• Re: List of 787 MS products

    From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to vallor on Fri Oct 25 18:10:05 2024
    vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 02:33 this Friday (GMT):
    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:37:24 -0400, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
    wrote in <vfei72$2qa7c$3@dont-email.me>:

    GuhNoo hobbyists sit around and badmouth Microsoft and produce crap that
    nobody wants.

    <Snit> So which of those fine Microsoft apps would you
    use for recording or livestreaming on Youtube or Twitch?

    (ducks)


    Isn't OBS the industry standard?
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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Oct 25 14:05:23 2024
    On 10/24/2024 7:42 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:37:24 -0400, DFS wrote:

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/export/

    I din't see my favorite.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Power_BI


    I think Power BI is part of 'Cloud Platform System', which is in the list.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Fri Oct 25 20:50:59 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote in <slrnvhnn6k.2ou1.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>:

    vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 02:33 this Friday (GMT):
    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:37:24 -0400, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
    wrote in <vfei72$2qa7c$3@dont-email.me>:

    GuhNoo hobbyists sit around and badmouth Microsoft and produce crap
    that nobody wants.

    <Snit> So which of those fine Microsoft apps would you
    use for recording or livestreaming on Youtube or Twitch?

    (ducks)


    Isn't OBS the industry standard?

    Seems that way to me.

    BTW, Dufus just made it into my killfile by being a dufus.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to DFS on Fri Oct 25 21:33:39 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:05:23 -0400, DFS wrote:

    On 10/24/2024 7:42 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:37:24 -0400, DFS wrote:

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/export/

    I din't see my favorite.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Power_BI


    I think Power BI is part of 'Cloud Platform System', which is in the
    list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Power_Platform

    I'm not sure what the CPS is.

    https://petri.com/overview-of-microsoft-cloud-platform-system/

    Power BI is sort of tied in with SSRS.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_Server_Reporting_Services

    Like a lot of the report systems SSRS is about as user friendly as a rabid pitbull.

    https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/microsoft-power-bi

    You do have to know your way around the database but I think you could
    turn a reasonably savvy middle manager loose with it after minimal
    instruction. That's not happening with SSRS, Crystal, Jasper, and so
    forth. You would feel right at home; the query macros are pretty much like Excel.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to vallor on Fri Oct 25 22:06:31 2024
    On 10/25/2024 4:50 PM, vallor wrote:


    BTW, Dufus just made it into my killfile by being a dufus.


    Were you triggered because you weigh 787?

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Wed Oct 30 09:13:59 2024
    On 2024-10-30 2:46 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-10-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2024-10-29 3:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-10-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2024-10-28 12:48 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 10/26/2024 9:30 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    Le 24-10-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
      From
    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/export/

    Let say that the major part of this list is only different versions of >>>>>> the same product. I'll try o remember that when you say there are too >>>>>> many Linux distros.


    Right now distrowatch lists 165 active x86_64 desktop Linux distros. >>>>>
    But 8-10 distros make up 90% of Linux desktop users.

    What's the lesson here?

    People fork for the sake of forking rather than to improve anything.

    The lesson? Linux is open source and people are free do what they want with >>> it. No justification needed for forking it.

    Choice is good.

    It is great in theory, but everyone seems to want to have their own
    distribution so rather than working together for a common goal, they're
    working apart. Theoretically, the improvements go into the same pool no
    matter what but I wonder if they actually do.

    It's great in practice. I don't WANT everyone working for a common goal, or
    a single distribution. One distribution could be controlled by one group of people. One distribution could more easily be attacked with an exploit. The so-called "weakness" in Linux (too many distributions) is to me its
    strength. It's how it says completely open source.

    Choice is good.

    I'm noticing that a lot of people who think the way you and I do have
    lost confidence in Linux and have started to move toward other projects
    like Serenity, BSD, Haiku and now RiscOS. Linux is starting to smell as
    bad as Marx did so some people with traditional values who also hate proprietary software are opting to jump ship.

