has
added a $1M per day 'random' petition signers lottery prize.
Bullshit. I watch them all. You are telling a lie.
If true, then how many $1M checks has Elon handed out so far?
1? 2? 3? 4? 5?
I don't know. Not my circus.
So when you claimed that you've watched them all, are you lying or are >>>> you so senile that you've already forgotten what happened this week?
What happened? He was somewhere everyday, Sometimes twice a day. He
danced and he cooked fries. So what?
LOL, the fryer was stone cold.
FYI, the "customers" were fake too.
If you "watch them all", then you must have seen videos like this one: >>>>>>
<https://apnews.com/video/elon-musk-constitutions-donald-trump-donald-trump-es-pennsylvania-9b9df1e63b504028b1c03d99846736ea>
Edited videos?
Doesn't change what was shown in the clip.
So, did you know Kamala told Christians they were at the wrong rally?
They were hecklers.
Hecklers get kicked out of events, because they're hecklers, not because >> of alleged religious affiliations.
And blind to how there were thousands of Trump-freed Taliban military
which contributed to the very deaths you're claiming to be so upset about.
But allowing crooks to cross the border and rape and kill is ok?
Oh, look: its yet another attempt to run & change the subject!
Nope, you just want to avoid it.
Except for how I then confronted it head on, still quoted below: >>>>>>>>>>>>
Fun fact:
most crooks smuggling fentanyl across the border are US citizens.
Yea right.
Need cite? Here ya go, luzer:
<https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers>
and? I'm supposed to believe that? Besides no matter what color they are
they are still crossing illegally.
Of course *you* don't believe anything that goes against your beliefs.
But facts don't give a damn if your feelings get hurt, snowflake.
I'm not a liberal you non original halfwit.
Yet you've still been triggered: that's what makes you a snowflake.
Laughing at your bull isn't triggered. Stop lying.
Still doesn't change the fact that many border crossers are requesting
asylum which makes them a legal immigrant, and this has been the law in
the USA for the past 40+ years.
No, you pass at a legal crossing point.
On 10/24/2024 7:54 PM, Anonymous wrote:
-hh wrote:It was. The people who *founded* the United States were immigrants or descended
On 10/23/24 5:28 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfbkif$28gib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Or do you not know because you don't care, because you don't want to >>>>> actually follow longstanding US Law?
I don't want just anyone to enter. Do you support the gangs and raping >>>> and killing?
If you don't want anyone to enter, then you're advocating for the death of >>> the USA, because we are a Nation of Immigrants,
The United States was never supposed to be.
from immigrants.
On 10/24/24 10:54 PM, Anonymous wrote:
-hh wrote:
On 10/23/24 5:28 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfbkif$28gib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
Or do you not know because you don't care, because you don't want to >>>>> actually follow longstanding US Law?
I don't want just anyone to enter. Do you support the gangs and raping >>>> and killing?
If you don't want anyone to enter, then you're advocating for the death of >>> the USA, because we are a Nation of Immigrants,
The United States was never supposed to be.
I disagree, but things also change over time: US used to allow slavery and denied women rights, but these have both changed for the better.
But keep importing the Turd World subhumans who are incapable of building or >> maintaining the things you take for granted.
When you claim "building", do you mean like 80% of our housing construction?
Or are you referring to how Trump hired illegal immigrants as scabs instead of
US Union labor during his development of Trump Tower in NYC?
And for "maintaining", are you referring to cleaning services, or does back of
house food services count? Or both?
If we were to deport all the illegals like Trump is claiming, the good news is
that Inflation would drop by -1.5% ... but the bad news is that our GDP would also drop, by a whopping -7.9%, as per Bloomberg.
FYI, his proposed tariffs policy would hit you personally too: +0.5% higher inflation, plus dropping GDP by an additional -1.3%. Together, those policy proposals add up to -1% on Inflation and -9.2% on GDP.
and it has been those very same immigrants for the basis for why we've been a
great nation.
Peak America was before it was overwhelmed by post-1965 immigrants.
Well, if you want to go back to pre-65, then the US-Mexico border literally becomes open, as in that period, the US allowed in unlimited labor from Central
& South America.
Plus you're also historically wrong: peak per capita immigration into the USA
was just over 100 years ago, largely from Europe: if we had the same rate of
immigrants today, we'd be letting in ~5 million/year.
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
You ignored this. Why?
