I'm just curious as to how many Linux users here bother with it. I have
opal2 encryption on my storage but find the process of enabling it on
Linux way too complicated to bother, and I know that software encryption
will slow down the storage heavily. Yes, it's good for security, but I'm wondering if anyone actually uses it and why.

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Den 2025-05-17 kl. 04:03, skrev CrudeSausage:

I'm just curious as to how many Linux users here bother with it. I have
opal2 encryption on my storage but find the process of enabling it on
Linux way too complicated to bother, and I know that software encryption
will slow down the storage heavily. Yes, it's good for security, but I'm wondering if anyone actually uses it and why.

Yes, I use it. It was easy to set up, just a checkbox in the installer
and entering the passphrase. I do it because I don't want my data to be readable when someone nicks my laptop / computer. The performance impact
is hardly noticeable, if at all. It's all hardware accelerated anyway on
any modern CPU, and more often than not the hard drive is the bottle
neck, not the encryption.

Cheers,

Koen

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On 2025-05-17 02:08, Koen Martens wrote:

Den 2025-05-17 kl. 04:03, skrev CrudeSausage:

I'm just curious as to how many Linux users here bother with it. I
have opal2 encryption on my storage but find the process of enabling
it on Linux way too complicated to bother, and I know that software
encryption will slow down the storage heavily. Yes, it's good for
security, but I'm wondering if anyone actually uses it and why.

Yes, I use it. It was easy to set up, just a checkbox in the installer
and entering the passphrase. I do it because I don't want my data to be readable when someone nicks my laptop / computer. The performance impact
is hardly noticeable, if at all. It's all hardware accelerated anyway on
any modern CPU, and more often than not the hard drive is the bottle
neck, not the encryption.

Cheers,

Koen

That has been the argument for me so far: if someone steals your laptop,
you don't want the data to be readable. It made sense for me in Windows
until I acknowledged that even if I weren't the one turning on the
computer, it would still boot to the Windows login screen. We already
know that there are easy ways to log into a Windows account even without knowing the password, so even if the data is encrypted, the person using
our account will have access to our files. This only seems to help if a
person is trying to access the files from the outside, like through a
Linux live environment accessing the Windows drive.

I've never tried accessing a hard disk with Linux installed through a
live environment in order to get files. I imagine it's trivial, but I
expect that even if not encrypted, there would be a prompt for a
password if I tried getting into someone's /home directory. I'll have to
try it later to see just how easy it actually is.

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God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE, EndeavourOS & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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Le 17-05-2025, Koen Martens <in+usenet@metro.cx> a écrit :

Den 2025-05-17 kl. 04:03, skrev CrudeSausage:

I'm just curious as to how many Linux users here bother with it. I have
opal2 encryption on my storage but find the process of enabling it on
Linux way too complicated to bother, and I know that software encryption
will slow down the storage heavily. Yes, it's good for security, but I'm
wondering if anyone actually uses it and why.

Yes, I use it. It was easy to set up, just a checkbox in the installer
and entering the passphrase. I do it because I don't want my data to be readable when someone nicks my laptop / computer. The performance impact
is hardly noticeable, if at all. It's all hardware accelerated anyway on
any modern CPU, and more often than not the hard drive is the bottle
neck, not the encryption.

The real important thing about security is to know against who you need
to be protected. You are afraid your computer can be stolen, so you have
to be protected against that. For my part, I don't and I have nothing
secret on it. But, if I have an issue, I need to be able to recover the
easiest way possible. And if my system is encrypted, it can be
difficult, so I don't. And I know: if my government want to access my
computer, I can't fight, so I don't try. Would I be a journalist or
something like that, I could try to have better protection against it.

Mind you: I'm not saying I have no backup. I back up the most important
things but it doesn't mean I wouldn't care about less important things.
I wouldn't have big issues, but if I could avoid it, it would be fine.

So, I'm protected against disasters: if my home burn when I'm not there,
I can get the most important data back. And I'm protected against
Internet script kiddies. Because I know that if government want to fight
me, I can't compete, or it would be, at least, more difficult to manage
and I know that my government want to fight me. I mean: I'm not a
target, I don't mean they try to target everyone to see and I'm not one
of them.

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On 2025-05-17 06:55, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2025-05-17 02:08, Koen Martens wrote:

Den 2025-05-17 kl. 04:03, skrev CrudeSausage:

I'm just curious as to how many Linux users here bother with it. I
have opal2 encryption on my storage but find the process of enabling
it on Linux way too complicated to bother, and I know that software
encryption will slow down the storage heavily. Yes, it's good for
security, but I'm wondering if anyone actually uses it and why.

Yes, I use it. It was easy to set up, just a checkbox in the installer
and entering the passphrase. I do it because I don't want my data to
be readable when someone nicks my laptop / computer. The performance
impact is hardly noticeable, if at all. It's all hardware accelerated
anyway on any modern CPU, and more often than not the hard drive is
the bottle neck, not the encryption.

Cheers,

Koen

That has been the argument for me so far: if someone steals your laptop,
you don't want the data to be readable. It made sense for me in Windows
until I acknowledged that even if I weren't the one turning on the
computer, it would still boot to the Windows login screen. We already
know that there are easy ways to log into a Windows account even without knowing the password, so even if the data is encrypted, the person using
our account will have access to our files. This only seems to help if a person is trying to access the files from the outside, like through a
Linux live environment accessing the Windows drive.

I've never tried accessing a hard disk with Linux installed through a
live environment in order to get files. I imagine it's trivial, but I
expect that even if not encrypted, there would be a prompt for a
password if I tried getting into someone's /home directory. I'll have to
try it later to see just how easy it actually is.

I just did, and was surprised that anyone could access my files without
any effort. Yeah, not the result I expected.

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God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE, EndeavourOS & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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CrudeSausage wrote:

We already
know that there are easy ways to log into a Windows account even without >knowing the password, so even if the data is encrypted, the person using
our account will have access to our files.

I don't know that. Do you have support for that claim?

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On 2025-05-17 8:43 p.m., chrisv wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

We already
know that there are easy ways to log into a Windows account even without
knowing the password, so even if the data is encrypted, the person using
our account will have access to our files.

I don't know that. Do you have support for that claim?

Well, here's one of the latest examples: <https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-vulnerability-hackers-into-pc-300-miliseconds/>

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God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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CrudeSausage wrote:

chrisv wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

We already
know that there are easy ways to log into a Windows account even without >>> knowing the password, so even if the data is encrypted, the person using >>> our account will have access to our files.

I don't know that. Do you have support for that claim?

Well, here's one of the latest examples: ><https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-vulnerability-hackers-into-pc-300-miliseconds/>

OK, so a hacker exploiting an unpatched vulnerability may be able to
do it, but that's no "easy way".

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out?" - "-hh", putting his ignorance on display

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On 2025-05-18 10:07 a.m., chrisv wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

chrisv wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

We already
know that there are easy ways to log into a Windows account even without >>>> knowing the password, so even if the data is encrypted, the person using >>>> our account will have access to our files.

I don't know that. Do you have support for that claim?

Well, here's one of the latest examples:
<https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-vulnerability-hackers-into-pc-300-miliseconds/>

OK, so a hacker exploiting an unpatched vulnerability may be able to
do it, but that's no "easy way".

I've seen people log into Windows without knowing the password using a
USB key. It might be the RubberDucky hacking tool, but I don't know for
sure. Either way, I don't believe that Windows is necessarily the most
secure platform on the planet, regardless of the fact that most
businesses rely on it.

If it is indeed robust, all the better.

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God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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