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|---|---|
| Location: | Fayetteville, NC |
| Users: | 28 |
| Nodes: | 6 (0 / 6) |
| Uptime: | 69:10:29 |
| Calls: | 425 |
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So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Some conclusions I felt were questionable:
* “Changing desktop managers is too much work” -- he went to all the trouble of removing the packages for GNOME after installing KDE, when
he could have left them in place, so switching would have been just a
simple matter of logging out and logging in again.
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
* OBS Studio: “There's a community version but no official version of
OBS for Linux.” What a load of nonsense.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365. Hasn’t he heard that it’s not “Office” any more?
* AutoHotKey -- he is really hung up over this. Why is he so attached
to such a clunky Windows tool, that is actually more fiddly to use
than a scriptable command line?
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Some conclusions I felt were questionable:
* “Changing desktop managers is too much work” -- he went to all the trouble of removing the packages for GNOME after installing KDE, when
he could have left them in place, so switching would have been just a
simple matter of logging out and logging in again.
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
* OBS Studio: “There's a community version but no official version of
OBS for Linux.” What a load of nonsense.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365. Hasn’t he heard that it’s not “Office” any more?
* AutoHotKey -- he is really hung up over this. Why is he so attached
to such a clunky Windows tool, that is actually more fiddly to use
than a scriptable command line?
I find it hilarious that he tried to run Photoshop Elements in Linux.
What is the point? You can easily try Krita or GIMP to get the same functionality without the hassle.
If your goal is to run Windows software, just run Windows.
Perhaps the OBS reference is to whether it is in the repo or not ?
On 2025-05-16 19:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Some conclusions I felt were questionable:
* “Changing desktop managers is too much work” -- he went to all the
trouble of removing the packages for GNOME after installing KDE, when
he could have left them in place, so switching would have been just a
simple matter of logging out and logging in again.
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
* OBS Studio: “There's a community version but no official version of
OBS for Linux.” What a load of nonsense.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365. Hasn’t he heard that
it’s not “Office” any more?
* AutoHotKey -- he is really hung up over this. Why is he so attached
to such a clunky Windows tool, that is actually more fiddly to use
than a scriptable command line?
I find it hilarious that he tried to run Photoshop Elements in Linux. What is the point? You can easily try Krita or GIMP to get the same functionality without the hassle. If your goal is to run Windows software, just run Windows.
The customer is always right.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365.
Hasn’t he heard that
it’s not “Office” any more?
So, the ôweekö stretched on a bit longer than a week ><https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
On Fri, 16 May 2025 22:24:18 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I find it hilarious that he tried to run Photoshop Elements in Linux.
What is the point? You can easily try Krita or GIMP to get the same
functionality without the hassle.
He said he preferred the Adobe interface. As though that’s “intuitive” or
something ...
If your goal is to run Windows software, just run Windows.
There was a survey done of the VFX industry a few years ago. That was
already dominated by Linux desktops at that point, and the trend was for
that to grow. Seemed like hardly anybody wanted to use Adobe software.
On Fri, 5/16/2025 10:24 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-16 19:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Some conclusions I felt were questionable:
* “Changing desktop managers is too much work” -- he went to all the >>> trouble of removing the packages for GNOME after installing KDE, when
he could have left them in place, so switching would have been just a
simple matter of logging out and logging in again.
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
* OBS Studio: “There's a community version but no official version of
OBS for Linux.” What a load of nonsense.
* MS Office -- funny, but Microsoft lists Linux as one of the
officially supported platforms for Microsoft 365. Hasn’t he heard that >>> it’s not “Office” any more?
* AutoHotKey -- he is really hung up over this. Why is he so attached
to such a clunky Windows tool, that is actually more fiddly to use
than a scriptable command line?
I find it hilarious that he tried to run Photoshop Elements in Linux. What is the point? You can easily try Krita or GIMP to get the same functionality without the hassle. If your goal is to run Windows software, just run Windows.
The customer is always right.
Whatever the customer wants to do, must be the right thing for them.
The concept is "continuity". The idea is, this is the
Year Of The Linux Desktop, and we want to crush the competition
with our seamless compatibility. Just as Microsoft tried to put
a translator on the Qualcomm ARM laptops, so win32 could run
without a fuss. Apple does stuff like this too.
WINE has made great strides over the years. Things I figured would
never run, they run today. I think some distros are better configured
for this purpose than others. and it's quite possible the distros
I've been using "just don't get it". The WINE is always a mess,
and all it needs is a bit of loving care to bring out the best in it.