    --
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    Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Wed Oct 30 17:36:35 2024
    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 06:55:28 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I've also read that more was made of this than was intended. So I'm not
    sure which story to believe. I DO know that at least one Russian kernel developer was blocked from contributing without going through the normal procedures (and without acknowledgment of what he's done for the kernel)
    by some censor-crazed committee or (probably) some small-minded
    committee member.

    Several developers with .ru email addresses or 'Russian' names were
    removed. Then Torvalds jumped into it calling anyone who protested
    'Russian trolls'. He's a Finn so there is some history there but he should
    have kept his mouth shut.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 20:46:42 2024
    Le 2024-10-30 à 12:27, RonB a écrit :
    On 2024-10-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2024-10-30 2:46 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-10-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2024-10-29 3:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-10-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2024-10-28 12:48 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 10/26/2024 9:30 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    Le 24-10-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>   From
    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/export/

    Let say that the major part of this list is only different versions of >>>>>>>> the same product. I'll try o remember that when you say there are too >>>>>>>> many Linux distros.


    Right now distrowatch lists 165 active x86_64 desktop Linux distros. >>>>>>>
    But 8-10 distros make up 90% of Linux desktop users.

    What's the lesson here?

    People fork for the sake of forking rather than to improve anything. >>>>>
    The lesson? Linux is open source and people are free do what they want with
    it. No justification needed for forking it.

    Choice is good.

    It is great in theory, but everyone seems to want to have their own
    distribution so rather than working together for a common goal, they're >>>> working apart. Theoretically, the improvements go into the same pool no >>>> matter what but I wonder if they actually do.

    It's great in practice. I don't WANT everyone working for a common goal, or >>> a single distribution. One distribution could be controlled by one group of >>> people. One distribution could more easily be attacked with an exploit. The >>> so-called "weakness" in Linux (too many distributions) is to me its
    strength. It's how it says completely open source.

    Choice is good.

    I'm noticing that a lot of people who think the way you and I do have
    lost confidence in Linux and have started to move toward other projects
    like Serenity, BSD, Haiku and now RiscOS. Linux is starting to smell as
    bad as Marx did so some people with traditional values who also hate
    proprietary software are opting to jump ship.

    I'm not sure how you're getting "Marx" connected to Linux. Marx demanded compliance, Linux is for choice and freedom. It seems the *lack* of control and slavish compliance is what you don't like about Linux.

    I was saying that the Marxists are taking over the Linux world, not that
    the system itself is Marxist in nature. I used to see it that way but
    it's pretty clear that there is nothing tyrannical about the Linux
    world... for now. Those woke clowns are trying desperately to change all
    of that.

    Choice is good. I don't know anything about Serenity or RiscOS, but I've tried BSD and Haiku (if you don't like Linux I'm pretty sure you won't like either one of them, but it won't hurt to give them a shot). I'll check out RiscOS and Serenity — I like the name of Serenity at any rate.

    It looks like RiscOS is running on the Raspberry Pi for the time being.
    To be honest, it will be nice for people who bought that hardware to
    play around with something other than Linux for a change. Still, I like
    that such an old operating system is being made to work with current
    demands. We can at least be sure that the core of the system is very light.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 20:51:07 2024
    Le 2024-10-30 à 13:08, RonB a écrit :
    On 2024-10-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2024-10-30 2:46 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-10-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2024-10-29 3:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-10-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
    On 2024-10-28 12:48 p.m., DFS wrote:
    On 10/26/2024 9:30 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    Le 24-10-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>   From
    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/export/

    Let say that the major part of this list is only different versions of >>>>>>>> the same product. I'll try o remember that when you say there are too >>>>>>>> many Linux distros.


    Right now distrowatch lists 165 active x86_64 desktop Linux distros. >>>>>>>
    But 8-10 distros make up 90% of Linux desktop users.

    What's the lesson here?

