• Be Minimal Or Be Square

    From Lester Thorpe@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 10:26:41 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc

    Check out the following article and consider how it may apply
    to the "modern" GNU/Linux distro, i.e. systemd, GNOME, etc.

    https://spectrum.ieee.org/lean-software-development

    Note: to avoid being besieged by all the javashit popups just
    load the URL into links -g:

    links -g https://spectrum.ieee.org/lean-software-development &


    In my learned opinion, the do-it-all-for-the-user approach to
    programming is a big part of the problem, and that's one big
    reason (but most certainly not the only big reason) why I prefer
    GNU/Linux. I can easily build and configure my system to be
    highly minimalistic.

    But as systemd, GNOME, etc. are revealing, the DIAFTU approach
    is making much headway within GNU/Linux and this is not good
    at all.



    --
    Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Lester Thorpe on Mon May 12 09:57:06 2025
    On 2025-05-11, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> wrote:
    Check out the following article and consider how it may apply
    to the "modern" GNU/Linux distro, i.e. systemd, GNOME, etc.

    https://spectrum.ieee.org/lean-software-development

    Note: to avoid being besieged by all the javashit popups just
    load the URL into links -g:

    links -g https://spectrum.ieee.org/lean-software-development &


    In my learned opinion, the do-it-all-for-the-user approach to
    programming is a big part of the problem, and that's one big
    reason (but most certainly not the only big reason) why I prefer
    GNU/Linux. I can easily build and configure my system to be
    highly minimalistic.

    But as systemd, GNOME, etc. are revealing, the DIAFTU approach
    is making much headway within GNU/Linux and this is not good
    at all.


    At least for know, we still have for the most part the option to choose
    small binaries, simply programs which don't have so many layers of
    bloat.

    As long as this remains a viable option for Linux users, I'm good.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 20:23:05 2025
    Le 11-05-2025, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
    Check out the following article and consider how it may apply
    to the "modern" GNU/Linux distro, i.e. systemd, GNOME, etc.

    https://spectrum.ieee.org/lean-software-development

    It's surprising, but this is interesting. I'm pretty sure you didn't
    understood it.

    Note: to avoid being besieged by all the javashit popups just
    load the URL into links -g:

    links -g https://spectrum.ieee.org/lean-software-development &

    I had no popup reading it. How did you configure your browser? In fact,
    it was a rhetorical question: as everything you do you, do it in a bad
    way wondering why everything isn't fine.

    In my learned opinion,

    That's a good pun.

    the do-it-all-for-the-user approach to
    programming is a big part of the problem, and that's one big
    reason (but most certainly not the only big reason) why I prefer
    GNU/Linux. I can easily build and configure my system to be
    highly minimalistic.

    Yes, you proved it already: it's so minimal it does nothing.

    But as systemd, GNOME, etc. are revealing, the DIAFTU approach
    is making much headway within GNU/Linux and this is not good
    at all.

    Of course, you didn't understood the link you provided. You could have
    spoken of KDE instead. I don't know about KDE actually, but last time I checked, if I wanted to use a KDE program, I had to download all KDE dependencies, for unknown reason. That was more in the spirit of the
    article. But for gnome and systemd, no I don't need that much
    dependencies. You misunderstood the difference between bloated and
    complete.

    For systemd, it's not bloated, it just does a lot of things. Agreed,
    some of the things done by systemd shouldn't be done by an init system.
    But, the alternative:
    - Don't provide any way to have some great things done by systemd. They
    just avoid them.
    - As systemd launches everything, it's in the best place do follow the
    launched processes.

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