The user shouldn't have to play whack a mole, to get it set up.
As I understand it, there are some gamer environments where it is ready-to-go.
The poster here is using PlayOnLinux.
https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-elements-discussions/photoshop-elements-15-under-linux-with-wine-welcome-screen-problem/td-p/11542591
Oct 26, 2020
Mint 20 Linux system using PlayOnLinux and version 5.19 (Staging) of WINE
I work remotely on
the Windows VM. Most of the time with Remmina-RDP on ChromeOS,
The customer is always right.
Whatever the customer wants to do, must be the right thing for them.
The concept is "continuity".
The idea is, this is the
Year Of The Linux Desktop, and we want to crush the competition
with our seamless compatibility.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 12:33:47 +0200, Michael Logies
<logies@t-online.de> wrote:
I work remotely on
the Windows VM. Most of the time with Remmina-RDP on ChromeOS,
Of course via VPN for security (Wireguard on a German router
(Fritzbox)). A client for Wireguard is integrated in ChromeOS, which
makes setup easy.
He prefers the Adobe interface for the same reason I prefer
LibreOffice's: it's familiar. If you grew up with 90s software, it's
only normal that interfaces from the 90s would still appeal to you. The
fact that he wasn't even open to doing things slightly differently is telling. This is a case of "Linux has to adapt to me, not me to it."
What's a Windows power user again ?
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not supported on Linux.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote:
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not
supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React Native
for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how Microsoft seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365 uses?
On Sat, 17 May 2025 08:39:14 -0400, Paul wrote:
What's a Windows power user again ?
Other than the meaningless phrase there was a group that had slightly more permissions than a User but that went away a long time ago. A Windows User
is lucky if they can turn the machine on and is meant for corporate peons. You have to be an Administrator to do much of anything.
On Sat, 5/17/2025 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote:
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not
supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React Native
for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how Microsoft
seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365 uses?
Microsoft laid off 3% of staff this week.
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/microsoft-layoffs-hit-bay-area-staff-20330085.php
The staff have "CODEX and The Vibes" on their mind
(that's a musical group).
https://soundcloud.com/codex-vibes
Paul
* Preferring Chrome over Chromium -- he didn’t offer any reason why
he preferred the proprietary version, when the open-source one was in
the standard repos.
Chromium is snap only pakcage without any control over its sandbox.
"Google Office" (Google Workspace, even the free version) easily
replaces Microsoft Office ...
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 12:33:47 +0200, Michael Logies wrote:
"Google Office" (Google Workspace, even the free version) easily
replaces Microsoft Office ...
Yes, but it’s not “Microsoft Office” any more, is it: it’s now the cloud-
based “Microsoft 365”, which is officially supported on Linux, if you really want.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:38:53 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
Chromium is snap only pakcage without any control over its sandbox.
Not on Debian and derivatives, it isn’t: it’s a package in the standard repo.
Lucky for me almost everything I use is the same on Windows and Linux.
W dniu 18.05.2025 o 02:05, Lawrence D'Oliveiro pisze:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:38:53 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
Chromium is snap only pakcage without any control over its sandbox.
Not on Debian and derivatives, it isn’t: it’s a package in the standard >> repo.
At my Kubuntu 20.04 I have this info:
Standalone Office is just “legacy” these days, let’s face it.
As for Access users, LibreOffice Base gives access to back-end DBMSes
ranging from SQLite to MySQL/MariaDB, any one of which can leave Access
in the dust.
On 2025-05-17 5:07 p.m., Paul wrote:
On Sat, 5/17/2025 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote:Microsoft laid off 3% of staff this week.
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not
supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React
Native for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how
Microsoft seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365
uses?
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/microsoft-layoffs-hit-bay-area- staff-20330085.php
The staff have "CODEX and The Vibes" on their mind (that's a musical
group).
https://soundcloud.com/codex-vibes
Paul
They seem to be constantly doing that. It doesn't matter how rich or profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
rbowman wrote:
Lucky for me almost everything I use is the same on Windows and Linux.
That so much software supports Linux, as well the "big two" commercial
OS's, is a wonderful thing.
Freedom to the people!
W dniu 18.05.2025 o 02:05, Lawrence D'Oliveiro pisze:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:38:53 +0200, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
Chromium is snap only pakcage without any control over its sandbox.
Not on Debian and derivatives, it isn’t: it’s a package in the standard >> repo.