    People fork for the sake of forking rather than to improve anything. >>>>>
    The lesson? Linux is open source and people are free do what they want with
    it. No justification needed for forking it.

    Choice is good.

    It is great in theory, but everyone seems to want to have their own
    distribution so rather than working together for a common goal, they're >>>> working apart. Theoretically, the improvements go into the same pool no >>>> matter what but I wonder if they actually do.

    It's great in practice. I don't WANT everyone working for a common goal, or >>> a single distribution. One distribution could be controlled by one group of >>> people. One distribution could more easily be attacked with an exploit. The >>> so-called "weakness" in Linux (too many distributions) is to me its
    strength. It's how it says completely open source.

    Choice is good.

    I'm noticing that a lot of people who think the way you and I do have
    lost confidence in Linux and have started to move toward other projects
    like Serenity, BSD, Haiku and now RiscOS. Linux is starting to smell as
    bad as Marx did so some people with traditional values who also hate
    proprietary software are opting to jump ship.

    I'm guessing you didn't look up Serenity or RiscOS. Serenity has to be compiled in Linux and it runs in QEMU (as a virtual machine). RiscOS is designed for Raspberries and other small ARM CPU, one board computers.

    Serenity touts a 1990s style desktop with a late 2000s Linux vibe. I'm
    trying to figure out why that's even a "thing."

    But if people want it, that's their choice and they're welcome to it.

    I hadn't looked up much about Serenity but knew what it was. As for
    RiscOS, I knew that it was for the Raspberries but thought to mention it
    not only because a lot of people are getting Raspberries, but because a
    lot of computers in general are moving to Arm.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 31 09:18:09 2024
    On 10/26/24 9:30 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 24-10-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
    From
    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/export/

    Let say that the major part of this list is only different versions of
    the same product. I'll try o remember that when you say there are too
    many Linux distros.


    Yes, its effectively versioning, but for older versions to still be on
    the list is a sign that MS is still actively maintaining these older
    version (along with the newer). The support is probably little more
    than security updates (not new features), because that's good policy and
    a recognition that user bases don't automatically migrate to newer
    versions, even when the newer versions are made available at zero cost.

    -hh

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Oct 31 19:27:54 2024
    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 06:18:59 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    Okay. But I think the most popular OS on the Raspberry Pi is still
    Debian.
    (I may be wrong about that. I have a Raspberry, but it's in storage in
    Texas, and I'll probably never see it again.)

    Raspian was dropped and the current Raspberry Pi OS is Debian Bookworm
    based. There are other options but the Pi I bought came with the Pi OS on
    a microSSD and I saw no reason to get another. Some have even tried
    Windows 11 on the Pi 5 and it sort of works. Ubuntu is another popular
    distro but that's a Debian derivative.

    https://www.xda-developers.com/best-operating-systems-for-raspberry-pi-5/

    Sort of surprising when I did the apt update/upgrade on the Pi yesterday I
    got the October VS Code release, 1.95 and when I update the Fedora box
    I'll get it. It's a snap on Ubuntu and still 1.93.1.

    I haven't went to Ubuntu 24 so maybe that has the newer snap.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Oct 31 19:31:39 2024
    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 06:39:42 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    These thin clients are actually cheaper and more useful than the
    Raspberry Pi and other small, one board computers. About $30 (or less) shipped if you're patient on eBay. They aren't ARM though, they run
    Intel or AMD (on the 5060) 64 bit CPUs. Very low wattage, no fans, just
    a big heat sync.

    How many GPIOs does your thin client have :) The Canakit for the Pi 5 has
    a cut little fan, about 1 1/2" square. I can't hear it although I do feel
    a little warm air. Cooling is recommended for the 5; push it too hard and
    it will throttle down otherwise.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Oct 31 20:15:40 2024
    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 06:27:43 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    Finland was actually part of Sweden until 1809 when it became part of
    Russia in (I'm guessing) their war with Sweden. The Finns declared independence after the Soviet Revolution and, for the most part, the
    Soviets gave them their independence. So, until very recent history, I
    think the relationship was more or less peaceful with a good deal of
    trade between the two countries.