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded. >>> Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
On Oct 29, 2024 at 1:13:01áPM MST, "%" wrote <UKKcnQVms-tT3Lz6nZ2dnZfqnPoAAAAA@giganews.com>:
Snit wrote:
On Oct 29, 2024 at 12:40:36áPM MST, "%" wrotei think he'll know some of it
<joicnTitJ_Gop7z6nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com>:
Snit wrote:
On Oct 29, 2024 at 12:24:38áPM MST, "Governor Swill" wroteskeeter is going to see this
<oid2ij907fb1ukhq9c6ia2l6fuu3acr1iu@4ax.com>:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...You ignored this. Why?
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
It clearly does.
But not understand.
He will pretend to.
On Oct 29, 2024 at 12:40:36áPM MST, "%" wrote <joicnTitJ_Gop7z6nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com>:
Snit wrote:
On Oct 29, 2024 at 12:24:38áPM MST, "Governor Swill" wroteskeeter is going to see this
<oid2ij907fb1ukhq9c6ia2l6fuu3acr1iu@4ax.com>:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
You ignored this. Why?
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
It clearly does.
But not understand.
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
You ignored this. Why?
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes < $360K/year, which is delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
On Oct 29, 2024 at 12:24:38áPM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote <oid2ij907fb1ukhq9c6ia2l6fuu3acr1iu@4ax.com>:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
You ignored this. Why?
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
It clearly does.
On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:29:19áAM MST, "-hh" wrote <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>:
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
You ignored this. Why?
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is> delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>
-hh
Excellent info. Thanks.
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote <672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
You ignored this. Why?
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high >> costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk, >> as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is> >> delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
You ignored this. Why?
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high >> >> costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk, >> >> as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals. >> >>
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is> >> >> delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both.
You ignored this. Why?
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high >>>> costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial >>>> interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk, >>>> as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals. >>>>
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is> >>>> delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...You ignored this. Why?
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high >>>> costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial >>>> interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly, >>>> its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk, >>>> as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals. >>>>
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is> >>>> delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped.
Oops.
-hh
In article <vfvvaq$2msv2$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/31/24 7:35 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfujl7$2cc3t$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 4:42 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:He has worked hard to lose.
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...You ignored this. Why?
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses. >>>>>>>>>>>>
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter. >>>>>>>>>>>
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their >>>>>>>>>> daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their >>>>>>>>>> personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation. >>>>>>>>>>
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their >>>>>>>>>> local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to >>>>>>> do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped. >>>>>> Oops.
-hh
Did it mention Trump?
Yes, of course it listed Trump's tax plan too.
In fact, Trump's tax plan numbers are still quoted above.
They show that his plan is to screw everyone who earns <$360,000/year
with higher taxes, to create yet another tax cut for the richest 1%.
FYI, here's the original cite again, so that you can snip it again as
you pretend that you didn't see or read it:
<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>
In the meantime, start tightening your belt for when Trump's 2017 TCJA >>>> rates expire 14 months from now, because no matter how hard you may try >>>> to blame that hike on anyone else, the GOP & Trump own absolutely 100% >>>> of this 3-4% hike in marginal income tax rates.
Oh, and your Standard Deduction allowance? It will be cut in half too, >>>> from roughly $30K MFJ to $15K...and once again, that's 100% GOP+Trump.
Sudden change of subject incoming:
Did you see him riding in the garbage truck?
"In fairness, it?s not really a Trump garbage truck until it?s on fire."
- George Takei
<https://x.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1851784660436627522>
So who cares what that moron thinks?
On 10/31/24 9:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfvvaq$2msv2$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/31/24 7:35 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfujl7$2cc3t$1@dont-email.me>,Sudden change of subject incoming:
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 4:42 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:He has worked hard to lose.
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,You ignored this. Why?
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses. >>>>>>>>>>>>
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter. >>>>>>>>>>>
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation. >>>>>>>>>>
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped. >>>>>> Oops.
-hh
Did it mention Trump?
Yes, of course it listed Trump's tax plan too.
In fact, Trump's tax plan numbers are still quoted above.
They show that his plan is to screw everyone who earns <$360,000/year >>>> with higher taxes, to create yet another tax cut for the richest 1%. >>>>
FYI, here's the original cite again, so that you can snip it again as >>>> you pretend that you didn't see or read it:
<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>
In the meantime, start tightening your belt for when Trump's 2017 TCJA >>>> rates expire 14 months from now, because no matter how hard you may try >>>> to blame that hike on anyone else, the GOP & Trump own absolutely 100% >>>> of this 3-4% hike in marginal income tax rates.
Oh, and your Standard Deduction allowance? It will be cut in half too, >>>> from roughly $30K MFJ to $15K...and once again, that's 100% GOP+Trump. >>
Did you see him riding in the garbage truck?
"In fairness, it?s not really a Trump garbage truck until it?s on fire." >> - George Takei
<https://x.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1851784660436627522>
So who cares what that moron thinks?