At my Kubuntu 20.04 I have this info:
$ apt info chromium-browser -a
Package: chromium-browser
Version: 1:85.0.4183.83-0ubuntu0.20.04.3
Priority: optional
Section: universe/web
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 165 kB
Provides: gnome-www-browser, www-browser, x-www-browser
Pre-Depends: debconf, snapd
Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
Homepage: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/
Download-Size: 48,5 kB
APT-Sources: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/universe amd64 Packages
Description: Transitional package - chromium-browser -> chromium snap
 Jest to przejściowy pakiet atrapa. Może być bezpiecznie usunięty.
 .
 chromium-browser is now replaced by the chromium snap.
Package: chromium-browser
Version: 80.0.3987.163-0ubuntu1
Priority: optional
Section: universe/web
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 164 kB
Provides: www-browser
Pre-Depends: debconf, snapd
Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
Homepage: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/
Download-Size: 48,3 kB
APT-Sources: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 Packages Description: Transitional package - chromium-browser -> chromium snap
 Jest to przejściowy pakiet atrapa. Może być bezpiecznie usunięty.
 .
 chromium-browser is now replaced by the chromium snap.
For your convenience:
$ trans pl:en 'Jest to przejściowy pakiet atrapa. Może być bezpiecznie usunięty.'
Jest to przejściowy pakiet atrapa. Może być bezpiecznie usunięty.
This is a temporary dummy package. It can be safely removed.
Note also this:
$ sudo apt install chromium-browser
Czytanie list pakietĂłw... Gotowe
Budowanie drzewa zależności
Odczyt informacji o stanie... Gotowe
The following additional packages will be installed:
 snapd
Zostaną zainstalowane następujące NOWE pakiety:
 chromium-browser snapd
0 aktualizowanych, 2 nowo instalowanych, 0 usuwanych i 89 nieaktualizowanych. Konieczne pobranie 26,2 MB archiwĂłw.
Po tej operacji zostanie dodatkowo użyte 110 MB miejsca na dysku. Kontynuować? [T/n]
So on my Kubuntu 20.04 it want to install Chromium from snap.
Paul wrote:
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
apt info chromium-browser
apt info chromium
One of them is SNAP, one is .deb .
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:21:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Standalone Office is just “legacy” these days, let’s face it.
As for Access users, LibreOffice Base gives access to back-end DBMSes
ranging from SQLite to MySQL/MariaDB, any one of which can leave Access
in the dust.
I doubt it is the database as much as the apps built around it. I had to
get employee information from a Access database but it was straight SQL programming. However a ranger at another national park built an entire incident handling application using Access. I was impressed or horrified, take your pick. Winters get real long at that particular park.
CrudeSausage wrote:
It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete with
a computer?
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 06:47:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
The laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics,
dictate that systems tend towards increased entropy (disorder); however
some truths (e.g., 2+2=4) are considered eternal and unchanging,
existing independently of the physical world.
Paul wrote:
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
At other places, they have tried filling a few of the USB ports with
epoxy. But it's pretty hard to do that to a computer, after the fact. If
the manufacturer offers a "security" version of a machine, they can
de-pop the connectors they don't want the staff to use. Or, fit a
connector which is a "blank" and has no electrical contacts in it.
On 2025-05-18 04:33, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:21:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Standalone Office is just “legacy” these days, let’s face it.
As for Access users, LibreOffice Base gives access to back-end DBMSes
ranging from SQLite to MySQL/MariaDB, any one of which can leave
Access in the dust.
I doubt it is the database as much as the apps built around it. I had
to get employee information from a Access database but it was straight
SQL programming. However a ranger at another national park built an
entire incident handling application using Access. I was impressed or
horrified,
take your pick. Winters get real long at that particular park.
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
rbowman wrote:microsofts_axe_software_developers/
CrudeSausage wrote:
It doesn't matter how rich or profitable a company gets, people are
always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete with a computer?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 06:47:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
The laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics, dictate that systems tend towards increased entropy (disorder); however some truths (e.g., 2+2=4) are considered eternal and unchanging, existing independently of the physical world.
W dniu 18.05.2025 o 06:48, Paul pisze:
apt info chromium-browser apt info chromium
One of them is SNAP, one is .deb .
That seems to be true in the past. For now on my Kubuntu 20.04 I have:
Paul wrote:
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
The laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics, dictate >> that systems tend towards increased entropy (disorder); however some truths >> (e.g., 2+2=4) are considered eternal and unchanging, existing independently >> of the physical world.
Physicists tend to disagree on things, as that's where job security comes from :-)
"A fresh theory every day, or your money refunded".