    Well, there was that little Winter War:

    https://www.sabaton.net/historical-facts/simo-hayha-born/

    That was followed by the Continuation War with Germany on their side that
    led to the Brits declaring war on Finland.

    Then there was the Lapland War. The Moscow Armistice ended the
    Continuation War. Germany was already pulling back to Norway but the
    Soviets thought the Finns should be a little more proactive. The Finns and Germans more or less pretended to be at war. Mannerheim sent a letter to Hitler:

    "Our German brothers-in-arms will forever remain in our hearts. The
    Germans in Finland were certainly not the representatives of foreign
    despotism but helpers and brothers-in-arms. But even in such cases
    foreigners are in difficult positions requiring such tact. I can assure
    you that during the past years nothing whatsoever happened that could have induced us to consider the German troops intruders or oppressors. I
    believe that the attitude of the German Army in northern Finland towards
    the local population and authorities will enter our history as a unique
    example of a correct and cordial relationship [...] I deem it my duty to
    lead my people out of the war. I cannot and I will not turn the arms which
    you have so liberally supplied us against Germans. I harbour the hope that
    you, even if you disapprove of my attitude, will wish and endeavour like
    myself and all other Finns to terminate our former relations without
    increasing the gravity of the situation."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War

    Germany has also taken part in the Finnish Civil War in 1918 on the side
    of the Whites led by Mannerheim. The Reds were terminated with extreme prejudice. Germany lost WWI or there would have been a much closer link.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Fri Nov 1 17:46:03 2024
    On Fri, 1 Nov 2024 06:23:32 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't know what a GPIO is, but I'm guessing it has something to do
    with input and output(?) — maybe for a camera? My WYSE 5070 has seven standard USB ports (five 3.x and two 2.x) plus a USB-C port that doubles
    as a Display Port. A speaker jack, a headphone jack, a 9-pin serial
    port, two standard Display Ports, an add-on VGA port and an Ethernet
    port. WiFi is optional. I do have a WiFi card on another WYSE 5070 but
    not on the one I use. I normally use Ethernet cables for my computers.

    https://pinout.xyz/

    General Purpose I/O. The Pi breaks out most of the processor pins to a 40
    pin header. Some of them have alternate uses. For example the SPI can be
    used with accelerometers, temperature/humidity sensors, and other
    peripherals. The strictly general purpose ones can be used however you
    want. You can read inputs like buttons or use the outputs to activate
    LEDS, servos, and so forth.

    In addition to the processor pins there are 4 regular USB-A ports and HDMI
    so you can use it as a general purpose Linux box without going near to
    pins.

    The Pico, being a microcontroller has a similar layout but more of the
    GPIO pins have specific uses. Only GPIO 22 doesn't have an alternate use.

    https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/pico/Pico-R3-A4-Pinout.pdf


    The Pico uses the RP2040 Arm Cortex M0+ processor. The Pi 5 uses the
    Broadcom BCM2712 SOC based on the Arm Cortex-A76. On the Arm world, 'M'
    parts are the microcontroller profile, and 'A' are general purpose
    application profile. There is also the 'R' realtime profile.

    There are extensions but the base ISA is uniform across all Arm designs.
    x86 tended to be the wild west and it's only very recently that Intel and
    AMD decided to work together against the shared threat. It's a late
    starter but the RISC-V people are doing the same.

    Anyway that's what GPIO means. More detailed:

    https://s-o-c.org/how-many-gpio-registers-are-in-arm-processor/

    https://www.hackster.io/raspberry-pi/projects

    The Pi blurs the distinction between a microcontroller and microprocessor. That's why the argument that the Intel NUC was aimed at the Raspberry Pi
    market completely missed the point.

    Windows on Arm as implemented by Microsoft isn't going to look any
    different than Windows on x86. It would be interesting to see what you
    could do with Windows on a Pi.

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