You do, by responding.
FYI, you'll probably try to make the same claim about Ann Selzer too.
-hh
In article <vg8ff0$3rp4f$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/31/24 9:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfvvaq$2msv2$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/31/24 7:35 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfujl7$2cc3t$1@dont-email.me>,Sudden change of subject incoming:
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 4:42 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:He has worked hard to lose.
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,You ignored this. Why?
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation. >>>>>>>>>>>>
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped. >>>>>>>> Oops.
-hh
Did it mention Trump?
Yes, of course it listed Trump's tax plan too.
In fact, Trump's tax plan numbers are still quoted above.
They show that his plan is to screw everyone who earns <$360,000/year >>>>>> with higher taxes, to create yet another tax cut for the richest 1%. >>>>>>
FYI, here's the original cite again, so that you can snip it again as >>>>>> you pretend that you didn't see or read it:
<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>
In the meantime, start tightening your belt for when Trump's 2017 TCJA >>>>>> rates expire 14 months from now, because no matter how hard you may try >>>>>> to blame that hike on anyone else, the GOP & Trump own absolutely 100% >>>>>> of this 3-4% hike in marginal income tax rates.
Oh, and your Standard Deduction allowance? It will be cut in half too, >>>>>> from roughly $30K MFJ to $15K...and once again, that's 100% GOP+Trump. >>>>
Did you see him riding in the garbage truck?
"In fairness, it?s not really a Trump garbage truck until it?s on fire." >>>> - George Takei
<https://x.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1851784660436627522>
So who cares what that moron thinks?
You do, by responding.
FYI, you'll probably try to make the same claim about Ann Selzer too.
-hh
I don't care what any of them think.
On 11/4/24 6:55 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vg8ff0$3rp4f$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/31/24 9:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfvvaq$2msv2$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/31/24 7:35 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfujl7$2cc3t$1@dont-email.me>,Sudden change of subject incoming:
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 4:42 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:He has worked hard to lose.
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,You ignored this. Why?
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter.
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their
daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their
personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation. >>>>>>>>>>>>
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their
local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped. >>>>>>>> Oops.
-hh
Did it mention Trump?
Yes, of course it listed Trump's tax plan too.
In fact, Trump's tax plan numbers are still quoted above.
They show that his plan is to screw everyone who earns <$360,000/year >>>>>> with higher taxes, to create yet another tax cut for the richest 1%. >>>>>>
FYI, here's the original cite again, so that you can snip it again as >>>>>> you pretend that you didn't see or read it:
<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>
In the meantime, start tightening your belt for when Trump's 2017 TCJA >>>>>> rates expire 14 months from now, because no matter how hard you may try
to blame that hike on anyone else, the GOP & Trump own absolutely 100% >>>>>> of this 3-4% hike in marginal income tax rates.
Oh, and your Standard Deduction allowance? It will be cut in half too,
from roughly $30K MFJ to $15K...and once again, that's 100% GOP+Trump. >>>>
Did you see him riding in the garbage truck?
"In fairness, it?s not really a Trump garbage truck until it?s on fire." >>>> - George Takei
<https://x.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1851784660436627522>
So who cares what that moron thinks?
You do, by responding.
FYI, you'll probably try to make the same claim about Ann Selzer too.
-hh
I don't care what any of them think.
...as if you actually knew who I was referring to! /s
-hh
In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...You ignored this. Why?
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses.
He has worked hard to lose.
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter. >>>>>>>
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high >>>>>> costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial >>>>>> interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their >>>>>> daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly, >>>>>> its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their >>>>>> personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk, >>>>>> as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their >>>>>> local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals. >>>>>>
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is> >>>>>> delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to
do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped.
Oops.
-hh
Did it mention Trump?
On 10/30/24 4:42 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:He has worked hard to lose.
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...You ignored this. Why?
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses. >>>>>>>>
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter. >>>>>>>
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial >>>>>> interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their >>>>>> daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly, >>>>>> its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their >>>>>> personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation.
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their >>>>>> local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to >>> do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped.
Oops.
-hh
Did it mention Trump?
Yes, of course it listed Trump's tax plan too.
In fact, Trump's tax plan numbers are still quoted above.
They show that his plan is to screw everyone who earns <$360,000/year
with higher taxes, to create yet another tax cut for the richest 1%.
FYI, here's the original cite again, so that you can snip it again as
you pretend that you didn't see or read it:
<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>
In the meantime, start tightening your belt for when Trump's 2017 TCJA
rates expire 14 months from now, because no matter how hard you may try
to blame that hike on anyone else, the GOP & Trump own absolutely 100%
of this 3-4% hike in marginal income tax rates.