I think we could agree on some "properties" we observed at local distances. It's a stretch to say we know what is at the "edge" of the Universe.
But I'm flying out there next week, and I'll check.
Any USB stick in the company I work at is immedately encrypted upon insertion.
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 20:04:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-17 5:07 p.m., Paul wrote:staff-20330085.php
On Sat, 5/17/2025 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote: >>>>Microsoft laid off 3% of staff this week.
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not >>>>> supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React
Native for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how
Microsoft seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365
uses?
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/microsoft-layoffs-hit-bay-area-
The staff have "CODEX and The Vibes" on their mind (that's a musical
group).
https://soundcloud.com/codex-vibes
Paul
They seem to be constantly doing that. It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/<
On Sun, 18 May 2025 00:48:33 -0400, Paul wrote:
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
rbowman wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete with
a computer?
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
Will that always be true?
The laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics,
dictate that systems tend towards increased entropy (disorder); however
some truths (e.g., 2+2=4) are considered eternal and unchanging,
existing independently of the physical world.
Would they exist independent of homo sapiens? Where does the metaphysical world exist?
Physics exists outside of humans as does the exactitude of math such
that, for the earth's massenergy, 4D spacetime inrushes at 11km/sec
which exactly counteracts the outward expanding 9.8m/s/s electrostatic molecular forces.
microsofts_axe_software_developers/<What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/
And I get the impression that it doesn't matter how experienced or
educated you are either.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:41:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
Maybe you didn’t notice that LibreOffice supports the use of more
advanced application programming than Visual Basic can offer -- namely, Python.
Physicists tend to disagree on things, as that's where job security
comes from
They don't. Like I constantly tell my wife, I made the right decision in
not pursuing tech as a career. Theoretically, AI can replace teachers
since they can adapt to each user and allow them to learn at their own
pace. However, AI won't be there to make sure that a person stays
focused on their studies rather than throwing a ball around or
masturbating, so teachers are likely to be useful for the foreseeable
future. Once they program enough T-1000s to punish the kids for not
taking their studies seriously though, we're doomed.
On May 17, 2025 at 8:38:31 PM EDT, "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Paul wrote:
You have to be TrustedInstaller to do much of anything.
That's why malware runs as TrustedInstaller.
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the company network?
Everything we "think" we know... is wrong.
On 2025-05-17 10:18 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 20:04:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-17 5:07 p.m., Paul wrote:staff-20330085.php
On Sat, 5/17/2025 1:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2025 06:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oublespeak wrote: >>>>>Microsoft laid off 3% of staff this week.
Microsoft Office 2024 is available for a one-time purchase. It is not >>>>>> supported on Linux.
Speaking of which I read this week that Microsoft is using React
Native for parts of Office. VS Code is done with Electron. Funny how >>>>> Microsoft seldom eats their own dog food. I wonder what Windows 365
uses?
    https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/microsoft-layoffs-hit-bay-area-
The staff have "CODEX and The Vibes" on their mind (that's a musical
group).
https://soundcloud.com/codex-vibes
    Paul
They seem to be constantly doing that. It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/<
And I get the impression that it doesn't matter how experienced or educated you are either.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 16:03:50 -0400, Paul wrote:
Physicists tend to disagree on things, as that's where job security
comes from
And each new generation has to disagree with the previous one or they
might as well apply for a job at Starbucks. Sometimes that disagreement
means digging up old bones and thinking they have a nice, fresh, meaty
meal.
Physics exists outside of humans as does the exactitude of math such
that, for the earth's massenergy, 4D spacetime inrushes at 11km/sec
which exactly counteracts the outward expanding 9.8m/s/s electrostatic
molecular forces.
Does it? Or is it a post hoc explanation? Starting at the most basic level the rationality so prized by humans is an epiphenomenon, a fairy tale by triggered neurons to explain what the wetware already did.
Everything we "think" we know... is wrong.
Is that what you think you know?
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
On Mon, 19 May 2025 01:58:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
Everything we "think" we know... is wrong.
Is that what you think you know?
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week <https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
or is that just another thing we think we know?
rbowman wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
It doesn't matter how rich or
profitable a company gets, people are always expendable.
What's interesting is who is expendable.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_developers/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete with
a computer?
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:41:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2025-05-18 04:33, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 01:21:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Standalone Office is just “legacy” these days, let’s face it.
As for Access users, LibreOffice Base gives access to back-end DBMSes
ranging from SQLite to MySQL/MariaDB, any one of which can leave
Access in the dust.