Oh, and your Standard Deduction allowance? It will be cut in half too,
from roughly $30K MFJ to $15K...and once again, that's 100% GOP+Trump.
In article <vfujl7$2cc3t$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 4:42 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:He has worked hard to lose.
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...You ignored this. Why?
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses. >>>>>>>>>>
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter. >>>>>>>>>
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial >>>>>>>> interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their >>>>>>>> daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly, >>>>>>>> its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their >>>>>>>> personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation. >>>>>>>>
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their >>>>>>>> local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to >>>>> do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped.
Oops.
-hh
Did it mention Trump?
Yes, of course it listed Trump's tax plan too.
In fact, Trump's tax plan numbers are still quoted above.
They show that his plan is to screw everyone who earns <$360,000/year
with higher taxes, to create yet another tax cut for the richest 1%.
FYI, here's the original cite again, so that you can snip it again as
you pretend that you didn't see or read it:
<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>
In the meantime, start tightening your belt for when Trump's 2017 TCJA
rates expire 14 months from now, because no matter how hard you may try
to blame that hike on anyone else, the GOP & Trump own absolutely 100%
of this 3-4% hike in marginal income tax rates.
Oh, and your Standard Deduction allowance? It will be cut in half too,
from roughly $30K MFJ to $15K...and once again, that's 100% GOP+Trump.
Did you see him riding in the garbage truck?
On 10/31/24 7:35 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfujl7$2cc3t$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 4:42 PM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vfu3mu$29vib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/30/24 10:16 AM, Skeeter wrote:
In article <6722379b$1$3831$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Oct 30, 2024 at 6:35:23áAM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<672235dc$3$2759$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
In article <vft8qv$24m7f$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 10/29/24 3:24 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On 28 Oct 2024 03:47:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 27, 2024 at 7:14:36?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>> <9rsthj14u46vm4poubr96d3rn5gpk3mknv@4ax.com>:
On 27 Oct 2024 01:16:48 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:He has worked hard to lose.
On Oct 26, 2024 at 6:10:02?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <fm4rhj9p7228g1anhf6onfg8fsv9i8puvh@4ax.com>:
On 26 Oct 2024 14:25:51 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2024 at 7:14:39?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <671cf94f$6$1895492$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In article <671cf83a$1$2385542$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...You ignored this. Why?
On Oct 25, 2024 at 10:23:42 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <06vohj1lg3ub79rsedmdo97cr3bp6h9aln@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:38:57 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
#nevertrump
People can pick Trump or America. You cannot have both. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because he has me killfiled.
But he saw my post.
But it was something in quotes in your post so he wouldn't have responded.
Certainly he's not going to respond to me. He always loses. >>>>>>>>>>
You'd think losing would come naturally to a luzer like Skeeter. >>>>>>>>>
Certainly seems that way. It is ironic to see folks complain about high
costs who nevertheless then choose to vote against their own financial
interests by supporting the candidate who's promised to raise their >>>>>>>> daily living costs *and* to raise their personal income taxes. Golly,
its almost as if their true motivation has nothing to do with their >>>>>>>> personal finances but something else (eg, bigotry).
And for receipts:
Higher daily living costs = due to Tariffs, labor deportation. >>>>>>>>
FYI, the latter is being projected to at least double the price of milk,
as major shortages are expected because in some dairy states, their >>>>>>>> local councils have estimated that 80% of their workforce are illegals.
Higher taxes = average of +$1200/year for incomes <$360K/year, which is>
delineated as follows:
Income ---- taxes
$0 to $28.6K: +4.9%
$28.6-$55.1K: +3.6%
$55.1K-$94.1K: +2.5%
$94.1K-$157.5: +2.0%
$157.5-$360K: +0.8%
$360K-$914K: -1.2%
Above $914K: -1.4%
I'm not voting blue so no worries.
You want bigotry over self interest. Sure.
Same old parroted bullshit. Anything original? What is Harris going to >>>>> do? Maybe you know because she doesn't seem to.
Harris's plan was delineated in the citation ... that you snipped.
Oops.
-hh
Did it mention Trump?
Yes, of course it listed Trump's tax plan too.
In fact, Trump's tax plan numbers are still quoted above.
They show that his plan is to screw everyone who earns <$360,000/year
with higher taxes, to create yet another tax cut for the richest 1%.
FYI, here's the original cite again, so that you can snip it again as
you pretend that you didn't see or read it:
<https://itep.org/kamala-harris-donald-trump-tax-plans/>
In the meantime, start tightening your belt for when Trump's 2017 TCJA
rates expire 14 months from now, because no matter how hard you may try
to blame that hike on anyone else, the GOP & Trump own absolutely 100%
of this 3-4% hike in marginal income tax rates.