I doubt it is the database as much as the apps built around it. I had
to get employee information from a Access database but it was straight
SQL programming. However a ranger at another national park built an
entire incident handling application using Access. I was impressed or
horrified,
take your pick. Winters get real long at that particular park.
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
I've only extracted data from either but I wonder how much Visual Foxpro
DNA found its way into the Access world? After MS bought Fox Foxpro had
quite a long run alongside Access. Th Fox probably died as open source
xBase approaches became available.
The Access site says:
"Create and share apps without being a developer
Build business apps from templates or from scratch. With rich and
intuitive design tools, Access helps you create appealing and highly functional apps in a minimal amount of time."
While there are templates and other tools I don't think they ever made
that claim about SQL Server. SSMS is powerful but doesn't lend itself to independent apps. Likewise Power BI is great for visualization but not management or creation.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:41:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
MS Access makes it easy to create databases and the applications, more
than LO Base. LO has neglected that aspect, I'm sorry to say.
Maybe you didn’t notice that LibreOffice supports the use of more advanced application programming than Visual Basic can offer -- namely, Python.
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
I could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line banking
and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers. Connections
are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 18:59:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
They don't. Like I constantly tell my wife, I made the right decision in
not pursuing tech as a career. Theoretically, AI can replace teachers
since they can adapt to each user and allow them to learn at their own
pace. However, AI won't be there to make sure that a person stays
focused on their studies rather than throwing a ball around or
masturbating, so teachers are likely to be useful for the foreseeable
future. Once they program enough T-1000s to punish the kids for not
taking their studies seriously though, we're doomed.
Shock collars... They will also accustom the kids to a lifetime of
wearing ankle monitors.
On 2025-05-19 12:02, Farley Flud wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
I could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line banking
and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers.
Connections
are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
I use Linux every day and I don't have that problem. I was just at my
bank a few minutes ago.
Everything we "think" we know... is wrong.
Is that what you think you know?
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
Speak for yourself.
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
How does the justification for that question follow from the assumption?
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...
or is that just another thing we think we know?
Quantum mechanics gave humans the first inkling that the human brain/mind cannot
comprehend ultimate reality.
Some still attempt to rationalize quantum theory but the wise folks don't bother and just use it as a (supremely accurate) calculation tool.
When you make them out of cardboard boxes,
they're "really easy on gas".
On 2025-05-19 12:02, Farley Flud wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the ?week? stretched on a bit longer than a week
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
I could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line
banking and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers. Connections are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
I use Linux every day and I don't have that problem. I was just at my
bank a few minutes ago.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 10:07:19 +0000, Farley Flud wrote :
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...Quantum mechanics gave humans the first inkling that the human
or is that just another thing we think we know?
brain/mind cannot comprehend ultimate reality.
Some still attempt to rationalize quantum theory but the wise folks
don't bother and just use it as a (supremely accurate) calculation
tool.
Ah, a fellow traveler down the rabbit hole of quantum weirdness who
realizes the limits of a monkey brain - which is - after all - us.
An example is they think premium gas is better... when it's actually
worse.
Just because they charge more for it. People think it "must" be better.
The assertion that physics and math exist 'outside of humans' is a long-standing debate (Platonism vs. nominalism, for example).
On Fri, 16 May 2025 23:36:19 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, the “week” stretched on a bit longer than a weekI could never give up Winblows unless I wanted to give up on-line
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/live/my-week-with-linux>.
Verdict: he could do most, but not all, of the things he wanted to do.
banking and shopping.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers. Connections are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
A lot of web sites seem to discriminate against GNU/Linux browsers.
Connections are not possible unless one uses Winblows.
That turns out not to be the case.
I use a Linux desktop as my "daily driver", and there's only
one reason that I "need" to bring up the Windows 11 Pro for Workstations virtual machine: reading a particular book on Kindle, which can't
be read with the Kindle web site.
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern Linux browser, I have no troubles with this.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:15:07 -0400, Joel wrote:
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern Linux
browser, I have no troubles with this.
Can you access Amazon Music with your browser?
It's certainly humbling to consider that our evolved wetware, honed for navigating the macroscopic savanna, might be fundamentally ill-equipped to grasp the true nature of reality at its most fundamental level. We're
simply monkey brained hominids after all. We evolved to survive. Not to comprehend the weirdness of the universe.
So, while we may not comprehend ultimate reality, the fact that quantum mechanics allows us to make predictions with such astonishing accuracy suggests that we've at least stumbled upon some remarkably reliable rules
of the game, even if the rulebook remains written in a language our brains can't fully parse.