Oh, and your Standard Deduction allowance? It will be cut in half too,
from roughly $30K MFJ to $15K...and once again, that's 100% GOP+Trump.
Sudden change of subject incoming:
Did you see him riding in the garbage truck?
"In fairness, it?s not really a Trump garbage truck until it?s on fire."
- George Takei
<https://x.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1851784660436627522>
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On 31 Oct 2024 21:03:38 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:17:43?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >><fep7ijddvdk23qum4dhdac27nqsf22r91a@4ax.com>:
On 31 Oct 2024 01:07:56 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:12:25?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<aqi5ij9b00r1j4btouk4ev7ubreh4it2e0@4ax.com>:
On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>I am noting huge challenges -- things that the MAGA crowd has added to. >>>>
We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life
expectancy, increased economic inequality, increased political
polarization, continued issues with basic health care, poorly funded >>>>>> public eduction, infrastructure decay, increase in mental health issues >>>>>> and substance abuse, reduced connection between productivity and
financial gain, etc. We have a lot of growing issues and for many of >>>>>> them we can see that the American public as a whole has decent ideas on >>>>>> how to handle these things.
Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican. >>>>
I think as a country we can tackle all of those. Will we ever reach
perfection? Of course not. But we can improve.
Of course we can, but not with MAGAs and their Nazi friends.
Sadly you largely repeat yourself.
But even when you include MAGA/Nazi types, the polls show the people >>*generally* want things the left champions.
That's what surprises me so much. When you poll strictly on issues and solutions, the electorate comes down on the Democratic side the great majority
of the time.
So why do they keep voting against their own interests?
Are the Dems really that bad at messaging?
Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On 31 Oct 2024 21:03:38 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:17:43?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote >>><fep7ijddvdk23qum4dhdac27nqsf22r91a@4ax.com>:
On 31 Oct 2024 01:07:56 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:12:25?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<aqi5ij9b00r1j4btouk4ev7ubreh4it2e0@4ax.com>:
On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>I am noting huge challenges -- things that the MAGA crowd has added to. >>>>>
We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life
expectancy, increased economic inequality, increased political
polarization, continued issues with basic health care, poorly funded >>>>>>> public eduction, infrastructure decay, increase in mental health issues >>>>>>> and substance abuse, reduced connection between productivity and >>>>>>> financial gain, etc. We have a lot of growing issues and for many of >>>>>>> them we can see that the American public as a whole has decent ideas on >>>>>>> how to handle these things.
Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican. >>>>>
I think as a country we can tackle all of those. Will we ever reach
perfection? Of course not. But we can improve.
Of course we can, but not with MAGAs and their Nazi friends.
Sadly you largely repeat yourself.
But even when you include MAGA/Nazi types, the polls show the people >>>*generally* want things the left champions.
That's what surprises me so much. When you poll strictly on issues and
solutions, the electorate comes down on the Democratic side the great majority
of the time.
So why do they keep voting against their own interests?
Are the Dems really that bad at messaging?
Difficult to get a message across when the mainstream media sane-washes Trump so much, and "the people" are inundated with disinformation.
Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On 31 Oct 2024 21:03:38 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 2024 at 1:17:43?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
On 31 Oct 2024 01:07:56 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 2024 at 5:12:25?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
On 29 Oct 2024 19:45:02 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>I am noting huge challenges -- things that the MAGA crowd has added to. >>>>>
We also have a lowering standard of living, a decreasing life
expectancy, increased economic inequality, increased political
polarization, continued issues with basic health care, poorly funded >>>>>>> public eduction, infrastructure decay, increase in mental health issues >>>>>>> and substance abuse, reduced connection between productivity and >>>>>>> financial gain, etc. We have a lot of growing issues and for many of >>>>>>> them we can see that the American public as a whole has decent ideas on >>>>>>> how to handle these things.
Whine, whine, whine. You're starting to sound like a MAGA Republican. >>>>>
I think as a country we can tackle all of those. Will we ever reach
perfection? Of course not. But we can improve.
Of course we can, but not with MAGAs and their Nazi friends.
Sadly you largely repeat yourself.
But even when you include MAGA/Nazi types, the polls show the people
*generally* want things the left champions.
That's what surprises me so much. When you poll strictly on issues and
solutions, the electorate comes down on the Democratic side the great majority
of the time.
So why do they keep voting against their own interests?
Are the Dems really that bad at messaging?
Difficult to get a message across when the mainstream media sane-washes Trump so much, and "the people" are inundated with disinformation.