The fact that Gravity isn't a force means we need to understand what
gravity is, which, in Einstein's mind, was due to the curvature of
spacetime, a concept that feels as intuitive to our "monkey-brained
hominids" as, well, quantum superposition.
Perhaps the only thing we can truly know is that we know nothing...Quantum mechanics gave humans the first inkling that the human
or is that just another thing we think we know?
brain/mind cannot comprehend ultimate reality.
Some still attempt to rationalize quantum theory but the wise folks
don't bother and just use it as a (supremely accurate) calculation
tool.
Ah, a fellow traveler down the rabbit hole of quantum weirdness who
realizes the limits of a monkey brain - which is - after all - us.
The problem is as you try to explain the limits you wind up with Zen. Nietzsche tried to make the leap when he described our world as an
artistic rendering of reality. Korzybski took a pass at it with 'the map
is not the territory'.
Tools are an extension of our physical being that enable us to transcend
our physical limitations.
And our mental/intellectual limitations are extended through mathematics.
To further quantum theory we need to probe deeper
into the heart of matter and that will require more advanced technology.
Our society currently does not have the technical means, nor the collective will, to reach that end and may never will.
Einstein was able to discover his final solution only through mathematics,
in particular the mathematics of differential geometry (DG). If DG
had not been developed by Einstein's time then no progress could have
been made. Again, this illustrates the idea that mathematics is a tool
to transcend our intellectual limitations.
Tools allow us feeble "monkey-brained" individuals to express great strength, speed, etc., and the tools of mathematics allow us to express great insight into higher-dimensional and "curved" spaces.
Mathematics will continue to develop and possibly extend our mental
vistas even higher.
But if mathematics will ever be enough to disclose ultimate reality
is a question for generations of the distant future -- if we can persist
that long as a species.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 06:37:17 -0500, chrisv wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/16/microsofts_axe_software_develop >>>ers/
Scary time to be a young software developer. How do they compete
with a computer?
The correct term is "code monkey" and not "developer."
Code monkeys are described as such because that is what they are.
They have no true insight into the programming process and hence
they can be replaced easily by AI lookups.
However REAL PROGRAMMING can never be replaced.
As an example of REAL PROGRAMMING consider the case of fingerprint identification. In the past, human fingerprints were stored on paper
cards and then manually, and laboriously, searched.
Digitization and computer searching would be vastly more expedient
but how could this be done?
Even if AI had existed back then it would have been useless. There
were no prior solutions to "look up." The problem must be solved "de
novo."
Thus, it's time to bring in the REAL PROGRAMMERS. They will create
the necessary new solutions.
Audio fingerprinting is another example and there are many others.
AI is only a grandiose "look up" engine. It can easily replace human
"looker uppers," like code monkeys, but it cannot replace creativity
which is the province of the REAL PROGRAMMER.
Tyrone wrote:
chrisv wrote:
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the >>company network?
Not all of the machines are on the company network.
chrisv wrote:
I've caught wind of my company's plans to disallow USB sticks on our
PC's.
I'm not sure what to do. I use them almost daily.
For what? USB sticks are a security nightmare. Why aren't you using the >company network?
It's certainly humbling to consider that our evolved wetware, honed for navigating the macroscopic savanna, might be fundamentally ill-equipped
to grasp the true nature of reality at its most fundamental level.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:55:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote :
However, if our rationality is just an epiphenomenon, how can we be
confident in our perception of any external truths?
How does the justification for that question follow from the
assumption?
Yikes! The classic self-referential paradox indeed!
On 19 May 2025 18:26:54 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <m91bfeF2llU4@mid.individual.net>:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:15:07 -0400, Joel wrote:
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern
Linux browser, I have no troubles with this.
Can you access Amazon Music with your browser?
Funny you should say that, I'm listening on music.amazon.com right now.
$ google-chrome --version Google Chrome 136.0.7103.113
I use a Linux desktop as my "daily driver", and there's only one reason
that I "need" to bring up the Windows 11 Pro for Workstations virtual machine: reading a particular book on Kindle, which can't be read with
the Kindle web site.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Free hint, dumbass, that's not discriminating against Linux browsers,
it's because your Linux browser is too primitive. Using a modern
Linux browser, I have no troubles with this.
Can you access Amazon Music with your browser?
Pretty sure I have done that, but the level of access granted with the
basic Prime subscription is sub-par, rather than paying extra for full access, I subscribed to TIDAL, which has losslessly-compressed streams,
more worth paying for than Amazon and Spotify.